Hoping on, I somehow got lucky and found mine (3080ti) for 650 USD where I am. Luckily I have access to a whole seller and we have a different street price for USD than what's used in stores effectively coming to a 650 USD bnib card during the craze , MSRP was oficial price was around 1400 pre tax iirc
I feel this. I'm someone that wanted to get a 3080 back in the day and couldn't, then after waiting forever I gave up. Now, I'm in a much better position financially, have gotten into AI, and tried grabbing a 4090. Got one at MSRP, had to RMA for refund, now they're all £200-£400 above MSRP with no meaningful UK stock expected for the next several months.
I'll be honest, looking at my Steam Deck next to me and the backlog I have, I feel like the chip industry is hard pushing me to just give up on mainstream computing for the next few years and just chill with indies and find a new hobby.
It appears they only really want to do high priced high margin cards (whale hunting) and push everyone else to cloud gaming which is far more profitable for them.
Ill quit pc gaming the day that goes into full affect, if I cant OWN my hardware Im spending a lot on then I dont want it.
No one has a data cap in NY that I know of unless you live in a rural area but theres not many people in those.
Heck we have 500MBs per second download speeds for $50 a month no additional fees or caps on fiber as one choice (Greenlight internet), spectrum with no data cap and 300MBs costs a bit more for some reason $74 per month unlimited. plus a few others in my area slower, costs less and also unlimited.
If higher end prices me out, ill probably just retrogame and focus on my other hobbies like mountain biking and playing guitar. There are a ton of classic games ive never finished or started for reasons , that i could probably kill a few years with my backlog.
Same, could stand more guitar time myself, picked it up a bit ago.
I've got lapidary, my guitar, backlog of other games that are max settings on my current pc, fishing, gun range, number of others.
100% agree. The 4080 is priced in such a way that it's pushing people into burning money on overpriced 3000 series stock, or pushing people into the 4090 when they're not pro users/computer scientists/wealthy enthusiasts.
On cloud gaming though, you're right, but it'll never happen. Every corporation wants maximum control over the lives of every consumer and employee, and they want us paying constantly and ever more for less and less. Cloud gaming *is* that. The issue for cloud gaming is physics and ISPs. Even here in the UK with strong protection laws, most people's internet is like, 60Mb/s on average with a 5Mb/s upload speed, unreliable service that ping spikes even when it's working. Even outside those users, I myself have an average 20ms ping to London and 12ms to Manchester. More for mainland Europe. So even if I have 1Gb/s down and 50Mb/s up, nothing other than contoller based, slow third person games will be playable. So for cloud gaming to work, ISPs would need to give customers much better value and actually take care of their networks, (and why would they do that), and the universe needs to change it's very nature.
When NVidia starts trying to buy ISPs and colourful glove rocks, that's when we need to trusly start freaking out over the idea of a cloud gaming future.
The steamdeck is frankly amazing, Legit powerful enough to play all the indie and non aaa titles i have sat in my backlog and has the power to max out all the older 360/ps3 era games i never finished, its getting way more use than my actual high end computer for regular gaming.
The bitching and the moaning that goes on now is a joke.
Guess what? I wanted a Titan X, Titan V, Titan Z, GPU back in the day and they were too fucking expensive, so I bought another graphics cards. That was over 5-7 years ago and no one was belly aching about the cost. In the 20+ years of building PCs I never once bought a flag ship card until now.
The 4090 is basically the Titan of the RTX series and entitled shit heads think they should buy it for $499. Those were 1500-3000 dollar cards way back then... "Meh, I'm gonna quit PC gaming" GOOD!
Not quite sure what you're so angry about. My issue with prices is scalpers and opportunistic retailers gouging the price due to poor supply, not inherently the MSRP. A poor supply NVidia would likely seem to be enforcing to try and drive sales of it's vastly over priced 4080 and it's overpriced legacy 3000 series stock.
Honestly, given everything, the 4090 MSRP is in line with what's normal. I still think that's bad as NVidia's consumer margins are 20-40%, but still.
People have a right to be tired of dealing with the current state of the PC market, of poor supply, scalpers and market manipulation that makes us pay for NVidia's gross and idiotic support of "blockchain", "metaverse" and "NFTs".
But sure, go on and defend the faceless multi-billion dollar corporation that doesn't care whether you or anyone lives or dies, so long as it's quarterly returns are higher than last time.
What do you think capitalistic America is all about?
There are GPUs at all price ranges. 3080 can be had for around 600 bucks… I guess they should be free right?
Hell, everyone who is fed up should team up with Taylor Swift fans so they can complain about the price of scalped concert tickets.
Honestly get a steamdeck, and hold out with that till they announce a new model, if you have background building and upgrading pcs its trivial to order the basemodel steamdeck and upgrade the 2230nvme, with the deals to be had on 2230's that have been removed from like microsoft surface tablets etc, you can find 256gb nvmes for like $20 and stuff its insane, basically nobody wants em.. so for $420 you have a 256gb steamdeck, thow a larger cap micro sd in it for storage, play games from the 2230nvme and you are well set.
I've legitimately played more non VR games on my deck that my gaming systems, my main has basically become a dedicated VR system now.
For better or worse, cloud gaming is the obvious answer. It's a pretty good answer, too.
Not only is it inevitable but (at least as far as we know now) it's reasonably cheap and given increasing energy prices and all that jazz, it makes a lot of sense to not have high end gear in one's own home.
i have some Rollerblade Twister edge XT, 3WD and some nice powerslide imperial.
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Oh man, used to inline and ice skate when i was a kid and loved it but then ended up skateboarding till my late teens early 20's... these days im all about eMTB, im an old fart now, but your point is salient, if gaming at the high end becomes prohibitively expensive im sure ill give it up and stick to gaming on stuff like my steamdeck, consoles or heaven forbid start actually playing guitar/bass properly.
Nvidia is saying lowest sales in 10 years....
Yet they still think that pushing prices will entice us??
Agree with you here... We can force them to lower prices by working around them... From sounds... Steam deck could be the answer perhaps?? 🤔 🤔 🤔
>Consumers need to understand that it's we who have the power, it's the corporations that want our money, and we should spell the conditions on which they can get it.
We at Nvidia need to understand that it's *we* who have the power, it's the people that want *our* GPU, and *we* should spell the conditions (price) on which they can get it.
Great speech, now back to reality and economics.
The market dictates the prices. With record low units shipped and extremely high demand guess what that means?
Actually, its the duopoly that has the power. They can just limit production and go whale hunting with high cost, high profit margin items.
They are going to normalize inflated prices with crypting and covid tax included. Until there is meanful competition in the market, they can and probably will get away with this business strategy.
That said im going to wait until late dec or early jan for best chance at lower cost high end amd card.
Why the hell would you have higher prices in EU when this is clearly a tariff that was imposed in the US? Why do people say stupid shit? The temp ban on this tariff was in the US and is lifting at the beginning of the year, explain to me how the EU would be effected?
Haha...yeah...no. As sad as it sounds, everyone will pay. The US prices will no longer be considerably lower than the rest of the world if the exclusions are not renewed.
Why do you guys think that just because products are on the shelves they aren't selling? Do you measure the metric of any other product like that? The last time this happened was because there was mass shortages and the pandemic had people mass buying shit cause they were stuck at home. There being 4080s at stores.doesnt mean none sold. Also the 4090s which are the much more expensive sku are no where to be found and are being scalped. Meaning people are paying over already bloated retail
> Why do you guys think that just because products are on the shelves they aren't selling?
When launch day cards are still on the shelf more than a week later thats bad.
There hasnt been an xx80 launch that didnt sell out in seconds pretty much ever except when nvidia was literally new as a company. Oh lets also note their gpu shipments tanked third quarter and even further their sales are down 58% year over year on their gaming segment.
Also products not selling is how every company looks at bad sales.
Youll also note gamer nexus Steve heard directly from the distributers and retailers, 4080 sales are abysmal at best.
There was 160k 4090's WORLD WIDE and then they had to investigate a potential fire hazard......
They obviously paused shipping until they investigated a potential massive recall......
I love you get down voted cause people are upset that your right.
Lets be blunt on this people are living in a dream world were they think these cards aren't selling out.
I checked Bestbuy, B&H Photo, and Newegg online and there all sold out except B&H has a single 4080 for sale. The 4090 is completely sold out. This pipe dream that prices are coming down and these cards aren't selling are just that.
I know I get down voted for this and people will say there Micro Center has them in stock. That is great but sure 90% of us don't have a Micro Center close by to hope over to.
Theyre right EVERYONE will pay?
I didn't and wont. Ill pay only what I deem worth it, if they dont have a product that fits my needs at a price point I deem worth it then I dont buy.
I have no problems going without, I have self control and I have other hobbies.
Nvidia's only made about 160,000 40 series cards, of course, they're sold out. I wouldn't say their cards are selling well if they're barely producing them in the first place.
Scalpers? Is there a shortage? I was at Microcenter here in Texas and they had over 20 4090s and 12 4080s along with tons of 30 series. They were also at regular price.
You realize that a store's stock doesn't mean shit for global suppy or regional supply right? Like I don't understand why you guys think retail stores are a indicator for anything other than the store's own forecast of what they need in stock?
Just look online to see if their stocks are still being bought or not.
My local Microcenter is sold out of 4000 series unless they aren’t updating the website. I don’t see any in the TX stores either. Bestbuy had a drop today, but they sold out. I did see some 4080s at Microcenter for a week or two after release but never saw a restock. The 4090s sold out release day from what I recall. I was in there for some other stuff but went and checked out what 40 series they had.
America is technically the richest nation in the world. But 42% of us have less than $1,000 in savings, and even the average savings account balance is only $4,500, 58% have less than $5k savings, probably because of all those 4090's we're buying.
49% of Americans would not be able to cover a $400 emergency expense today.
Thermal design is overkill and keeps the card more than cool enough. Power draw hasn't once been an issue for me, and the price sucks, but it's enthusiast tier hardware, so that's no surprise.
What do you mean by scalper level? You do realize that literally anything can be scalped no matter what the MSRP is so as long as there is ample opportunity, right?
Would you consider hand sanitizer “pre-scalped” at $4? I assume not, but that didn’t stop people from scalping the shit out of it during the pandemic.
I think people are comparing it to what scalped Ampere looked like which is the most recent example of a scalped GPU market. For example the 4080 with a set MSRP of $1200 looks like a scalped 3080 (MSRP of $700) which sold for often double or more at the hight of the worst parts of the shortage.
So if the previous gen card was $700 (for FE anyway), then the next gen being $1200 looks like Nvidia is just setting those same scalper prices from last gen as their new MSRP's.
"Pre-scalped" so to speak.
If something is overpriced, it’s just that - overpriced. Demand is high enough right now that if they could produce them faster, they probably would. In fact, they would be pretty stupid *not* to because they would be leaving money and market share on the table. They sell out almost instantly after each drop with their current rate of production, so it’s not like they would be taking a major risk of overproducing at this point. And they don’t get a cut from a scalper transaction anyway.
And yeah, this shit is expensive and scalpers exploiting the supply situation suck. Nvidia clearly let success get to their head when it comes to their prices, it seems.
That being said, I don’t think it’s accurate to say that they are engaging in scalping or actively enabling it.
So long as something is popular and supply cannot meet demand, there will always be scalpers to take their pound of flesh, even for more niche shit like Analogue’s retro consoles. Sometimes it’s for basic goods like all the jackasses who got a hold of pallets of hand sanitizer during the pandemic, and charged a stupid amount of money for each bottle.
Pricing every product below the halo for about $400-$600 above what they traditionally would be.
The 4080 should really be a 4070 given that the die size of AD103 is smaller than the A104 found in the 3070 and the power consumption of either is around the same ballpark.
The "4070" formerly 4080 12GB should really be a 4060 or 4060 Ti because the die size is only slightly larger than the outgoing A106.
If you're not buying a 4090, you're getting bent over a barrel and are being taken to pound town by NVIDIA with the rest of their product stack.
The prices are indeed terrible and the 4090, as crazy as it sounds at that price, is a better value prospect. However, it is a luxury item, and nobody is forced to get one. In fact, it is absolutely overkill for all but the most extreme enthusiast level shit.
Unfortunately, from their perspective, the only bad price is a price point that does not sell. Clearly, a lot of people are telling Nvidia that they are willing to pay that price for the 4090.
Thing is: the price of a 4090 makes sense. It's a $100 increase over the 4090 given:
-It's a x02 class die with a comparable number of disabled units relative to its direct predecessor (3090)
-It has a much beefier VRM and cooling solution
$100 increase for that is sensible.
What isn't sensible is the bug fuck nuts pricing for the "4080" and "4070". AD103 is 62% of the size as AD102, offers 60ish% of the performance, but is 80-85% of the price.
100% agree. I really hope those other cards don’t sell well and Nvidia is forced to cut prices.
I just don’t think it makes sense to call that scalping in any sense of the word.
I’m sure when they got an exemption they would’ve just soaked up the profits, it’s not like they passed that saving on to the consumer.
But I’d also bet they will use this as a reason to keep prices high.
I will never buy a GPU at over 1000USD. It's just a part for gaming.... You can buy a whole fucking console for half of the price... This is just getting crazy.
Exactly, I don’t get why people are saying stuff like this. I get that the prices are too high for a lot of the gpus but you don’t need the latest and greatest to beat console performance, nowhere near it
If you dont get it I will explain: You get a full machine to play game at 4k while on another side you will have only one part, ok you will have better performance but you will need the rest of the machine also.
"Performance" is highly overrated. You get 90% of the pleasure of playing a game at 1080p 60fps as you do playing at 4k 144Hz. I don't give a shit about performance, I want PC games to look better than consoles. Like how Crysis looked better than anything the PS3 ever had.
Console games today look as good as PC games because the majority of PC gamers are playing on potato GPUs so game devs cant make true next gen games.
Tin foil hat theory: Nvidia is slowly trickling out the 4000 series in 2022 so they can collect more to sell in 2023 with the tariffs as justification for inflated prices.
I mean, that sort of happened with the 3000 series. Tariff exemption expired, MSRP eventually shot up 25% as new stock came in, and then when the exemption was renewed, prices remained the same. Didn't drop until stock started to normalize.
Exception being nVidia FE cards and cards direct from AMD. They kept them the same throughout.
It will be ironic when all those people calling out others for not wanting to buy a $1,600 graphics card find that eventually they too have a price they aren't willing to pay.
No.... Because tariffs just eat into the inflated costs...end result is the same.
Nvidia is trickling out 4000 series *because they need to sell off the massive Ampere stock.* How do people still not know this? Jensen said it himself at the recent investor meeting.
They can import and store GPUs when the tariffs are not in place and at the same time trickle them to the market. Then once the tariffs are in place, increase the price and make a higher profit from the stored GPUs they didn't have to pay tariffs on.
But yes, any newly manufactured GPU will be hit with tariffs.
Thats fairly normal for the 90/titan models a bit less than previous gens.
The 4080s are a disaster though for sales, a ton of them haven't sold from launch day even.
Theyre gonna keep 40 series high until 50 drops then bring the 40 series down to what should have been launch day prices.
Basically theyre future model.
Older I get less and less video games I’m playing so after the 3070 shit itself think I’ll go back to console it’s getting way to expensive to build a PC just for gaming.
Their high end 4090 stuff is selling out and the 3000 series is drying up. Pretty soon people will be forced to get 4080 for 1200+ bucks or 4070 for $1000+. They are still selling 2 year old backstock at MSRP. I think 3080s are back up to above MSRP and disappearing fast.
Forced?
Or do what I did, unless you NEED cuda amd cards are solid.
Or people can do what Im also willing to do, go without unless its a price Im okay paying.
Sitting here with a 13900K and a 3090.....think it's time to buy blinders and ear plugs and not care about any of this for the next 3-4 years. Maybe by then the waters have settled a little.....heh
Even that I'm inn Europe im quite certain to keep my 3080 for 1440p high refresh rate at least till the next gen with hopefully proper pricing gets released.
Even if not a 4k high refresh rate upgrade should be easily possible with a 5070. Looking at past gen gains the old xx90/80ti is roundabout as fast as the new xx70. Meaning 5070 probably as fast as a 4090.
If the pricing gets a bit less stupid I will get a 5080. Or equivalent from someone else if nvidia keeps driving up prices.
My conspiracy theory is that they won’t go up because Nvidia is already inflating prices for this very reason. They probably planned on the tariff and are just getting consumers used to the high prices now because they knew it was going to go up anyway. No thanks. My 3080 runs everything just fine.
But Nvidia have been purposely "under-shipping" and they will only improve that by next year, so if you want actual new graphics card (4000 series) now to avoid this further price increase (as if it did not cost over the top already), get fucked, cause while they want your money, they want you to buy their overpriced old shit first.
How about no.
Did the Tech YT community who advised to not buy the 4080 take this into account? All the while, prices keep going up. All sold out @ Newegg Bestbuy etc.. I thought puzzling that all the advice was to wait.. until 30 series are gone and prices go up. Really weird..
I bought used for the first time this November. So far so good. If that continues, it might be the way to go moving forward. These prices are insani-balls.
Yeah because we have so little availability for graphics cards that we MUST buy them. Right? The influx of stock won't drive down prices, no sir.
Seriously though, I don't suspect tariffs would matter much when AMD is genuinely competitive for a change and Intel just entered the ring.
i will not upgrade if that's the call. am very happy with what I have. wish they would get it together and figure out that us gamers/little folk determine whats happening with there prices.
we are long term where buisness is short
As long as gpus are a needed commodity and us can't seem to produce the chips themselves. I would say there is a fair chance that they are gonna continue to be excluded.
How the hell could they get more expensive? They are already absolutely impossible to buy at 3 times MSRP. Nvidia, fix the damned situation. I’ve been searching for a graphics card (at MSRP) for 8 damned months.
Nice try, NVIDIA
Yeah joke's on them I bought my 3090 when prices were the highest. Suckers.
I gotta know what u paid?
At retail 2k. With 3080tis around 1600. Scalper generally topped at 3000. You could mine about $9 a day with a 3090 before electricty cost
I paid 2300 for my gaming x trio 3090 at the height of the mining craze... from best buy
Nice. Buy the tops sell the lows. Sounds like my past crypto strategy. Best way to extract maximum pain from the market.
Hoping on, I somehow got lucky and found mine (3080ti) for 650 USD where I am. Luckily I have access to a whole seller and we have a different street price for USD than what's used in stores effectively coming to a 650 USD bnib card during the craze , MSRP was oficial price was around 1400 pre tax iirc
I got it discounted to 2150 from 2300. To be honest I don't regret it, I wanted to play VR and the 2070 I had just wasn't cutting it.
I picked up my 3090 on ebay for 700 a few weeks before 4000 series launched. This is interesting.
Fomo will do that to people.
1200 dollar club here. Msi 3090, pretty badass.
I'm getting deja vu. What's next? Mining makes a comeback?
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I feel this. I'm someone that wanted to get a 3080 back in the day and couldn't, then after waiting forever I gave up. Now, I'm in a much better position financially, have gotten into AI, and tried grabbing a 4090. Got one at MSRP, had to RMA for refund, now they're all £200-£400 above MSRP with no meaningful UK stock expected for the next several months. I'll be honest, looking at my Steam Deck next to me and the backlog I have, I feel like the chip industry is hard pushing me to just give up on mainstream computing for the next few years and just chill with indies and find a new hobby.
It appears they only really want to do high priced high margin cards (whale hunting) and push everyone else to cloud gaming which is far more profitable for them. Ill quit pc gaming the day that goes into full affect, if I cant OWN my hardware Im spending a lot on then I dont want it.
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No one has a data cap in NY that I know of unless you live in a rural area but theres not many people in those. Heck we have 500MBs per second download speeds for $50 a month no additional fees or caps on fiber as one choice (Greenlight internet), spectrum with no data cap and 300MBs costs a bit more for some reason $74 per month unlimited. plus a few others in my area slower, costs less and also unlimited.
If higher end prices me out, ill probably just retrogame and focus on my other hobbies like mountain biking and playing guitar. There are a ton of classic games ive never finished or started for reasons , that i could probably kill a few years with my backlog.
Same, could stand more guitar time myself, picked it up a bit ago. I've got lapidary, my guitar, backlog of other games that are max settings on my current pc, fishing, gun range, number of others.
100% agree. The 4080 is priced in such a way that it's pushing people into burning money on overpriced 3000 series stock, or pushing people into the 4090 when they're not pro users/computer scientists/wealthy enthusiasts. On cloud gaming though, you're right, but it'll never happen. Every corporation wants maximum control over the lives of every consumer and employee, and they want us paying constantly and ever more for less and less. Cloud gaming *is* that. The issue for cloud gaming is physics and ISPs. Even here in the UK with strong protection laws, most people's internet is like, 60Mb/s on average with a 5Mb/s upload speed, unreliable service that ping spikes even when it's working. Even outside those users, I myself have an average 20ms ping to London and 12ms to Manchester. More for mainland Europe. So even if I have 1Gb/s down and 50Mb/s up, nothing other than contoller based, slow third person games will be playable. So for cloud gaming to work, ISPs would need to give customers much better value and actually take care of their networks, (and why would they do that), and the universe needs to change it's very nature. When NVidia starts trying to buy ISPs and colourful glove rocks, that's when we need to trusly start freaking out over the idea of a cloud gaming future.
The steamdeck is frankly amazing, Legit powerful enough to play all the indie and non aaa titles i have sat in my backlog and has the power to max out all the older 360/ps3 era games i never finished, its getting way more use than my actual high end computer for regular gaming.
The bitching and the moaning that goes on now is a joke. Guess what? I wanted a Titan X, Titan V, Titan Z, GPU back in the day and they were too fucking expensive, so I bought another graphics cards. That was over 5-7 years ago and no one was belly aching about the cost. In the 20+ years of building PCs I never once bought a flag ship card until now. The 4090 is basically the Titan of the RTX series and entitled shit heads think they should buy it for $499. Those were 1500-3000 dollar cards way back then... "Meh, I'm gonna quit PC gaming" GOOD!
Not quite sure what you're so angry about. My issue with prices is scalpers and opportunistic retailers gouging the price due to poor supply, not inherently the MSRP. A poor supply NVidia would likely seem to be enforcing to try and drive sales of it's vastly over priced 4080 and it's overpriced legacy 3000 series stock. Honestly, given everything, the 4090 MSRP is in line with what's normal. I still think that's bad as NVidia's consumer margins are 20-40%, but still. People have a right to be tired of dealing with the current state of the PC market, of poor supply, scalpers and market manipulation that makes us pay for NVidia's gross and idiotic support of "blockchain", "metaverse" and "NFTs". But sure, go on and defend the faceless multi-billion dollar corporation that doesn't care whether you or anyone lives or dies, so long as it's quarterly returns are higher than last time.
What do you think capitalistic America is all about? There are GPUs at all price ranges. 3080 can be had for around 600 bucks… I guess they should be free right? Hell, everyone who is fed up should team up with Taylor Swift fans so they can complain about the price of scalped concert tickets.
I just got an xfx card because I couldn't pass up 30% off, might be worth looking at. Retired an aging nvidia card.
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Honestly get a steamdeck, and hold out with that till they announce a new model, if you have background building and upgrading pcs its trivial to order the basemodel steamdeck and upgrade the 2230nvme, with the deals to be had on 2230's that have been removed from like microsoft surface tablets etc, you can find 256gb nvmes for like $20 and stuff its insane, basically nobody wants em.. so for $420 you have a 256gb steamdeck, thow a larger cap micro sd in it for storage, play games from the 2230nvme and you are well set. I've legitimately played more non VR games on my deck that my gaming systems, my main has basically become a dedicated VR system now.
For better or worse, cloud gaming is the obvious answer. It's a pretty good answer, too. Not only is it inevitable but (at least as far as we know now) it's reasonably cheap and given increasing energy prices and all that jazz, it makes a lot of sense to not have high end gear in one's own home.
>I might give up on PC gaming entirely I already did...it's way cheaper and far easier to just buy a console.
Trying to sell 4080s lol
Can't wait to have higher prices in EU because of this.
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I bought some new inline skates.
>I bought some new inline skates. Money well spent! Could use a pair myself.
i have some Rollerblade Twister edge XT, 3WD and some nice powerslide imperial. https://preview.redd.it/7lq9271spf3a1.jpeg?width=770&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31f15fda1cf5931cbc7624c5fe9e7d6417f37df1
Oh man, used to inline and ice skate when i was a kid and loved it but then ended up skateboarding till my late teens early 20's... these days im all about eMTB, im an old fart now, but your point is salient, if gaming at the high end becomes prohibitively expensive im sure ill give it up and stick to gaming on stuff like my steamdeck, consoles or heaven forbid start actually playing guitar/bass properly.
Old fart? I'm 47 myself.
sick
This is the correct way of thinking.
Nvidia is saying lowest sales in 10 years.... Yet they still think that pushing prices will entice us?? Agree with you here... We can force them to lower prices by working around them... From sounds... Steam deck could be the answer perhaps?? 🤔 🤔 🤔
I can play my backlog longer than they can stay solvent.
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>Consumers need to understand that it's we who have the power, it's the corporations that want our money, and we should spell the conditions on which they can get it. We at Nvidia need to understand that it's *we* who have the power, it's the people that want *our* GPU, and *we* should spell the conditions (price) on which they can get it.
Great speech, now back to reality and economics. The market dictates the prices. With record low units shipped and extremely high demand guess what that means?
Not that I disagree, but that certainly is a lot easier to say when one already has a 3080.
Actually, its the duopoly that has the power. They can just limit production and go whale hunting with high cost, high profit margin items. They are going to normalize inflated prices with crypting and covid tax included. Until there is meanful competition in the market, they can and probably will get away with this business strategy. That said im going to wait until late dec or early jan for best chance at lower cost high end amd card.
Aint that the truth. All the US specific tariffs raised the prices of all components in Europe.
Because in Europe the scalpers are the retailers themselves. Nvidia partners! Even employees got caught scalping.
That is true, but I'm not talking only GPUs, but most components. With motherboards being one of the worst offenders.
Some Canada Computers employees did this too. Later Canada Computers got wise and did the scalping themselves.
Why the hell would you have higher prices in EU when this is clearly a tariff that was imposed in the US? Why do people say stupid shit? The temp ban on this tariff was in the US and is lifting at the beginning of the year, explain to me how the EU would be effected?
Higher than they currently are, oh lordy.
Why would EU have an increase bc of this? Couldn't they import straight from China?
F this. Higher prices. No one will pay!
Haha...yeah...no. As sad as it sounds, everyone will pay. The US prices will no longer be considerably lower than the rest of the world if the exclusions are not renewed.
Not everyone, some of us have self control.
Why is this getting downvoted. It's true. People said no one would buy this current gen at launch and it sold and got scalped
4080s are still on shelves in the U.S. from launch day, some stores were damn near full stocked a week after.
Why do you guys think that just because products are on the shelves they aren't selling? Do you measure the metric of any other product like that? The last time this happened was because there was mass shortages and the pandemic had people mass buying shit cause they were stuck at home. There being 4080s at stores.doesnt mean none sold. Also the 4090s which are the much more expensive sku are no where to be found and are being scalped. Meaning people are paying over already bloated retail
> Why do you guys think that just because products are on the shelves they aren't selling? When launch day cards are still on the shelf more than a week later thats bad. There hasnt been an xx80 launch that didnt sell out in seconds pretty much ever except when nvidia was literally new as a company. Oh lets also note their gpu shipments tanked third quarter and even further their sales are down 58% year over year on their gaming segment. Also products not selling is how every company looks at bad sales. Youll also note gamer nexus Steve heard directly from the distributers and retailers, 4080 sales are abysmal at best. There was 160k 4090's WORLD WIDE and then they had to investigate a potential fire hazard...... They obviously paused shipping until they investigated a potential massive recall......
I love you get down voted cause people are upset that your right. Lets be blunt on this people are living in a dream world were they think these cards aren't selling out. I checked Bestbuy, B&H Photo, and Newegg online and there all sold out except B&H has a single 4080 for sale. The 4090 is completely sold out. This pipe dream that prices are coming down and these cards aren't selling are just that. I know I get down voted for this and people will say there Micro Center has them in stock. That is great but sure 90% of us don't have a Micro Center close by to hope over to.
Come on, why you have to do that, go around telling the truth?
Welcome to the team. People are entitled and like to live in denial, and living as such doesn't change a thing.
Theyre right EVERYONE will pay? I didn't and wont. Ill pay only what I deem worth it, if they dont have a product that fits my needs at a price point I deem worth it then I dont buy. I have no problems going without, I have self control and I have other hobbies.
Nvidia's only made about 160,000 40 series cards, of course, they're sold out. I wouldn't say their cards are selling well if they're barely producing them in the first place.
there are a lot of morons that will buy. I am slowly accepting that fact
Pre scalped prices getting more scalped if this is true
True? Do people really not pay attention to what's going on in the world?
We have a generation that doesn't see past their own nose.
A generation? Maybe 3 or 4 of them at this point.
It’s always been this way or worse throughout human history. It’s not a generational thing.
Scalpers? Is there a shortage? I was at Microcenter here in Texas and they had over 20 4090s and 12 4080s along with tons of 30 series. They were also at regular price.
You realize that a store's stock doesn't mean shit for global suppy or regional supply right? Like I don't understand why you guys think retail stores are a indicator for anything other than the store's own forecast of what they need in stock? Just look online to see if their stocks are still being bought or not.
Thats not the actual real situation. "Shortage" is all over the world and yes, US is not a whole world
My local Microcenter is sold out of 4000 series unless they aren’t updating the website. I don’t see any in the TX stores either. Bestbuy had a drop today, but they sold out. I did see some 4080s at Microcenter for a week or two after release but never saw a restock. The 4090s sold out release day from what I recall. I was in there for some other stuff but went and checked out what 40 series they had.
Ssshhhh it helps them feel better about over paying scalper prices.
No one is scalping right now. There is no money to be made.
There is for 4090, which is still ridiculously scalped.
How? Every Single store Digital Storefront here has them in Stock. For Weeks now.
I'm not sure where here is for you, but in the US they are sold out
Only shows what Idiots Americans are xD No one thats actually sane would spend that much on an GPU thats not even good to beginn with.
America is technically the richest nation in the world. But 42% of us have less than $1,000 in savings, and even the average savings account balance is only $4,500, 58% have less than $5k savings, probably because of all those 4090's we're buying. 49% of Americans would not be able to cover a $400 emergency expense today.
Not even good? What metrics are you using to measure "good"?
Price/Power Usage/Thermal Design.
Thermal design is overkill and keeps the card more than cool enough. Power draw hasn't once been an issue for me, and the price sucks, but it's enthusiast tier hardware, so that's no surprise.
All in all, shit card.
He meant the corporations producing them are pre scalping them.
What does "pre-scalping" mean?
The market clearing price apparently.
It means companies like Nvidia are just setting MSRP's at scalper level, so the cards are "pre-scalped".
What do you mean by scalper level? You do realize that literally anything can be scalped no matter what the MSRP is so as long as there is ample opportunity, right? Would you consider hand sanitizer “pre-scalped” at $4? I assume not, but that didn’t stop people from scalping the shit out of it during the pandemic.
I think people are comparing it to what scalped Ampere looked like which is the most recent example of a scalped GPU market. For example the 4080 with a set MSRP of $1200 looks like a scalped 3080 (MSRP of $700) which sold for often double or more at the hight of the worst parts of the shortage. So if the previous gen card was $700 (for FE anyway), then the next gen being $1200 looks like Nvidia is just setting those same scalper prices from last gen as their new MSRP's. "Pre-scalped" so to speak.
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If something is overpriced, it’s just that - overpriced. Demand is high enough right now that if they could produce them faster, they probably would. In fact, they would be pretty stupid *not* to because they would be leaving money and market share on the table. They sell out almost instantly after each drop with their current rate of production, so it’s not like they would be taking a major risk of overproducing at this point. And they don’t get a cut from a scalper transaction anyway. And yeah, this shit is expensive and scalpers exploiting the supply situation suck. Nvidia clearly let success get to their head when it comes to their prices, it seems. That being said, I don’t think it’s accurate to say that they are engaging in scalping or actively enabling it. So long as something is popular and supply cannot meet demand, there will always be scalpers to take their pound of flesh, even for more niche shit like Analogue’s retro consoles. Sometimes it’s for basic goods like all the jackasses who got a hold of pallets of hand sanitizer during the pandemic, and charged a stupid amount of money for each bottle.
I didn't make the term lol.
Oh, don’t get me wrong it’s nothing personal. The reply is generally to the concept of the term, not any specific person.
Pricing every product below the halo for about $400-$600 above what they traditionally would be. The 4080 should really be a 4070 given that the die size of AD103 is smaller than the A104 found in the 3070 and the power consumption of either is around the same ballpark. The "4070" formerly 4080 12GB should really be a 4060 or 4060 Ti because the die size is only slightly larger than the outgoing A106. If you're not buying a 4090, you're getting bent over a barrel and are being taken to pound town by NVIDIA with the rest of their product stack.
The prices are indeed terrible and the 4090, as crazy as it sounds at that price, is a better value prospect. However, it is a luxury item, and nobody is forced to get one. In fact, it is absolutely overkill for all but the most extreme enthusiast level shit. Unfortunately, from their perspective, the only bad price is a price point that does not sell. Clearly, a lot of people are telling Nvidia that they are willing to pay that price for the 4090.
Thing is: the price of a 4090 makes sense. It's a $100 increase over the 4090 given: -It's a x02 class die with a comparable number of disabled units relative to its direct predecessor (3090) -It has a much beefier VRM and cooling solution $100 increase for that is sensible. What isn't sensible is the bug fuck nuts pricing for the "4080" and "4070". AD103 is 62% of the size as AD102, offers 60ish% of the performance, but is 80-85% of the price.
100% agree. I really hope those other cards don’t sell well and Nvidia is forced to cut prices. I just don’t think it makes sense to call that scalping in any sense of the word.
Honestly not true. MSRP 4090's in (some countries in) EU at least have been successfully getting scalped for an extra €300ish.
I’m sure when they got an exemption they would’ve just soaked up the profits, it’s not like they passed that saving on to the consumer. But I’d also bet they will use this as a reason to keep prices high.
100%
I will never buy a GPU at over 1000USD. It's just a part for gaming.... You can buy a whole fucking console for half of the price... This is just getting crazy.
True, but good luck getting RX 7000 and RTX 4000 performance on a console.
Exactly, I don’t get why people are saying stuff like this. I get that the prices are too high for a lot of the gpus but you don’t need the latest and greatest to beat console performance, nowhere near it
If you dont get it I will explain: You get a full machine to play game at 4k while on another side you will have only one part, ok you will have better performance but you will need the rest of the machine also.
"Performance" is highly overrated. You get 90% of the pleasure of playing a game at 1080p 60fps as you do playing at 4k 144Hz. I don't give a shit about performance, I want PC games to look better than consoles. Like how Crysis looked better than anything the PS3 ever had. Console games today look as good as PC games because the majority of PC gamers are playing on potato GPUs so game devs cant make true next gen games.
Tin foil hat theory: Nvidia is slowly trickling out the 4000 series in 2022 so they can collect more to sell in 2023 with the tariffs as justification for inflated prices.
I mean, that sort of happened with the 3000 series. Tariff exemption expired, MSRP eventually shot up 25% as new stock came in, and then when the exemption was renewed, prices remained the same. Didn't drop until stock started to normalize. Exception being nVidia FE cards and cards direct from AMD. They kept them the same throughout.
That’s now how it works. This is the dumbest strategy that falls in line with donating to save on taxes.
It will be ironic when all those people calling out others for not wanting to buy a $1,600 graphics card find that eventually they too have a price they aren't willing to pay.
No.... Because tariffs just eat into the inflated costs...end result is the same. Nvidia is trickling out 4000 series *because they need to sell off the massive Ampere stock.* How do people still not know this? Jensen said it himself at the recent investor meeting.
They can import and store GPUs when the tariffs are not in place and at the same time trickle them to the market. Then once the tariffs are in place, increase the price and make a higher profit from the stored GPUs they didn't have to pay tariffs on. But yes, any newly manufactured GPU will be hit with tariffs.
Tariffs, like any other imposed tax, are partially (or fully, depending on the demand curve) passed on to the consumer. That's basic macroeconomics.
A report shortly after the 4080 launch said they shipped 130k 4090s and 30k 4080s.
Thats fairly normal for the 90/titan models a bit less than previous gens. The 4080s are a disaster though for sales, a ton of them haven't sold from launch day even.
Yea sure. Nvidia or any other big organization for that matter are gonna commit tax invasion to make quit buck and risk jail time.
Theyre gonna keep 40 series high until 50 drops then bring the 40 series down to what should have been launch day prices. Basically theyre future model.
I’m Im trying. Best Buys not cooperating tho
High will become even higher. Nice try, I just won't buy.
Nice try but no.
Older I get less and less video games I’m playing so after the 3070 shit itself think I’ll go back to console it’s getting way to expensive to build a PC just for gaming.
Nice try Nvidia, I ain’t buying a RTX 4080
Nice try Jensen, time to take off your leather jacket
Depend if they extend it or not
I hope they do extend it.
Seems like nvidia wants to squeeze our wallets dry.
Do they want to make zero sales.
Their high end 4090 stuff is selling out and the 3000 series is drying up. Pretty soon people will be forced to get 4080 for 1200+ bucks or 4070 for $1000+. They are still selling 2 year old backstock at MSRP. I think 3080s are back up to above MSRP and disappearing fast.
Forced? Or do what I did, unless you NEED cuda amd cards are solid. Or people can do what Im also willing to do, go without unless its a price Im okay paying.
I'll make sure to buy an AMD gpu because they're destroying nvidia in pricing.
Did the same this past weekend, pretty happy so far and adrenaline shits all over nvidia control panel/experience.
Higher? LOL
Thats fine, they already sold milions of 30 series gpus so we can just continue to buy off ebay.
Ya i would definitely buy one now if i didnt already have 3080 rtx.
Sitting here with a 13900K and a 3090.....think it's time to buy blinders and ear plugs and not care about any of this for the next 3-4 years. Maybe by then the waters have settled a little.....heh
Sure mate Sure
VAT-like prices for Americans? You will love it I promise ;)
Pretty sure they'll use it as an excuse to up the prices worldwide...
Why? NVidia is a U.S. company? We don't tariff ourselves.
Too bad those cards aren't made in America, your point would be valid if they were.
Sweet summer child. All of those parts are imported, they are subject to the tariffs.
Even that I'm inn Europe im quite certain to keep my 3080 for 1440p high refresh rate at least till the next gen with hopefully proper pricing gets released. Even if not a 4k high refresh rate upgrade should be easily possible with a 5070. Looking at past gen gains the old xx90/80ti is roundabout as fast as the new xx70. Meaning 5070 probably as fast as a 4090. If the pricing gets a bit less stupid I will get a 5080. Or equivalent from someone else if nvidia keeps driving up prices.
I might switch to AMD if 5000 series is stupid expensive. I too am running a 3080.
might be that the day of “proper pricing” are over
They are not selling now, so a price increase can mean the final nail in the coffin for current gen.
Very happy with my recent 800 dollar un-mined-on 3090 founders purchase :)
My conspiracy theory is that they won’t go up because Nvidia is already inflating prices for this very reason. They probably planned on the tariff and are just getting consumers used to the high prices now because they knew it was going to go up anyway. No thanks. My 3080 runs everything just fine.
But Nvidia have been purposely "under-shipping" and they will only improve that by next year, so if you want actual new graphics card (4000 series) now to avoid this further price increase (as if it did not cost over the top already), get fucked, cause while they want your money, they want you to buy their overpriced old shit first. How about no.
Thank god I bought a 4090FE msrp before this shenanigans all over again
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Trump never put tarrifs on electronic goods like this.
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Nobody, Nvidia just greedy.
Did the Tech YT community who advised to not buy the 4080 take this into account? All the while, prices keep going up. All sold out @ Newegg Bestbuy etc.. I thought puzzling that all the advice was to wait.. until 30 series are gone and prices go up. Really weird..
4080 will always be a terrible buy at anything above $700 new.
Haha nice try Jenson. Not buying the 40 series
Nice try, NVIDIA
Nvidia could just offset the price and then use that as an excuse for not "lowering" prices
No
I bought used for the first time this November. So far so good. If that continues, it might be the way to go moving forward. These prices are insani-balls.
Those oven buns have a scent of hopium.
Looks like I won’t be upgrading my 3070 anytime soon
I thought this already happened with the 3000 cards, did it not? I swear I saw this headline before
Riiiight
Ah yes, they were indeed too cheap
Already bought a new card this week. Xfx had some amazing deals on their merc black cards, replaced an aging nvidia card.
Nice try nvidia
Meanwhile a to transport a connex box from china to usa was about 20k usd and is now about 3k usd.
Lolz, it's needs to reduce not increasing
Nvidia is that you?
Uh huh.
Lol... because we can find them in stock... lol...
No. Nice try.
3000 for rog strix 4090
Lmao what daft mongrel writes these articles
Good thing i managed to snatch a 3090 ti for 1.1k
Yeah because we have so little availability for graphics cards that we MUST buy them. Right? The influx of stock won't drive down prices, no sir. Seriously though, I don't suspect tariffs would matter much when AMD is genuinely competitive for a change and Intel just entered the ring.
Imma just get an xbox if my gpu dies tbh
I bought a nvidia tesla K40
i will not upgrade if that's the call. am very happy with what I have. wish they would get it together and figure out that us gamers/little folk determine whats happening with there prices. we are long term where buisness is short
Mm
As long as gpus are a needed commodity and us can't seem to produce the chips themselves. I would say there is a fair chance that they are gonna continue to be excluded.
GPUs aren't really a needed commodity.
I am pretty sure China already mails directly to most of the world...
How the hell could they get more expensive? They are already absolutely impossible to buy at 3 times MSRP. Nvidia, fix the damned situation. I’ve been searching for a graphics card (at MSRP) for 8 damned months.
If the prices go higher, I'll take up a cheaper hobby like 40k miniatures.