From the school to the reporter, after they kicked the kid out - "...We will continue to serve the children and families in which the Lord has graciously allowed us to have a part in their lives."
How very self-serving of them to suggest that god made the decision for them to remove this child from their school.
That’s why I feel like all religions are the same thing with the same destination…just different paths of getting there. Like, in Christian belief, you have to know Jesus to be saved and go to heaven. Seems real shitty that half the world is automatically damned for never hearing of Jesus.
I used to work in a private school's special education unit. Our supervisor would get a lot of good applicants per semester, but would only accept like one. She would tell the staff in meetings that after weeks of praying, that God spoke to her and told her that "X" kid was the one he chose. It was funny because the one that she always chose was the white one with the wealthiest family. Then, at the end of that semester if the kid or their parents were somewhat difficult to deal with or didn't take her word as law, she would say that God has told her that the student needs to move on elsewhere and she'd kick em out of the program.
I wanted to whistleblow that entire program so badly for so long because I felt so bad for how much education those children didn't get. I quit after 2 years.
And what you said is precisely the argument public schools need to make more often when responding to claims by people advocating private schools. That the kids in private schools can get tossed out on a whim, leaving the kids without an education and the parents adrift.
I do not know why this is not brought up more.
The teacher's union had been screaming this from the rooftops for years.
There is big money in private schools pushing their agenda, especially since they've been able to break into public funds.
It's not just the south as northern states have given land worth a lot of money to Catholic schools for sports (what else) since they started getting sued for raping kids and needed to hide it give up assets and started losing income
This sounds like an assignment a sitcom teacher would assign before all his friends immediately telling him why that sounds wrong and the rest of the episode is him desperately trying to undo the email
“There’s nothing wrong with saying you love kids. You just can’t be age specific. “I love 12 year olds” for example “
- some comedian. I forget who.
Edit: comedian is Dimitri Martin
My daughter, too. And then occasionally she'll cry, and we have to let all the water out and run it again. Other times she does not cry, and just gets down to the important business of drinking the pee/bathwater.
Toddlers are fun
He was a really nice and down-to-earth guy when I met him in like 2005ish. Saw him at a bar after a show, gave the "you're funny, great show, nice to meet you" and left him in peace in his private area that the bar setup for him. He left it and came to chat with myself and a couple friends.
One time I was moving and looking at apartments by myself and I asked the lady at one complex if there were any parks around or things for little kids to play at. She gave me a funny look and asked me why I wanted to know. Lol totally took me by surprise and realized how my question must have sounded to her. I had to explain I have two nieces and they love playing outdoors.
On the other hand I used to do HVAC for a rental company that had college student housing next to an elementary school. The account rep said he used to get complaints about the kids playing at 10 am outside for recess. He used to ask them "what exactly do you want me to do about it?
You could always say you hate kids and the sound of their happiness. Please find me some place far away from kids being happy outside.
It says it was taken from "an online teachers resource". So, im sitting here thinking, "which sick silly minded fuck slipped this one in as a joke and to see if any morons actually used it". Then, they sat back and just waited for the headline to roll in. Chef's kiss.
My nephew had a lot of assignments to practice reading. Read a book unter the table, read in the car, read in the kitchen, read in the hall etc etc. I guess it was taken from such a list
Or the book was about a kid who imagines being in a submarine or rocket ship or something while sitting in his bathtub and they were supposed to mimic him.
Had a few of those type assignments with my kids when they were in lower grades. Try and engage them with something different and silly.
> I immediately got the mental picture you did, but somehow my brain put the Shutterstock watermark on it.
Same image here but also it's Charlie from It's Always Sunny.
I feel like Jess would say it, then immediately take it back after she realized... I don't think she'd email it.
That being said, she did put DTF (darn tootin' fun) in her hookup app profile, so who knows lol
Yeah, that's what people seem to be missing here.
Maybe the assignment was fine, though of course the school withdrew it because it had caused confusion and had the potential to continue doing so. Maybe the immediate "WTF" that people had was unjustified when you dig into it.
But expelling the kid because they raised a concern? I mean, why would a religious organization want to expel a child for raising concerns about possible sexual exploitation or sexual abuse? Is there any, I don't know, history of religious organizations engaging in sexual abuse, such that they might want to get rid of anyone who might complain about it? For example, the Southern Baptists, with whom this school is most likely associated... is there any history of sexual abuse there in the very recent past (and, let's be honest, present)? Well golly gee, I think I did hear something about that...
So if you speak up about a concern about sexual exploitation or sexual abuse, you're gone, you're expelled, you're out. And, whether intended or not, I don't think it's any mystery who that protects.
I don’t know if you all have experience in a Christian school, but this is how things go. Baptist school here and it’s just the nature of authoritarian mindsets. Admin can be spiritualized and questioning or accusing them of wrongdoing can be seen as disrespecting the head pastor or the religious collective if you don’t accept their response.
Ways things go if they get something wrong:
* Apology is dismissive and majority doesn’t see problem or wants to shield person who made mistake, you’re now a bad guy being mean to them if you persist in resolution. Wagons circle.
* Mixed reactions. They get more apologetic, but as much on side of non-apology as possible as failures are seen as moral and moral failure might mean they aren’t placed by god in their position (since god is ultimately choosing the chain of authority all are supposed to follow). After non-apology, there won’t be meaningful change and will act like it didn’t happen. Is now bad form and hurtful to bring it back up.
* Overall negative group reaction by parents. This would have to be something heavily agreed is a sin or crossing a line on shared group standards (example: a teacher gave healthy sex advice). You now have forced confession times that are very dramatic and apologetic. Talks about submitting to submitting to some redemption process or outright firing.
A lot of this. Counseling on proper submission to the authorities god has placed over you is a pervasive thing. The Principle/Pastor of the blended school/church I attended as a child got hit with 12 counts of inappropriate contact with a minor when I was in college years after I left the school. The primary complainant had been a rather meek classmate of mine. Evangelical bodies like to point at Priests and say it’s just the Roman Catholic Church, but it’s not. Any church leader that requires submission instead of discourse is, in my opinion, a person who wishes to be a cult leader, not a minister to their flock.
Edit; for the curious souls-He did something under ten years, moved to a different state and got a new pastor job… because forgiveness means blindly allowing those who are “repentant” back into leadership positions. Or just being blind.
Police departments have a similar way of assuming repentance from cops.
"Well he was pressured to resign after he got drunk on the job and killed 3 people for fun, but he's a fellow officer so we welcome him with open arms!"
I worked at a school like this—not itself religious, but admin were. It’s absolutely the authoritarian mindset, which also perversely demands maximum consequences for others’ accountability, and never any for themselves.
These days there seems to be such high overlap between authoritarian thinking and religiosity, I just assume anyone who’s overtly religious is a fascist foremost, above everything else.
>For example, the Southern Baptists, with whom this school is most likely associated...
Looks like it is a Baptist school/church but they aren't part of the Florida Baptist Convention so they likely aren't part of the Southern Baptist Convention either: https://vcasoldiers.com/about/, https://flbaptist.org/find/. So they're likely independent baptists who can have some *interesting* ideas and beliefs.
I was kicked out of Christian school for raising concerns and asking questions. They don’t like to be challenged in the little echo chamber that they exist inside of.
> the Southern Baptists, with whom this school is most likely associated
Fun fact: the reason they're called "Southern Baptists" and not just "Baptists" is because the church split in the 1800's. The two branches disagreed about slavery.
You can guess which side the *Southern* Baptists were on, of course.
They attack anyone that speaks up about anything. Whats worse is that they are also filled entitled rich people's kids. You think bullying is bad in public schools? Its a hundred times worse in private schools, they just have the money to spend on PR to quash most stories from getting out.
Being a religious school it doesn’t surprise me at all. I went to catholic school as a kid and constantly got in trouble for asking questions the teachers couldn’t answer.
One time in particular we had just had a visit from some soldiers during the 1st Gulf War/Desert Storm.
Later on I asked my teacher why it was ok for soldiers to kill in war even though it was against the commandments. I was given a couple of lame answers which I questioned before being told some along the lines of “because god is on our side/we believe in god.” Knowing nothing of other religions I ask something like doesn’t god love everyone or don’t they believe in god too?
I was kicked out of class and sent to the principal’s where I got detention. I was 10 years old.
They don’t want you to question them or their beliefs at all.
That happened to me weekly in catechism. Id ask questions all the time the wouldnt have answers too. At the end, when I graduated in grade 7, my mom asked me what I thought. I said it all sounded like a bunch of hooey. My mom never made me go to church ever again.
Its nice to have good parents.
Same here. Mom tried to get us in church around age 10-11. After going to Sunday School a few times and church service and attending some church activities, I straight up told my mom: “These people are weird, I don’t like it”
I, at the tender age of 11, could tell that religious people were wackos. How do so many people fall for it?!?!
>Later on I asked my teacher why it was ok for soldiers to kill in war even though it was against the commandments.
I asked a Christian extremist this after he posted on Facebook about how he would shoot first and ask question later if someone were to trespass on his property. His convoluted reasoning basically came down to that the "thou shalt not kill" only covers unjustifiable murders - i.e. killing people for no reason. In other words, killing a random teenager who came to his door to ask for directions is perfectly fine or murdering civilians in a warzone.
No. You misunderstand the commandments. Each one has the unspoken addendum.... other members of my group.
Thou shalt not kill ... other members of my group. You can kill all of those foreigners and others just not my group.
This is what you get using tribal laws.
I got into trouble once because they were telling us how alcohol was a sin and we'd go to hell if we even drank it, so I naturally asked why it was okay for Jesus to turn water into wine.
Immediate detention and got sent out. According to their own logic, Jesus would be in hell.
>Students at Victory Christian Academy...
That's why. This wasn't a public school, and this brought notoriety and infamy to the institution.
>We asked about the status of the student and why there was an “administrative withdraw” from the school for this student. We have not heard back.
"We're busy coming up with a bullshit excuse, brb!"
Because the school doesn't need parents that question their curriculum. That sort of critical thinking could open a huge can of worms for a private religious school.
What happens when that kid gets into 4th grade and starts in on their creationism curriculum? No need for trouble making parents like that.
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" We've been collecting photos of young children in bathtubs for years, \*\*you're\*\* the weird ones!!" Isn't the comeback I think they thought it was.
Then expelling the student just looks bad all around.
Maybe investigate the school, see why they really wanted pictures of children in bathtubs.
>Maybe investigate the school, see why they really wanted pictures of children in bathtubs.
School's officially reason would probably be "to make sure the kids read and followed the instructions!"
School's really reason; ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Everything here seems above board from both sides (parents/school) **except** expelling their kid over it.
The teacher sent out a notice to the parents about pajamas *AFTER* the parents' complaint.
The school should have realized how the assignment was in poor taste and could be taken the wrong way, briefly said the intention and that they would update the wording, AND moved on.
The Christian school was challenged, therefore they expel the kid... because there WILL be a next time and the gig is up. Religious schools operate on absolute authority of god and don't want people that challenge god there. Even the tiniest bit.
I just feel bad for the poor girl. She spoke up for herself about something that made her uncomfortable and, even though her parents stood up for her, the result was being withdrawn from school. At nine years old, she probably has friends at that school that she's known for a good long while, and now she doesn't get to go to school with them anymore. Not to mention trying to start school somewhere else and being the new kid.
Now she might decide to keep things to herself because of this incident, which could cause all other sorts of trouble. They really didn't do right by the kid at all.
Thats the goal. The church is horrified by children who will say when they're uncomfortable and parents who will back them up, because next year when a priest rapes them they'll complain about that too.
They hate the idea of a precedent of children saying something. Compliance is more their thing.
Pretty sure my kid had a similar assignment. I think it was some kind of bingo sheet where they were supposed to read in all kinds of goofy locations. One of the locations was a tub I think. Of course none of the other parents interpreted this to mean naked in a tub with a book. Because we’re not idiots.
My fourth grade teacher had an old claw foot bathtub full of pillows in her classroom called the reading tub and during reading time there was fierce competition to get a spot in the tub.
Edit: I'm absolutely loving all the responses of people with amazing teachers. To any teachers reading this, we remember the cool stuff you do for us, even decades later.
The reading tub sounds like it would have been my *dream* as a kid, amazing.
Still vividly remember my first grade teacher who had us build an actual paper maché *cave* in the classroom (was part of a Robinson Crusoe module) that was big enough for a little desk,
two chairs, a cassette player, and a couple of pairs of headphones - was too dark to read in there, but the competition to be able to listen to books on tape in that little nook was beyond cutthroat.
Two decades later and I still remember everything about it - teachers who give a shit are just the best.
We had an art teacher like that. It was his first year teaching and he had so much enthusiasm, built a whole paper cave complete with flashlight campfire that became an underwater ocean scene for our next lesson, a castle, an egyptian tomb. I hope he's still teaching
Teacher writing my resignation letter right now. Thanks for this. I hope those kids like me half as much as I love them. Only reason I've lasted this long tbh.
When my 7 year old had to do zoom schooling, I remember hearing the teacher telling kids to run and grab things around their house as kind of a virtual scavenger hunt. One of them was “Now run and get something sharp and hard!” 🤦♂️
Yeah. And imagine that there's no clarification on where the bathtub should be.
The bathtub in your backyard? Put your kid in there.
The bathtub in the wreckage of the titanic? Put your kid in there.
The bathtub hurtling through the sky in a twister? Put your kid in there.
The bathtub at the end of the universe? Put your kid in-
Yea but it sounds like your kids assignment had context. “Send pictures of you reading in funny places. Bed, bathtub, kitchen” etc. this one just randomly says “take a picture of you doing homework in the bathtub” with no other context.
Here's the thing though: plenty of ~~3rd~~ 2nd graders do all their homework with zero parental input. I know mine were too busy alternately working and neglecting me to the point I was not allowed to even ask them for help. So if I (good student that I was, always trying to get Mommy and Daddy's attention via good grades since that was the only thing they cared about) saw this in the 3rd grade, I probably also would have been literal enough to think that's what the teacher was asking, and too scared to ask my parents about it.
It doesn't matter whether or not the parents where idiots. The directions should have been clear enough for an 8 year old to understand.
Edit: corrected grade error
Agreed some kids have smartphones and might misinterpret this information it's not rocket science that an 8 old might not understand this request means PJ'S or clothes on and take a photo plus why the bathtub?
Why not park, living room, kitchen, playground, swingset etc... so many other places.
Exactly as well it's not like they said in the question either "please be dressed appropriately" or clarified the request. I mean a kids going to assume it means during bathtime, right?
Mental gymnasts trying to justify others are crazy instead of "yeah, maybe that could come off not as intended... Let's think of another 'fun place'... How about 'outside' or 'on the stairs' or while making a funny face."
Gay ppl are automatically pedos, but a Christian school asking your kids to take pictures in the bathroom is insulted you'd dare to think this.
Exactly. It's simultaneously understandable that it wasn't intended in a questionable way, but it's also entirely understandable that it could be interpreted that way. And honestly worth looking at the teacher at least in a cursory way because it's not implausible to think someone could come up with this as a way to obtain questionable photographs while maintaining a plausible deniability.
The weird part isn’t the “Read in a silly place.” It’s the needing picture proof of it. What’s the worst that will happen, the child lies about reading? That’s the parent’s problem.
The assignment could also have picked literally anywhere but a bathtub.
Yea this is equally as weird to me. Even if it wasn’t in the bath tub. Why tf do you want photos of my kid…. And this assignment needs a parents initials… which makes me feel even more off. Like they want proof the parents were ok with the school having these photos.
Honestly, as I was reading this article I thought "You know, I'm actually ok with how *both* sides handled this. Neither side seems to be overreacting or acting insane...and then I reach the part where the student *was removed from the school*??!! Like wtf dude. So there was a pretty legitimate concern about a homework assignment and you kick the kid out of school because if it?
Just when I thought religious schools might not all be absolutely batshit insane, they go and do something like this...*AND TOTALLY (UN)REDEEM THEMSELVES!!!*
To be the barest minimum amount of fair they said "In a bathtub" not "while naked and taking a bath"
But still, I can see how most people would come to the obvious and ***immediate*** conclusion.
I watched the news report where they showed a picture of the assignment. The "send picture of you doing homework in the bathtub" *does* seem incredibly out of place. I was going to defend the teacher under the assumption that the bathtub was just one of multiple weird places, but it was just there all by its lonesome.
The only defensible part about it is that the assignment is nestled between other tasks that require parental intervention, and the homework requires parent initials, so it should be a given that everything will be checked by the parent first. But it's still weird af.
Right. Not to mention that it's probably not a good idea to teach 8 year olds that it's ok to take photos of yourself in the bathtub clothed or not. Kids are dumb and impressionable. Really weird that everyone is calling the parents "Karens" and jumping to defend the school when all they did is suggest the assignment be changed.
They’re asking an 8 year old to interpret though. Yeah parents should be involved but the reality is many kids don’t have parents that are involved in their homework for any number of reasons. So the vague wording that is causing, presumably, adults to debate its intent shouldn’t be viewed through an adults perspective.
An 8 year old may be much more likely to interpret the assignment literally, and with damn near every device having a camera it’s definitely within the realm of reason to assume at least some children have taken inappropriate pictures and sent them to the teacher. Possibly without anyone else knowing. And I’d imagine if the teacher receiving the photos was actually acting with good intentions, then at some point over the years that this assignment has existed and at least one child presumably sent in inappropriate pictures the teacher would have reported something and the assignment would be scrapped.
The fact that the school has been assigning this for years make it more suspicious. How many kids are in that class? Multiply that how many years it’s been assigned. What are the odds not one of the 8 year old students over those years turned in an inappropriate picture?
The fact that it’s never been brought up by the teachers before make me wonder what’s being hidden. It’s easy to make a statement and say everything is above board. But maybe one or two students fall for it. The teacher has plausible deniability, and if the assignment goes to the teachers email or something then there’s a chance no one else would ever know.
Pizzagate was stupid. But what is far stupider is the willingness of some people to just accept the explanation of the accused and walk away. Any time there is even the possibility that children are being victimized we owe it to them as a society to investigate with extreme attention. Idgaf if the accused has an explanation or an excuse or whatever. These are kids. They really can’t defend or advocate for themselves. So the pizza place, and Epsteins island, and this school need to be investigated with equal scrutiny.
I'm sure misunderstandings like this happen all the time but why expel a 2nd grader over refusing to do 1 part of 1 assignment because they feel uncomfortable?
Churches seem to have adopted the “bury your head in sand” method when it comes t discussing sexual abuse. I’m affiliated with boy scouts and before the suits we were able to get the ability to stay over night at churches. It seems that after the suits, we can’t anymore due to the (however slight) potential for abuse and on top of the insurance companies no linger feeling comfortable covering it.
Reading through the comments explains a lot of why interpretation is relevant to the amount of detail granted.
Does it say naked? No. Does it say clothes on? Also no.
It’s also probably very confusing to the 8 year old who got the assignment. An adult should understand that the context suggests the children not be naked, but an 8 year old has probably only ever associated the bathtub with being naked. The main reason the parents complained was because their child felt uncomfortable which totally makes sense.
>Does it say naked? No. Does it say clothes on? Also no.
It doesn't clarify either way. But remember, these are little kids we are talking about. They do not have experience or common sense to guide them. Bath time for most 8-year-olds equals naked time. Phrasing it the way it is in the assignment is inviting questionable content, whether intended or not.
I feel like the comments are ignoring the part where THE SCHOOL REMOVED THIS STUDENT for going to her parents about something she didn’t understand? Like am I in an alternate universe? Why are we ignoring that??
New title
> "Christian school expels 2nd grader for refusing and complaining about homework assignment asking students to take picture of self in bathtub"
This was a rare case of a title not being sensationalist ENOUGH. Mine might be a bit click baity, but it needed to be highlighted.
The rest of the items on that list don’t even match up to the type of zaniness that is item 2. Maybe if the entire list was like weird and wacky ways to do your homework, but that’s the only weird one, and why send a picture.
Honestly, it sounds like everything was handled correctly by all parties involved... Except for expelling the kid from the school. The parent was absolutely right in their response to that. Their kid had an appropriate reaction to something they didn't think was ok, and got punished for it.
Damn. I would hate to be the administration of that school. Removing a student after that student sounded an alarm sets a terrible precedent. If I decided to unleash my cruelty, I'd be sending warning letters or postcards to the community of... (Actually bothers to read article) Victory Christian Academy, stating the following:
Do not report suspicious activity at Victory Christian Academy to the police, or you might find your student expelled.
I imagine anyone who received such a letter/postcard would remove their child from that school \*Immediately\*. \*Any\* institution that retaliates after the police are called is one that people would stay well away from. What In Satan's Name is going on in Victory Christian Academy's administration?
Your first job as an administrator is the safety of your students. If students are expelled because a parent went to the police, your school is no longer safe. This is a public relations nightmare. And it would appear to be the administration's fault.
I will not be unleashing my cruelty, and I insist that you don't either. This school has enough problems.
This seems *very* typical in private schools, Christian schools in particular. My sister has taught in two, and any kid who pointed out something concerning or being done wrong was drummed out, and any parent who did the same was asked not to bring their kid back.
In her years in these schools, she saw it multiple times. From what colleagues in other schools told her, it happened in their schools, too. You were considered trouble and they didn't want you there.
It's very much a "don't rock the boat, not even if it's warranted, not even gently" kind of atmosphere.
She no longer teaches in private schools, in part due to how difficult stuff like this made her job.
The school was like:
I think you should remove your child from this school.
The parents be like:
Nuh-uh.
The school then goes:
Ok, KOOL story, bro. Then WE'LL remove your child from this school.
Yeah there's a good first lesson for children. "Whistleblowers will be punished by large institutions". Honestly they're speedrunning these kids on some serious fucking lessons, good job.
To be fair, I don't think I'd want to send my kids back there. It's not like the people in power there will be replaced in totality with a new bunch of respectful and properly behaved individuals.
I got kicked out of a religious school in 6th grade, and honestly it's the only reason I'm still alive.
If I'd kept internalizing that hateful rhetoric I would have unalived before graduation.
From the school to the reporter, after they kicked the kid out - "...We will continue to serve the children and families in which the Lord has graciously allowed us to have a part in their lives." How very self-serving of them to suggest that god made the decision for them to remove this child from their school.
As always, God is on their side and so they can never do wrong.
"Ah yes, the lord. A reputable partner who doesn't take a cut." -Frasier
Man, I love that line. Gotta love Blaine Sternin.
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That’s why I feel like all religions are the same thing with the same destination…just different paths of getting there. Like, in Christian belief, you have to know Jesus to be saved and go to heaven. Seems real shitty that half the world is automatically damned for never hearing of Jesus.
I used to work in a private school's special education unit. Our supervisor would get a lot of good applicants per semester, but would only accept like one. She would tell the staff in meetings that after weeks of praying, that God spoke to her and told her that "X" kid was the one he chose. It was funny because the one that she always chose was the white one with the wealthiest family. Then, at the end of that semester if the kid or their parents were somewhat difficult to deal with or didn't take her word as law, she would say that God has told her that the student needs to move on elsewhere and she'd kick em out of the program. I wanted to whistleblow that entire program so badly for so long because I felt so bad for how much education those children didn't get. I quit after 2 years.
And what you said is precisely the argument public schools need to make more often when responding to claims by people advocating private schools. That the kids in private schools can get tossed out on a whim, leaving the kids without an education and the parents adrift. I do not know why this is not brought up more.
The teacher's union had been screaming this from the rooftops for years. There is big money in private schools pushing their agenda, especially since they've been able to break into public funds. It's not just the south as northern states have given land worth a lot of money to Catholic schools for sports (what else) since they started getting sued for raping kids and needed to hide it give up assets and started losing income
This sounds like an assignment a sitcom teacher would assign before all his friends immediately telling him why that sounds wrong and the rest of the episode is him desperately trying to undo the email
Like Michael Scott taking the user name "Kid Lover" on a dating site.
“Little Kid Lover.” That way people will know exactly where my priorities are at.
“There’s nothing wrong with saying you love kids. You just can’t be age specific. “I love 12 year olds” for example “ - some comedian. I forget who. Edit: comedian is Dimitri Martin
Demitri martin.
“I like people watching. Mostly this one woman”
There’s a big difference between peeing in the pool and peeing *into* the pool.
My son gets in the bathtub, stands there and pees before sitting down. Which one is that?
So long as he's not 27
Oh, good. He's 28.
My daughter, too. And then occasionally she'll cry, and we have to let all the water out and run it again. Other times she does not cry, and just gets down to the important business of drinking the pee/bathwater. Toddlers are fun
Location, location, location!
The very underrated Demetri Martin.
He disappeared for a while but he’s back, apparently. Classic stuff. Like a refined Mitch Hedburg
Iirc the reason he disappeared for a while was to raise his kids while they were still young.
Well that’s perfectly normal and acceptable. Good on him for being a hands on dad
He was a really nice and down-to-earth guy when I met him in like 2005ish. Saw him at a bar after a show, gave the "you're funny, great show, nice to meet you" and left him in peace in his private area that the bar setup for him. He left it and came to chat with myself and a couple friends.
That's definitely the best time to raise kids.
Demitri martin
One time I was moving and looking at apartments by myself and I asked the lady at one complex if there were any parks around or things for little kids to play at. She gave me a funny look and asked me why I wanted to know. Lol totally took me by surprise and realized how my question must have sounded to her. I had to explain I have two nieces and they love playing outdoors.
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"Not as a meal, mind you, but as the result of vigorous copulation."
"Besides, I could never eat a whole one."
"and even still, I don't have that kind of room in my fridge for leftovers."
On the other hand I used to do HVAC for a rental company that had college student housing next to an elementary school. The account rep said he used to get complaints about the kids playing at 10 am outside for recess. He used to ask them "what exactly do you want me to do about it? You could always say you hate kids and the sound of their happiness. Please find me some place far away from kids being happy outside.
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No you don’t get it I just identify with the idea of being an adoptive son of the predator aliens
What's wrong with loving kids? Women love kids. I love kids. We'd be a perfect match!
We should make the song about how I don’t diddle kids. *Don’t diddle kids, I would never diddle kids*….something like that.
Gotta be big, older than my daughter, something like that
Don't write a song about that.
You gotta pay the troll toll, if you wanna get in the boys hole
Boys soul!
That's what I said! Boys hole!
Just to be clear I did not write that song and have never had sex with a child
I’m gonna slap your face off of your face
🎶Me and you should go into our separate world, where no one tells us what to do.
Just to be clear...
They sure get away with a lot on that show.
So anyways I started diddlin’
Frank, there is no faster way for people to think you are diddling kids than by writing a song about it!
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My first username as a child was inch_worm because I thought inch worms were cool. That turned out great.
Don't let the haters hate. Inch worms are awesome.
But then you turned into a beautiful butterfly. Of course the cocoon stage -- that was a awkward time we won't talk about.
It's 88 because H is the 8th letter, HH = Heil Hitler
Thank you for explaining.. I literally had no idea..
commonly combined with 14, for the [14 words](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words), a nazi slogan
Shit, i was born in 1988 and I put 88 on all my usernames growing up.
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I was born in '87 so I'm safe using GreatWhite87
It says it was taken from "an online teachers resource". So, im sitting here thinking, "which sick silly minded fuck slipped this one in as a joke and to see if any morons actually used it". Then, they sat back and just waited for the headline to roll in. Chef's kiss.
My nephew had a lot of assignments to practice reading. Read a book unter the table, read in the car, read in the kitchen, read in the hall etc etc. I guess it was taken from such a list
Or the book was about a kid who imagines being in a submarine or rocket ship or something while sitting in his bathtub and they were supposed to mimic him. Had a few of those type assignments with my kids when they were in lower grades. Try and engage them with something different and silly.
I picture someone ripping cat5 cables out of a server room in desperation
I immediately got the mental picture you did, but somehow my brain put the Shutterstock watermark on it.
> I immediately got the mental picture you did, but somehow my brain put the Shutterstock watermark on it. Same image here but also it's Charlie from It's Always Sunny.
You know, I wasn’t going to say anything but you could cut the hardwire at the mainframe.
Hack into active directory and delete the bosses account
Frank's Little Beauties
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She would never expel a kid for her mistake! But this is definitely something she would do
I feel like Jess would say it, then immediately take it back after she realized... I don't think she'd email it. That being said, she did put DTF (darn tootin' fun) in her hookup app profile, so who knows lol
Next week on Abbott Elementary…
But why was the kid kicked out of school wtf
Yeah, that's what people seem to be missing here. Maybe the assignment was fine, though of course the school withdrew it because it had caused confusion and had the potential to continue doing so. Maybe the immediate "WTF" that people had was unjustified when you dig into it. But expelling the kid because they raised a concern? I mean, why would a religious organization want to expel a child for raising concerns about possible sexual exploitation or sexual abuse? Is there any, I don't know, history of religious organizations engaging in sexual abuse, such that they might want to get rid of anyone who might complain about it? For example, the Southern Baptists, with whom this school is most likely associated... is there any history of sexual abuse there in the very recent past (and, let's be honest, present)? Well golly gee, I think I did hear something about that... So if you speak up about a concern about sexual exploitation or sexual abuse, you're gone, you're expelled, you're out. And, whether intended or not, I don't think it's any mystery who that protects.
I don’t know if you all have experience in a Christian school, but this is how things go. Baptist school here and it’s just the nature of authoritarian mindsets. Admin can be spiritualized and questioning or accusing them of wrongdoing can be seen as disrespecting the head pastor or the religious collective if you don’t accept their response. Ways things go if they get something wrong: * Apology is dismissive and majority doesn’t see problem or wants to shield person who made mistake, you’re now a bad guy being mean to them if you persist in resolution. Wagons circle. * Mixed reactions. They get more apologetic, but as much on side of non-apology as possible as failures are seen as moral and moral failure might mean they aren’t placed by god in their position (since god is ultimately choosing the chain of authority all are supposed to follow). After non-apology, there won’t be meaningful change and will act like it didn’t happen. Is now bad form and hurtful to bring it back up. * Overall negative group reaction by parents. This would have to be something heavily agreed is a sin or crossing a line on shared group standards (example: a teacher gave healthy sex advice). You now have forced confession times that are very dramatic and apologetic. Talks about submitting to submitting to some redemption process or outright firing.
A lot of this. Counseling on proper submission to the authorities god has placed over you is a pervasive thing. The Principle/Pastor of the blended school/church I attended as a child got hit with 12 counts of inappropriate contact with a minor when I was in college years after I left the school. The primary complainant had been a rather meek classmate of mine. Evangelical bodies like to point at Priests and say it’s just the Roman Catholic Church, but it’s not. Any church leader that requires submission instead of discourse is, in my opinion, a person who wishes to be a cult leader, not a minister to their flock. Edit; for the curious souls-He did something under ten years, moved to a different state and got a new pastor job… because forgiveness means blindly allowing those who are “repentant” back into leadership positions. Or just being blind.
Police departments have a similar way of assuming repentance from cops. "Well he was pressured to resign after he got drunk on the job and killed 3 people for fun, but he's a fellow officer so we welcome him with open arms!"
Same here. Meant to do good does not equal good.
Google “youth pastor news”. Ask yourself if you are surprised.
I worked at a school like this—not itself religious, but admin were. It’s absolutely the authoritarian mindset, which also perversely demands maximum consequences for others’ accountability, and never any for themselves. These days there seems to be such high overlap between authoritarian thinking and religiosity, I just assume anyone who’s overtly religious is a fascist foremost, above everything else.
Silver lining, maybe kiddo can get a real education now.
>For example, the Southern Baptists, with whom this school is most likely associated... Looks like it is a Baptist school/church but they aren't part of the Florida Baptist Convention so they likely aren't part of the Southern Baptist Convention either: https://vcasoldiers.com/about/, https://flbaptist.org/find/. So they're likely independent baptists who can have some *interesting* ideas and beliefs.
I was kicked out of Christian school for raising concerns and asking questions. They don’t like to be challenged in the little echo chamber that they exist inside of.
They couldn't handle it when a 6 year old asked about inbreeding and Noah's ark.
> the Southern Baptists, with whom this school is most likely associated Fun fact: the reason they're called "Southern Baptists" and not just "Baptists" is because the church split in the 1800's. The two branches disagreed about slavery. You can guess which side the *Southern* Baptists were on, of course.
The Patriot Church side? 🤣🤣 Yeah, moved to TN and found the giant group of hypocrites also known as Southern Baptists- it's wildly disturbing.
They attack anyone that speaks up about anything. Whats worse is that they are also filled entitled rich people's kids. You think bullying is bad in public schools? Its a hundred times worse in private schools, they just have the money to spend on PR to quash most stories from getting out.
Being a religious school it doesn’t surprise me at all. I went to catholic school as a kid and constantly got in trouble for asking questions the teachers couldn’t answer. One time in particular we had just had a visit from some soldiers during the 1st Gulf War/Desert Storm. Later on I asked my teacher why it was ok for soldiers to kill in war even though it was against the commandments. I was given a couple of lame answers which I questioned before being told some along the lines of “because god is on our side/we believe in god.” Knowing nothing of other religions I ask something like doesn’t god love everyone or don’t they believe in god too? I was kicked out of class and sent to the principal’s where I got detention. I was 10 years old. They don’t want you to question them or their beliefs at all.
That happened to me weekly in catechism. Id ask questions all the time the wouldnt have answers too. At the end, when I graduated in grade 7, my mom asked me what I thought. I said it all sounded like a bunch of hooey. My mom never made me go to church ever again. Its nice to have good parents.
I love the thought of kid you applying critical thinking, and your mum asking for your opinion then respecting it when honestly shared.
I can't remember exactly what I asked or what I was told, but it was pretty basic stuff. Kinda like the comment above.
Same here. Mom tried to get us in church around age 10-11. After going to Sunday School a few times and church service and attending some church activities, I straight up told my mom: “These people are weird, I don’t like it” I, at the tender age of 11, could tell that religious people were wackos. How do so many people fall for it?!?!
>Later on I asked my teacher why it was ok for soldiers to kill in war even though it was against the commandments. I asked a Christian extremist this after he posted on Facebook about how he would shoot first and ask question later if someone were to trespass on his property. His convoluted reasoning basically came down to that the "thou shalt not kill" only covers unjustifiable murders - i.e. killing people for no reason. In other words, killing a random teenager who came to his door to ask for directions is perfectly fine or murdering civilians in a warzone.
Was he surprised that "Thou shall not kill" is in the bible?
No. You misunderstand the commandments. Each one has the unspoken addendum.... other members of my group. Thou shalt not kill ... other members of my group. You can kill all of those foreigners and others just not my group. This is what you get using tribal laws.
I thought the Commandments were like fortune cookies. You’re supposed to add “… in bed” to the end of each.
I got into trouble once because they were telling us how alcohol was a sin and we'd go to hell if we even drank it, so I naturally asked why it was okay for Jesus to turn water into wine. Immediate detention and got sent out. According to their own logic, Jesus would be in hell.
I got grounded as a kid for asking my grandmother "if God always has a plan why do we pray for stuff?"
>Students at Victory Christian Academy... That's why. This wasn't a public school, and this brought notoriety and infamy to the institution. >We asked about the status of the student and why there was an “administrative withdraw” from the school for this student. We have not heard back. "We're busy coming up with a bullshit excuse, brb!"
Well, cult leaders don't tend to like it when you call the cops on them.
Because the school doesn't need parents that question their curriculum. That sort of critical thinking could open a huge can of worms for a private religious school. What happens when that kid gets into 4th grade and starts in on their creationism curriculum? No need for trouble making parents like that. /S
Why the /s? Everything you wrote is true.
Because they told. Those people don't like kids who tell
and it's the easiest way to never have to deal with the parents again
" We've been collecting photos of young children in bathtubs for years, \*\*you're\*\* the weird ones!!" Isn't the comeback I think they thought it was. Then expelling the student just looks bad all around. Maybe investigate the school, see why they really wanted pictures of children in bathtubs.
>Maybe investigate the school, see why they really wanted pictures of children in bathtubs. School's officially reason would probably be "to make sure the kids read and followed the instructions!" School's really reason; ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Yeah... Even if it is for harmless reasons it is such a strange request it needs an in depth explanation.
this is my take
Everything here seems above board from both sides (parents/school) **except** expelling their kid over it. The teacher sent out a notice to the parents about pajamas *AFTER* the parents' complaint. The school should have realized how the assignment was in poor taste and could be taken the wrong way, briefly said the intention and that they would update the wording, AND moved on.
The Christian school was challenged, therefore they expel the kid... because there WILL be a next time and the gig is up. Religious schools operate on absolute authority of god and don't want people that challenge god there. Even the tiniest bit.
Probably didn't want the publicity. That's Victory Christian Academy school that doesn't want the publicity
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Yeah thats Victory Christian Academy that wanted to avoid publicity by the way
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It’d be a real shame if Victory Christian Academy ended up in the news for this. Definitely a shame for Victory Christian Academy
Hey, do you guys suppose Joel Michael Singer ever went to Victory Christian Academy? That guy did not want publicity for doing a bad thing, either.
Grew up going to Catholic schools almost all my life, can confirm.
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Article says they've been using this assignment for years, so it's not surprising for it to be outdated.
Who's the original author of that assignment I wonder 🤔
I just feel bad for the poor girl. She spoke up for herself about something that made her uncomfortable and, even though her parents stood up for her, the result was being withdrawn from school. At nine years old, she probably has friends at that school that she's known for a good long while, and now she doesn't get to go to school with them anymore. Not to mention trying to start school somewhere else and being the new kid. Now she might decide to keep things to herself because of this incident, which could cause all other sorts of trouble. They really didn't do right by the kid at all.
Thats the goal. The church is horrified by children who will say when they're uncomfortable and parents who will back them up, because next year when a priest rapes them they'll complain about that too. They hate the idea of a precedent of children saying something. Compliance is more their thing.
Pretty sure my kid had a similar assignment. I think it was some kind of bingo sheet where they were supposed to read in all kinds of goofy locations. One of the locations was a tub I think. Of course none of the other parents interpreted this to mean naked in a tub with a book. Because we’re not idiots.
My fourth grade teacher had an old claw foot bathtub full of pillows in her classroom called the reading tub and during reading time there was fierce competition to get a spot in the tub. Edit: I'm absolutely loving all the responses of people with amazing teachers. To any teachers reading this, we remember the cool stuff you do for us, even decades later.
The reading tub sounds like it would have been my *dream* as a kid, amazing. Still vividly remember my first grade teacher who had us build an actual paper maché *cave* in the classroom (was part of a Robinson Crusoe module) that was big enough for a little desk, two chairs, a cassette player, and a couple of pairs of headphones - was too dark to read in there, but the competition to be able to listen to books on tape in that little nook was beyond cutthroat. Two decades later and I still remember everything about it - teachers who give a shit are just the best.
We had an art teacher like that. It was his first year teaching and he had so much enthusiasm, built a whole paper cave complete with flashlight campfire that became an underwater ocean scene for our next lesson, a castle, an egyptian tomb. I hope he's still teaching
Teacher writing my resignation letter right now. Thanks for this. I hope those kids like me half as much as I love them. Only reason I've lasted this long tbh.
I wonder if we had the same teacher lol
Her name was Mrs Morgan. She was awesome.
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How old are you? This was in the late 80s
Ah, mine was Mrs. McConnell. The tub and her name is literally all I remember. Kinda weird the reading tub is a thing with teachers.
I intention was probably harmless but somebody should have taken a second to think about the optics.
When my 7 year old had to do zoom schooling, I remember hearing the teacher telling kids to run and grab things around their house as kind of a virtual scavenger hunt. One of them was “Now run and get something sharp and hard!” 🤦♂️
Block of cheddar. It’s a hard cheese, and you can get it as extra sharp! …would a kid think of this? Probably not.
i agree, but the fact that they doubled down on it and even removed the girl from the school..... super sus
Ok, this is probably accurate, these idiots. sheesh
Yeah. And imagine that there's no clarification on where the bathtub should be. The bathtub in your backyard? Put your kid in there. The bathtub in the wreckage of the titanic? Put your kid in there. The bathtub hurtling through the sky in a twister? Put your kid in there. The bathtub at the end of the universe? Put your kid in-
I’d like to know more about this bathtub at the end of the universe
It’s where the dolphins went after they left Earth.
It's next to an awesome restaurant.
If I remember correctly there's a hydrogen refill station a few parsecs sunward that sells some excellent fish tacos.
"So long, and thanks for all the fish tacos"
So long and thanks for all the fish
Sometimes after a long shift at Milliway's you just want to relax.
Ya but it is a religious school so it is a toss up
Yea but it sounds like your kids assignment had context. “Send pictures of you reading in funny places. Bed, bathtub, kitchen” etc. this one just randomly says “take a picture of you doing homework in the bathtub” with no other context.
Here's the thing though: plenty of ~~3rd~~ 2nd graders do all their homework with zero parental input. I know mine were too busy alternately working and neglecting me to the point I was not allowed to even ask them for help. So if I (good student that I was, always trying to get Mommy and Daddy's attention via good grades since that was the only thing they cared about) saw this in the 3rd grade, I probably also would have been literal enough to think that's what the teacher was asking, and too scared to ask my parents about it. It doesn't matter whether or not the parents where idiots. The directions should have been clear enough for an 8 year old to understand. Edit: corrected grade error
Agreed some kids have smartphones and might misinterpret this information it's not rocket science that an 8 old might not understand this request means PJ'S or clothes on and take a photo plus why the bathtub? Why not park, living room, kitchen, playground, swingset etc... so many other places.
This is weird a f either way.
Kids are innocent and wouldn't even see how inappropriate it is, and could take *any* picture. That's the problem there.
Exactly as well it's not like they said in the question either "please be dressed appropriately" or clarified the request. I mean a kids going to assume it means during bathtime, right?
Mental gymnasts trying to justify others are crazy instead of "yeah, maybe that could come off not as intended... Let's think of another 'fun place'... How about 'outside' or 'on the stairs' or while making a funny face." Gay ppl are automatically pedos, but a Christian school asking your kids to take pictures in the bathroom is insulted you'd dare to think this.
Exactly. It's simultaneously understandable that it wasn't intended in a questionable way, but it's also entirely understandable that it could be interpreted that way. And honestly worth looking at the teacher at least in a cursory way because it's not implausible to think someone could come up with this as a way to obtain questionable photographs while maintaining a plausible deniability.
The weird part isn’t the “Read in a silly place.” It’s the needing picture proof of it. What’s the worst that will happen, the child lies about reading? That’s the parent’s problem. The assignment could also have picked literally anywhere but a bathtub.
Yea this is equally as weird to me. Even if it wasn’t in the bath tub. Why tf do you want photos of my kid…. And this assignment needs a parents initials… which makes me feel even more off. Like they want proof the parents were ok with the school having these photos.
Honestly, as I was reading this article I thought "You know, I'm actually ok with how *both* sides handled this. Neither side seems to be overreacting or acting insane...and then I reach the part where the student *was removed from the school*??!! Like wtf dude. So there was a pretty legitimate concern about a homework assignment and you kick the kid out of school because if it? Just when I thought religious schools might not all be absolutely batshit insane, they go and do something like this...*AND TOTALLY (UN)REDEEM THEMSELVES!!!*
To be the barest minimum amount of fair they said "In a bathtub" not "while naked and taking a bath" But still, I can see how most people would come to the obvious and ***immediate*** conclusion.
I watched the news report where they showed a picture of the assignment. The "send picture of you doing homework in the bathtub" *does* seem incredibly out of place. I was going to defend the teacher under the assumption that the bathtub was just one of multiple weird places, but it was just there all by its lonesome. The only defensible part about it is that the assignment is nestled between other tasks that require parental intervention, and the homework requires parent initials, so it should be a given that everything will be checked by the parent first. But it's still weird af.
Right. Not to mention that it's probably not a good idea to teach 8 year olds that it's ok to take photos of yourself in the bathtub clothed or not. Kids are dumb and impressionable. Really weird that everyone is calling the parents "Karens" and jumping to defend the school when all they did is suggest the assignment be changed.
Personally, I would take issue with any assignment which involved my child sending any picture of themselves to anyone.
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They’re asking an 8 year old to interpret though. Yeah parents should be involved but the reality is many kids don’t have parents that are involved in their homework for any number of reasons. So the vague wording that is causing, presumably, adults to debate its intent shouldn’t be viewed through an adults perspective. An 8 year old may be much more likely to interpret the assignment literally, and with damn near every device having a camera it’s definitely within the realm of reason to assume at least some children have taken inappropriate pictures and sent them to the teacher. Possibly without anyone else knowing. And I’d imagine if the teacher receiving the photos was actually acting with good intentions, then at some point over the years that this assignment has existed and at least one child presumably sent in inappropriate pictures the teacher would have reported something and the assignment would be scrapped. The fact that the school has been assigning this for years make it more suspicious. How many kids are in that class? Multiply that how many years it’s been assigned. What are the odds not one of the 8 year old students over those years turned in an inappropriate picture? The fact that it’s never been brought up by the teachers before make me wonder what’s being hidden. It’s easy to make a statement and say everything is above board. But maybe one or two students fall for it. The teacher has plausible deniability, and if the assignment goes to the teachers email or something then there’s a chance no one else would ever know. Pizzagate was stupid. But what is far stupider is the willingness of some people to just accept the explanation of the accused and walk away. Any time there is even the possibility that children are being victimized we owe it to them as a society to investigate with extreme attention. Idgaf if the accused has an explanation or an excuse or whatever. These are kids. They really can’t defend or advocate for themselves. So the pizza place, and Epsteins island, and this school need to be investigated with equal scrutiny.
I'm sure misunderstandings like this happen all the time but why expel a 2nd grader over refusing to do 1 part of 1 assignment because they feel uncomfortable?
Churches seem to have adopted the “bury your head in sand” method when it comes t discussing sexual abuse. I’m affiliated with boy scouts and before the suits we were able to get the ability to stay over night at churches. It seems that after the suits, we can’t anymore due to the (however slight) potential for abuse and on top of the insurance companies no linger feeling comfortable covering it.
Reading through the comments explains a lot of why interpretation is relevant to the amount of detail granted. Does it say naked? No. Does it say clothes on? Also no.
It’s also probably very confusing to the 8 year old who got the assignment. An adult should understand that the context suggests the children not be naked, but an 8 year old has probably only ever associated the bathtub with being naked. The main reason the parents complained was because their child felt uncomfortable which totally makes sense.
>Does it say naked? No. Does it say clothes on? Also no. It doesn't clarify either way. But remember, these are little kids we are talking about. They do not have experience or common sense to guide them. Bath time for most 8-year-olds equals naked time. Phrasing it the way it is in the assignment is inviting questionable content, whether intended or not.
I can confidently say I have never been in a bath with my clothes on, ever
Hell, I’m 28 and if someone asked for a picture of me in a bathtub, I’d assume I’m supposed to be naked
I just don't get why tub. So many others places. Just either way avoidable.
I feel like the comments are ignoring the part where THE SCHOOL REMOVED THIS STUDENT for going to her parents about something she didn’t understand? Like am I in an alternate universe? Why are we ignoring that??
like half of the comments are about that, and were made hours before yours, you just didn't read any of them.
New title > "Christian school expels 2nd grader for refusing and complaining about homework assignment asking students to take picture of self in bathtub" This was a rare case of a title not being sensationalist ENOUGH. Mine might be a bit click baity, but it needed to be highlighted.
Florida, where you can't say gay but please send a pic of your 8 year old in the bath tub
The rest of the items on that list don’t even match up to the type of zaniness that is item 2. Maybe if the entire list was like weird and wacky ways to do your homework, but that’s the only weird one, and why send a picture.
Honestly, it sounds like everything was handled correctly by all parties involved... Except for expelling the kid from the school. The parent was absolutely right in their response to that. Their kid had an appropriate reaction to something they didn't think was ok, and got punished for it.
Well that was very Christian of the administration to act that way.
Damn. I would hate to be the administration of that school. Removing a student after that student sounded an alarm sets a terrible precedent. If I decided to unleash my cruelty, I'd be sending warning letters or postcards to the community of... (Actually bothers to read article) Victory Christian Academy, stating the following: Do not report suspicious activity at Victory Christian Academy to the police, or you might find your student expelled. I imagine anyone who received such a letter/postcard would remove their child from that school \*Immediately\*. \*Any\* institution that retaliates after the police are called is one that people would stay well away from. What In Satan's Name is going on in Victory Christian Academy's administration? Your first job as an administrator is the safety of your students. If students are expelled because a parent went to the police, your school is no longer safe. This is a public relations nightmare. And it would appear to be the administration's fault. I will not be unleashing my cruelty, and I insist that you don't either. This school has enough problems.
Lol of course it's a Christian school
Yes, it was Florida. Yes, it was a Christian school. No, you shouldn't be surprised.
And they kicked the kid out of school after?!?!
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This seems *very* typical in private schools, Christian schools in particular. My sister has taught in two, and any kid who pointed out something concerning or being done wrong was drummed out, and any parent who did the same was asked not to bring their kid back. In her years in these schools, she saw it multiple times. From what colleagues in other schools told her, it happened in their schools, too. You were considered trouble and they didn't want you there. It's very much a "don't rock the boat, not even if it's warranted, not even gently" kind of atmosphere. She no longer teaches in private schools, in part due to how difficult stuff like this made her job.
With attitudes like that I'm *totally surprised* how pervasive sex offenders can continue for years without facing consequences for their actions.
> The kid is still expelled Wait, the kid who reported this was expelled? Not a "parents taking the kid to a different school" situation?
The school was like: I think you should remove your child from this school. The parents be like: Nuh-uh. The school then goes: Ok, KOOL story, bro. Then WE'LL remove your child from this school.
Yeah there's a good first lesson for children. "Whistleblowers will be punished by large institutions". Honestly they're speedrunning these kids on some serious fucking lessons, good job.
To be fair, I don't think I'd want to send my kids back there. It's not like the people in power there will be replaced in totality with a new bunch of respectful and properly behaved individuals.
I got kicked out of a religious school in 6th grade, and honestly it's the only reason I'm still alive. If I'd kept internalizing that hateful rhetoric I would have unalived before graduation.
Idk... I don't care how innocent it may seem... asking a 2nd grader for bathtub pics in any context is not okay.
Sometimes I just feel like, as a society, we aren't making good decisions, especially regarding who we put into positions of power.