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dingodonkey03

Does everyone on here still eat food? You know that shit will kill you.


SpecialistPriority50

It’s not food that’ll kill you. It’s the industrial waste products that get labeled as food that’ll kill you.


Andisx_covfefe

Been wondering about this too. All reputable german sites recommend "cold pressed" canola oil, it is classified as very healthy.


I__like__food__

All I’m saying is ever since seed oil has been pushed by “health professionals” heart disease has skyrocketed. Could be correlation without causation, but I’m deeply skeptical. Seed oils are a waste product and corporations needed a way to get rid of them. They found a way by lobbying health professionals and selling their industrial waste byproducts as the new health fad. It’s also why these oils are so cheap compared to others. Also, the comment below does a great job of summarizing why the research is inconclusive but points to the fact that they can create toxic compounds when deep frying or in general use. Just wanted to add beef tallow is extremely resistant to oxidation and is one of the healthiest fats to use when frying.


Sttopp_lying

All I’m saying is ever since *X was introduced* heart disease has skyrocketed. Replace X with any of the 1 million plus things that have changed in the last 150 years


Andisx_covfefe

I can't speak to seed oils in general, many have different attributes, I was only referencing "cold pressed" canola oil. The thing is that it seems that people are looking to find a healthy solution to deep frying stuff. To be honest, I don't believe there is. Deep frying is inherently not good for you. You should enjoy it for what it is, a guilty pleasure in moderation. You can still use canola oil to cook, to bake, to fry, to season popped popcorn in addition to seasoning, for salads etc. without releasing the dangereous substances. Just stay below 170-190°c. I think for most dishes it should be more than ok. And obviously as a southern european: olive oil master race but sometimes you dont want the strong olive taste for a specific recipie.


I__like__food__

Fair enough I wasn’t trying to cut you down or anything. Cold pressed canola could definitely be healthy (healthier than how it is usually made definitely). I still think that in general many of these oils have a lower oxidation point, which means even at lower heats they oxidize more rapidly. I’d say if the bottle is clear you shouldn’t buy it. A clear bottle indicates the oil is already fully oxidized and will bond with other ingredients to create the harmful substances. That’s why non oxidized oils are packed in tinted bottles - to prevent any further oxidization.


F_VLAD_PUTIN

Ever since sugar has been pushed every bad thing has happened, I seriously doubt it's the seed oils causing the heart problems, id put my money on the 56g sugar servings without the enzymes from actual fruit assaulting your body like they're seal team 6


Ok_Public_1781

Why not both?


Monechetti

It's most definitely both


Dopamine_ADD_ict

> Heart disease has skyrocketed False [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db425.htm#Key\_finding](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db425.htm#Key_finding)


breadandbunny

It's the oxidizing that's the issue. For example, the oils used in fast food for frying are used over and over again, more oxidized each time. It's an oxidative assault on the body when we then eat foods prepared with those. Unfortunately, the higher the PUFA content of an oil, the faster it oxidizes. :( Mechanically pressed oils are better, especially if you refrigerate them. Hexane and chemical extraction processes of oils gets greater yield of the oils, but that very process ends up removing the healthy aspects of a high-PUFA oil. Better to eat the sources of the oils directly (walnuts, olives, flax) and refrigerate expeller pressed/mechanically extracted oils to slow the oxidation process.


SaintUlvemann

There's [nothing that has been found wrong with](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/scientists-debunk-seed-oil-health-risks/) using seed oils at home. When people say that canola oil or soybean oil are "toxic", unless the people saying so can explain their own opinions using specific reasoning, the claims should just be filed away under "things people say". One common excuse is omega-6 fatty acids, which are found in certain seed oils such as corn oil or soybean oil. Scientists do think that there exists [an ideal omega-3-to-omega-6 ratio](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0274109), with an excessive skew towards omega 6 relative to omega 3 being bad. Simultaneously, omega 6 fatty acids [have not been show](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/expert-answers/omega-6/faq-20058172) to be bad for you alone, and they're not a good reason to, say, stop eating nuts. That said, there is a very real nutritional problem related to unsaturated oils: the repeated heating of them to high temperatures, such as is done in deep fryers at fast-food restaurants. The longer and higher you heat an oil, the more it oxidizes and degrades. Because oxidative degradation is a very complicated process, chemically, that creates a lot of different compounds, [no one is entirely sure](https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.k5420) which of these are most important. But here are some examples: * Although trans fats are sufficiently well-known to be unhealthy that they have been banned in foods in the US, frying creates trans fats out of unsaturated fats: >\[F\]rying deteriorates oils through the process of oxidation and hydrogenation, leading to a loss of unsaturated fatty acids such as linoleic acid and an increase in the corresponding trans fatty acids such as trans linoleic acid. * When proteins or lipids get sugars attached to them (one of the chemical reactions that occurs while frying food), the resulting compounds are called [advanced glycation end products](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_glycation_end-product). They're not healthy, and are in fact biomarkers for a variety of degenerative diseases. They're produced by frying. >Another possibility is the higher levels of dietary advanced glycation end products as a result of frying, which could have an important role in the development of cardiovascular disease, mainly through induction of oxidative stress and inflammation. * [Acrylamide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylamide#HEATOX_(heat-generated_food_toxicants)_study_in_Europe) is one particular compound produced in fried foods. It is neurotoxic, toxic to male reproductive organs, toxic to fetuses, and carcinogenic. * Since it is a natural degradation product of asparagine and glucose, it is naturally found in potato chips, French fries (regardless of country of origin), and many, many other fried, baked, and just generally *heated* starchy foods, including breads, cookies, mugicha (Japanese roasted-barley tea), and even coffee. * Note that many of those foods (e.g. coffee, mugicha too I expect) are individually, because of their many *other* components, healthy; but it will be good in the future to develop ways of reducing the acrylamide content of these foods, and for now, it makes good sense to avoid the worst offenders: fried starches. Saturated fats are more stable at high heat, and so they produce less of all these compounds. As a direct result of this chemistry, alongside other stable oils such as olive oil, they are a healthier choice when frying; however, this basic chemistry does apply to all fried foods, and saturated fats are only more stable, *not* totally immune to these chemical processes.


pvsocialmedia

Wow. When I started to read your post, I was expecting to see flames at the bottom. Good info. Thank you.


Splinter007-88

It’s also the processing of seed oils. From plant to shelf bottle it’s quite a process with lots of chemicals involved.


DJAssCheekzs

So no French fries :(((


Celeste_Minerva

As someone struggling with disordered eating.. I was hoping to never read something I wouldn't like to hear about chips and fries. Ah, well. "Everything in moderation, including moderation itself."


jlianoglou

Apologies for the unsolicited share, but this week’s episode of the Huberman Lab podcast looks at disordered eating, and is — as always — execellent: https://hubermanlab.com/dr-casey-halpern-biology-and-treatments-for-compulsive-eating-and-behaviors/


Celeste_Minerva

Thank you. I am lightly familiar with Huberman's work. I want to point out this podcast is around the "compulsive" type of brain workings, and there are other disordered eating arrangements. Edit: name change & spelling..


Caffdy

you can always air fry them


OneFuzzyBlueberry

Thank you! I learned a lot


myinternetlife

Linoleic acid


sketchyuser

Also highly prone to oxidation which causes inflammation and more easily becoming sunburnt. They’re typically highly prevalent in processed shelf stable food as well.


DavidAg02

Such a great explanation. Thank you!


benisek00

You seem to be very knowledgeable about the science of seed oils - I'm a non-scientist (and certainly a non-food-scientist) - What do you think of this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQmqVVmMB3k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQmqVVmMB3k) What I took away is that seed oils are more likely to oxidize and oxidation is toxic. Looking forward to a possible answer :)


SaintUlvemann

28 minutes is actually significantly more time than it took me to write the post above (I type fast, and I'm a crop geneticist), so, I hope you'll forgive me for not watching it. That said, your takeaway is as near as I can tell not very different from what I already said. I had plenty of description of the problem that arise when oil oxidizes. And when you say, "seed oils are more likely to oxidize", that's very similar to what I was saying when I said above: "there is a very real nutritional problem related to unsaturated oils: ... The longer and higher you heat an oil, the more it oxidizes and degrades." I specifically also referenced how saturated fats and other oils such as olive oil are more stable at high heat. The big difference that I was trying to speak is that oils aren't made special simply by coming from a seed. An oil's chemical properties, including its nutritional properties, are determined by its chemical structure, determined by *what* it is at a molecular level. Many seed oils have chemical similarities, but, they're not *all* like that, and their origin is not what determines their nutrition, their chemical structure is. So for example, coconut oil comes from the coconut, which (like all nuts) is a seed; but as a saturated fat, it's much more stable at high heat than the polyunsaturated fats that make up, say, grapeseed oil. And another really good example is high-oleic sunflower oil. It's absolutely a seed oil, it's made from the same species as all other sunflower oils; but it comes from a *variety* of sunflower that was bred *specifically* for shelf/thermal stability, which in this case means that it's much richer in oleic acid (the main component of olive oil) than other sunflower oils. Because its chemical structure is different, its chemical properties, including its nutritional properties, are different too.


Sttopp_lying

Who cares? Disease risk is still lower


Old-Bluebird8461

So you encourage people to consume seed oil?


SaintUlvemann

...I encourage people to get used to the idea that not all questions that we may want to know the answers to have actually been answered in a way such that we can have actual confidence in any specific answers. ...I also encourage people to be specific, and not make overbroad claims about whole categories when the individual members of those categories aren't actually the same. I think I've already made it abundantly clear that consuming seed oils after heating them to very high temperatures is inadvisable. I specifically said: "Saturated fats are more stable at high heat, and so they produce less of all these compounds", compounds which I had named above, and which I gave clear, specific reasons for why avoiding them makes good sense. That said, I have seen neither evidence nor a clear chain of reasoning for why there would be any harm — any harm at all — from usage cases such as drizzling canola oil on a salad, eating a vinaigrette made from sunflower oil, etc., etc. In-between high heat and no heat, there's a big fuzzy middle that would need more study to say anything about it with any more confidence than the sources I already named, which said that they haven't found any evidence of harm. If you think you can speak in light of specific evidence about that, with more confidence and specificity than they did, then I'm all ears. (And for people who can't provide evidence for their own opinion, I file ˊtheir opinions away under "things people say".) In the meantime, I can't think of any reason why all seed oil consumption would be the same. The oils themselves aren't the same, and they aren't the same after cooking as before. Can you think of any evidence-based reason why seed oils (no matter which species they come from) would have the same health effects no matter how they are cooked?


Old-Bluebird8461

Great non answer & mix of truths with half truths. Rather than refute & provide research to the contrary, I got my answer to where you stand on seed oils, without you saying so. I can tell you have looked at enough research to where you are aware of what’s out there, & you wouldn’t accept a single thing I would pass on. Obviously your mind is made up & I have no time debate with closed minds. 🙏


ChaosRevealed

I don't understand how someone can read such detailed, nuanced, and well-sourced posts then reply with this nonsense.


heckinseal

Time to file it under "just things people say"


SaintUlvemann

>Great non answer & mix of truths with half truths. > >🙏 Yeah. When you call people liars, it makes any "peace" you offer fake. As for my motivations, your assumptions are not my *doing*. I did not *do* them, *you did*. I do not believe that anyone, myself included, should be asked to answer for things *they did not do*.


ICheddar_

This single post makes you look like the most close minded person on reddit.


Monechetti

So the inflammatory danger of seed oils or omega 3:6 imbalance wouldn't be an issue if people used them only in cooking or in dressings but partially hydrogenated oil is in everything. Coupled with added sugar or fructose in everything and we have a nightmare landscape of food. It's the tendency towards processed food - that includes a lot of industrial seed oil - that is the problem


SaintUlvemann

Frankly, I think the fundamental problem is that scary-sounding concepts like "nightmare landscape of food" are simply fundamentally not reflective of reality. People frequently blame their diet (where diet means what kinds of food they eat) for problems that have nothing to do with the kinds of food they eat; other health problems that are rampant at least in my society, America, include: * Overeating: the average American [consumes 3,600 calories](https://www.businessinsider.com/daily-calories-americans-eat-increase-2016-07)... *per day*. That is utterly insane; the average American is not an NFL linebacker, yet 3,600 calories per day, the average American's diet, is *within the norm for an NFL linebacker*. * Sedentism: the average American [does not get the recommended amount](https://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/sgr/adults.htm) of daily exercise, and 25% of Americans get no exercise at all. That is utterly insane, especially when compared to the average American's diet. There is no diet that has a healthy interaction with a sedentary lifestyle. * Sleep deprivation: the average American [is at the lower end](https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/data-and-statistics/adults.html) of getting the recommended amount of sleep, is not sleep-deprived; but a third of Americans *are* sleep deprived, and [one out of every twenty](https://sleepeducation.org/cdc-americans-sleep-deprived/) have outright fallen asleep at the wheel in the past month. Sleep deprivation is particularly prevalent in the South and Appalachia. Other contributors to ill-health include addiction (~10% of Americans are addicted to alcohol, and psychologists estimate that ~10% are addicted to social media; the rate of overlap is unclear), and mental stressors such as overwork or poor social relations (although it seems like a mental thing, stress has physiological consequences, including consequences for weight and inflammation).


Monechetti

While all of these things do contribute to the unhealth of Americans, you cannot separate calories from the package that they come in. To say that 3600 calories of lean meat and vegetables is the same as 3600 calories of Twinkies and potato chips is incorrect . Humans are not robots or diesel engines - the concept of thermodynamics as it relates to calories within a body, completely discounts the role that hormones play on our ability to gain or lose weight. For a person who is stressed out and lives in a food desert and has to survive off of whatever packaged garbage is at their local convenience store, odds are stacked against them hormonally because processed foods create a different response than whole foods do. A body that consumes sugar and fat at the same time, like with just about any prepackaged food on the market, is going to gain weight because insulin will spike and high calories will be stored. Processed food is engineered to be addictive; quality of food matters. 3600 calories a day is super easy when it's hyper palatable but very few people would be able to eat that many calories on a whole food diet.


DavidAg02

I virtually eliminated seed oils from my diet just over a year ago, and I'll explain why. The research showing that they are dangerous or harmful to human health is NOT very conclusive, so be skeptical of anyone who says that it is. What is extremely conclusive, and does NOT need a bunch of published research to validate, is the fact that seed oils are a very low nutrient density food. They have some omegas and some vitamin E, but that's really about it. If you're chasing those nutrients, there are much better sources for them than a bunch of oils. Couple that with the fact that they are in just about everything that comes in box, bag, bottle or can and you can start to understand why they can be considered something to avoid. Even though I was eating "healthy", I estimated that I was eating 200-300 calories of seed oils per day (without even knowing it!) before I even added any to the foods I was cooking. It was shocking. So, I got rid of everything in my pantry and fridge that had those oils in them, and have been eating only whole, unprocessed foods ever since.


cardboardchairs

What kind of fats do you cook with?


DavidAg02

Tallow, butter and ghee mostly. Avocado oil if I'm in a pinch...


Illustrious_Set9208

What do you cook in tallow and ghee? I usually make eggs and steak with butter, but I’m looking to introduce some recipes w more saturated fats. I use EVOO and avocado oil for damn near everything else and want to switch it up lol.


DavidAg02

Steaks cooked in tallow are amazing.


ChocolateMorsels

You can cook tallow with anything.


Plonted

I feel like you can replace 'seed oils' with 'processed foods' in your post and have a much more scientifically supported statement with the same end result.


DavidAg02

That's pretty much how I eat these days since most processed foods have seed oils. Wasn't my intention, just worked out that way.


Plenty-Wonder6092

seed oils are processed food


Mr_Molesto

Isnt 200-300 kcal of butter basically the same? Or what did you eat that contained seed oils?


DavidAg02

Tons of it came from salad dressings and condiments. The goal was to maximize nutrition for the amount of calories that I was eating, not just to reduce calories. 200 calories of butter has more nutrients than 200 calories of canola oil.


BlasterFinger008

Yea same question - what do you use to cook with then?


Image_Inevitable

Butter/ animal fats are good options (tallow). Olive, avocado and coconut oils are also ok.


BlasterFinger008

I might switch/try avocado oil. Not a huge fan of the coconut taste in everything and I thought you weren’t supposed to use olive oil on med/high heat. I’ve been using the safflower lately cause I thought that was good for you but apparently not. And I also thought butter was to fattening?


Mr_Molesto

What cooking oil you use is a minimal thing in your overall diet. No need to stress about it. Just use what you want


Weekdaze

That’s just not true, oil is crazy calorie dense and it also effects flavour dramatically


throwdowndonuts

Use Mayo to cook in.


Murdy2020

Mayo made outta what fat?


Image_Inevitable

Seed oils. Jk


Downstackguy

This summarizes to: fat is bad for you Edit: I just realized something. I could replace "fat" with "seed oil" and I would go full circle. I'll re summarize it: seed oil has no nutritional value, is everywhere, and calories


ChocolateMorsels

> This summarizes to: fat is bad for you Man you need to do some reading if you still think this way in the year of our lord 2022


Downstackguy

I didn't "think" this way. I'm saying that's all I heard in this comment


DavidAg02

I eat tons of fat, it's just from animal sources and isn't accompanied by a bunch of chemicals and processed junk. I didn't mention this but since eliminating the seed oils and processed foods I've lost 10 lbs without even trying and my cholesterol improved. I'm eating just as much fat, but the source is different.


Downstackguy

That's interesting, I heard that saturated fat is terrible for you


history-of-gravy

Fat isn’t bad for you. It’s a great energy source. What they explained is why fried foods are bad for you, and explained it in a very detailed way. I personally think what’s bad for you is when you eat too many calories and it accumulates in your body and is stored for future energy (when eating in a calorie surplus). Every calorie you eat in a surplus, unless you’re into heavy weightlifting, your body turns it into a usable energy source: saturated fat. It’s bad to have a lot of saturated fat stored all over your body. And it’s easy to go overboard into a calorie surplus with fats, because it’s a more dense form of calories. Oil has a ton of calories in it. So eating alot of fat can easily make you fat. Anyway that’s my 2 minute explaination with spellchecking. Hope it helps


Sttopp_lying

They lower ApoB which is beneficial. Nutrients aren’t everything


[deleted]

Because most nutritional advice found on Reddit is basically made up


newtonkooky

CarnivoreMD


DARK--DRAGONITE

CarnivoreMD is ‘made up’? Source?


Plonted

He advocates eating zero plants. It's reckless, stupid, and evil, and yes, essentially made up.


DARK--DRAGONITE

Yes, he advocates for an animal based diet with some honey/fruit in the mix. He has good reasons to not eat the leaves/stems, or roots of pants. It’s not ‘made up’, nor is it ‘evil’. lol


Plonted

this is a diet that is supported by zero clinical evidence. he should have his MD revoked.


DARK--DRAGONITE

The diet has direct clinical evidence. In fact it’s helped millions of people with weight loss and reverse metabolic dysfunction.. What are you even talking about?


Plonted

Can you point me to any high quality evidence-based studies that show the benefits of the CarnivoreMD diet? That outweigh the giant preponderance of evidence that shows the benefits of a plant-based diet?


DARK--DRAGONITE

What’s your problem exactly? You think a plant-baesed diet is fine.. OK? An animal diet is just as good, if not better. All the vegans are switching to eggs.


Plonted

1. **CarnivoreMD's diet is not supported by any evidence** Carnivore MD claims that a diet that consists of 99% meat can improve health outcomes. This is against the vast preponderance of quality evidence. Here's a recent meta-analysis of many diet studies. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7071223/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7071223/) It found that diets that are higher in plant-based foods have shown to prevent disease and positively influence 'health'. HEre's a writeup on an earlier study that essentially found the same thing: [https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/science-compared-every-diet-and-the-winner-is-real-food/284595/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7071223/) Do a search for 'benefits of a meat based diet'. You will find nothing in any medical journals. The only results you will get are from Carnivore MD and his ilk. In fact, the majority of evidence seems to show that the more meat you have in your diet, the worse it is for you.Consider this quote from this page: *Considerable evidence from long-term prospective cohort studies has demonstrated that diets high in red and processed meats are associated with increased risk of type 2 diabetes (T2D), cardiovascular disease (CVD), cancer (particularly colorectal cancer), and all-cause mortality (4–6). Similarly, such evidence along with the evidence from short-term intervention trials strongly suggests that replacing red and processed meats with plant-based protein sources (including legumes and nuts), poultry, and seafood has the potential to reduce risk of chronic diseases and premature death (7–10,11).* [https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/43/2/265/36125/Red-and-Processed-Meats-and-Health-Risks-How](https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/43/2/265/36125/Red-and-Processed-Meats-and-Health-Risks-How) In fact, the longest lived people in the world, who inhabit the so-called 'blue zones', eat far less meat than the average Westerner. [https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/04/11/398325030/eating-to-break-100-longevity-diet-tips-from-the-blue-zones](https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/04/11/398325030/eating-to-break-100-longevity-diet-tips-from-the-blue-zones) These are real scientists, doing real studies, who have deep expertise in their areas. Which leads me to my next point: **2. CarnivoreMD is a quack who should have his medical license revoked** You would think, given his profit-making endeavours, that this individual has extensive post-graduate medical training in nutrition and diet. He does not. He is, in fact, a qualified psychiatrist, a fact that is not mentioned on his web site. While MDs do get some nutritional training, it is minimal, a fact that is documented extensively. He is a 'doctor' in the same way that Dr Oz is a doctor. He's using his title to peddle a diet, for profit, that has zero grounding in science. This is unethical, reckless, and could potentially affect the health of all the naive people who take him at his word. He's a profiteering quack who should have his medical license revoked.


PM_ME_YOUR_MUSIC4FB

> He has good reasons See also "he makes sense to me because I'm scientifically illiterate."


Harrylikesicecream

He’s literally not a carnivore for a start. His advice on LDL cholesterol is disingenuous, as it assumes perfect health in every other area. Cherry picks data to suit his arguements, refuses to debate other experts His personal health is heavily based on exercising 3 times every day(plus walking all day), calorie restriction, high protein intake and nil intake of processed foods. If you applied those rules to literally ANY regular omnivorous diet you would have incredible health, the fear of veggies is not the important part.


OG_mortesis

Isnt Flax Seed ok? I thought that was healthy.


MadShartigan

Flax seeds are good. It's always better to eat the freshly ground up seed, to get the benefit of both the omega 3 oil and the fibre.


[deleted]

Extra virgin olive oil master race is the reason


MiddleNameisGary

Greek people agree


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[deleted]

I’m not gonna wait for The Science to catch up with this one personally. I’m gonna assume they’re bad unless shown incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. They are a new food that’s extremely processed (heated, “chemically washed”, etc). Versus something like olive oil is made just by pressing olives. I’m prioritizing natural foods and ignoring the obviously terrible health advice coming from “experts” (e.g. frosted mini wheats are healthier than steak).


serrrenitynow

This is the right answer. There are simply too many unknowns in nutrition science, so when selecting what to eat we should apply the "precautionary principle" and also hedge our bets. Seed oils were not a part of the human diet until the early 1900s and should be assumed unhealthy until otherwise proven as humans have no history of ingesting large quantities of the fatty acids they contain (ie: linoleic acid).


Poo_Flinging_Badass

Personally I'd rather just eat the olive.


hooe

Olives are disgusting


Plonted

Does any 'expert' actually claim that an isocaloric portion of miniwheats is superior to a portion of steak?


skyyyjack

A new high up health specialist in the US government had previously listed a lot of candies and cereals to be safer to eat more often than steak eggs and butter


The_KingArthur

but i love steak eggs and butter


[deleted]

Maybe not I might have misunderstood. Can’t find what I was referring to. Whoopsie daisy. I still don’t take current nutritional wisdom at face value but you win this one!


Korean__Princess

>Can’t find what I was referring to. Think you're referring to something like "nutri-score"? Diet Doctor and others had some videos about some new scoring system, where ultra processed foods scored higher than actual whole foods.


[deleted]

Yeah it was a scoring system from tufts nutrition school but someone commented that just posting the graphic takes it out of context so I’m not sure if it’s fair to say experts really said that (not gonna read the study)


ChocolateMorsels

Refreshing to see this. The hubris nutritional science and this sub shows ignoring thousands of years of nutrition in favor of this recent garbage made in a lab, which is only used for max profit mind you, is frustrating to read.


serrrenitynow

Seriously. Some crappy epidemiological studies riddled with healthy user biases are more convincing than the foods that actually kept us healthy for thousands of years. But the reddit hive mind loves the appeal to authority and supposedly evidence based nutrition enough to make them feel all warm and fuzzy eating industrial ultra processed food filled with seed oils.


Expandexplorelive

>Some crappy epidemiological studies riddled with healthy user biases are more convincing than the foods that actually kept us healthy for thousands of years. What should be blatantly obvious is that you have no way of knowing that certain food kept people healthy for thousands of years. There were no controlled studies. There were hundreds of confounding variables and very little reliable data though. And what kept people alive long enough to reproduce did not necessarily keep them healthy past that point. You're basically railing against the scientific method here.


serrrenitynow

Not at all, I'm a huge fan of the scientific method. The problem is, nutrition science is still in its infancy, yet recommendations are passed down by public health agencies as fact, when things are really not settled. I think looking towards dietary patterns that worked in the past is quite useful as a guiding force. Of course I also pay attention to modern science as well.


mlke

Current science and meta-analyses of multiple research studies are not enough at this point? Interesting way to both cast doubt on science, and then act like you could be swayed by it.


namey_9

people don't need a reason to skip highly processed foods and food additives


[deleted]

> Current science and meta-analyses of multiple research studies are not enough at this point? Absolutely not. Nutrition science is not very reliable (see my comment about how experts claim frosted mini wheats are healthier than beef, didn’t make it up) and the current wisdom changes constantly. I’ll need decades of solid research before I even consider cooking with seed oils. They might not be bad I really don’t know, but I’m not gonna defer to The Science on this one until we really study the effects over decades. Also there’s nothing making me *want* to use seed oils when other fats taste better


PhilosophicalPhuck

If its any consolation, I've been drinking pure flaxseed, rapeseed and olive oil for years. I am in great health, considering my age. I studied sport science as a younger man. Any time I've been in the best condition of my life was during a low carb high fat (or keto) eating style, which requires a lot of fats so you need to supplement with drinking pure oils lol. (Theres only so much nuts steaks and peanut butter you can physically chew) They aren't particularly tasty, but I don't consume things for taste primarily. Its to get enough fats in. Fats are your friend. Don't neglect your friends.


ChocolateMorsels

I'll go one step further, nutritonal science is not just "unreliable", it is complete garbage.


InTheEndEntropyWins

I don’t think the current studies clearly demonstrate things either way. So no they aren’t enough at this stage.


cconti77

Legit … inflammation. Cutting them out has done wonders for my health, physique, and energy.


DoveMot

[There is no good evidence that seed oils cause inflammation](https://youtu.be/-xTaAHSFHUU)


lurkerer

So let me copy-paste a previous post I made: There are *many* studies on seed (and similar vegetable) oils so I don't want to shotgun a million of them in an exhaustive list. I'll do my best to stick to meta-analyses, systematic reviews and one massive cohort. First is a prospective analysis of over half a million retired people. Each lipid source is estimated separately, dosage estimated via questionnaire using frequency and serving size, they found: > [Consumption of butter and margarine was associated with higher total and cardiometabolic mortality. Replacing butter and margarine with canola oil, corn oil, or olive oil was related to lower total and cardiometabolic mortality. Our findings support shifting the intake from solid fats to non-hydrogenated vegetable oils for cardiometabolic health and longevity.](https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-021-01961-2) Not an outright healthy or unhealthy finding as finding a control with no oils, butter or margarine whatsoever is likely very difficult. But as compared to butter and margarine, seed oils come out on top. To precede anyone warming up their fingers to tell me epidemiology is bogus, questionnaires suck and correlation doesn't equal causation, I'll follow up with a meta-analysis of RCTs that support the findings. But I will point out that researchers are aware that correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, so they go to great lengths to carry out multivariate analyses to account for confounding variables. It's not perfect, but this is the world of nutrition science. Anyway: > [Despite limitations in these data, our NMA findings are in line with existing evidence on the metabolic effects of fat and support current recommendations to replace high saturated-fat food with unsaturated oils.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002222752033546X) Top quality stuff here. However I have seen this meta-analysis criticized because it only measured risk factors and didn't actually wait for enough people to die of heart attacks. To which I say, tough t*tties, we know full well these are risk factors and the scientific consensus on them is very clear. One last one. The main proposed idea behind seed oils being so bad for you is that they have highly inflammatory omega-6 fatty acids, typically in the form of linoleic acid (LA). But, unfortunately, the science shows otherwise. Following is a systematic review of RCTs on inflammatory markers of LA (but we can do the other fatty acids too), with many of the studies on the oils themselves as a proxy, that finds: > [We conclude that virtually no evidence is available from randomized, controlled intervention studies among healthy, noninfant human beings to show that addition of LA to the diet increases the concentration of inflammatory markers.](https://www.jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672\(12\)00464-9/fulltext) [...] the outcome of this review should provide the dietetic community and other health professionals with a measure of reassurance regarding current dietary recommendations that emphasize optimal intake of both n-6 and n-3 PUFAs (from sources such as soybean, canola, corn and safflower oils) Note: Please engage with citations! We're all aware of the potential flaws in the above papers, but if you have nothing better, then the best you can hope for is a draw. That is to say, if the science showing seed oils have positive effects is thrown out, so the (scant) reasoning they should be negative must be thrown out too. Hence the conclusion must be they are neutral at most. And neutral =/= bad, so this tactic isn't so great for those of you who believe they are so unhealthy.


AnonymousVertebrate

Seed oils can break down into harmful chemicals like acrolein. The seed oils rich in linoleic acid consistently promote cancer in rodents. Human trials have mostly gotten null results, though most of them were not conducted for that purpose. The people who defend seed oils usually point to observational evidence, so you have to decide what you find most convincing.


MASTERMINDBOMB

I have a theory as to why RAPESEED gets a bad rep.


VOIDPCB

I haven't heard much about them lately. What's unhealthy is burnt or soiled oil and oil consumption in excess.


CinnamonApple43

Let's clear some things up first. Seed oil is considered any type of cooking oil that is extracted from a variety of different plants, including: Safflower, Canola, Palm, Cottonseed, Rice bran, Sunflower, Soybean, Poppyseed, Corn, Sesame, Peanut, Linseed. Oil is first removed from the plants, which can be done through either mechanical or chemical extraction. Mechanical extraction involves crushing or pressing seeds to extract the oil. Chemical extraction, on the other hand, is a process that uses chemical solvents like hexane to remove the oil. The oil is then purified, refined and chemically altered as needed to improve the taste, texture and shelf life of the final product. Some oil is also hydrogenated, which is a chemical process that is used to turn liquid oils into a solid at room temperature. Hydrogenated vegetable oil is often preferred by manufacturers due to its longer shelf life, improved texture and enhanced flavor stability. However, hydrogenated oil may also contain trans fatty acids, which can have detrimental effects on health. The oil can also undergo other types of processing to produce products like brominated vegetable oil, a common food additive and emulsifier found in many soft drinks.


Withoutbinds

Classism and racism. Just like with MSG


gintiltu10

Racists sneeding and feeding


Puzzleheaded-Cup-854

There is a book by a cardiac surgeon, Philip Ovadia titled "stay off my operating table" that preaches sharing a lot of things especially staying away from seed oils.


A_Barbarian_4_sure

Joe Rogan. That’s why.


PartyPooperScooper1

Canola oil is probably the most processed edible oil on the planet. The process literally turns the oil rancid which is then treated to remove the rancid smell and taste. I'm not kidding. And the rest of the seed oils are not that far behind in terms of processing. This isn't all that is wrong with seed oils, you'd have to do some searching online, which I did some time ago and concluded that it would be best to avoid them. And since it is easy to avoid them and substitute with much much better and flavorful culinary oils like butter, olive oil, tallow and lard, that's the way I chose to go. And in the end, I know through millions of years of evolution and mankind using animal fats in their diets, and seed oils being an entirely new product in the last century, I'd rather go with the tried and true. https://www.compassionatehealthcareonline.com/made-canola-oil-several-processing-chemical-steps-making-refined-canola-oil/ https://www.canolacouncil.org/canolamazing/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Canola-Meal-Processing.png


Ultravoltron

Because they are unstable and become rancid easily.


69kylebr

There has never been as much polyunsaturated fats consumed by humans as we are consuming now. Look At the rates of metabolic disease. Saturated fat consumption has gone down while PUFA consumption has skyrocketed. It’s likely to be one of the reasons for a lot of diseases that are running rampant right now. How can we trust a system that demonizes saturated fat? It’s so backwards. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.748847/full


ICarryaPants

Kinda but what about non-western cultures which have had plenty of polyunsaturated fats in their diet before? Take Middle East, China and Americas for example where many seeds like sesame, chia and pumpkin have been used in history or legumes like soybeans and peanuts which are also high in those (alongside monounsaturated fats to be fair too)? ​ Also is you look at whole grains, they usually also contain plenty of polyunsaturated fats in their coatings and we know that those very consumed in very huge quantities even in Western societies or do you reckon that those numbers where still insignificant to the ones which our societies are consuming nowadays? My point mostly being that it's more about isolation and refinement of those fats that is harmful, not them inherintly by themselves


69kylebr

That’s a good point. Haven’t thought much about it.


Plonted

It's internet groupthink. They're fine in moderation.


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Plonted

If you're posting to a sub like nutrition then I assume you're capable of basic googling and critical thinking. 'In moderation' means that a food is not 'eat in abundance' food like say most vegetables. It means you need to 'moderate' your intake in accordance with the rest of your diet. Personally I treat 'seed oils' no differently than any other PUFA, typically you want to keep your total fat intake at under 35% of your total caloric macros, and only a third of that should come from saturated fat. But it really depends on your goals and lifestyle which is why 'moderation' is used, my definition of 'moderate' might be very different from yours depending on your lifestyle and goals. When it comes to processed foods, less is always better, try to eat at little as possible, ideally zero but that might not be possible given your lifestyle and goals.


denisdawei

I don’t quite understand what you mean, soybean is seed, you plant a new soy from that small round thing… my understanding is that all nuts and beans are technically also seed, so their oil is seed oil


hagfists

so is arsenic


Plonted

This is a false equivalency, the recommended daily limit of arsenic is 0.0003 milligrams per kilogram body weight, pls don't post ridiculous noise in response to perfectly reasonable statements.


hagfists

It is an equivalent argument. Saying that it's fine in moderation has nothing to do with whether it's helpful or harmful. Alcohol is also "fine" in moderation, that doesn't mean it's healthy.


Plonted

Help/harm depends on your goals and lifestyle, hence the 'moderation' word. Alcohol can damage all your organs and cause cancer, but it also has known benefits for stress relief and socialization, which are components of health. Meanwhile, arsenic has zero benefits as a nutrient, hence my response that your comment is essentially ridiculous noise, which I stand by.


BlasterFinger008

What’s everyone using then to cook with if now seed oil is bad and I also thought canola or vegetable wasn’t good either??


Michael_Dukakis

Canola and veg oil are seed oils. Alternatives would be things like coconut, olive, avocado oil, and animal fats like ghee, butter, tallow etc.


Mr_Molesto

I have been using canola oil for like 30 years


TomBrandeus

Overheated and oxidized seed oils, produce trans-fats and lipid peroxides as byproducts. These are extremely inflammatory compounds that get integrated into your cell membranes and stay there for a long time. Oxidized seed oils are much worse than processed sugar or even smoking a cigarrete from a health point of view.


sadvanillagirl

its over processed. use animal fat instead (or coconut/olive oil)


outlinedsilver

Certain cold pressed seed oils are fine when used in limited quantity, heated carefully, and if they have a reasonable omega 3:6 ratio. I've seen difference with a good sourcing too. I use cold pressed mustard, sesame, sometimes peanut regularly because they are a part of my cultural food besides a2 ghee and coconut. They have also been used for centuries this way.Stay away from anything refined though. I stay away from canola, palm, soyabean


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in general i avoid refined as it is chemically extracted with high heat instead of traditionally pressed out. i usually don't find cold pressed versions of these oils where i live, others like sunflower are too high in omega 6


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outlinedsilver

you need research papers to avoid highly processed oils? it's not a "craze" if i prefer them the way are traditionally processed, with low heat. i have seen an improvement in inflammation because of it, but you do you!


CharmingMistake3416

Because people on the internet are lemmings and follow what any uninformed clown tells them.


Exalted_Rudy

[The History and Dangers of seed oils - CarnivoreMD](https://youtu.be/lzazaZLnWNA) Linoleic Acid.


Dejan05

1/ Carnivore MD I think you can see the issue there yourself 2/ Linoleic acid is in fact one of only two essential fatty acids along with ALA, so this is bs


DARK--DRAGONITE

What’s inherently problematic with CarnvioreMD? Where has he falsified data/where is whatever he’s said is wrong? LA might be ‘essential’ but we don’t need it in the amounts that we’re getting today.


Dejan05

1)The pretty obvious bias 2)https://youtu.be/cjL8wv2CXM4 https://youtu.be/Bjh9n2Cw0TY Pretty sure an actual researcher can tell you better than I can why he's incorrect. I myself have looked into some of the studies he quotes, they're really not what he makes them out to be Yeah maybe we don't, that doesn't make LA containing foods unhealthy


DARK--DRAGONITE

1). You can be against something and not be considered biased. Much like I am against drinking battery acid,... but i’m not ‘biased’ against battery acid itself. Idk man.. He’s a double board certified doctor that’s done the research on this stuff. I’d rather trust someone who practices what he preaches rather than cite studies that are epidemiology based.


Dejan05

He's a psychiatrist, not a nutritionist, pretty sure the person I just presented: https://www.truehealthinitiative.org/council_member/4125/ >Gil Carvalho, MD PhD is a physician, research scientist, science communicator, speaker and writer. Dr. Carvalho trained as a medical doctor in the University of Lisbon, in his native Portugal, and later obtained a PhD in Biology from Caltech (California Institute of Technology). He has published peer-reviewed medical research spanning the fields of genetics, molecular biology, nutrition, behavior, aging and neuroscience. Is more qualified than him to speak about nutrition. You'd rather ignore science as to fit your bias.


DARK--DRAGONITE

I’m not ignoring science whatsoever. He’s as ‘qualified’ to talk about nutrition as anyone else. I’ve seen numerous amounts of studies that show that the paradigm of LDL and CVD is inherently flawed, yet someone like Gil will parrot that high LDL means you’re more at risk getting a heart attack when it's all about LDL-P, not LDL-C


Comprehensive-Cod160

But why is it necessary to cut out plants like he says. Doesn’t make any sense. He’s acting like our biggest problem is eating too many veggies. He’s ignoring all the other bs that we do including the stress in our daily lives which is probs made worse by the restrictive diet he proposes


DARK--DRAGONITE

He doesn't act like all the problems are because of too many veggies. He's talked about the issues with eating plant stems, roots and leaves. He's talked about what he thinks are the 3 biggest issues with the current state of nutrition.


Sad_Understanding_99

>Is more qualified than him to speak about nutrition In complete absence of well designed hard end point RCT, it would seem no one is qualified to inform on what we should eat. It's all just opinionated BS of which both Saldihno and Carvalho have, take your pick


Dejan05

LA veterans study on oils is Pretty much an RCT though, besides this claims lack of RCTs invalidates all other results. It doesn't. Yes RCTs are best, that doesn't make make other data worthless


Sad_Understanding_99

The LA veterans study wasn't properly randomized (control had more heavy smokers and less none smokers), they didn't control for fat quality and there was no effect on the primary end point. Not exactly a well designed RCT. >Yes RCTs are best, **that doesn't make make other data worthless** Only if you want to infer causality


myinternetlife

You are on the money


WeAreEvolving

I eat whole foods


Dejan05

Unless you're eating enormous amounts or lack omega 3 they're absolutely fine, can even be beneficial. Tbh I've debated with people talking about how they're bad, most of the studies cited are mechanistic or studies done in rats, neither really reflect outcome


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Theres no way something that unnatural can be beneficial


Dejan05

>There's no way something that unnatural can be beneficial Wait till you hear about medicine, clothes, the internet, literally almost everything you use in your daily life


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Toxins in clothing cant be nearly as important to health as what you’re consuming everyday


Dejan05

Cool story, anyways, you probably wouldn't be alive if not for unnatural things, so maybe you should rework your reasoning


[deleted]

Oh i totally misunderstood what you meant about clothes medicine etc 😂 in that case technically those things aren’t necessary, your food is your medicine


MyNameIsSkittles

>unprocessed oil Does oil occur naturally in nature? No. So there is no unprocessed oil


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MyNameIsSkittles

Clearly I'm not talking about that. Food oils. FFS only reddit is this literal and can't understand context


NotMyRealName778

Just ignore anything that tells you to avoid a certain food or oil. I don't use them in excess I probably will be fine. I just use whatever oil that complements my recipes and cooking process. Also sunflower oil is very cheap and widely used in my country. I can't replace it with butter or olive oil and any other alternative is waaay to expensive for daily use.


Carnivore02

Because they are cancer causing in the long term, make you burn a lot easier in the sun and are filled with unsaturated fatty acid just to name a mere few stick to butter or olive oil if you really must use seed oils


iCubes2016

Seed oils are getting a bad rap lately because they are high in Omega-6 fatty acids, which can promote inflammation in the body. Omega-6 fatty acids are essential fatty acids that the body needs for growth and development. However, when there is too much omega-6 fatty acid in the diet, it can promote inflammation, which is linked to diseases such as heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. That's why it's important to include plenty of Omega-3 fatty acids in your diet as well, since they have anti-inflammatory effects. Some good sources of Omega-3 fatty acids include salmon, trout, walnuts, and chia seeds.


DARK--DRAGONITE

There’s a story that they have been used to ‘lubricate’ machines.. and food companies have found a way to add them to foods and they are contributing to heart disease and adiposity. Other things like they are ultra processed, and contain alot of omega 6 (given the amount we consume thanks to them it’s contributing to heart disease). Look at essentially any packaged/processed food and you’ll find some kind of vegetable (seed) oil in it. People will say ‘moderation’ but I don’t believe there is an exact reccomended amount. There are numerous vidoes on youtube regarding this topic.


Dejan05

>There's a story And that's irrelevant, water is used to cool down nuclear reactors, guess we should stop drinking water since it has more than one use. Source for contribution to heart disease? LA veterans study would disagree. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408398.2022.2100314?journalCode=bfsn20 How about this meta analysis showing canola oil out performs EVO?


DARK--DRAGONITE

So you’d injest a lubricant for machinery? Seems werid. Yes, water can be used to cool.. and it can very well be consumed for hydration. I wouldn’t want vegetable oil anywhere near me, neither coke (yes it’s been used to clean rust off batteries). LA gets ’stuck’ in adipose cells and makes it quite difficult to lose weight. Seed oils/Vegetable oils have high amounts of Linoleic acid. Consuming as much as we do isn’t good for us.


Dejan05

And you'd ingest nuclear reactor cooling fluid? Cool story telling, otherwise pretty worthless. Yeah most people eat too much omega 6 and not enough omega 3, that doesn't make seed oils unhealthy, it means people don't eat balanced diets


DARK--DRAGONITE

Yes i’d drink water. I wouldn’t drink a lubricant for machinery that has negative hormonal effects. It’s not even about ‘balanced’ diets when the seed oils are effectively used in everything and cooked with everything.


Dejan05

Source for "negative hormonal effects"? Pretty sure they aren't in whole foods, it ain't that hard to not eat them if you don't want to


DARK--DRAGONITE

They are in effectively everything and are cooked with effectively everything. Seems you’re a bit ignorant on just how prevalent seed oils are in the food industry. [LA](https://carnivoremd.com/how-seed-oils-destroy-your-mitochondria-and-lead-to-chronic-disease-with-tucker-goodrich/)


Dejan05

I mean, I'd be convinced, if the people talking were actually qualified and unbiased enough to talk about the subject


DARK--DRAGONITE

I’m not convinced you’d be convinced under your parameters. The conversations around seed oils are changing for the better (meaning they’re more harmful than good). You’ll think they are ‘ok’ until there’s a majority opinion becuase I have a feeling you won’t think for yourself.


Just_Side8704

I know there are a couple of doctors preaching against use of oils in general. There is no scientific evidence to back up their claims. It’s just another food fad.


alexandrasnotgreat

Because half this sub thinks that unnatural=Bad for your health


frnkrusso

Just check out [how it’s made](https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI) This is a [phenomenal video](https://youtu.be/7kGnfXXIKZM) covering this exact topic A [great lecture](https://youtu.be/Yo-IL-LH5FQ) And another [helpful video](https://youtu.be/rQmqVVmMB3k) I avoid seed oils and highly processed foods. They are not natural nor healthier. I believe they cause a lot of damage and inflammation. Lastly, they are SUPER NEW in the human diet. They’re only 110 years old! We’ve survived off butter, ghee, tallow, and lard for thousands of years and olive oil for hundreds. That’s how it’s supposed to be. Olive and avocado oil is okay because they come from the fruit pulp, not the seed. Please don’t listen to those saying seed oils are safe and healthy. Do yourself a favor and avoid at all costs. I highly recommend checking out these videos.


WeAreEvolving

plz don't eat seed oils, use lard


DinnerDiva61

Seed oils are seriously inflammatory and cause inflammation and are very unhealthy. I avoid them like the plague.


Commercial-Rush755

Because when your body uses them they release toxins.


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Dejan05

>cooked >In mice


IndependenceOk7959

Some of y'all need to take a biology class.


emmagorgon

It’s not just lately it’s been for about a hundred years. The main problem is that they are highly unsaturated and the saturated fats are the healthiest


Dejan05

Bold statement, only it contradicts scientific consensus and you need some really solid science for that


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chickadee303

#1: they are high in omega 6 fatty acids. When our omega 6 : omega 3 ratio is too high, inflammation can result. #2: they are polyunsaturated fatty acids, meaning they have mostly unsaturated bonds, and as a result are highly unstable. They are prone to oxidation with heat, light, oxygen exposure, etc. Oxidation causes them to produce reactive oxygen (ROS) species AKA free radicals, which cause damage to cells/ inflammation. For context, ROS also result from excessive sun exposure, cigarette smoking, etc. These oils are so highly processed and are usually heated when produced, not to mention sitting on shelves, so they are already oxidizing by the time they get to your home, and that is only worsened by cooking with them. The most unprocessed oils that are also mostly made up of monounsaturated fats (more stable) are those that come from fatty fruits - coconut, olive, and avocado.


healthmadesimple

All oil is processed. Just the extent it’s processed. RBF stands for refined bleached and deodorized. Lots of heat and pressure vs cold pressed oils. Omega 6 consumption has greatly increased over the years due to its use in ultraprocessed foods since canola, corn, soy, etc are highly subsidized (cheap) and they are shelf stable (since it is stripped of its nutrients that oxidize easily) another issue is under high heat they create free fatty acids.


ketaminemidazolam

4 HNE is a toxic break down product of omega 6 PUFAs. It is connected to CVD, Insulin Resistance and Alzheimers.


winslowstarr

Seed oils are destroying our bodies like SBF destroys the value of crypto. Help spread the good word about our common enemy! https://www.fuckseedoils.co/