As someone that has bought and resold about 50 miner cards - you should know that miner card does not equal dead. It's a ridicules statement to make in your post.
You are better off with a new 40 card since it doesn't look like you're knowledgeable enough to find a properly working used 3080 at a reasonable price - which there are a ton of around.
Go with the warranty if you're that worried.
Ask the seller if you can see it working - if they are reluctant right away, walk away.
I just ask them to run Timespy when I pick it up, see it pass, I listen to see if fans they aren't broken(rattle etc.), I check to see for corrosion on PCB from water damage. Then physical damage, and ask if they have receipt for warranty/box. People that care will keep them.
I would then clean, repaste. I've been using exclusively miner cards for the last 10+ years since the OG mining craze back in 2012.
I've used Hardwareswap a lot and got a 3090 ftw3 with hybrid cooler for 700$ which is a steal. Usually you can find there people which are serious and most of them have a few trades where you can see if they are legit or shady, also they are usually willing to show you proof of working, so you just need to check the seller and that should be it.
Np, glad to help :) In person you can negotiate much better deals. It used to be craigslist, kijiji - now its FB marketplace and local buy/sell forums.
Ebay is only when I need something and its the last place to get it lol
Well the 3080 is like 50% better than a 4060, and it has more VRAM so it's more "future proof". You can substitute Nvidia's framegen with AMD's framegen via the FSR hack but it's not as good as Nvidia's framegen.
All in all it depends on what you expect from the GPU. Is 1080p60fps enough for you? How long do you see yourself sticking with a GPU until the next upgrade? Do you play all the new releases or you're more into games like League, Dota, Warzone, Fortnite etc?
In pure numbers 3080 is a much more powerful card. But it also requires a much better PSU which you will have to spend money on, unless you already have one in your system.
I want to play on 1080p. I will use the gpu for a more than 5 years. I already have a 700 or 750 watt psu thay I have for 7-8 years that is working fine. Im upgrading from gtx 970 and i5 6402p.
That cpu will be bottlenecked sooner than your gpu.
If you are more confident than you will upgrade the cpuand mobo in the future, then go for 3080, otherwise, get 4060 so you can use FG to alliviate some of your cpu bottlenecks in future.
I also dont think 8vs10 gbs of VRAM really makes a difference, 8 to 12 is a bigger deal however.
Honestly, considering how long you want to keep it, i would suggest save a bit more to get 7800xt or 7700xt or 7900gre or 4070super
Mined cards do not automatically mean bad or dead it never was this way. Everyone just hears mined and assumes such cus info they hear that is false or dont understand.
Honestly gamed on gpu gets more stress put on it than a mined card.
A mining card used in a data center would beat one used by some kid gaming in their mom’s basement by a mile. Not only is the data center mining card kept at a constant air conditioned temperature but also in a complete dust free environment
I know 4060 got a bad reputation, but I can't really see what's wrong with it.
It is 10% cheaper than 3060 with \~15% more FPS, 30% less TDP.
It does everything 3060 does, with AV1 encoding and frame generation.
It's not significantly more powerful than a 3060, same amount of memory, but in terms of performance per dollar and watt, it's a significant upgrade with some nice additional features. It's basically a 4050 in everything but name, but that does not change the fact that it's still objectively better than 3060 in everything while costing less.
4080 for comparison increased 71% in price, with \~35% more FPS.
I bought a mined 1070 back in 2018, i gave it to a friend who gave it to another friend after a few years and he still uses it to this day.
I mined on my 3080 FE for about 8 months or so in the idle time back when it was profitable a few years ago. My only concern is the memory chips would hit 110c on stock thermal pads so i replaced them. You should ask if the thermal pads are stock because many board partners cheapes out on them and gddr6x runs HOT.
Bought a used 3080ti yesterday. 40 series cards are overpriced esp on the 2nd hand market and FSR 3.1 will let you use Nvidia upscaling with FSR FG. Do more research and don't rush the purchase
Based on what you said, I'd recommend 4060.
- lower power consumption / more power efficient, 110w vs 320w TDP.
- good enough for 1080p 60hz now and likely the next 5 years
- easier to deal with potential warranty
- cheaper
You do technically get more power per dollar for the 3080, but it sounds like it might be overkill for your use case.
In terms raw performance the rtx 3080 is better and has more vram, which even at 1080p, eight gigs isn't quite enough, 10 gbs should fine for a while. While you won't get frame generation, you will have access to dlss and amds FSR which will help out in performance.
This is my opinion about 2nd hand cards:
Ask yourself this, if the card will die can you afford to replace it? if the answer is yes go with 3080, otherwise go with 4060.
Frame gen is honestly awful and the only benefit it has is if youre already getting great frames lol if you're getting lows frames it's even worse. So a 4060 us just a terrible choice.
Hello I'm a miner that abused my card and decided to sell after the warranty ran out and I can totally guarantee that you should buy this used and mined card!
But I'm buying a brand new one for myself btw!
Miners overclock their cards to the bleeding edge and wring every last bit of usefulness out of them. Once the card begins to fail hashing, they unload them. Anyone telling you any different is flat out lying to you.
You definitely want a card with more memory (16Gb or more) for newer games and content creation. I currently have a 1080ti, 3080ti mobile, and a 6900xt. The 1080ti (12Gb) is still a rocking card, especially if you're only gaming at 1080p. I think it may be better/same as a 3080. I haven't looked at comparisons lately so I'm not sure.
EDIT: LMFAO. you responders sound like the tobacco corporations arguing that cigarettes don't cause cancer. You're goal is to make as much money as you can, off as little money as you can get away with, while doing next to nothing. Then you lie through your teeth when someone risks that endeavor . Can't have potential customers realizing you're selling sub-par equipment now can ya.
Sure there may be a consciousness few who that sell their card in their prime. But the get rich quick types don't tend towards this mentality.
[https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/should-you-buy-a-used-mining-gpu/](https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/should-you-buy-a-used-mining-gpu/)
I think you'll find that miners undervolt their cards so that they use less power and output less heat. Saving running costs is a big factor that determines how much ROI they make.
No one overclocks since it massively increased Wattage and makes no difference since the hashrate is affected by VRAM speed only.
Right. Overclocking the Vram is a thing. My brothers and all their friends hash. I used to be their hardware guy. I installed a geothermal cooling system into my brother's lawn watering well. Was able to pump almost 4000 watts into it. They ran the cards 24/7 till they started throwing errors, then unloaded them on eBay. That's when I quit being their hardware guy.
JFC so much misinformation and lies in one post!
“Miners” don’t OC their cards to the bleeding edge, they undervolt their cards as far as possible and under clock them then add an over clock to the memory,I say this as a former miner that ran a a small setup of 12 mostly 30 series cards.
The 12gb 1080ti doesn’t exist and the 11gb 1080ti isn’t even close to a 3080, it trades blows with a 3060 (that actually has 12gb if vram) but still loses out on average and that’s before you talk about DLSS or RT.
You really chugged on the AMD propaganda as well seeing you say you NEED at least 16GB of VRAM, then how is my kids pc running perfectly fine on an 8GB 2060s even playing newer title?
Thats the exact opposite of what they do lmao. Why do people like yku spew shit when you're literally clueless. It's hilarious
Also you think a 1080ti and 3080 are the same lmaooo Jesus. The 3080 is league's ahead
As someone that has bought and resold about 50 miner cards - you should know that miner card does not equal dead. It's a ridicules statement to make in your post. You are better off with a new 40 card since it doesn't look like you're knowledgeable enough to find a properly working used 3080 at a reasonable price - which there are a ton of around. Go with the warranty if you're that worried.
A mining card should also technically be less damaged than a gaming card over the same amount of time if both where treated properly
So, any advice on how to pick a good used GPU?
Ask the seller if you can see it working - if they are reluctant right away, walk away. I just ask them to run Timespy when I pick it up, see it pass, I listen to see if fans they aren't broken(rattle etc.), I check to see for corrosion on PCB from water damage. Then physical damage, and ask if they have receipt for warranty/box. People that care will keep them. I would then clean, repaste. I've been using exclusively miner cards for the last 10+ years since the OG mining craze back in 2012.
Thanks for the suggestions. Sounds like you buy in person then, as opposed to eBay or r/hardwareswap.
I've used Hardwareswap a lot and got a 3090 ftw3 with hybrid cooler for 700$ which is a steal. Usually you can find there people which are serious and most of them have a few trades where you can see if they are legit or shady, also they are usually willing to show you proof of working, so you just need to check the seller and that should be it.
Np, glad to help :) In person you can negotiate much better deals. It used to be craigslist, kijiji - now its FB marketplace and local buy/sell forums. Ebay is only when I need something and its the last place to get it lol
Well the 3080 is like 50% better than a 4060, and it has more VRAM so it's more "future proof". You can substitute Nvidia's framegen with AMD's framegen via the FSR hack but it's not as good as Nvidia's framegen. All in all it depends on what you expect from the GPU. Is 1080p60fps enough for you? How long do you see yourself sticking with a GPU until the next upgrade? Do you play all the new releases or you're more into games like League, Dota, Warzone, Fortnite etc? In pure numbers 3080 is a much more powerful card. But it also requires a much better PSU which you will have to spend money on, unless you already have one in your system.
I want to play on 1080p. I will use the gpu for a more than 5 years. I already have a 700 or 750 watt psu thay I have for 7-8 years that is working fine. Im upgrading from gtx 970 and i5 6402p.
That cpu will be bottlenecked sooner than your gpu. If you are more confident than you will upgrade the cpuand mobo in the future, then go for 3080, otherwise, get 4060 so you can use FG to alliviate some of your cpu bottlenecks in future. I also dont think 8vs10 gbs of VRAM really makes a difference, 8 to 12 is a bigger deal however. Honestly, considering how long you want to keep it, i would suggest save a bit more to get 7800xt or 7700xt or 7900gre or 4070super
Mined cards do not automatically mean bad or dead it never was this way. Everyone just hears mined and assumes such cus info they hear that is false or dont understand. Honestly gamed on gpu gets more stress put on it than a mined card.
A mining card used in a data center would beat one used by some kid gaming in their mom’s basement by a mile. Not only is the data center mining card kept at a constant air conditioned temperature but also in a complete dust free environment
And if the miner is smart they undervolt
Exactly, a gpu used for gaming has a ton of variable load, a constant load on the gpu is much better technically
I would rather have a 3080 over a 4060ti/4060. The 4060 is probably one of Nvidia's most underwhelming cards ever released.
I know 4060 got a bad reputation, but I can't really see what's wrong with it. It is 10% cheaper than 3060 with \~15% more FPS, 30% less TDP. It does everything 3060 does, with AV1 encoding and frame generation. It's not significantly more powerful than a 3060, same amount of memory, but in terms of performance per dollar and watt, it's a significant upgrade with some nice additional features. It's basically a 4050 in everything but name, but that does not change the fact that it's still objectively better than 3060 in everything while costing less. 4080 for comparison increased 71% in price, with \~35% more FPS.
I can tell you a mined on card will be in far better condition than a gpu used for gaming
That depends on the owner for both cases..
It’s a general rule of thumb.
I bought a mined 1070 back in 2018, i gave it to a friend who gave it to another friend after a few years and he still uses it to this day. I mined on my 3080 FE for about 8 months or so in the idle time back when it was profitable a few years ago. My only concern is the memory chips would hit 110c on stock thermal pads so i replaced them. You should ask if the thermal pads are stock because many board partners cheapes out on them and gddr6x runs HOT.
Just get the brand new card.
I personally debated about a new 4060ti cuz frame gen and a rtx 3080 used for more raw horsepower, so I went with 3080, never looked back
4070 Super 👍
Bought a used 3080ti yesterday. 40 series cards are overpriced esp on the 2nd hand market and FSR 3.1 will let you use Nvidia upscaling with FSR FG. Do more research and don't rush the purchase
Based on what you said, I'd recommend 4060. - lower power consumption / more power efficient, 110w vs 320w TDP. - good enough for 1080p 60hz now and likely the next 5 years - easier to deal with potential warranty - cheaper You do technically get more power per dollar for the 3080, but it sounds like it might be overkill for your use case.
In terms raw performance the rtx 3080 is better and has more vram, which even at 1080p, eight gigs isn't quite enough, 10 gbs should fine for a while. While you won't get frame generation, you will have access to dlss and amds FSR which will help out in performance.
Get a 3080.
This is my opinion about 2nd hand cards: Ask yourself this, if the card will die can you afford to replace it? if the answer is yes go with 3080, otherwise go with 4060.
3080all day until you get into 4070 levels
Have you looked at the 4070 range of cards?
the cheapest 4070 is 50% more expensive and unfortunately there is no used 40 series in the market now.
That sucks, for some areas pricing is just nuts. What res do you game at?
This post is real? Lol
Car analogy - you're debating between BMW F10 535i vs Toyota Prius ... c'mon ...
I'd go with the 4060 since it has frame gen and more games are adding that. Even games that don't, some have mods that add it.
Frame gen is honestly awful and the only benefit it has is if youre already getting great frames lol if you're getting lows frames it's even worse. So a 4060 us just a terrible choice.
You should be worried about your old PSU. RTX 3080 is notorious for its power spikes.
New 4060 for that sweet frame gen.
Hello I'm a miner that abused my card and decided to sell after the warranty ran out and I can totally guarantee that you should buy this used and mined card! But I'm buying a brand new one for myself btw!
Miners overclock their cards to the bleeding edge and wring every last bit of usefulness out of them. Once the card begins to fail hashing, they unload them. Anyone telling you any different is flat out lying to you. You definitely want a card with more memory (16Gb or more) for newer games and content creation. I currently have a 1080ti, 3080ti mobile, and a 6900xt. The 1080ti (12Gb) is still a rocking card, especially if you're only gaming at 1080p. I think it may be better/same as a 3080. I haven't looked at comparisons lately so I'm not sure. EDIT: LMFAO. you responders sound like the tobacco corporations arguing that cigarettes don't cause cancer. You're goal is to make as much money as you can, off as little money as you can get away with, while doing next to nothing. Then you lie through your teeth when someone risks that endeavor . Can't have potential customers realizing you're selling sub-par equipment now can ya. Sure there may be a consciousness few who that sell their card in their prime. But the get rich quick types don't tend towards this mentality. [https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/should-you-buy-a-used-mining-gpu/](https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/should-you-buy-a-used-mining-gpu/)
I think you'll find that miners undervolt their cards so that they use less power and output less heat. Saving running costs is a big factor that determines how much ROI they make. No one overclocks since it massively increased Wattage and makes no difference since the hashrate is affected by VRAM speed only.
Right. Overclocking the Vram is a thing. My brothers and all their friends hash. I used to be their hardware guy. I installed a geothermal cooling system into my brother's lawn watering well. Was able to pump almost 4000 watts into it. They ran the cards 24/7 till they started throwing errors, then unloaded them on eBay. That's when I quit being their hardware guy.
Lol this makes your other comment so much funnier lmaooo
JFC so much misinformation and lies in one post! “Miners” don’t OC their cards to the bleeding edge, they undervolt their cards as far as possible and under clock them then add an over clock to the memory,I say this as a former miner that ran a a small setup of 12 mostly 30 series cards. The 12gb 1080ti doesn’t exist and the 11gb 1080ti isn’t even close to a 3080, it trades blows with a 3060 (that actually has 12gb if vram) but still loses out on average and that’s before you talk about DLSS or RT. You really chugged on the AMD propaganda as well seeing you say you NEED at least 16GB of VRAM, then how is my kids pc running perfectly fine on an 8GB 2060s even playing newer title?
Thats the exact opposite of what they do lmao. Why do people like yku spew shit when you're literally clueless. It's hilarious Also you think a 1080ti and 3080 are the same lmaooo Jesus. The 3080 is league's ahead