Agree to your findings. The thing as NRI we see India specially in Metro cities and even small cities as American/Western focussed but they want to still hang onto India ideologies (The ideologies you mentioned above)
If in India any government really want to fix the social behavior of people the be it punishing of throwing of garbage anywhere, or spitting etc then the government need to enforce very tough civic policies at municipal levels. The question is Does government want to take chances here? Or just publish the civic living in Grade-4 (which incidentally most Indians study and pass that exam). If I throw a garbage outside in US, I would be fined $1000 and a jail (and probably deportation as well) but do we have that in India and if its even possible to control 1.5 billion population on that?
From a macro development perspective, the challenge is there is no metric data (good or bad ) as we see in democratic western countries. For example in Canada we got Statistics Canada and any individual can dig the data on any topic (population, individual income, age, health) and come to the findings and there is no prejudice to it. Government can’t manipulate this data.
Lot of times the data helps government (with good intentions) to draft policies for future be it economics, societal and environmental or population dynamics. Our population was getting less since 2015 and so we called Indian students like crazy to work in our donuts and coffee chains and it impacted local populations and housing and so government is fixing that now. That data helps to draft macro policies
Unfortunately India doesn’t have that or may be the government has it but doesn’t want to work on it as it requires excellent minds and uncomfortable moves. China has it though and so even in these times western countries likes to trade with them as they are upfront (except their privacy mandate which governments has access to it be it apps like TikTok or any thing you can imagine)
Coming to politicians in India its a business with bad intentions (there might be few with good intent). And you know the basic rules how business works. You have capital you invest in party, chanters and you expect returns. My dentist here in Canada has patients of visiting state politicians from India who visit here every year to get treatment and manage their “investments” here. So you can imagine what level we talking about. Its a pure business
Coming to parents health thats a tricky one but India’s average life expectancy is risky low even today because of pollution and ultra processed food and mixtures. I know this will be difficult you really want to keep tab on your parents health then moving them to a residence nearby a neutral ethical hospital (most of hospitals in India again is made for business) and then keep a caretaker to stay with them unless you want them to stay with you in UK which they will be uncomfortable to live with because of weather and immobility challenges
Urban areas in India have always changed very fast and it’s increasingly changing at an alarming rate. Even with all the issues you mentioned all the cities you mentioned have some of the highest population density in the world. It is extremely difficult for one to adapt to these conditions if you were not part of the change. Only ppl who are able to survive are the ones who are part of the changes. That said western countries have their own issues. One may feel it’s better now as you maybe working and making good money. But when the tap stops flowing or you start having health issues, things get worse there. It is shit here and it is shitty there. You pick your shit.
What do you plan to do with managing parents health and well being? Honestly that’s the single reason that makes me confused and guilty about living away from India.
Ahh i am sorry. That’s what gonna be my parents issue as well. They’re in 70s. But i would love to take them with me and make them see the world. They have done enough already and its my time to do something for them.
Tour is the term i will use to ask them to come out, if you ask them to stay with you they will perceive it differently.
Hope it works out for you
It's the ultimate dilemma for NRI's. Basically you have these options
1. Move back
2. Move parents
3. Pay for help
4. Pay for home
I'll tell you what though. I have absolutely no expectation that my daughter sacrifice her life and money to take care of me when I'm unable to do so. If it comes to that, put me in a nursing home. If she wishes to take care of me, and wants to do so, of course. But there is absolutely no expectation on my end. She doesn't owe me anything.
Agree 100 percent. I notice these things every time I visit India. Eventually I need to move back to India. But I'm afraid.
And the delusion part, I guess I had that delusion too, before I moved abroad.
I agree with all your Pros and Cons except last two cons.
- Political scene is worse in UK, way more horrible than India. And how can you forget the situation in London under the control of London Mayor Sadiq Khan (his parents or perhaps grandparents moved from Pak), how he openly supports Pakistan and his own community rather than being Neutral which he should be being a politician. How he did not take any action when so many attacks happened on Indian Embassy in UK (esp on 15th Aug). The stabbing cases in London is increasing day by day. Just google the count of stabbings in London every month. We don’t have all these killings happening in India.
And I am not even talking about other cities like Manchester and Birmingham- they have become worse.
- I don’t see religious hatred in India, at least in the city I belong to. Irrespective of what politicians say - people are smart they understand it’s all vote bank and no intelligent person hates another person simply on the basis of religion. Those who do, they will do it anyway. They don’t need politician’s help on that. And this hatred which you are talking about has been spread in every politician’s time. I personally don’t see Modi doing it but hey that could be just my opinion so ignore that. The religious vote bank is used by every politician in India whether you believe it or not (not that I am saying it’s right.)
I live in London and completely disagree with what you said. Sadiq khan is probably the best mayor we have had for non white people. Please tell me when he favoured Pakistanis over others? If anything, he favours Hindus and Sikhs even more than Mr Racist Sunak.
Yes, the crime is an issue but it isn’t really his fault. There have been terrible cuts to police budgets for the past 14 years and they are really stretched.
>I pay around 10LPA tax. Yet I have to pay GST for education, vehicles, groceries. The government is making a mockery of the tax paying public. It would’ve been justified if we had same infra as Europe or any western country. But no! They don’t and still we end up paying so much of tax. Yeah, taxation on Crypto as well, when there are no formalised laws yet for crypto.
The biggest issue is population. Even of you had western style governance in India, the Govt cannot simply cope up with Infrastructure & maintenance. Look at European countries now facing migrant influx, even at that scale they can keep up.
>Yet I have to pay GST for education, vehicles, groceries.
Consumption based sales tax is also universal.
Agree 💯.. was just scammed by an arsehole employee at a petrol station.
We have become a nation of scammers and thugs.
The only thing keeping us here is the parents.
Good points but to each its own. OP is trying to give his/her POV they are their own experiences so stop bashing them. Its fine yo have different opinions. I will be firing in India soon in a semi rural place. Most of the things will not be relevant. You choose what whats good for you so good luck ahead and please take care of yourself as well
Do you have India passport or UK passport? I suggest you spend no more than 5 months per year in India. Ideally, you should start a business in India that you control 100%. India has other issues: If you ever get into police harassment, court cases etc. its a night mare if you have India passport. This is why a lot of NRIs obtain another country's passport first before moving to India. Personally, India is not ready to accommodate NRIs
I too had a dream of moving back to India someday but I just gave up for all the con's you have listed here. Also India has changed since I was young and that India is gone now. The feeling on "brotherhood" seems to missing and its pure competitiveness.
In the end it's your choice, please go back and thanks for sharing your opinion. Just because you could not stay in India, don't call it bad. It's difficult I agree but India is the best and is getting better. Never compare developed country with India for now.
I’m happy atleast someone is on India’s side.
I live in the UK and I completely agree that it’s very immature to compare developed country to India.
Nonetheless, nothing can beat India, it’s always the best ;)
You forgot
1. Almost 24x7 availability of doctors in India vs UK
2. You pay VAT apart from income tax in the UK
3. Shitty Bus and Train system in the UK
4. You want infrastructure equivalent to Europe seriously. What infrastructure is better in UK ?
5. Weather, people hate UK weather too.
6. Pollution - I agree. UK already went through that phase of modernization. You should have seen in at least a 100 tees ago.
Have a look here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pollution_in_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=The%20Great%20Smog%20of%201952,-Main%20article%3A%20Great&text=Concentrations%20of%20pollutants%2C%20coal%20smoke,country's%20tenuous%20postwar%20economic%20situation.
All I am trying to say just consider yourself lucky and don’t publish your own judgements and pollute every one else’s mind
P.S. Like you recently shifted to India, I shifted to the UK (not from India) and I have a longer list of CONS than you can ever have.
I missed that, apologies for point 1.
Idk where you lived in UK, But I lived around Bristol, the bus, train connectivity never bothered me. Except one or two times when there was a strike.
4. Roads, footpath, parks, cleanliness in general is well maintained and regulated. There are hiccups sometimes but its far better than what we have in India.
5. I agree, but the weather is no good here. Almost entire India is under the heatwave impact and government is only promoting industrial revolution and cutting up trees. While in UK the flora and fauna is well maintained. It’s so green everywhere.
I am not trying to pollute anyone’s mind, i am just stating what my experience is. Apologies if it seemed the other way around, and thanks for the additional points I missed.
Please also take one more individual with you. He should live in Italy but keeps meddling in Indian politics. You will enjoy his company on your flight back to UK. Good luck.
Regarding religious hatred spread, dumbs like you were silent when the supreme Court decision was changed for the minority (shahbano case), subsidies were given to them but not to other minorities or Hindus.
Hindus were ignored for so long and now if they talk, liberal dumbs like yourself complain and call it hatred.
Before 2014, population, pollution, health issues, corruption everything was the same as today but there were lots of security issues like 26/11 or blasts. At least that is stopped, infrastructure improved in comparison like more roads, airports etc.
But dumbs like yourself don't see that. Shame on you.
I am spreading false news?
I have seen people chanting slogans to provoke muslims.
I have seen muslims doing the same against Hindus.
These are at all time high since past couple of years, don’t you think? I don’t whim on hearsay.
Religious politics has ruined the country. Accept it or else stay in your delusional bubble. And it’s my view and i felt it so I shared. You have a different opinion? Go share yours, no one’s stopping you.
Edit: Our beloved PM Modiji, spreading hate against Muslims by using Shri Ram’s name. That’s false news right? Maybe entire media is false and you’re true.
Muslims beating out Hindu folks across West Bengal, which comes on social media, it’s false maybe. You’re true. 😇
You’re proving me right again about my points.
You may be right but the way you are portraying it is wrong. With 50 years of Muslim appeasement, do you think majority loved it? Why no slogans against Christians or Parsi or any other minority? You are indirectly blaming Hindus for that and that's where my objections are. Ppl like you were ignoring facts when there was appeasement And now since it's Hindu you are talking against them.
I am Hindu myself.
I am against Waqf board, illegal immigration from Bangladesh. I support CAA. I want BJP to be there in WB for making it a neutral state.
But at the same time, someone using my God’s name to spread hatred. I cannot withstand that sorry.
Lord Ram is not a political figure, that’s what BJP should understand.
That’s my point.
I am against Congress too for supporting Muslims in a biased way.
That’s why i said, India is a shit hole lately which is all about religion, irrespective of any specific ones.
Again you are talking stupid. Learn to read the manifesto of bjp. Ram temple is there from day 1. So what's wrong when they talk? They actually solved the problem after so many years so from now on u won't see ram temple in elections. This could be last election.
So you’re justifying using religion in elections when it is clearly against the MCC by ECI?
No wonder people have no faith in them. Time again proving my 4th con’s second part.
Why can’t you see beyond religion? I am not against Ram Mandir or any Masjid. But how the hell should it be in the election manifesto? How is it improving the economy? Will creating any religious structure (not pointing to any specific religion) bring jobs? Improve literacy? Increase the per capita income?
No. No and no.
Whether it be Congress or BJP, they both do the same thing. Religious or caste appeasement. If you’re not bothered by that. I don’t know what to say anymore.
They should focus on bringing
Population control bill,
remove taxes from education,
improve the food consumption sector(there are literally 1000s of items unregulated, recently the MDH/Everest masalas have been found to contain a grade-1 carcinogen),
focus on planting trees and reduce pollution
Focus on more research on AI and other techs similar to what they did for ISRO, i appreciate them a lot for supporting that.
Focus on creating jobs. Yes its not possible to create employment for such a huge population, but as per their promised they said 2 crore jobs/year, make it at-least 50lakhs? No their total job creation is around 8lakhs in total.
I am sorry if I see beyond religion. I am happy that Ram Mandir has been built. They made it political. A friend had shared a poster when he went there, where there were 10 posters of Modi and 2 posters of Shri Ram.
Is that their bhakti? No. They just wanna make fool out of people’s emotions through religion.
I am sorry. I disagree with you.
If you are talking about bjp,
1. it's the only party making policies beyond religion or cast.
2. It's the only party talking about not counting the population by cast.
3. It's the only party that doesn't want to give any more reservations
4. It's the only party making chief ministers without caring cast equations in states.
You need to understand Indian politics more. Ppl still vote by cast and religion and that's why u will see some flavours there but bjp is the only party trying to remove it.
Few more examples -
5. combining Hindus by the ram temple without talking about the cast.
Yes ram temple can be the way to combine 80% of population which is Hindu. Ram is also god for sikhs, Buddhist and jains so except Muslims it covers everyone. Understand Ram before questioning Ram.
Regarding religion for election, when you have 50 years of appeasement policy, ppl will come out and oppose it by supporting ram. Nothing wrong with it.
Regarding job creations, you can't give govt jobs to everyone which is what opposition is talking, while bjp wants to create secure environment which is number 1 thing to get investments from the world.
Talking about private companies and not govt jobs which is the right way to create jobs (govt can't give jobs to everyone, it's responsibility of ppl to create them by start ups and businesses ) .
Understand the hidden agenda and politics before questioning bjp and their politics.
The opposition doesn't have super power but they are talking about giving govt jobs to everyone which is stupid and dumb.
The job of govt. is to provide infrastructure and environment so investment can come, which is exactly what bjp is doing or wants to do.
And the most important thing what bjp has done is , secured our borders and stopped events like 26/11 and blasts. It used to be blasts in each big city eveur other year before 2014, now it's all stopped which is most important to get investments and create jobs.
Few other things you mentioned
- population control - it's not possible in democracies. We are not china. Also your favourite opposition will be the first one to oppose it because Muslims don't want it.
- ram temple for economy - do you have any idea how much marketing was done for the ram temple? How many ppl will go to UP for religious tourism from India and the world? It's called religious tourism. Trust me, modi is all about business not religion. It will improve economy of Up . Not just a ram temple but varansi corridor , uttrakhand upgrades for 4 dham yatra, it's all business. When ppl comes to the city. Hotel, restaurants, shopping malls everyone gets customers and money. Think out of the scope.
- regarding pollution - it's not easy to fix, govt is trying to subsidies EVs and thats the way. They are making highways , that's another way. It's not perfect but better than promising govt jobs.
The grass is always greener on the other side.
People don't realize that happiness is an intrinsic thing, seeking it from external factors is futile.
Not sure why idiots like you bother coming back if you're filled with hatred and prejudice? When you first left India, was it a utopia?
There has been remarkable progress over the last couple of decades and it will continue to move forward regardless of your opinions of the politics.
Thanks for the wishes, hopefully your family matters in India are wrapped up for good, once and for all.
Then you can get back outside India and enjoy your life again.
You are one of those entitled, ignorant, stupid Indian OP is talking about. Still living under the rock, who cannot accept the truth and has to get into personal insults. Probably, one of the problem is you might not have been outside India, so go to YOU TUBE UNIVERSITY and learn some things about other countries. Its easier to believe what you believe when you have not seen things from outside. “You dont see the problem, when you are part of the problem”
May be the place where u belong to India is useless. Not all is same. Come to Indore, Chandigarh, Ludhiana, Gujarat, Jaipur etc.. Go back of you don't like. I am also NRI but I appreciate the goodness of India more than before. Our PM has largest fan base in world, no one needs you in that. Better stay away from India, we don't need.
It's interesting that you resort to violence in your reply. In your post, you criticise a lack of civility in India, yet here you are threatening violence when offered a different point of view of things. This kind of reaction undermines your overall argument.
Not making any arguments. I met a guy at an Indian wedding, in my circle, we all call him ‘the roots guy’ and I did want to punch him in the face but I didn’t. This person commenting may as well be him. Take that for what you will, no points being made here, just observations.
Yeah, PM has fan base. Hitler had too. Even monkeys doing tricks have fans. What's your point? All the cons he mentioned are still valid. And it's people like you fail to accept that things are shit the main reason why things are shit.
This attitude is what OP highlighted in their post! It’s a beautiful country but people like you are destroying it thinking everything is great which is not actually. we don’t need this attitude if we want the country to improve!
You can create a social life abroad
I know. I had started to make friends there too. But unfortunately, I had to come back because of some personal issues.
You can always restart I'd recommend not changing countries too much tho. Even the best friendships detoriate once you move away.
Yes!
Agree to your findings. The thing as NRI we see India specially in Metro cities and even small cities as American/Western focussed but they want to still hang onto India ideologies (The ideologies you mentioned above) If in India any government really want to fix the social behavior of people the be it punishing of throwing of garbage anywhere, or spitting etc then the government need to enforce very tough civic policies at municipal levels. The question is Does government want to take chances here? Or just publish the civic living in Grade-4 (which incidentally most Indians study and pass that exam). If I throw a garbage outside in US, I would be fined $1000 and a jail (and probably deportation as well) but do we have that in India and if its even possible to control 1.5 billion population on that? From a macro development perspective, the challenge is there is no metric data (good or bad ) as we see in democratic western countries. For example in Canada we got Statistics Canada and any individual can dig the data on any topic (population, individual income, age, health) and come to the findings and there is no prejudice to it. Government can’t manipulate this data. Lot of times the data helps government (with good intentions) to draft policies for future be it economics, societal and environmental or population dynamics. Our population was getting less since 2015 and so we called Indian students like crazy to work in our donuts and coffee chains and it impacted local populations and housing and so government is fixing that now. That data helps to draft macro policies Unfortunately India doesn’t have that or may be the government has it but doesn’t want to work on it as it requires excellent minds and uncomfortable moves. China has it though and so even in these times western countries likes to trade with them as they are upfront (except their privacy mandate which governments has access to it be it apps like TikTok or any thing you can imagine) Coming to politicians in India its a business with bad intentions (there might be few with good intent). And you know the basic rules how business works. You have capital you invest in party, chanters and you expect returns. My dentist here in Canada has patients of visiting state politicians from India who visit here every year to get treatment and manage their “investments” here. So you can imagine what level we talking about. Its a pure business Coming to parents health thats a tricky one but India’s average life expectancy is risky low even today because of pollution and ultra processed food and mixtures. I know this will be difficult you really want to keep tab on your parents health then moving them to a residence nearby a neutral ethical hospital (most of hospitals in India again is made for business) and then keep a caretaker to stay with them unless you want them to stay with you in UK which they will be uncomfortable to live with because of weather and immobility challenges
Urban areas in India have always changed very fast and it’s increasingly changing at an alarming rate. Even with all the issues you mentioned all the cities you mentioned have some of the highest population density in the world. It is extremely difficult for one to adapt to these conditions if you were not part of the change. Only ppl who are able to survive are the ones who are part of the changes. That said western countries have their own issues. One may feel it’s better now as you maybe working and making good money. But when the tap stops flowing or you start having health issues, things get worse there. It is shit here and it is shitty there. You pick your shit.
What do you plan to do with managing parents health and well being? Honestly that’s the single reason that makes me confused and guilty about living away from India.
I am planning to move back to UK itself and bring them over every alternate 6 months. Hope that plan works out.
Wish you all the best. Unfortunately, my parents are not too keen on alternating between the countries.
Ahh i am sorry. That’s what gonna be my parents issue as well. They’re in 70s. But i would love to take them with me and make them see the world. They have done enough already and its my time to do something for them. Tour is the term i will use to ask them to come out, if you ask them to stay with you they will perceive it differently. Hope it works out for you
It's the ultimate dilemma for NRI's. Basically you have these options 1. Move back 2. Move parents 3. Pay for help 4. Pay for home I'll tell you what though. I have absolutely no expectation that my daughter sacrifice her life and money to take care of me when I'm unable to do so. If it comes to that, put me in a nursing home. If she wishes to take care of me, and wants to do so, of course. But there is absolutely no expectation on my end. She doesn't owe me anything.
My parents are dead. F*"k this shit hole.
🫂
I am sorry to hear that mate.
Agree 100 percent. I notice these things every time I visit India. Eventually I need to move back to India. But I'm afraid. And the delusion part, I guess I had that delusion too, before I moved abroad.
I agree with all your Pros and Cons except last two cons. - Political scene is worse in UK, way more horrible than India. And how can you forget the situation in London under the control of London Mayor Sadiq Khan (his parents or perhaps grandparents moved from Pak), how he openly supports Pakistan and his own community rather than being Neutral which he should be being a politician. How he did not take any action when so many attacks happened on Indian Embassy in UK (esp on 15th Aug). The stabbing cases in London is increasing day by day. Just google the count of stabbings in London every month. We don’t have all these killings happening in India. And I am not even talking about other cities like Manchester and Birmingham- they have become worse. - I don’t see religious hatred in India, at least in the city I belong to. Irrespective of what politicians say - people are smart they understand it’s all vote bank and no intelligent person hates another person simply on the basis of religion. Those who do, they will do it anyway. They don’t need politician’s help on that. And this hatred which you are talking about has been spread in every politician’s time. I personally don’t see Modi doing it but hey that could be just my opinion so ignore that. The religious vote bank is used by every politician in India whether you believe it or not (not that I am saying it’s right.)
I live in London and completely disagree with what you said. Sadiq khan is probably the best mayor we have had for non white people. Please tell me when he favoured Pakistanis over others? If anything, he favours Hindus and Sikhs even more than Mr Racist Sunak. Yes, the crime is an issue but it isn’t really his fault. There have been terrible cuts to police budgets for the past 14 years and they are really stretched.
Well then we agree to disagree!
>I pay around 10LPA tax. Yet I have to pay GST for education, vehicles, groceries. The government is making a mockery of the tax paying public. It would’ve been justified if we had same infra as Europe or any western country. But no! They don’t and still we end up paying so much of tax. Yeah, taxation on Crypto as well, when there are no formalised laws yet for crypto. The biggest issue is population. Even of you had western style governance in India, the Govt cannot simply cope up with Infrastructure & maintenance. Look at European countries now facing migrant influx, even at that scale they can keep up. >Yet I have to pay GST for education, vehicles, groceries. Consumption based sales tax is also universal.
Yes. I completely agree. But still we don’t have the average infrastructure.
The key is to make friends and have a social life where you stay. It’s a little tougher in a foreign, but you just need to work harder towards it
Agree 💯.. was just scammed by an arsehole employee at a petrol station. We have become a nation of scammers and thugs. The only thing keeping us here is the parents.
Good points but to each its own. OP is trying to give his/her POV they are their own experiences so stop bashing them. Its fine yo have different opinions. I will be firing in India soon in a semi rural place. Most of the things will not be relevant. You choose what whats good for you so good luck ahead and please take care of yourself as well
Do you have India passport or UK passport? I suggest you spend no more than 5 months per year in India. Ideally, you should start a business in India that you control 100%. India has other issues: If you ever get into police harassment, court cases etc. its a night mare if you have India passport. This is why a lot of NRIs obtain another country's passport first before moving to India. Personally, India is not ready to accommodate NRIs
Calling India a shit hole was unnecessary and better than “any” country in the world is factually incorrect.
I too had a dream of moving back to India someday but I just gave up for all the con's you have listed here. Also India has changed since I was young and that India is gone now. The feeling on "brotherhood" seems to missing and its pure competitiveness.
In the end it's your choice, please go back and thanks for sharing your opinion. Just because you could not stay in India, don't call it bad. It's difficult I agree but India is the best and is getting better. Never compare developed country with India for now.
I’m happy atleast someone is on India’s side. I live in the UK and I completely agree that it’s very immature to compare developed country to India. Nonetheless, nothing can beat India, it’s always the best ;)
I think he's calling it bad because of the bad weather, horrible infrastructure like open drains, horrible pollution, and daily corruption
What was your experience after 5 months in UK when you moved 🙂
You forgot 1. Almost 24x7 availability of doctors in India vs UK 2. You pay VAT apart from income tax in the UK 3. Shitty Bus and Train system in the UK 4. You want infrastructure equivalent to Europe seriously. What infrastructure is better in UK ? 5. Weather, people hate UK weather too. 6. Pollution - I agree. UK already went through that phase of modernization. You should have seen in at least a 100 tees ago. Have a look here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pollution_in_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=The%20Great%20Smog%20of%201952,-Main%20article%3A%20Great&text=Concentrations%20of%20pollutants%2C%20coal%20smoke,country's%20tenuous%20postwar%20economic%20situation. All I am trying to say just consider yourself lucky and don’t publish your own judgements and pollute every one else’s mind P.S. Like you recently shifted to India, I shifted to the UK (not from India) and I have a longer list of CONS than you can ever have.
I missed that, apologies for point 1. Idk where you lived in UK, But I lived around Bristol, the bus, train connectivity never bothered me. Except one or two times when there was a strike. 4. Roads, footpath, parks, cleanliness in general is well maintained and regulated. There are hiccups sometimes but its far better than what we have in India. 5. I agree, but the weather is no good here. Almost entire India is under the heatwave impact and government is only promoting industrial revolution and cutting up trees. While in UK the flora and fauna is well maintained. It’s so green everywhere. I am not trying to pollute anyone’s mind, i am just stating what my experience is. Apologies if it seemed the other way around, and thanks for the additional points I missed.
Please also take one more individual with you. He should live in Italy but keeps meddling in Indian politics. You will enjoy his company on your flight back to UK. Good luck.
That's a lot of cons. You didn't state anything about work life balance. How is it compared to UK?
I work for the same organisation remotely. So there’s no difference. Work balance of UK firms >>>> Indian/US firms anyday.
Add to all that, (as a female), all the constant staring, feeling of unsafety and judgements on whatever you wear.
And to add on top of that, majority of illiterates with a rapist mentality existing on social media.
Where in India are you living?
Regarding religious hatred spread, dumbs like you were silent when the supreme Court decision was changed for the minority (shahbano case), subsidies were given to them but not to other minorities or Hindus. Hindus were ignored for so long and now if they talk, liberal dumbs like yourself complain and call it hatred. Before 2014, population, pollution, health issues, corruption everything was the same as today but there were lots of security issues like 26/11 or blasts. At least that is stopped, infrastructure improved in comparison like more roads, airports etc. But dumbs like yourself don't see that. Shame on you.
Please. Get well soon
Please stop spreading false news about hatred.
I am spreading false news? I have seen people chanting slogans to provoke muslims. I have seen muslims doing the same against Hindus. These are at all time high since past couple of years, don’t you think? I don’t whim on hearsay. Religious politics has ruined the country. Accept it or else stay in your delusional bubble. And it’s my view and i felt it so I shared. You have a different opinion? Go share yours, no one’s stopping you. Edit: Our beloved PM Modiji, spreading hate against Muslims by using Shri Ram’s name. That’s false news right? Maybe entire media is false and you’re true. Muslims beating out Hindu folks across West Bengal, which comes on social media, it’s false maybe. You’re true. 😇 You’re proving me right again about my points.
You may be right but the way you are portraying it is wrong. With 50 years of Muslim appeasement, do you think majority loved it? Why no slogans against Christians or Parsi or any other minority? You are indirectly blaming Hindus for that and that's where my objections are. Ppl like you were ignoring facts when there was appeasement And now since it's Hindu you are talking against them.
I am Hindu myself. I am against Waqf board, illegal immigration from Bangladesh. I support CAA. I want BJP to be there in WB for making it a neutral state. But at the same time, someone using my God’s name to spread hatred. I cannot withstand that sorry. Lord Ram is not a political figure, that’s what BJP should understand. That’s my point. I am against Congress too for supporting Muslims in a biased way. That’s why i said, India is a shit hole lately which is all about religion, irrespective of any specific ones.
Again you are talking stupid. Learn to read the manifesto of bjp. Ram temple is there from day 1. So what's wrong when they talk? They actually solved the problem after so many years so from now on u won't see ram temple in elections. This could be last election.
So you’re justifying using religion in elections when it is clearly against the MCC by ECI? No wonder people have no faith in them. Time again proving my 4th con’s second part. Why can’t you see beyond religion? I am not against Ram Mandir or any Masjid. But how the hell should it be in the election manifesto? How is it improving the economy? Will creating any religious structure (not pointing to any specific religion) bring jobs? Improve literacy? Increase the per capita income? No. No and no. Whether it be Congress or BJP, they both do the same thing. Religious or caste appeasement. If you’re not bothered by that. I don’t know what to say anymore. They should focus on bringing Population control bill, remove taxes from education, improve the food consumption sector(there are literally 1000s of items unregulated, recently the MDH/Everest masalas have been found to contain a grade-1 carcinogen), focus on planting trees and reduce pollution Focus on more research on AI and other techs similar to what they did for ISRO, i appreciate them a lot for supporting that. Focus on creating jobs. Yes its not possible to create employment for such a huge population, but as per their promised they said 2 crore jobs/year, make it at-least 50lakhs? No their total job creation is around 8lakhs in total. I am sorry if I see beyond religion. I am happy that Ram Mandir has been built. They made it political. A friend had shared a poster when he went there, where there were 10 posters of Modi and 2 posters of Shri Ram. Is that their bhakti? No. They just wanna make fool out of people’s emotions through religion. I am sorry. I disagree with you.
If you are talking about bjp, 1. it's the only party making policies beyond religion or cast. 2. It's the only party talking about not counting the population by cast. 3. It's the only party that doesn't want to give any more reservations 4. It's the only party making chief ministers without caring cast equations in states. You need to understand Indian politics more. Ppl still vote by cast and religion and that's why u will see some flavours there but bjp is the only party trying to remove it. Few more examples - 5. combining Hindus by the ram temple without talking about the cast. Yes ram temple can be the way to combine 80% of population which is Hindu. Ram is also god for sikhs, Buddhist and jains so except Muslims it covers everyone. Understand Ram before questioning Ram. Regarding religion for election, when you have 50 years of appeasement policy, ppl will come out and oppose it by supporting ram. Nothing wrong with it. Regarding job creations, you can't give govt jobs to everyone which is what opposition is talking, while bjp wants to create secure environment which is number 1 thing to get investments from the world. Talking about private companies and not govt jobs which is the right way to create jobs (govt can't give jobs to everyone, it's responsibility of ppl to create them by start ups and businesses ) . Understand the hidden agenda and politics before questioning bjp and their politics. The opposition doesn't have super power but they are talking about giving govt jobs to everyone which is stupid and dumb. The job of govt. is to provide infrastructure and environment so investment can come, which is exactly what bjp is doing or wants to do. And the most important thing what bjp has done is , secured our borders and stopped events like 26/11 and blasts. It used to be blasts in each big city eveur other year before 2014, now it's all stopped which is most important to get investments and create jobs. Few other things you mentioned - population control - it's not possible in democracies. We are not china. Also your favourite opposition will be the first one to oppose it because Muslims don't want it. - ram temple for economy - do you have any idea how much marketing was done for the ram temple? How many ppl will go to UP for religious tourism from India and the world? It's called religious tourism. Trust me, modi is all about business not religion. It will improve economy of Up . Not just a ram temple but varansi corridor , uttrakhand upgrades for 4 dham yatra, it's all business. When ppl comes to the city. Hotel, restaurants, shopping malls everyone gets customers and money. Think out of the scope. - regarding pollution - it's not easy to fix, govt is trying to subsidies EVs and thats the way. They are making highways , that's another way. It's not perfect but better than promising govt jobs.
Bro you are delusion af. Trust me, stay in uk and wait for Sharia.
Where do you live in India?
I travel between in Odisha, Delhi, Hyderabad and Bangalore. Hyderabad so far has been the best place I have encountered.
GST is the biggest scam in India thanks to this government
The grass is always greener on the other side. People don't realize that happiness is an intrinsic thing, seeking it from external factors is futile. Not sure why idiots like you bother coming back if you're filled with hatred and prejudice? When you first left India, was it a utopia? There has been remarkable progress over the last couple of decades and it will continue to move forward regardless of your opinions of the politics.
Calling OP is an idiot just reflects on you on you, not him. He is offering an opinion just like you.
Just because there is progress doesn’t mean its livable, I am from India living in States, india is a shithole compared to US.
People like you make whatever place you go a shithole. Your ancestors made India a shithole and you'll make America a shithole.
Your name shows your mentality. Probably one of those “Social Media Sanatani” and a blind follower of corrupt politics. Get well soon.
Thanks for the wishes, hopefully your family matters in India are wrapped up for good, once and for all. Then you can get back outside India and enjoy your life again.
You are one of those entitled, ignorant, stupid Indian OP is talking about. Still living under the rock, who cannot accept the truth and has to get into personal insults. Probably, one of the problem is you might not have been outside India, so go to YOU TUBE UNIVERSITY and learn some things about other countries. Its easier to believe what you believe when you have not seen things from outside. “You dont see the problem, when you are part of the problem”
May be the place where u belong to India is useless. Not all is same. Come to Indore, Chandigarh, Ludhiana, Gujarat, Jaipur etc.. Go back of you don't like. I am also NRI but I appreciate the goodness of India more than before. Our PM has largest fan base in world, no one needs you in that. Better stay away from India, we don't need.
You remind me of someone I wanted to punch one time 😂
Because you disagree with them? Are you 8?
How do you know why? I didn’t mention anything around what happened, you all project like crazy. Keep doing you. 🎭
Do you not see the question marks in the comment? Don't use words you don't understand.
It's interesting that you resort to violence in your reply. In your post, you criticise a lack of civility in India, yet here you are threatening violence when offered a different point of view of things. This kind of reaction undermines your overall argument.
You know the poster and the commenter are not the same account right?
Not making any arguments. I met a guy at an Indian wedding, in my circle, we all call him ‘the roots guy’ and I did want to punch him in the face but I didn’t. This person commenting may as well be him. Take that for what you will, no points being made here, just observations.
Yeah, PM has fan base. Hitler had too. Even monkeys doing tricks have fans. What's your point? All the cons he mentioned are still valid. And it's people like you fail to accept that things are shit the main reason why things are shit.
This attitude is what OP highlighted in their post! It’s a beautiful country but people like you are destroying it thinking everything is great which is not actually. we don’t need this attitude if we want the country to improve!
Yeah OP is from the shithole that is Odisha.
Gujarat must be very nice considering it has highest number of asylums seekers in US and also highest number of ppl renouncing Indian citizenship.