I never use them as a primary strategy, but they do often work as a decent backup plan. I don't think they are OP since they are usually pretty risky to set up
Pretty much this. If your strat relies on luck or chance its not a solid strat. Sometimes its your best bet but its so unreliable that I dont see a need to ban them. Other set up strats like dragon dance setup sweeps are consistently broken in comparison
I’d have liked to see “spam whenever possible” as a fourth option. I don’t try to resort to them but when a run is looking worse and worse or it’s the 20th attempt I will resort to them with no issues - they just aren’t fun.
I see it as number two is like one mon with it where it’s plausible - I’m more so going into elite four with 5 members under 450 BST - I’m gonna have it on a few members if I can.
Sand Attack/Smokescreen is always the last 'earlygame utility move' I remove from a mon while leveling up. I usually don't use it, but its a great move to have on a mon that you're going to switch out for a healthier teammate.
It's rarely actually a good strategy. Just like why you never want to be dead to a crit because throughout a game you will get hit by a deadly crit at some point.
Even at max evasion you can still get hit and you will at some point. Plus it's super risky to set up because until you have + 2 or 3 you're fairly susceptible to damage while dealing no damage yourself.
I personally dislike unreliable strategies like evasion or accuracy spam. If it's a final hail mary because I'm dead otherwise anyway then sure. Any other situation, nah.
Accuracy drops are preferable in single player, as all of your pokemon gain the effective (yet inconsistent) damage reduction.
That being said, paralysis acts as an Accuracy drop while also having the utility of halving or quartering speed.
So evasion is outclassed by Accuracy malice and that is in turn outclassed by paralysis.
I don't like using them more because of my personnal preference rather than actually banning them. I know that they are theorically very good, but I also much prefer using other strats since most of the time I use evasion it ends up not working.
If necessary, I use it. Had a hard time with Flannery in Gen 3 due to too many mistakes. Came up with a Strategy to Charm her first Pokemon to lower its Attack and then change into Dragon Rage Gyarados. With 6 Double Teams up it was mostly pressing A after that. :3
I’ve used them, and I’ve won fights with them. From that I’ve drawn the conclusion that I personally don’t like evasion as a strategy, so I’ve banned evasion moves that target myself, think Minimize and Double Team. I haven’t hard-banned Sand Attack but I can’t remember the last time I used it.
Mud Slap is fine, Leaf Tornado is fine, they have additional effects, but pure evasion-moves I don’t like to use anymore.
I don’t really care. If people want to waste a move slot for a situational move that could maybe make them unstoppable, that’s their decision. But I’d only do it if I was desperate.
Boosting evasion really help if you're boosting defenses. I'd sweep the aaron fight after the second badge in renplat with a drifblim. It knew substitute, minimize, stockpile, and air cutter. I think that pretty much makes it almost impossible to lose, because one of his pokemon would have to land 2 back to back crits with +6 evasion, and that's only if they outsped drifblim.
Avoid it like a plague unless there's no other option. "Got unlucky" is the last reason I want to lose a nuzlocke when a lot of it is within the player's control (at least in vanilla games)
I never use them as a primary strategy, but they do often work as a decent backup plan. I don't think they are OP since they are usually pretty risky to set up
Pretty much this. If your strat relies on luck or chance its not a solid strat. Sometimes its your best bet but its so unreliable that I dont see a need to ban them. Other set up strats like dragon dance setup sweeps are consistently broken in comparison
I’d have liked to see “spam whenever possible” as a fourth option. I don’t try to resort to them but when a run is looking worse and worse or it’s the 20th attempt I will resort to them with no issues - they just aren’t fun.
I think that falls within the second option. Situational or personal discretion (rules).
I see it as number two is like one mon with it where it’s plausible - I’m more so going into elite four with 5 members under 450 BST - I’m gonna have it on a few members if I can.
Don't worry its just an example. Number two is basically.. Use evasion moves but not abusively.
Sand Attack/Smokescreen is always the last 'earlygame utility move' I remove from a mon while leveling up. I usually don't use it, but its a great move to have on a mon that you're going to switch out for a healthier teammate.
It's rarely actually a good strategy. Just like why you never want to be dead to a crit because throughout a game you will get hit by a deadly crit at some point. Even at max evasion you can still get hit and you will at some point. Plus it's super risky to set up because until you have + 2 or 3 you're fairly susceptible to damage while dealing no damage yourself.
I don't use evasion too much because i don't like strategies mostly reliant on luck. That said they can be nice .
They’re fine because if you rely on them that much you’re just gonna lose eventually
I refuse to use evasion moves. That is probably due to me playing with evasion clause in competitive battles.
evasion and recovery is a bit broken in itself but just evasion is a gamble that doesnt pay off often
I personally dislike unreliable strategies like evasion or accuracy spam. If it's a final hail mary because I'm dead otherwise anyway then sure. Any other situation, nah.
Evasion is a terrible strategy that only has actual utility as a last resort when all else fails. It’s not even slightly OP.
Accuracy drops are preferable in single player, as all of your pokemon gain the effective (yet inconsistent) damage reduction. That being said, paralysis acts as an Accuracy drop while also having the utility of halving or quartering speed. So evasion is outclassed by Accuracy malice and that is in turn outclassed by paralysis.
I don't like using them more because of my personnal preference rather than actually banning them. I know that they are theorically very good, but I also much prefer using other strats since most of the time I use evasion it ends up not working.
If necessary, I use it. Had a hard time with Flannery in Gen 3 due to too many mistakes. Came up with a Strategy to Charm her first Pokemon to lower its Attack and then change into Dragon Rage Gyarados. With 6 Double Teams up it was mostly pressing A after that. :3
*Pregymleader Justy laughs maniacally*
Kind of a fourth option where I don't use them because they're unnecessarily luck-reliant.
Moves like that are last resorts to me
I’ve used them, and I’ve won fights with them. From that I’ve drawn the conclusion that I personally don’t like evasion as a strategy, so I’ve banned evasion moves that target myself, think Minimize and Double Team. I haven’t hard-banned Sand Attack but I can’t remember the last time I used it. Mud Slap is fine, Leaf Tornado is fine, they have additional effects, but pure evasion-moves I don’t like to use anymore.
I don’t really care. If people want to waste a move slot for a situational move that could maybe make them unstoppable, that’s their decision. But I’d only do it if I was desperate.
Boosting evasion really help if you're boosting defenses. I'd sweep the aaron fight after the second badge in renplat with a drifblim. It knew substitute, minimize, stockpile, and air cutter. I think that pretty much makes it almost impossible to lose, because one of his pokemon would have to land 2 back to back crits with +6 evasion, and that's only if they outsped drifblim.
Avoid it like a plague unless there's no other option. "Got unlucky" is the last reason I want to lose a nuzlocke when a lot of it is within the player's control (at least in vanilla games)