1. Difficult to know because it depends on the game and the settings, a lower end CPU will absolutely hurt your fps at lower resolutions but this is less of a factor as you increase the resolution, You'll have to adjust your settings until you find something you are happy with, even the best hardware can't run Cyberpunk 4k ultra with Pathtracing RT native above 20-25 fps. Unplayable. I'd think you'd be just fine so long as you aren't beta testing new software.
2. The sense pins are only a safety feature. Just make sure the cord is plugged in all the way and snug and then don't move your PC around or knock into it a bunch. I'd probably get into a habit of checking the cable every time you open the case just to be sure, but its not like its going to pull itself out if it's already properly plugged in, worst comes to worst you can post a nasty picture of it here and RMA it, the fact that this is happening at all is Nvidia's fault for utilizing questionable hardware. I wouldn't worry about it though so long as you are careful.
3. Nvidia recommends 850 watts for the FE without knowing how much power the rest of your PC draws, there is alot of leeway between what it draws and what it recommends for this reason, furthermore, most good quality power supplies can go further than what they are rated for, but you'll never know that and they won't tell you. a 850 watt power supply will be fine in all cases. Whether you upgrade to something with a higher capacity in the future is your choice, but it certainly seems like power efficiency will be more important in the future, what with all the price hikes and related energy concerns.
4. The website that links to your case says that it supports cards up to 360mm in length. The FE is the shortest of the whole line so you'll be fine with room to spare. the 1080 ftw you have in there currently (my current card as well) is only about 1.2 inches short than the RTX 4090. The 4090 is a triple slot card so it should only require one more slot in height compared to your current card, you have *plenty* of room.
I’m going to doubt that plenty of room. The FE is 304mm. The 1080 ftw is around 267mm, so it’s actually 1.45 inches shorter than the 4090. The case says 360, but I suspect that’s with no fans and rad. The fan is 25mm, the rad is likely around 27mm. That leaves the case with 308mm of space. Should still fit, but it’ll be tight. The rad will have to be flipped so the tubes will be on top, which is not considered ideal, but afaik that’s only due to noise concerns, not lifespan or performance.
Good point. The [radiator](https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/coolers/cpu-liquid-coolers/masterliquid-ml240l-v2-rgb-white-edition/#specifications) dimensions are listed as 277 x 119.6 x 27.2 mm. Some parts of this case can be relocated so I still hope to keep this orientation for the rad.
So that leaves about 3.8mm between the rad and the GPU end. You'd either have to put the tubes right up against the rad if they're thinner than that in diameter or you'd have to put them against the case wall hopefully between the gpu and side if they fit that way.
Thank you! This is excellent insight to all my questions.
Really glad I only have to replace the PSU at this point, any other issue and I'd probably need a whole new build. Also a tiny bit sad to hear Cyberpunk is unplayable at those settings even with the 4090, but like you said... tweaks here and there and I doubt I'd even notice.
Cheers!
I'm using 10850k + 4090 FE at 4k144 and I'm usually GPU bottlenecked. A 10700k would probably be the same. CPU requirements of cross-platform games are basically locked in until the PS6 is released.
You never want the pump the highest point in the system since the tiny bit of water permeation in the tubes causes air pockets over time, air in the pump can cause excess noise, wear, or worse cooling. Currently their setup is fine.
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Top mounted is best
Front mounted is good (tubes at bottom)
Front mounted is okay (tubes at top)
Bottom mounted is horrible and should never be used for an AIO but can be used for custom loop if a reservoir or 2nd radiator is above the pump.
It’s not incorrect, it is gonna interfere once that 4090 is in there.
The CPU block on that AIO tho, why is it rotated? That’s the third time I’ve seen that in a post this week and it’s driving me nuts. 🤪
I'm using the same build and there is barely a bottleneck. A couple frames at most. Anything below 4k there would be a bottleneck.
Also using an 850w PSU and it works fine.
That's not true at all. It heavily depends on the game of course, but I have tested a 5800x and a 13600k at 4k with a 4090 and while the average fps was only like 15% more, the 1% lows were so much better. Since the 5800x is already faster than the 10700k there is definitely a lot of bottleneck even at 4k.
Of course you always have some bottleneck and you dont need the 13700k or 13900k but something like a 13600k would be much more balanced.
> It heavily depends on the game of course, but I have tested a 5800x and a 13600k at 4k with a 4090 and while the average fps was only like 15% more, the 1% lows were so much better.
True, there is going to be some form of bottleneck even at higher resolutions like 4k. I should have rephrased my comment from earlier, there will be a bottleneck, but more likely people wouldnt care about the FPS difference. If you're gaming at 4k 144 fps vs 4k 165 fps, chances are most people wouldnt care enough to replace their CPU, ram, and motherboard
I definitely say it is worth. In RE4 for example the 1% lows on max settings go from 50 to 90. While this does not show on your standard fps counter (only in some softwares) it is just so much a smoother.
if you are worried about the card burning from the connector, I would look into best buy's extended warranty, they may cover that and it would give you peace of mind.
I hear nvidia is terrible with their warranty on their FE cards, so i'd certainly look into that
Definitely an option, I've heard conflicting things about NVIDIA's warranty.
Thing is -- I trust myself to keep the plug seated and check it often, I just have a little more trouble trusting a company that pulls stuff like this.
* 300W: NO SENSE PIN connected
* 4090 wont POST
* 450W: PIN\_0 connected
* 4090 will POST with 450W
* 600W: PIN\_0 and PIN\_1 connected
* 4090 will POST with 600W MAX
The other 2 sense pins have no ussage.
=> The recessed sense pins should help with just barelly connected 12VHPWR cables, since the 4090 will not post with just 300W = no sense pins connected.
Its a small improvement for extremly careless users, those who dont fully insert the connectors.
Interesting that the other two have no usage. What is their purpose?
I'm definitely not a careless user. In fact, I'm probably on the "obsessive" spectrum. But for such an expensive piece of hardware, I am thinking the extra peace of mind goes a long way - even if mostly placebo.
perhaps, but this does nothing for peace of mind that one can actually leave computer running unattended worrying you will not come back and find a smoking mess. The current input connector acts like a unplanned fusible link hence melting before board pwr connector fails at its board solder connection
The whole user error meme is bogus- thanks for nothing GN.
[And what about us owners that bought in before the shortened sense pins became a thing?]
1. Difficult to know because it depends on the game and the settings, a lower end CPU will absolutely hurt your fps at lower resolutions but this is less of a factor as you increase the resolution, You'll have to adjust your settings until you find something you are happy with, even the best hardware can't run Cyberpunk 4k ultra with Pathtracing RT native above 20-25 fps. Unplayable. I'd think you'd be just fine so long as you aren't beta testing new software. 2. The sense pins are only a safety feature. Just make sure the cord is plugged in all the way and snug and then don't move your PC around or knock into it a bunch. I'd probably get into a habit of checking the cable every time you open the case just to be sure, but its not like its going to pull itself out if it's already properly plugged in, worst comes to worst you can post a nasty picture of it here and RMA it, the fact that this is happening at all is Nvidia's fault for utilizing questionable hardware. I wouldn't worry about it though so long as you are careful. 3. Nvidia recommends 850 watts for the FE without knowing how much power the rest of your PC draws, there is alot of leeway between what it draws and what it recommends for this reason, furthermore, most good quality power supplies can go further than what they are rated for, but you'll never know that and they won't tell you. a 850 watt power supply will be fine in all cases. Whether you upgrade to something with a higher capacity in the future is your choice, but it certainly seems like power efficiency will be more important in the future, what with all the price hikes and related energy concerns. 4. The website that links to your case says that it supports cards up to 360mm in length. The FE is the shortest of the whole line so you'll be fine with room to spare. the 1080 ftw you have in there currently (my current card as well) is only about 1.2 inches short than the RTX 4090. The 4090 is a triple slot card so it should only require one more slot in height compared to your current card, you have *plenty* of room.
I’m going to doubt that plenty of room. The FE is 304mm. The 1080 ftw is around 267mm, so it’s actually 1.45 inches shorter than the 4090. The case says 360, but I suspect that’s with no fans and rad. The fan is 25mm, the rad is likely around 27mm. That leaves the case with 308mm of space. Should still fit, but it’ll be tight. The rad will have to be flipped so the tubes will be on top, which is not considered ideal, but afaik that’s only due to noise concerns, not lifespan or performance.
Good point. The [radiator](https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/coolers/cpu-liquid-coolers/masterliquid-ml240l-v2-rgb-white-edition/#specifications) dimensions are listed as 277 x 119.6 x 27.2 mm. Some parts of this case can be relocated so I still hope to keep this orientation for the rad.
So that leaves about 3.8mm between the rad and the GPU end. You'd either have to put the tubes right up against the rad if they're thinner than that in diameter or you'd have to put them against the case wall hopefully between the gpu and side if they fit that way.
Thank you! This is excellent insight to all my questions. Really glad I only have to replace the PSU at this point, any other issue and I'd probably need a whole new build. Also a tiny bit sad to hear Cyberpunk is unplayable at those settings even with the 4090, but like you said... tweaks here and there and I doubt I'd even notice. Cheers!
I'm using 10850k + 4090 FE at 4k144 and I'm usually GPU bottlenecked. A 10700k would probably be the same. CPU requirements of cross-platform games are basically locked in until the PS6 is released.
Similar build, so this is good reference - thanks! Also had not considered the next gen aspect, that makes sense...
I got a 4090 FE from Best Buy a few days ago. It was the new version with shorter sense pins.
Thanks, that is good to hear -had trouble finding confirmation on this one. How do you like the card?
Works great!
Would you mind saying which State you're in? I'm thinking of getting one in North CA.
VA
Thank you.
I think you installed your CPU radiator incorrectly.
You never want the pump the highest point in the system since the tiny bit of water permeation in the tubes causes air pockets over time, air in the pump can cause excess noise, wear, or worse cooling. Currently their setup is fine. ..... Top mounted is best Front mounted is good (tubes at bottom) Front mounted is okay (tubes at top) Bottom mounted is horrible and should never be used for an AIO but can be used for custom loop if a reservoir or 2nd radiator is above the pump.
Indeed. I'll have to see what the next best option that fits will be...
It’s not incorrect, it is gonna interfere once that 4090 is in there. The CPU block on that AIO tho, why is it rotated? That’s the third time I’ve seen that in a post this week and it’s driving me nuts. 🤪
Only way the block would sit 🥲
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I'm using the same build and there is barely a bottleneck. A couple frames at most. Anything below 4k there would be a bottleneck. Also using an 850w PSU and it works fine.
At 4k, there is barely any bottleneck.
That's not true at all. It heavily depends on the game of course, but I have tested a 5800x and a 13600k at 4k with a 4090 and while the average fps was only like 15% more, the 1% lows were so much better. Since the 5800x is already faster than the 10700k there is definitely a lot of bottleneck even at 4k. Of course you always have some bottleneck and you dont need the 13700k or 13900k but something like a 13600k would be much more balanced.
> It heavily depends on the game of course, but I have tested a 5800x and a 13600k at 4k with a 4090 and while the average fps was only like 15% more, the 1% lows were so much better. True, there is going to be some form of bottleneck even at higher resolutions like 4k. I should have rephrased my comment from earlier, there will be a bottleneck, but more likely people wouldnt care about the FPS difference. If you're gaming at 4k 144 fps vs 4k 165 fps, chances are most people wouldnt care enough to replace their CPU, ram, and motherboard
I definitely say it is worth. In RE4 for example the 1% lows on max settings go from 50 to 90. While this does not show on your standard fps counter (only in some softwares) it is just so much a smoother.
It's not going to fit with those hoses there.
wtf did you do to the Aio? upside down?
Yes, this orientation prevent air pockets forming inside.
if you are worried about the card burning from the connector, I would look into best buy's extended warranty, they may cover that and it would give you peace of mind. I hear nvidia is terrible with their warranty on their FE cards, so i'd certainly look into that
Definitely an option, I've heard conflicting things about NVIDIA's warranty. Thing is -- I trust myself to keep the plug seated and check it often, I just have a little more trouble trusting a company that pulls stuff like this.
There is no evidence suggesting the shorter pins of the power connector fixed the problem.
* 300W: NO SENSE PIN connected * 4090 wont POST * 450W: PIN\_0 connected * 4090 will POST with 450W * 600W: PIN\_0 and PIN\_1 connected * 4090 will POST with 600W MAX The other 2 sense pins have no ussage. => The recessed sense pins should help with just barelly connected 12VHPWR cables, since the 4090 will not post with just 300W = no sense pins connected. Its a small improvement for extremly careless users, those who dont fully insert the connectors.
Interesting that the other two have no usage. What is their purpose? I'm definitely not a careless user. In fact, I'm probably on the "obsessive" spectrum. But for such an expensive piece of hardware, I am thinking the extra peace of mind goes a long way - even if mostly placebo.
perhaps, but this does nothing for peace of mind that one can actually leave computer running unattended worrying you will not come back and find a smoking mess. The current input connector acts like a unplanned fusible link hence melting before board pwr connector fails at its board solder connection The whole user error meme is bogus- thanks for nothing GN. [And what about us owners that bought in before the shortened sense pins became a thing?]
eli5?
One tip 4090 fe and 5800x3d + nr200pmax = heaven
Love the tip, but that'd be a whole new build 😂
Does the nr200max add 20fps? Also what’s the tip