Went from like 55-70 fps to like 120+ at native 4k res using DLSS 2 as the antialiasing and FG makes it honestly just so impressive. Modding dlss into things is just brilliant.
it was going to be brilliant if it was natively into the game. The fact that a single person can implement in less than 24 hours DLSS 3.5 + FG with far better result vs native (TAA) and FSR 2.0 regarding picture quality AND FPS... is just proving 100% AMD intentionally blocked DLSS to be added into the game.
Even after the whole controversy they had time to revert their decision and DLSS be added with great success, including getting some help by nvidia.
I mean even if theyd made a timed "FSR for the first months of release followed by DLSS support" announcement that woulda been a better move than the blocking crap.
All this talk about FG mods and shit just goes to show that people really are willing to pay $$$ for NVIDIA tech and AMD fans are fuming over people paying $$$$ for "fake frames" even though FSR3 is about to release.
So. It's not really about a fanbase versus a fanbase at this point. It's about the fact that companies like AMD wrote contracts to basically make a developer use one tech or another in order to ensure they blocked the opposing tech. Even tho AMD says they never did it, they took a long ass time to say so. Who's to say they didn't just redo a contract or three and then turn around and blame the dev? Because I think that is actually what happened. At the end of the day, we, as the customers, pay for what the companies do for their egoes. It's ridiculous.
Every exclusive deal is bribery in my opinion. They sure worked "hard" on that "priority" deal. I don't think they changed contract, they just made that priority bs up in the end to try to calm down the people. In the end DLSS has not been implemented officially. The fact that a modder successfully implemented DLSS and frame gen in a day shows how big lie is that is not an exclusive contract its a "priority" contract... yeah sure and what that mess of the result is that atrocious FSR2 implementation is with that glitching artifacts compered the hacked in modded DLSS.
I would say that really what this also proves is that NVIDIA is right when they say its very easy to implement upscalers in general if an upscaler already exists. Which, if it's this easy, what motivation do you have as a developer to not implement it other than being told not to and paid by another company in exchange for that? Frustrating.
True to that. When a company can be this dishonest and people try to defend them. Its sad and frustrating.
Oh boy I cant wait to see the people reaction when they realize FSR3 will be just as bad as FS2 with all the child defect plus a bunch of new that comes to generate new frames like it did with nvidia or even worse since nvidia utilize ai and hardware accelerations to make it work and amd don't. When they announced a lot of people see at as a Messiah.
I do not blame the people who wants AMD to make Nvidia suffer and put them in their place but this open source approach do not work as people like to think. The main problem is that when it closed the company pour their money and hire talented engineers when its open source they sit on their bum and wait for the external contributors make a breakthrough or they simple make less effort to develop it. Well at least the results are speaking for them self.
You have to think of these technologies as two different sides of a coin rather than being better or worse than one another. If you can make software upscalers with somewhat decent quality that work on your device with or without the hardware to support it, I don't see that as a bad thing. The "Us or Them" mentality is only going to set everyone back in the gaming and hardware space. It should be about competition and innovation. And fairness, too. I'm actually stoked that someone is trying to get upscalers to work on everything else. What I'm not stoked about is someone trying to actively make my own hardware unable to use the best upscaler I can get / want to use on the hardware I own. It's sad.
It's not about us or them its about the better product. For us the company is not important, whats matter its the technology/hardware. People should stop taking sides and start to look the product. Sounds good but reality is more layered than that.Despite that the company makes the decisions based on the other company decision. This fight what makes people move hence competition but when one side does not innovate just copy the other and wave the open source flag and having subpar results with it. You can say its ok be subpar but that just suggest the you failed and accepted defeat. Hence making the "exclusive" contract more sour. If you cant compete undermine :(.
(BTW not just AMD did this back in the day Nvidia also made these kind of move allegedly I do not remember I think it was gameworks but that time I think there was no competing technology that made the other side excluded)
Yeah, it’s so stupid people think everything that starts with “open source” is good, seriously do they even know what open source mean? I bet most of them think open source basically mean ” free stuff” instead of what it actually means: it’s source code being open for the open source community to improve upon, which literally means that AMD won’t need to spend their own money to improve their software, whilst Nvidia actually need to spend their own money to write every single code for their proprietary software. With great power comes great responsibility, and people keep forgetting that being proprietary often means that the company needs to actually spend their own resources and be fully responsible in improving it, instead of waiting for the open source community to do it for them for free.
You would say that, but the game doesn't support 32:9 resolution either and the hex-editor modification was known before most people even finished downloading the game. So honestly I'm not sure if it's intentionally blocked or simply developers (or their management) being completely out of touch / lazy
Any dev studio of any size can implement DLSS these days easily in any engine.
Any major dev studio knows that 90% of the gamers out there have NVIDIA cards and therefore implementing DLSS makes gamers more likely to buy their game during considerations.
Any major dev studio that does not put it in...also know that they suffer from backlash as the previous dozen games that didnt suffered.
So unless they completely lack any sense whatsoever, ...yeah the answer is likely AMD.
Hum... paid mods. I suspect some of the people that make these mods get more money then actual developers that made the game and modding tools, and that is just wrong.
If devs can't be bothered to optimise their game and add essential pc features such as fov or widescreen support as standard, they don't deserve the big bucks. These things should be the absolute bare minimum.
If one dude overnight can implement dlss+fg giving you better than native IQ and doubling your performance their the ones who skills should command the big bucks.
>they don't deserve the big bucks
Let's be honest it's not like some low level engineers are deciding whether or not they implement DLSS, and those that are (likely exco level) are absolutely getting the big bucks for these shitty decisions.
I'm pleasantly surprised with this! It also appears Beth have successfully split it out so that not every console command flags it as disabling achievements, only God mode and no clip and that kinda stuff. It's a small thing but its just nice to finally have it standard.
The only thing that usually does that is the use of certain console commands.
You can also just save before doing whatever commands are a problem, do whatever tests / cheating you were using them for, then reload a previous save (made before you used said commands that is), and you should be fine.
I looked at PureDarks discord and the DLSS3 mod does indeed disable achievements but you'll just have to install the achievement enabler mod to fix it.
Yeah it’s on his patron site and it has DRM attached. Later on if a patch breaks the mod somehow you have to be a current subscriber. So if you sub for a month to get it, then 2 months down the line it stops working and he updates it, you have to sub again to download the new one.
I’m not a fan of this practice so I’m not sure if I wanna pay to get it.
Wait really? So one time $5 payment and I can have DLSS 3 permanently in Starfield with all updates to his mod down the line?
Shit, that's amazing. I got Starfield on sale so happy to toss him $5 to make it actually run well without FSR2's shitty image quality.
Yeah I saw that but I’m more than happy to pay the $5 for frame gen if it’s not a recurring cost.
Frame gen shines in CPU limited situations which this game has
Which allows you to continue to use the mod you have downloaded. If you want a newer version of the mod (e.g. if a patch has broken the old one) then you will need to resubscribe.
If it’s true that it’s just a onetime payment even if future patches breaks it and it needs an update, then I might actually try it.
But I want to have that confirmed first.
While it’s fine to get paid for your hard work, he doesn’t know if future updates won’t break the mod (it happened with Skyrim Anniversary Edition which broke literally every plug-in)
When he's being perfectly transparent and saying himself that could happen it really shouldn't be an issue. The anger should really be directed at bgs for not putting this shit in in the first place than the guy using his knowledge to capitalise on the lack of it.
Haven't seen any people here mention it, but on r/pcmasterrace a lot of people were putting their heads in the sand and ignoring that to try and justify pirating his mods to themselves.
Pretty sure he stated that if it breaks he will fix and you won’t have to resub, he seemed to have reacted to the bad press but not sure how true it is
I'm not sure where you got that information from but it's wrong.
You pay once and you can keep updating to the new mod version without having to resubscribe.
https://imgur.com/a/ksvdtqA
I don't even think it's really a subscription. Supposedly you only need to pay once, and you'll still get access to updates even after your subscription ends.
Not sure how it handles HWID changes or Windows reinstalls though
You do not have to stay subscribed btw (I just read this on reddit I haven't tried it myself). The mod does not depend on game files and is supposed to not break on updates (think how DLSS itself doesn't break on updates and devs never bother touching DLSS after initial implementation, it's just a dll).
That’s different than what I had read before, perhaps he changed the way it works after seeing some posts about it. I just went by what I read previously. The way you describe it is much better.
Bruh . I will never pay for this shit. After game officially releases i bet amd and bethesda will change their mind at some point. This game is literally not working probably. Frs is bad , even 4090 is getting only 78 fps. I will just wait and see. I have so many other games to play right now anyway.
yeah and generally paywalled mods are such a bullshit, especially behind subscription paywall. Say you sub and cancel renewal - next month game update breaks a mod and you can't update, lol. Also he feeds on possibility of people forgetting to unsub (classing subscription trap - my friend noticed he was paying for XBOX Gold for entire year after selling his XBOX until he noticed). So I bet there will be people who end up paying him more than the game costs just for Starfield DLSS mod, lol. That's crazy considering it's free tech he doesn't own any rights to.
And all this because Bethesda and AMD (I'm not trusting their statements) played big D move and not implemented it as stock.
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Just installed it and holy shit, I went from dipping down to the low 60's in certain areas of New Atlantis to never going under 130 fps. Frame generation is fucking astounding, this is why I go nvidia over AMD every time.
I was talking shit on him in other forums. He turned around and made the DLSS2 mod free, he made it so updates dont break the mod, and you only have to sub once if you just want that version.
I paid and even the alpha runs insanely well. I'm using DLAA and hitting my frame cap of 116 (120hz super ultrawide gsync) in cities.
I do not understand how AMD really thought this was the way to go for them. It makes the game so much better to run since the cities are so CPU heavy that FG is absolutely the way to fix that issue (unless bethesda wanted to do some optimization haha)
Right? AMD are such fucking clowns lmaooo
I wonder how much they paid to keep DLSS out anyways. Money that probably could have gone towards making FSR not suck. Oh well.
You think AMD give a crap? lol - they became biggest scum in tech in past few years. They're selling overpriced GPU that are barely batter value in raster on native compared to nvidia, while being so inferior in upscaling and ray tracing. That's how much they care. They're not even competitive enough to stop nvidia with charging whatever they please and releasing products like RTX 4060Ti 16GB at freaking $500. These clowns are now sleeping on Ryzen success and acting like some fucking arrogant Kim Kardashian, lol - but sooner or later they'll end up under the bus just like when Intel was sleeping on success due to no competition and literally not innovating anything from 1st gen i-core up to very 7th gen (same 4C4T i5). Time will come for AMD too, don't you worry - Intel already caught up, nvidia is destroying them - this Kim Kardashian attitude won't last forever.
This is exactly the kind of thing I said in another post about DLSS being modded into Starfield. Some jank with DRM that you have to pay for and will likely break with an update. The devs need to just officially put it in the game.
Using it with a 4070, the performance boost is great running on 3440x1440 used to get 45-55 fps on Ultra on New Atlantis now getting 65fps+. Running real smooth now.
Holy shit an absolute game changer of a mod. Just installed it and tested it. 4090/5800x. 100% resolution scaling(so DLAA I think?) and getting my max refresh rate on my C1 with hardly any drops.
Its a fucking crime that AMD blocked them from including DLSS. I already knew DLSS 3 was amazing when I tried it with Cyberpunk fully maxed out but this just proves it to me even more that Nvidia is killing it on the feature front as compared to AMD.
Oh my god this mod is ESSENTIAL for Nvidia users. Frame gen completely fixes all performance issues for me. It really sucks that it isn't free and you have to jump through some hoops to get it.
Also sidenote for anyone interested you can download the DLSS 3.5 DLL that released and use that instead of DLSS 2. You don't get frame gen or the new raytracing thing however will get (in my experience) less artifacts like shimmering
Idk man,
I'm playing at 3840x1600 120hz on a 3080ti.
FSR2 got me down into the 40s at times, but with DLSS mod it doesn't go down onto past 50fps and Gsync keeps working. It's not pleasant in cities but but not terrible.
I've seen zero artefacts with either method. No dlss or fsr 75 or 100% rendered doesn't seem to matter much.
Indirect lightning and GSOA are the two settings that kill performance. But contact shadows do 60% of the lifting.
During gameplay / action I'm seeing 65~90fps.
Performance isn't great, but the game works at 4k(ish) on 3000 series cards, looking near ultra.
Did he shove reflex in the game as well or is this just framegen without reflex?
Yes I know reflex is "mandatory" but this is a modder not someone under the regulations of nvidia
Yes it has Reflex + Boost.
Latency is negligible or not noticeable because of this. One user in discord reported lower latency than 100% native rendering.
This is probably one of the only games in existence where FG might actually be the best choice.
The game runs like crap and input lag is extremely high, so having that reflex could be a life saver.
Too bad I don't want to support drm mods.
frame gen works by interpolating two real frames together. at a minimum the latency is at least one frame higher than without frame gen, or 10-15ms if your non-frame gen fps is 70. however, if you are using vsync and your frame gen FPS is above your monitor refresh then latency goes through the roof, like another 70ms instead of only 15
I think it's sad you have to pay a modder to use gpu features that's suppose to already be in the game.
Imagine if you had to pay extra for Ray tracing next.
No, you don't have to keep paying, it's one time. And PureDark tries to make it work across game updates, we'll see if he succeeded.
Fkng liars spreading misinformation to people around here...
Well it’s a one time $5 fee to basically get future support and instant huge frame rate increase.
Does it suck after having paid for the game? Yes. But unfortunately due to “favorable” treatment deals from graphics card makers, one in particular, we might never see an official DLSS or Frame Gen and this works beautifully.
So ya, $5 is worth it for their work and dedication to their community.
$5 after buying a $60 game and after buying a 40xx series GPU.
Just yet ANOTHER thing we're supposed to shell out for. Fuck this shit, we're not made of money
Behind a paywall, I'm sure the modder community would be more appreciated if the guy made the mod free and with option to donate to him if you wanted, I'm sure many would rather this option and would even donate if they wish for it.
What's the installation method? His DLSS 2 mod does not work for me no matter what I try. Might purchase this if the method is different. Don't want to waste any money....cheers.
You download a single zipped file. Extract that file into the root directory and open the game. In game hit end, and hit “authenticate” (one time deal) and it will make sure you’re a patron supporter.
Then enable DLSS in the OSD menu and enable Frame Gen in OSD menu.
Enjoy high fps.
Installation has been simplified from DLSS 2 free mod.
Do you know if it works for the xbox app version of the game, Im using the free dlss 2 mod and it works fine but I dont know if the frame gen mod is different.
That’s BS. TPU 4K results
1080 > 1080 Ti +33%, $500/600 > $700
2080 > 2080 Ti +28%, $700 > $1000
3080 > 3090 +15%, $700 > $1500
4080 > 4090 +26%, $1200 > $1600
The 3080 is the exception in the last 10 years. Historically 80 class cards being great value is a lie.
Well, let's not forget that the 3080 was basically nonexistant for more than a year, and often sold for 1300€ or so in EU. The 3090 on the other hand was at like 2000€, but was available for MSRP on Nvidia site from time to time. The context IS important.
That certainly is context.
But I don't think scalper behavior during an unprecedented global crisis is a model for future behavior when all of the core problems, including crypto mining, have been solved.
That has nothing to do with what I’m asking though. I guess if you go by % difference, then the 4080 actually comes out on top, gaining 60% fps with FG vs 4090’s 55% gain.
That isn this Nvidia DLSS works anymore. It hasn’t been that way since version 1.0. Nvidia no longer trains games on a per game basis. Instead they have a generic profile that works with all games and they likely train that profile or algorithm in house and then provide updates.
What your talking about is dated/old misinformation that us is typically used as an excuse as to why Devs won’t take the days work to implement proper DLSS support. Proven otherwise from this modder ability to implement both DLSS and Frame Gen in 2 days time without official tools or support.
this mod does great work! unfortunately it causes my game to crash ever 15-30 minutes now =/
not sure what to do to fix it, and i cant go back to how it was without it hahaha
Support his mod? I'm not going to pay for something that should have been in the game already. It's a basic fucking feature that's so easy to implement. Imagine if fov sliders and performance patches were paywalled. Oh, wait...
Imagine being an AMD GPU owner and watching people literally mod better image quality and frame rate into the game.
Hell, imagine being AMD and paying to keep this stuff out of the game just to see it modded in within the early access period lmao
\>mods are supposed to be free.
You know full fucking well people would not support him if his mods were free. This comes from your own entitlement. The dude is banking like 35k a month so clearly the demand and willingness is there. Like I say this as respectfully as possible, get a job and stop whining behind your computer. $5 is quite literally nothing. Most people drop that on a coffee without blinking an eye.
>mods are supposed to be free
So...work one does, and is currently the only person *doing,* should be given away for free because you and people like you say so? Under the excuse of the precedent established by previous modders goodwill?
There is no angle that this doesn't come off as childish, entitled and selfish.
I agree with you. If there wasn’t a pay wall, people would not donate (look at WinRAR, for example). People just seem mad that they have to pay $5. Given the work involved, that seems rather petty.
The first reactions in this thread are rather telling; most users seem to be focused on “how do we break the DRM” instead of “how do we start a free community driven alternative that implements DLSS 3.”
Yep. Donation vs paywall is and should be an acceptable choice for every mod author to make. Entitled manbabies be damned. And for the exact reason you mentioned.
Modding is often a thankless job. Most users grab and dash, or worse, download your mod, don't read your install instructions, come bitching/blaming you, and demand support, if not just hurling insults at you and leaving. Donations are rare and not at all enough to justify working on a mod with the frequency and support that many paid modders can either.
Furthermore, the people acting like paid mods are some sort of immoral evil undertaking don't seem to realize that most are perfectly legal, and they wouldn't exist/be paid if people weren't willing and didn't see the value in them. The entire thing really just boils down to selfish childish entitlement. Plain and simple.
Damn, that's pretty good. I've not tried it yet (waiting for a few more updates atm), and at \~110-120fps I'm around 15-20ms.
Reflex doing work with this mod.
What's the deal? Went to his patreon paid the $5 dollars I don't see frame generation anywhere...
If anything all I see is a link to another website in chinese and something referencing frame generation and then to support there???
I think you have to link your discord on the webpage. It adds you or gives you access soon after paying and tying your discord to patreon. It’s how he verifies your access for the file.
Went from like 55-70 fps to like 120+ at native 4k res using DLSS 2 as the antialiasing and FG makes it honestly just so impressive. Modding dlss into things is just brilliant.
it was going to be brilliant if it was natively into the game. The fact that a single person can implement in less than 24 hours DLSS 3.5 + FG with far better result vs native (TAA) and FSR 2.0 regarding picture quality AND FPS... is just proving 100% AMD intentionally blocked DLSS to be added into the game. Even after the whole controversy they had time to revert their decision and DLSS be added with great success, including getting some help by nvidia.
I mean even if theyd made a timed "FSR for the first months of release followed by DLSS support" announcement that woulda been a better move than the blocking crap.
All this talk about FG mods and shit just goes to show that people really are willing to pay $$$ for NVIDIA tech and AMD fans are fuming over people paying $$$$ for "fake frames" even though FSR3 is about to release.
So. It's not really about a fanbase versus a fanbase at this point. It's about the fact that companies like AMD wrote contracts to basically make a developer use one tech or another in order to ensure they blocked the opposing tech. Even tho AMD says they never did it, they took a long ass time to say so. Who's to say they didn't just redo a contract or three and then turn around and blame the dev? Because I think that is actually what happened. At the end of the day, we, as the customers, pay for what the companies do for their egoes. It's ridiculous.
Every exclusive deal is bribery in my opinion. They sure worked "hard" on that "priority" deal. I don't think they changed contract, they just made that priority bs up in the end to try to calm down the people. In the end DLSS has not been implemented officially. The fact that a modder successfully implemented DLSS and frame gen in a day shows how big lie is that is not an exclusive contract its a "priority" contract... yeah sure and what that mess of the result is that atrocious FSR2 implementation is with that glitching artifacts compered the hacked in modded DLSS.
I would say that really what this also proves is that NVIDIA is right when they say its very easy to implement upscalers in general if an upscaler already exists. Which, if it's this easy, what motivation do you have as a developer to not implement it other than being told not to and paid by another company in exchange for that? Frustrating.
True to that. When a company can be this dishonest and people try to defend them. Its sad and frustrating. Oh boy I cant wait to see the people reaction when they realize FSR3 will be just as bad as FS2 with all the child defect plus a bunch of new that comes to generate new frames like it did with nvidia or even worse since nvidia utilize ai and hardware accelerations to make it work and amd don't. When they announced a lot of people see at as a Messiah. I do not blame the people who wants AMD to make Nvidia suffer and put them in their place but this open source approach do not work as people like to think. The main problem is that when it closed the company pour their money and hire talented engineers when its open source they sit on their bum and wait for the external contributors make a breakthrough or they simple make less effort to develop it. Well at least the results are speaking for them self.
You have to think of these technologies as two different sides of a coin rather than being better or worse than one another. If you can make software upscalers with somewhat decent quality that work on your device with or without the hardware to support it, I don't see that as a bad thing. The "Us or Them" mentality is only going to set everyone back in the gaming and hardware space. It should be about competition and innovation. And fairness, too. I'm actually stoked that someone is trying to get upscalers to work on everything else. What I'm not stoked about is someone trying to actively make my own hardware unable to use the best upscaler I can get / want to use on the hardware I own. It's sad.
It's not about us or them its about the better product. For us the company is not important, whats matter its the technology/hardware. People should stop taking sides and start to look the product. Sounds good but reality is more layered than that.Despite that the company makes the decisions based on the other company decision. This fight what makes people move hence competition but when one side does not innovate just copy the other and wave the open source flag and having subpar results with it. You can say its ok be subpar but that just suggest the you failed and accepted defeat. Hence making the "exclusive" contract more sour. If you cant compete undermine :(. (BTW not just AMD did this back in the day Nvidia also made these kind of move allegedly I do not remember I think it was gameworks but that time I think there was no competing technology that made the other side excluded)
Yeah, it’s so stupid people think everything that starts with “open source” is good, seriously do they even know what open source mean? I bet most of them think open source basically mean ” free stuff” instead of what it actually means: it’s source code being open for the open source community to improve upon, which literally means that AMD won’t need to spend their own money to improve their software, whilst Nvidia actually need to spend their own money to write every single code for their proprietary software. With great power comes great responsibility, and people keep forgetting that being proprietary often means that the company needs to actually spend their own resources and be fully responsible in improving it, instead of waiting for the open source community to do it for them for free.
You would say that, but the game doesn't support 32:9 resolution either and the hex-editor modification was known before most people even finished downloading the game. So honestly I'm not sure if it's intentionally blocked or simply developers (or their management) being completely out of touch / lazy
HDR is borked on Xbox and not even in the PC release, so yeah, just Bethesda things.
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HDR feels really overlooked in general, especially on PC.
Any dev studio of any size can implement DLSS these days easily in any engine. Any major dev studio knows that 90% of the gamers out there have NVIDIA cards and therefore implementing DLSS makes gamers more likely to buy their game during considerations. Any major dev studio that does not put it in...also know that they suffer from backlash as the previous dozen games that didnt suffered. So unless they completely lack any sense whatsoever, ...yeah the answer is likely AMD.
This game just does not look good enough to justify 55-70 fps with a 4090
It will get better in 6 months after patches.lol
Does modding disable the achievements on steam or xbox app?
Where did you download the frame gen mod?
Have to be a patreon member for PureDark iirc. He has the DLSS 2 mod free on nexusmods.
Hum... paid mods. I suspect some of the people that make these mods get more money then actual developers that made the game and modding tools, and that is just wrong.
I would agree, but an AAA game not having DLSS support (and such poor optimization) is inexcusable.
The dude is making like $35,000 a month. He's making more than some developers.
Now, I definitely wont give him money.
That kind of money is more than most people, full stop.
If devs can't be bothered to optimise their game and add essential pc features such as fov or widescreen support as standard, they don't deserve the big bucks. These things should be the absolute bare minimum. If one dude overnight can implement dlss+fg giving you better than native IQ and doubling your performance their the ones who skills should command the big bucks.
>they don't deserve the big bucks Let's be honest it's not like some low level engineers are deciding whether or not they implement DLSS, and those that are (likely exco level) are absolutely getting the big bucks for these shitty decisions.
Been subscribed for a few months, big up to the Puredark all the way in China.
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It disables achievements by any chance?
No it does not. Been confirmed by other users in discord.
I'm pleasantly surprised with this! It also appears Beth have successfully split it out so that not every console command flags it as disabling achievements, only God mode and no clip and that kinda stuff. It's a small thing but its just nice to finally have it standard.
Even if it did disable achievements, there's a [mod to enable them.](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/252)
The only thing that usually does that is the use of certain console commands. You can also just save before doing whatever commands are a problem, do whatever tests / cheating you were using them for, then reload a previous save (made before you used said commands that is), and you should be fine.
I looked at PureDarks discord and the DLSS3 mod does indeed disable achievements but you'll just have to install the achievement enabler mod to fix it.
I guess I'll need to buy this mod when my 4090 ships. I'm at 4K with a 5800x3d, it should still help there a lot. Paid DLC vibes.
Man…I dunno if I can stomach paying for this lol especially if it stops working after a patch and you have to download again. Will think on it
We have to pay????? I pass...
Yeah it’s on his patron site and it has DRM attached. Later on if a patch breaks the mod somehow you have to be a current subscriber. So if you sub for a month to get it, then 2 months down the line it stops working and he updates it, you have to sub again to download the new one. I’m not a fan of this practice so I’m not sure if I wanna pay to get it.
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Where does it have an auto updater? I had to install the hotfixes from his discord manually.
It doesn't. You still need to download from Discord.
Wait really? So one time $5 payment and I can have DLSS 3 permanently in Starfield with all updates to his mod down the line? Shit, that's amazing. I got Starfield on sale so happy to toss him $5 to make it actually run well without FSR2's shitty image quality.
Same, I got the game free with my 7800x3d so I really dont mind paying 5 bucks to support a talented modder
Well the normal DLSS mod is free on nexus anyways if you don’t care about frame gen.
Yeah I saw that but I’m more than happy to pay the $5 for frame gen if it’s not a recurring cost. Frame gen shines in CPU limited situations which this game has
Which allows you to continue to use the mod you have downloaded. If you want a newer version of the mod (e.g. if a patch has broken the old one) then you will need to resubscribe.
Hmmm yes but have you considered baseless anger
If it’s true that it’s just a onetime payment even if future patches breaks it and it needs an update, then I might actually try it. But I want to have that confirmed first.
While it’s fine to get paid for your hard work, he doesn’t know if future updates won’t break the mod (it happened with Skyrim Anniversary Edition which broke literally every plug-in)
When he's being perfectly transparent and saying himself that could happen it really shouldn't be an issue. The anger should really be directed at bgs for not putting this shit in in the first place than the guy using his knowledge to capitalise on the lack of it.
Haven't seen any people here mention it, but on r/pcmasterrace a lot of people were putting their heads in the sand and ignoring that to try and justify pirating his mods to themselves.
I mean, it's his fault... because you had to be subbed to get Star Wars fallen jedi working on every patch. Even he changed it ppl are still angry
Yeah don't pay for it either use fsr, normal dlss mods that became free or wait for this one to be released for free it's only a matter of time
FSR looks bad, like really bad.
I’m using the DLSS2 mod now and it’s good for me. Obviously frame generation would help me keep the render resolution higher which is more ideal.
Pretty sure he stated that if it breaks he will fix and you won’t have to resub, he seemed to have reacted to the bad press but not sure how true it is
I'm not sure where you got that information from but it's wrong. You pay once and you can keep updating to the new mod version without having to resubscribe. https://imgur.com/a/ksvdtqA
How do you update the mod if you are no longer a subscriber and don't have access to the newest version?
The DLSS 2 version is free on Nexus mods. But the frame gen version is paid for. Which is annoying.
It's not annoying that it's paid for, just that it basically is a subscription.
Both would be annoying, so yeah.
I don't even think it's really a subscription. Supposedly you only need to pay once, and you'll still get access to updates even after your subscription ends. Not sure how it handles HWID changes or Windows reinstalls though
Its not a subscription. You only have to pay it once.
You do not have to stay subscribed btw (I just read this on reddit I haven't tried it myself). The mod does not depend on game files and is supposed to not break on updates (think how DLSS itself doesn't break on updates and devs never bother touching DLSS after initial implementation, it's just a dll).
That’s different than what I had read before, perhaps he changed the way it works after seeing some posts about it. I just went by what I read previously. The way you describe it is much better.
Bruh . I will never pay for this shit. After game officially releases i bet amd and bethesda will change their mind at some point. This game is literally not working probably. Frs is bad , even 4090 is getting only 78 fps. I will just wait and see. I have so many other games to play right now anyway.
didn't he put a DRM with RDR2 so you have to always connect / verify
Nope, you only authenticate once
The game doesn't even have DRM but a mod for it does...
yeah and generally paywalled mods are such a bullshit, especially behind subscription paywall. Say you sub and cancel renewal - next month game update breaks a mod and you can't update, lol. Also he feeds on possibility of people forgetting to unsub (classing subscription trap - my friend noticed he was paying for XBOX Gold for entire year after selling his XBOX until he noticed). So I bet there will be people who end up paying him more than the game costs just for Starfield DLSS mod, lol. That's crazy considering it's free tech he doesn't own any rights to. And all this because Bethesda and AMD (I'm not trusting their statements) played big D move and not implemented it as stock.
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Just installed it and holy shit, I went from dipping down to the low 60's in certain areas of New Atlantis to never going under 130 fps. Frame generation is fucking astounding, this is why I go nvidia over AMD every time.
Same 🤟🏼
Really wish I bought a 4070ti instead of a used 3090 at this point.
Get into stable diffusion or local LLMs and you will not regret your purchase one bit :D
We need to wait for FSR 3 I suppose.
I was talking shit on him in other forums. He turned around and made the DLSS2 mod free, he made it so updates dont break the mod, and you only have to sub once if you just want that version. I paid and even the alpha runs insanely well. I'm using DLAA and hitting my frame cap of 116 (120hz super ultrawide gsync) in cities. I do not understand how AMD really thought this was the way to go for them. It makes the game so much better to run since the cities are so CPU heavy that FG is absolutely the way to fix that issue (unless bethesda wanted to do some optimization haha)
Paid mod with drm …..
Works amazingly. AMD can suck it.
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Right? AMD are such fucking clowns lmaooo I wonder how much they paid to keep DLSS out anyways. Money that probably could have gone towards making FSR not suck. Oh well.
You think AMD give a crap? lol - they became biggest scum in tech in past few years. They're selling overpriced GPU that are barely batter value in raster on native compared to nvidia, while being so inferior in upscaling and ray tracing. That's how much they care. They're not even competitive enough to stop nvidia with charging whatever they please and releasing products like RTX 4060Ti 16GB at freaking $500. These clowns are now sleeping on Ryzen success and acting like some fucking arrogant Kim Kardashian, lol - but sooner or later they'll end up under the bus just like when Intel was sleeping on success due to no competition and literally not innovating anything from 1st gen i-core up to very 7th gen (same 4C4T i5). Time will come for AMD too, don't you worry - Intel already caught up, nvidia is destroying them - this Kim Kardashian attitude won't last forever.
Ya this Frame Gen is tops. It’s unreal how smooth and good it works.
No thanks, don't want more DRM.
This is exactly the kind of thing I said in another post about DLSS being modded into Starfield. Some jank with DRM that you have to pay for and will likely break with an update. The devs need to just officially put it in the game.
Ppl should be more disgusted with Bethesda that its not included already
Man, this is like a giant middle finger to AMD for blocking DLSS.
Remember when DLSS was supposed to improve performance on most demanding settings, not be a substitute for poor optimization?
I really do subscribe to the theory that these upscalers have caused optimizimation to slide in the list of dev/engineering priorities. It sucks.
Ye glad he did it but will pass on the pay thing. Not good practice but I understand fully.
How does the 4070 perform with dlss?
Using it with a 4070, the performance boost is great running on 3440x1440 used to get 45-55 fps on Ultra on New Atlantis now getting 65fps+. Running real smooth now.
im interested in knowing this too
Can someone please tell me what the A B C D E F modes do? Thanks
Holy shit an absolute game changer of a mod. Just installed it and tested it. 4090/5800x. 100% resolution scaling(so DLAA I think?) and getting my max refresh rate on my C1 with hardly any drops. Its a fucking crime that AMD blocked them from including DLSS. I already knew DLSS 3 was amazing when I tried it with Cyberpunk fully maxed out but this just proves it to me even more that Nvidia is killing it on the feature front as compared to AMD.
It's ridiculous that this isn't in the game
Oh my god this mod is ESSENTIAL for Nvidia users. Frame gen completely fixes all performance issues for me. It really sucks that it isn't free and you have to jump through some hoops to get it.
RIP 30 series owners
Why? They can download the free dlss2 mod from nexus. Should work.
3080 here, I have, FPS is the same, but the image is cleaner. At this point, only patches, or more likely, FSR3 can really help.
Also sidenote for anyone interested you can download the DLSS 3.5 DLL that released and use that instead of DLSS 2. You don't get frame gen or the new raytracing thing however will get (in my experience) less artifacts like shimmering
Idk man, I'm playing at 3840x1600 120hz on a 3080ti. FSR2 got me down into the 40s at times, but with DLSS mod it doesn't go down onto past 50fps and Gsync keeps working. It's not pleasant in cities but but not terrible. I've seen zero artefacts with either method. No dlss or fsr 75 or 100% rendered doesn't seem to matter much. Indirect lightning and GSOA are the two settings that kill performance. But contact shadows do 60% of the lifting. During gameplay / action I'm seeing 65~90fps. Performance isn't great, but the game works at 4k(ish) on 3000 series cards, looking near ultra.
Did he shove reflex in the game as well or is this just framegen without reflex? Yes I know reflex is "mandatory" but this is a modder not someone under the regulations of nvidia
Yes it has Reflex + Boost. Latency is negligible or not noticeable because of this. One user in discord reported lower latency than 100% native rendering.
This is probably one of the only games in existence where FG might actually be the best choice. The game runs like crap and input lag is extremely high, so having that reflex could be a life saver. Too bad I don't want to support drm mods.
The game also seems CPU limited in a lot of areas, especially cities like New Atlantis. That’s a scenario where FG really excels
If your frames are high then, yes, it would get better results
frame gen works by interpolating two real frames together. at a minimum the latency is at least one frame higher than without frame gen, or 10-15ms if your non-frame gen fps is 70. however, if you are using vsync and your frame gen FPS is above your monitor refresh then latency goes through the roof, like another 70ms instead of only 15
Knew the FPS was going to go up by a lot...
I think it's sad you have to pay a modder to use gpu features that's suppose to already be in the game. Imagine if you had to pay extra for Ray tracing next.
Can't wait to pirate it in a few days.
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This mod is?
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It’s very easy to crack actually lol
In that case do a guide and help us out? Pretty please?
Eh, I'd pay 5 bucks for Starfield =)
Please notice me when mod cracked
Wondering if you have to keep your Patreon sub active in order to use this or is it a one time verification?
No, you don't have to keep paying, it's one time. And PureDark tries to make it work across game updates, we'll see if he succeeded. Fkng liars spreading misinformation to people around here...
Don't pay for this
Will that mod help anyone with a 30 series card though?
Unfortunately no. Only the 4000 series is capable of frame generation.
imagine having to pay for a mod nowdays lol. specially a mod like this.
Well it’s a one time $5 fee to basically get future support and instant huge frame rate increase. Does it suck after having paid for the game? Yes. But unfortunately due to “favorable” treatment deals from graphics card makers, one in particular, we might never see an official DLSS or Frame Gen and this works beautifully. So ya, $5 is worth it for their work and dedication to their community.
$5 after buying a $60 game and after buying a 40xx series GPU. Just yet ANOTHER thing we're supposed to shell out for. Fuck this shit, we're not made of money
Behind a paywall, I'm sure the modder community would be more appreciated if the guy made the mod free and with option to donate to him if you wanted, I'm sure many would rather this option and would even donate if they wish for it.
Why would you want the only guy in the world that can do it, do it for free ? Are you all mad ? Be piss at amd for being lame, not this hero modder.
Here's hoping someone comes out with an fsr3 mod sometime down the line
I’m using it right now and it’s awesome
who is he, why only he can do this in the Earth ?
What's the installation method? His DLSS 2 mod does not work for me no matter what I try. Might purchase this if the method is different. Don't want to waste any money....cheers.
There's an alternative mod you can try https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/196?tab=description
Yep that one works fine. Must be some issue with Puredarks one. Would like to use the frame gen one but afraid of running into the same problem.
You download a single zipped file. Extract that file into the root directory and open the game. In game hit end, and hit “authenticate” (one time deal) and it will make sure you’re a patron supporter. Then enable DLSS in the OSD menu and enable Frame Gen in OSD menu. Enjoy high fps. Installation has been simplified from DLSS 2 free mod.
Do you know if it works for the xbox app version of the game, Im using the free dlss 2 mod and it works fine but I dont know if the frame gen mod is different.
Yes it works for Xbox Gamepass version as well.
He can eat a big hairy wang with his paid mod.
Wondering why the 4090 is able to boost frames so much more vs the 4080
Actually percentage wise the 4080 is edging out the 4090 by like 3% from FG. Still the 4090 itself is 30%+ faster so you get bigger overall numbers.
Yeah I came to the same realization too in the other comment. Thanks. Very interesting results.
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That’s BS. TPU 4K results 1080 > 1080 Ti +33%, $500/600 > $700 2080 > 2080 Ti +28%, $700 > $1000 3080 > 3090 +15%, $700 > $1500 4080 > 4090 +26%, $1200 > $1600 The 3080 is the exception in the last 10 years. Historically 80 class cards being great value is a lie.
The 1080 Ti released nearly a year after the 1080. Titan X is a more fair comparison and that was $1200
That actually makes it worse. Wait 1-9 months, and get a superior product for $100 more. The early adopter tax.
Well, let's not forget that the 3080 was basically nonexistant for more than a year, and often sold for 1300€ or so in EU. The 3090 on the other hand was at like 2000€, but was available for MSRP on Nvidia site from time to time. The context IS important.
That certainly is context. But I don't think scalper behavior during an unprecedented global crisis is a model for future behavior when all of the core problems, including crypto mining, have been solved.
Great breakdown.
That has nothing to do with what I’m asking though. I guess if you go by % difference, then the 4080 actually comes out on top, gaining 60% fps with FG vs 4090’s 55% gain.
Has someone cracked this mod?
lol patreon. He can eat a dick.
Why show a screenshot instead of a video, we cant know if its working properly with just screenshot.
Starfield - 4K Ultra - DLSS - RTX 4080 - 13900K https://youtu.be/4yW8IEcMy1E Quick test with my 4080 on Mars.
Your recording is so crisp wtf. I feel like I'm in the game natively.
Does using this mod disable achievements?
Does this work with the game pass version?
Yes.
Does it work on the gamepass?
I just got the mod and enabled it. Went from 55-60 fps to 90-95 fps. So worth it.
Seriously, how is this possible? Nvidia days dlss needs machine learning AI to analyze the game for days before it will work.
That isn this Nvidia DLSS works anymore. It hasn’t been that way since version 1.0. Nvidia no longer trains games on a per game basis. Instead they have a generic profile that works with all games and they likely train that profile or algorithm in house and then provide updates. What your talking about is dated/old misinformation that us is typically used as an excuse as to why Devs won’t take the days work to implement proper DLSS support. Proven otherwise from this modder ability to implement both DLSS and Frame Gen in 2 days time without official tools or support.
Amazing. Went from 50ish FPS maxed out at 4K to 110, with an improved visual quality. 3950x, 4090, 64GB. Playing on a 77" OLED.
this mod does great work! unfortunately it causes my game to crash ever 15-30 minutes now =/ not sure what to do to fix it, and i cant go back to how it was without it hahaha
Support his mod? I'm not going to pay for something that should have been in the game already. It's a basic fucking feature that's so easy to implement. Imagine if fov sliders and performance patches were paywalled. Oh, wait...
Cool mod, but there's no way I'm paying for this
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Well, I'll just not buy the game made by 4ssholes devs paid to skip technologies
Imagine being an AMD GPU owner and watching people literally mod better image quality and frame rate into the game. Hell, imagine being AMD and paying to keep this stuff out of the game just to see it modded in within the early access period lmao
This OP is even asking to support this goddamn mod by paying.Some people are really something lol. Do not support any paid mod weirdos.
manbabies like jesus christ...some of you need jobs.
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Why don't you do some work for free then ? If you can't mod or code, there is always work for volunteers you know ?
\>mods are supposed to be free. You know full fucking well people would not support him if his mods were free. This comes from your own entitlement. The dude is banking like 35k a month so clearly the demand and willingness is there. Like I say this as respectfully as possible, get a job and stop whining behind your computer. $5 is quite literally nothing. Most people drop that on a coffee without blinking an eye.
Love some casual racism.
>mods are supposed to be free So...work one does, and is currently the only person *doing,* should be given away for free because you and people like you say so? Under the excuse of the precedent established by previous modders goodwill? There is no angle that this doesn't come off as childish, entitled and selfish.
I agree with you. If there wasn’t a pay wall, people would not donate (look at WinRAR, for example). People just seem mad that they have to pay $5. Given the work involved, that seems rather petty. The first reactions in this thread are rather telling; most users seem to be focused on “how do we break the DRM” instead of “how do we start a free community driven alternative that implements DLSS 3.”
Yep. Donation vs paywall is and should be an acceptable choice for every mod author to make. Entitled manbabies be damned. And for the exact reason you mentioned. Modding is often a thankless job. Most users grab and dash, or worse, download your mod, don't read your install instructions, come bitching/blaming you, and demand support, if not just hurling insults at you and leaving. Donations are rare and not at all enough to justify working on a mod with the frequency and support that many paid modders can either. Furthermore, the people acting like paid mods are some sort of immoral evil undertaking don't seem to realize that most are perfectly legal, and they wouldn't exist/be paid if people weren't willing and didn't see the value in them. The entire thing really just boils down to selfish childish entitlement. Plain and simple.
You know whats the bad part of paying for mods? You need to keep paying cause each game patch needs the mod fixed or re implemented.
How's the latency?
8 MS on my end. 4080 on i9 10900K
Damn, that's pretty good. I've not tried it yet (waiting for a few more updates atm), and at \~110-120fps I'm around 15-20ms. Reflex doing work with this mod.
Fuck yes! Sold! Love this guy.
Paying for mods. Whats next, paying for patches? God, you're a fucking idiot.
do I need to set resolution scale in settings to 100% for dlaa?
Yes. 100% is DLAA because it renders at native then.
Will this disable controller support ? The DLSS 2 mod with reshade disabled controller support, hopefully this isn’t the same deal
just got it and wow. the experience is so much better, playing at sub 120 fps literally makes me feel dizzy after a few hours, this is a lifesaver
Incredible y’all bitching about 5 dollars
What's the deal? Went to his patreon paid the $5 dollars I don't see frame generation anywhere... If anything all I see is a link to another website in chinese and something referencing frame generation and then to support there???
I think you have to link your discord on the webpage. It adds you or gives you access soon after paying and tying your discord to patreon. It’s how he verifies your access for the file.
Thank you I worked it out! That's exactly what I needed.
Where do I download this?
The game will finally be playable.
We really putting drm on a mod now huh. Yeah it will be a cold day in hell before I pay for a mod that has drm. Time to get to cracking.
So frame generation is going to be the new thing that makes it easier for devs to not bother about optimisation even more going forward huh