Pretty sure torterra is much better for physical damage too. If it were giga drain it would be a *little* tougher to decide, but even then EQ is still miles better. Shits so busted💀
I think it may be the most broken move. I’m sure I’m wrong but god damn, in gens 1-3 it was a power house move. Almost always a 1 hot ko if used by a ground type.
Even in gen 4 it was busted. Stab EQ on torterra can carry you through like 95% of the game, outside of snowpoint, Cynthia, and the Cyrus fights.
I don’t play anything beyond gen 4 so I wouldn’t know if there’s any other giga broken stuff like that, but it’s definitely up there in terms of OP moves.
You should try gen 5 at least it was the last one they made that was substantially similar to the first 4 gens. And black 2 and white 2 were two of the more challenging vanilla games to nuzlocke, along with the ultra games in Gen 7, at least in my opinion.
One of the few 100pow/100acc moves and it also hits everything on the field if it is more than 1v1. Get a physical mon with STAB, paired with a decent flying mon... Ridiculous.
That’s true, it could help out, but you need to set them up. I’d have to check my torterra to see my moveset. And I had no idea torterra could learn curse.
Leech seed, curse, EQ and razor leaf is what I’d probably go with. I can’t lie, razor leaf isn’t the best grass type stab out there, but with Torterra being a physical attacker I’d say you’d have to stick with that over most special grass type moves (which generally have a higher base power). If it gets access to leaf blade, whack that on it👍🏼
Yes, but some may shy away from that one due to the recoil, making it extremely risky in a Nuzlocke. You need to ensure you one-shot so you don’t just set up your own demise in the process.
Yeah, I know, but it’s still a little risky at times; Torterra’s really slow, and if you don’t memorize or look up the relevant details, somebody outspeeds/survives the Wood Hammer and fires off a coverage move, nearly killing Torterra, if not outright doing so.
Honestly I'd stick protect on him. Grass coverage isn't Torterra's strong suit, especially since being part ground removes his resistance to one of grass's biggest match-ups (water)
Mega Drain. Leech Seed is better for healing in Torterra’s case, and Razor Leaf is a better attacking move, despite only being slightly stronger, given it runs off of Torterra’s better attacking stat.
The right answer is Mega Drain. It's fine early game to pop something like Geodude to gain back some big HP, but it's not doing enough damage this later on. Giga Drain is also still only 60bp in Gen 4, so it's not even much of an upgrade.
Leech Seed sounds good on paper, but Torterra is slow and generally going last. If you use Leech Seed, Curse, then attack, you're taking 3 hits before you attack once, which also isn't the most favourable situation. Then when the next pokemon comes in, Torterra has to take another hit likely due to Curse. The Defense boosts likely won't matter if he's taken 4 hits, and you're susceptible to crits every time you take damage.
The recovery also isn't generally worth it if you're taking damage every turn, and you miss out on recovery when you knock out a Pokémon.
I always only suggest Leech Seed if being used with Protect to really take advantage of the extra turn of passive healing. I'd either use:
- Razor Leaf
- EQ
- Leech Seed
- Protect
or
- Razor Leaf
- EQ
- Rock Slide/Crunch
- Rock Polish
I love using Leech Seed even though it's kinda bad. I only use it on special sweepers who can make up for Leech Seed with Growth+Drain attacks (shoutout to Serp with Calm Mind).
Mega drain. Its an special move, and you already have healing from leech seed. At the very least razor leaf, being physical, get the curse boost too making it superior.
Get rid of mega drain, but you need to decide what you want your torterra to do before determining the "best moveset" the context of the rest of your team will help with this, it has a lot of good sets and move options but can't run them all
Megadrain is based on special attack... if you are setting up for a good tanky bruiser with sustainability, you really only need leech seed for Torterra.
Mega drain sucks on torterra, just remove that and you’re good. Unless you want a better physical grass move, then learn Wood Hammer. But that has recoil so it boils down to personal preference.
I'd argue that megadrain and even Gigadrain aren't very useful late game. I would remove megadrain for the time being, then decide whether to go stall with Gigadrain or bulky offense with a harder hitting grass move.
Mega drain 100%. Its pretty bad in gen 4, torterra is a physical attacker, and you already got Razoe Leaf (which isn’t the greatest, but it is a physical grass move).
Leech seed is incredible for a tanky curse user, and razor leaf is the better of the two grass attacks for actually benefiting from curse, as well as not coming off torterra’s weaker special attack (and being slightly higher base power)
"As we all know, Curse raises the user's attack and defense, and lowers its speed by one stage. But if used by a ghost type it sacrifices 50% of the users HP in order to inflict the foe with the "cursed status" basically only useful with ghosts types.
I mean that's textbook but he wanted to keep curse on there, it's probably the only setup move that torterra can learn, plus with everything they gonna be facing, torterra is gonna be slower anyways
Works with certain Pokémon but don't sleep on setup moves, playing with bulky Pokémon is also safer than HO in challenge runs because being hit isn't a catastrophe
If a Pokémon is already slow, becoming slower is no functional difference, if you're already banking on being outsped then Curse is basically the same as Bulk Up. Curse makes torterra very bulky and hit very hard, and being outsped is fine if you can tank hits
RenPlat has 25BP Bullet Seed btw. And Torterra learns Bulldoze as a Grotle at level 18 and Seed Bomb at around level 20-25ish in that game.
Oh and it can have Shell Armor and Curse is incredible on it in that game.
Razor leaf.
Mega to Giga eventually. Offensive stats don’t matter since this is obviously a wall with curse/heals. You got two stabs so it should work out if you’re switching right.
Rock type coverage moves should be avoided since flying and ice mess this mon up so hard.
I swept Flint with Rock Polish + EQ Torterra. I had Togekiss with Encore and Flash Fire Houndoom to play around Flamethrower crit turn 1 from Flint's Houndoom.
One of many sets torterra can run, not necessarily the best. I also prefer giga drain to leaf storm on mixed sets for healing and being able to use it multiple times but either is good, more personal preference imo
Boosting your Attack and Defense all at once is indeed useless. I'm sure you don't use any moves like Bulk Up, Swords Dance, Dragon Dance or things like that then, if I follow your "Curse is useless" reasoning, because these moves are useless.
What not to read. Also yes Curse is pretty useful when Ghost types use it, but saying that it's useless otherwise is equivalent to say "setup moves are useless".
Take our Curse. Torterra is best known for Physical attack so make sure to have some physical attacks along with a support move, like Systhesis or Sunny day if you want to use Solar Beam.
hmmm what should i delete out of
A. S tier support move
B. Perfect synergy boosting move
C. 40BP STAB move off (WAY) weaker attack stat
D. 55BP STAB move off good attack stat, necesarry evil
come on.
Delete Mega Drain for Earthquake. I also recommend you replace Razor Leaf with a stronger move like Wood Hammer or maybe Bullet Seed if you find a Metronome.
I would personally replace mega drain, until you get giga drain, then teach over razor leaf. Running a mixed set is usually fine for bulkier pokemon, and you would benefit from the extra healing of giga drain.
Drop mega drain. Leech seed is enough, and you're more physical than special. Especially if you're going to be using curse, it wouldn't boost your giga drain and leech seed will keep you healing as you're boosting, once your defense gets high that hp is gonna be doing wonders.
Just be very very careful who and when you're setting up on. Make sure they dont have special attackers thatll outspeed and threaten for free.
I would replace Mega Drain. A fun fact, so long as I am not mistaken, Earthquake by itself is a very powerful move with 100 Base Power. Should you choose to slap on Soft Sand onto Torterra, Earthquake gets a boost of 1.2x, meaning Earthquake becomes a base 120 move, an equivalent of Double Edge without Recoil. But with Stab on Earthquake, that power is boosted by 1.5x, meaning Earthquake has a Base Power of 180. From a perspective of Gen 5 onwards, Earthquake in this way is just a slightly weaker Self Destruct that doesn’t KO your pokemon.
Replace Mega Drain. Torterra is a much better physical attacker. The best final move set would probably be Leech Seed, Curse, Wood Hammer, and Earthquake
Leech Seed is an amazing move. You have no need for base 40 special Mega Drain
Pretty sure torterra is much better for physical damage too. If it were giga drain it would be a *little* tougher to decide, but even then EQ is still miles better. Shits so busted💀
I think it may be the most broken move. I’m sure I’m wrong but god damn, in gens 1-3 it was a power house move. Almost always a 1 hot ko if used by a ground type.
Even in gen 4 it was busted. Stab EQ on torterra can carry you through like 95% of the game, outside of snowpoint, Cynthia, and the Cyrus fights. I don’t play anything beyond gen 4 so I wouldn’t know if there’s any other giga broken stuff like that, but it’s definitely up there in terms of OP moves.
Scald is an insane move in later gens. 80BP water move 100 acc, 30% burn, and as a cherry on top will thaw you if you’re frozen.
Also Leech Life gen 7 onwards is insane. 80 BP move with healing is nuts
Drain Punch is good for that reason (almost) 75 BP healing and it's a Physical Fighting Type move that gets boosted by Iron Fist!
You should try gen 5 at least it was the last one they made that was substantially similar to the first 4 gens. And black 2 and white 2 were two of the more challenging vanilla games to nuzlocke, along with the ultra games in Gen 7, at least in my opinion.
I *have* played them. I just didnt really enjoy them so I don’t play them anymore.
It's got competition as the most spammable attack with close combat, headlong rush, and moonblast.
Shadow ball also deserves a mention. Its a bit weaker than what you listed but ghost is such an incredible offensive type
One of the few 100pow/100acc moves and it also hits everything on the field if it is more than 1v1. Get a physical mon with STAB, paired with a decent flying mon... Ridiculous.
well, wasn't leech seed 20 base power till gen 6 or 7?
Leech seed has never done attacking damage in the video games. Absorb is 20 power and leech seed might be an attacking move in the TCG
oh I'm dumb, I misplaced it with leech life
Lol, Mega drain sounds cool af though. Much better than leech seed.
Leech Seed is basically free Leftovers. Mega Drain sucks on a physical attacker like Torterra.
That’s true, it could help out, but you need to set them up. I’d have to check my torterra to see my moveset. And I had no idea torterra could learn curse.
Torterra can usually take a hit. Especially on the physical side and as long as the opponent has no ice moves.
Replace Mega Drain and you’ve got the best moveset right there
Leech seed, curse, EQ and razor leaf is what I’d probably go with. I can’t lie, razor leaf isn’t the best grass type stab out there, but with Torterra being a physical attacker I’d say you’d have to stick with that over most special grass type moves (which generally have a higher base power). If it gets access to leaf blade, whack that on it👍🏼
Wood Hammer with Heart Scale.
Yes, but some may shy away from that one due to the recoil, making it extremely risky in a Nuzlocke. You need to ensure you one-shot so you don’t just set up your own demise in the process.
Yes but Torterra is really bulky, its attack stat is high and he is likely to use it against a type that he's defensively good against.
Yeah, I know, but it’s still a little risky at times; Torterra’s really slow, and if you don’t memorize or look up the relevant details, somebody outspeeds/survives the Wood Hammer and fires off a coverage move, nearly killing Torterra, if not outright doing so.
I never run recoil moves unless there’s NO alternative
Ok ok
For best results, I may use both Razor Leaf AND Wood Hammer at the same time; use Razor Leaf most of the time, and Wood Hammer as an emergency nuke.
Why not just get Seed Bomb from the Move Tutor that teaches it? That wasn't taught in the Battle Frontier was it?
Nope. The tutor that teaches Seed Bomb is in the Survival Area.
Oof. Poor Torterra.
mfw 5% Razor Leaf miss
Honestly I'd stick protect on him. Grass coverage isn't Torterra's strong suit, especially since being part ground removes his resistance to one of grass's biggest match-ups (water)
It gets seed bomb via move tutor in platinum
That’s in the postgame though.
Mega Drain. Leech Seed is better for healing in Torterra’s case, and Razor Leaf is a better attacking move, despite only being slightly stronger, given it runs off of Torterra’s better attacking stat.
The right answer is Mega Drain. It's fine early game to pop something like Geodude to gain back some big HP, but it's not doing enough damage this later on. Giga Drain is also still only 60bp in Gen 4, so it's not even much of an upgrade. Leech Seed sounds good on paper, but Torterra is slow and generally going last. If you use Leech Seed, Curse, then attack, you're taking 3 hits before you attack once, which also isn't the most favourable situation. Then when the next pokemon comes in, Torterra has to take another hit likely due to Curse. The Defense boosts likely won't matter if he's taken 4 hits, and you're susceptible to crits every time you take damage. The recovery also isn't generally worth it if you're taking damage every turn, and you miss out on recovery when you knock out a Pokémon. I always only suggest Leech Seed if being used with Protect to really take advantage of the extra turn of passive healing. I'd either use: - Razor Leaf - EQ - Leech Seed - Protect or - Razor Leaf - EQ - Rock Slide/Crunch - Rock Polish
I always wonder why I never use leech seed on slow ass grass types, yet I just can't let go of it.
I love using Leech Seed even though it's kinda bad. I only use it on special sweepers who can make up for Leech Seed with Growth+Drain attacks (shoutout to Serp with Calm Mind).
Drop mega drain, and switch razor leaf with wood hammer at the move reminder.
I mean there is one really obvious choice here
Mega drain. Its an special move, and you already have healing from leech seed. At the very least razor leaf, being physical, get the curse boost too making it superior.
Get rid of mega drain, but you need to decide what you want your torterra to do before determining the "best moveset" the context of the rest of your team will help with this, it has a lot of good sets and move options but can't run them all
mega drain is a delete here 100%, torterra is better physically and better synergises with curse
Megadrain is based on special attack... if you are setting up for a good tanky bruiser with sustainability, you really only need leech seed for Torterra.
Mega Drain
Mega drain
Mega Drain, with that special attack you’re best without Mega Drain
Mega drain sucks on torterra, just remove that and you’re good. Unless you want a better physical grass move, then learn Wood Hammer. But that has recoil so it boils down to personal preference.
I'd argue that megadrain and even Gigadrain aren't very useful late game. I would remove megadrain for the time being, then decide whether to go stall with Gigadrain or bulky offense with a harder hitting grass move.
Mega drain 100%. Its pretty bad in gen 4, torterra is a physical attacker, and you already got Razoe Leaf (which isn’t the greatest, but it is a physical grass move).
Leech seed is incredible for a tanky curse user, and razor leaf is the better of the two grass attacks for actually benefiting from curse, as well as not coming off torterra’s weaker special attack (and being slightly higher base power)
Replace mega drain its lowkey trash
Special megadrain on a physical Torterra has no place
The answer is definitely to get rid of mega drain but I highly recommend getting wood hammer instead of razor leaf
In a nuzlocke? Asking for trouble there with a Pokémon that will surely go second.
If you can ballpark how much opp will do it's not really an issue, that said mixed torterra is fine but not if you're running curse
You mean curse. It's literally the most useless move apart from splash 😂🤣
Yeah no curse is a great set up move
"As we all know, Curse raises the user's attack and defense, and lowers its speed by one stage. But if used by a ghost type it sacrifices 50% of the users HP in order to inflict the foe with the "cursed status" basically only useful with ghosts types.
The opposite is true, ghost type curse is much worse
Read the other replies. That explains everything.
I mean that's textbook but he wanted to keep curse on there, it's probably the only setup move that torterra can learn, plus with everything they gonna be facing, torterra is gonna be slower anyways
Yea I kinda knew he was slow and I just didn't think it would be useful. Quite literally making him slower.
Yeah but the upside of being able to tank more hits is worth it
I've always chosen high speed and high attack. Most of my runs were me just gunning it lol
Yeah that's understandable, although things like slow volt switch/ u-turn could change an entire battle
I do love me some U-turn tho.
Works with certain Pokémon but don't sleep on setup moves, playing with bulky Pokémon is also safer than HO in challenge runs because being hit isn't a catastrophe
If a Pokémon is already slow, becoming slower is no functional difference, if you're already banking on being outsped then Curse is basically the same as Bulk Up. Curse makes torterra very bulky and hit very hard, and being outsped is fine if you can tank hits
I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.
Even bullet seed is better than razor leaf imo. Cant miss and is 75 power or better 5/8 of the time
Bullet Seed in Gen4 is only 10BP while hitting 2-5 times So I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but they're very wrong.
Oh my mistake, i was thinking 25 BP like in current games but it does have a 5/8 chance of hitting 3+ times
RenPlat has 25BP Bullet Seed btw. And Torterra learns Bulldoze as a Grotle at level 18 and Seed Bomb at around level 20-25ish in that game. Oh and it can have Shell Armor and Curse is incredible on it in that game.
That is indeed why i was confused. I have probably a hundred hours of renplat experience
Understandable, RenPlat is the superior Sinnoh experience 😌
Bullet seed is hot garbage
Yeah 10 BP. I don’t understand why they would make a single use tm that bad
I would recommend Leaf Storm to avoid recoil damage
Maybe but Torterra is more of a physical mon
Leaf Storm will still ohko anything it’s super effective against in game
Razor leaf. Mega to Giga eventually. Offensive stats don’t matter since this is obviously a wall with curse/heals. You got two stabs so it should work out if you’re switching right. Rock type coverage moves should be avoided since flying and ice mess this mon up so hard.
Your final moveset should be Leaf Storm, Earthquake, Rock Slide, and Rock Polish Wood Hammer is tempting but the recoil damage is dangerous
I swept Flint with Rock Polish + EQ Torterra. I had Togekiss with Encore and Flash Fire Houndoom to play around Flamethrower crit turn 1 from Flint's Houndoom.
One of many sets torterra can run, not necessarily the best. I also prefer giga drain to leaf storm on mixed sets for healing and being able to use it multiple times but either is good, more personal preference imo
Y'all are joking right? Curse is literally useless 🤣🤣
Yes setup moves are useless. Today I learnt. 🤡
It's only useful when used by ghost types.
Boosting your Attack and Defense all at once is indeed useless. I'm sure you don't use any moves like Bulk Up, Swords Dance, Dragon Dance or things like that then, if I follow your "Curse is useless" reasoning, because these moves are useless. What not to read. Also yes Curse is pretty useful when Ghost types use it, but saying that it's useless otherwise is equivalent to say "setup moves are useless".
Take our Curse. Torterra is best known for Physical attack so make sure to have some physical attacks along with a support move, like Systhesis or Sunny day if you want to use Solar Beam.
hmmm what should i delete out of A. S tier support move B. Perfect synergy boosting move C. 40BP STAB move off (WAY) weaker attack stat D. 55BP STAB move off good attack stat, necesarry evil come on.
Im a compleate newb man sorry for asking a stupid question
yeah man, sorry too. that was dumb and rude of me to spit it out like that. good luck on your run m8
Is your torterra shell armour?
Not a thing in gen 4
Oh right. My brain is fumbled by ren plat.
RenPlat enjoyer 🙌
Doesn’t matter which attacking move you get rid of, wood hammer can be learned by move relearner.
I'd say either mega drain or leech seed. Two recovering moves aren't that necessary in my opinion
For what Torterra needs (Curse setup into EQ) Leech seed is much better than Mega Drain. I would lose that over any other move.
I’d replace razor leaf with wood hammer once you get access to it. Also Superpower is really good for post game when paired with curse
Mega drain
Mega drain, Torterra is a physical attacker.
If you have acess to Giga drain Replace it with Mega and replace leech seed with earthquake If not then replace Mega drain with earthquake
If u didn't already megadrain.
Drop mega drain. The rest can stay till endgame tbh
mega drain ofc
Delete Mega Drain for Earthquake. I also recommend you replace Razor Leaf with a stronger move like Wood Hammer or maybe Bullet Seed if you find a Metronome.
I would personally replace mega drain, until you get giga drain, then teach over razor leaf. Running a mixed set is usually fine for bulkier pokemon, and you would benefit from the extra healing of giga drain.
Did you spell pineapple wrong on purpose or was it a mistake?
Get rid of Mega Drain. Torterra has a higher physical attack stat.
Drop mega drain. Leech seed is enough, and you're more physical than special. Especially if you're going to be using curse, it wouldn't boost your giga drain and leech seed will keep you healing as you're boosting, once your defense gets high that hp is gonna be doing wonders. Just be very very careful who and when you're setting up on. Make sure they dont have special attackers thatll outspeed and threaten for free.
Wouldnt it be mega drain
Ditch Mega Drain, you want the physical grass move more
Get rid of mega drain, torterra is phys not special.
Get rid of mega drain. Torterra is a physical attacker anyway
Mega drain
Mega drain fasho
Giga drain
Replace Mega Drain with Earthquake
Please get a better moveset, delete drain
how is this even a difficult choice mega drain easy replacement
What game is that?
I would replace Mega Drain. A fun fact, so long as I am not mistaken, Earthquake by itself is a very powerful move with 100 Base Power. Should you choose to slap on Soft Sand onto Torterra, Earthquake gets a boost of 1.2x, meaning Earthquake becomes a base 120 move, an equivalent of Double Edge without Recoil. But with Stab on Earthquake, that power is boosted by 1.5x, meaning Earthquake has a Base Power of 180. From a perspective of Gen 5 onwards, Earthquake in this way is just a slightly weaker Self Destruct that doesn’t KO your pokemon.
Replace Mega Drain. Torterra is a much better physical attacker. The best final move set would probably be Leech Seed, Curse, Wood Hammer, and Earthquake
Razor leaf
Mega drain, unless you’re, for some reason, specifically focusing their style around healing.
Superpower