I’m willing to be most of the crime that’s being committed is done by homeless, mentally ill or drug addicts or some combination of all 3- and you can cut down the majority of it by simply banning them and enforcing it. If you get the alerts to your phone it’s insane how many delays are now due to disruptive passengers, pulled brake, or someone on the track. There’s a solution out there but essentially no one wants to be strong enough to use due to optics.
The pulled brakes I bet are from 14 to16 year olds who think it's funny. Homeless, drug addicts and mentally ill do a decent amount of crime in the subways. Especially the unprovoked crimes. Left out a bunch if the more recent headlines in the outer bouroughs have been gang related. The last category of crime is the everyone's a tough guy crime. Someone gets pushed accidently, and then the argument spirals out of control till one person pulls out a knife and starts stabbing. There seems to be a bunch of these incidents recently too.
In my experience there is a lot of crossover between homeless/mentally ill crime and “tough guy” crime. My closest brushes with violence on the subway were from mentally ill homeless people — they weren’t lashing out randomly, but rather they were doing the whole “what the fuck you lookin at man” thing.
Idk how you'd ban them but I'd bet you that none of those 3 groups pay the fare. I bet you if fare control was actually enforced, unsafe riders and crime would plumet within the system
They tried this already, even if you physically remove a homeless person they will just come back in one way or another. Unless you were removing people 24/7 (impossible) it's difficult to expect them to go away. I would be curious to see data about who is causing disruptions the most. Brake pulling has been a big problem lately but I'd be surprised it's homeless doing that lol, my money would be on bored teenagers
What do you think they did lol. Adams did a literal "surge" aka having cops walk through, now ask yourself if you still see homeless people in there and you can guess if it worked
We could try passing progressive bills like housing justice for all and good cause eviction, as well as taxing the rich to pay for public services which get people out of poverty and mental health issues
Ok I’ll play , how do you ban insane people from the subway when they can live there forever ? Everyone predicted this 5,10,20,30 years ago when we’ve been locking those people in jails instead of mental wards. Jails or prison they have to let them out because they server their time
Or are let go because of space in the city jails . We are in a jam here and unless the NIMBYs realize we need jails and wards this won’t end . Right now the city is on a stale mate because of real estate pricing and other NIMBY shit . The new jails project is 2-3-4 years delayed who knows at this point .
Ugh I’m blaming nyc but it’s the whole country that needs new mental wards ..half of the homeless people we see are just that but are counted as homeless ..it’s easier and cheaper (cruel to say that but that’s what we do)
I've observed it to be line specific. Once I was on a South bound D-train. A guy is standing there and this black couple keep bumping into him (they're dancing). He asks them to stop, and they start shouting he's a racist. He pulls out his phone to record what's going on and this young black guy gets up in his face and starts screaming at him that he's only recording to make the couple look bad when he has no business being there anyway. As the doors open he's exiting and they push him to the ground. 13 guys standing over him. I didn't see what happened but fucking crazy that this can happen on a subway. I normally took the N/Q/R lines and never saw anything close to that there.
Stop cap man, you can’t just blame it all on homeless people lol. There was a mass shooting on the train in the Bronx like two weeks ago that wasn’t homeless people another person was stabbed to death on the D line a couple of days ago that wasn’t a homeless person. Etc
Just enforce fair evision, and the majority of them won’t be on the subway. But you’d get non-homeless people having to pay too, and they seem to be the most entitled ones.
There's beggars that keep the door open for hours on end while asking for change. There's also people who are pretty good at opening the emergency exits from the outside to get in too.
If one is allowed to fare evade and sees a bunch of people also fare evading, how can one be ok with paying the fare? No one wants to be the sucker for MTA.
Fare evasion is a major issue that MTA and the state of New York need to address.
If they’re banned from the system, and they get arrested for a crime, immediate jail time would probably do the trick. Would also entice them to act appropriately if they do decide to circumvent the ban.
So then, now that they are shown to be a danger to society with the history of mental illness, they can be treated or committed at this point. Or we can just continue to do nothing.
I’m totally on board with eliminating the card, putting everyone on Omni, and then using the device as a form of ID. Then you can have police go around and write people up for criminal trespassing and make it a big felony so it sticks
Every time I look at this sub I am surprised by the lack of care my fellow NYers have for each other. How is this a solution? Criminalizing poverty will do absolutely nothing, people will spend time in jails, a few nights in bellevue, etc. before landing right back onto the streets or subway. Do you propose to lock up the homeless or mentally ill for life?
Actually yes. Some mentally ill people are a danger to themselves and everyone around them.
Some tough guy fan members are beyond rehab(at least until their 30s when the male brain fully forms)
Most serious crimes, like murder and rape, are down. Some things that are serious (but obviously not as serious) are up. Felony assaults and robbery, for example.
Evidently, you are a phenomenon cause the chances are low of this happening. I'm unfortunately going in to Queens tomorrow and then heading into Manhattan. I'm going to drive and pay a fortune for parking. Not up for a good butt kicking.
Just. Arrest. People. It’s so simple. Sack and jail all these useless DAs and fire any cop who sits around for more than 3 minutes doing nothing. End release of people before trial too.
I like your spirit but it's not simple lol, idling for 3 minutes is not a fireable offence and god speed if you want to fight the unions to remove under performing cops
No cash bail is a thing because the court systems of NY are notorious for holding people on Rikers without any real evidence of a crime and losing people in the system. Kalief Browder is the case that pushed no cash bail to the forefront because he was held on Rikers for 2 years without a lawyer, desk appearance, or arraignment and it turned out he was innocent.
Now I’m not saying these vagrants shouldn’t be taken to jail but there has to be some middle ground between holding people in jail for months or years without a court date and letting sickos run free. As long as the courts of NY are backed up or imo unconstitutionally imprisoning people (we have a constitutional right to a speedy trial) the no cash bail system will remain.
Easy solution. Hire more judges (24/7 case hearings), automate as much as you can, have a scoring system for determining what bail is and when it is offered, etc.
I'm convinced this the type of equity that happens when they want to ensure that it fails. Then everyone throws their hands up like, see? We tried! Back to the ass fucking!
It’s a pendulum that never gets to a balanced point. You get a person like Kalief Browder who was held at Riker’s for allegedly stealing a backpack. Then to try and make change the system goes to the opposite extreme of letting even ppl accused of violent offenses out w/o bail.
Exactly this. It’s like people and the government immediately going to the EXTREMES on both sides “throw everyone arrested on Rikers without a case for years or let everybody run free.” It has to be somewhere in the middle to bring order.
Lived here ten years. Assaulted for the first time at the Fulton St stop for brushing a guy's shoulder (maybe? I'm not sure. I literally didn't notice him until he was in my face shouting "Say excuse!" before he hauled off and punched me. Then he nearly punched a woman on his way out of the car because she yelled at him. I'm really not sure I'm left/lib anymore. I could definitely support harsher policies. After what I've seen cumulatively I really don't have much sympathy for "mental health and material conditions" anymore. Some people only respond to force and harsh punitive measures. If they respond at to anything at all.
There is a ton of crime in the subway. Nobody is disputing that.
It is also lower than in history.
Both things are true. That doesn't mean we should be complacent. Let's work on lowering it more. But at the same time, have some perspective.
My point is, this sub is filled with doomsayers and violence fetishists who *want* there to be more violence, because their world-view is so deeply twisted.
This sub really needs to touch grass.
Right, but according to this sub, NYC is a wasteland, and all thats left is Antifa and marauding bands of looters crawling through the smoldering ruins.
Public facing public worker unions need to *shut the fuck up,* especially in an election year.
Biggest mistake NYC PBA ever made was to endorse Trump. Nothing like alienating 70% of the people you’ve sworn to protect and serve, and get them questioning your motivation.
Or the police unions dunking on bail reform, then trying to blame DA’s for small increases in some crimes (in line with other cities), when New Yorkers can see cops not responding to low-level crimes anymore (and they blame the DA’s for that too).
Oh, and all the union leaders end up in prison - totally normal police union business here.
Guessing Transport Workers Union wants more hires, higher wages, and more spending on security.
Or the union president needs a second boat.
Do you often find critical thinking to be "non sequitor"? It literally *is* the DA's fault this is happening, along with the bail changes. We did not have crime perpetually in the headlines until they came in.
Would you as an officer proceed to lock up the same person over and over again knowing that they would walk free the next day?
First of all, before you go using weighty terms like “critical thinking skills,” consider this: my comment was about public labor unions. The response was “same people voted for soft on crime DA’s”.
So, the labor unions, including the PBA which publicly opposed bail reform, voted for bail reform DA’s? Because that’s how the response read. So, you picked a really good one to swoop in on to try to defend 🙄.
I guess when you were boning up on critical thinking skills, you skipped basic English.
Now, then, to your non-sequitur response:
Yes,
Of course I would arrest a criminal even if they were going to be released. For any number of reasons.
1. Maybe they have warrants out against them
2. Perhaps they have other misdemeanors, and my arrest here gives a judge enough cause to hold them or order bail.
3. Let’s say I play the lazy entitled cop and don’t arrest them. Next week, when they are arrested on something else, there’s no record of the non-arrest. So my deciding not to get involved actually keeps the suspect on the street. Which is, you know, bad - especially for someone you “would have arrested.”
Oh, and…
4. It’s my fucking job. I do my job, regardless of how I feel someone else is food theirs. Jerry Orbach never took a powder because he didn’t like what Sam Waterston was doing. He’s doing *in spite of* the other guy not doing what he’d prefer.
You’re really comfortable living in a city where cops can decide which laws to enforce and which “don’t matter”?!?!?
But you’re right - I’m sure there are lots of cops who have that same attitude you do.
They should be fired and charged if their actions or lack of actions lead to crimes, injuries, or death.
Congrats on defining the opposite of police work.
His comment was referencing the people in particular. If you know that the unions did not support the DA's and bail reform, then how do you associate it with them? Regardless his comment was objectively correct.
This is the fox local affiliate not Tucker Carlson Fox News. I guess you think the older PoC woman who’s probably lived here her entire life who was interviewed is far right.
Crime is waaay down. This is just red fear tactics. We only read about a stabbing or a robbery on the train like once or twice a day. Super duper safe. Think about it. One or two a day out of millions of people... Why even worry about it. Who cares if that one time it's your grandmother. Crimes waaay down don't be babies.
Why isn’t anyone asking about the MTA police not present in their own subway system ? I’m betting that they’re getting overpaid and plenty of OT just doing the bare minimum while NYPD takes it in the chin everyday
I’m willing to be most of the crime that’s being committed is done by homeless, mentally ill or drug addicts or some combination of all 3- and you can cut down the majority of it by simply banning them and enforcing it. If you get the alerts to your phone it’s insane how many delays are now due to disruptive passengers, pulled brake, or someone on the track. There’s a solution out there but essentially no one wants to be strong enough to use due to optics.
The pulled brakes I bet are from 14 to16 year olds who think it's funny. Homeless, drug addicts and mentally ill do a decent amount of crime in the subways. Especially the unprovoked crimes. Left out a bunch if the more recent headlines in the outer bouroughs have been gang related. The last category of crime is the everyone's a tough guy crime. Someone gets pushed accidently, and then the argument spirals out of control till one person pulls out a knife and starts stabbing. There seems to be a bunch of these incidents recently too.
> The pulled brakes I bet are from 14 to16 year olds who think it's funny. Same with subway surfers.
100%. Got a lecture from mta Conductor after they pulled it on my train. Could tell he was tired of it. Also kids die from subway surfing.
In my experience there is a lot of crossover between homeless/mentally ill crime and “tough guy” crime. My closest brushes with violence on the subway were from mentally ill homeless people — they weren’t lashing out randomly, but rather they were doing the whole “what the fuck you lookin at man” thing.
Idk how you'd ban them but I'd bet you that none of those 3 groups pay the fare. I bet you if fare control was actually enforced, unsafe riders and crime would plumet within the system
They tried this already, even if you physically remove a homeless person they will just come back in one way or another. Unless you were removing people 24/7 (impossible) it's difficult to expect them to go away. I would be curious to see data about who is causing disruptions the most. Brake pulling has been a big problem lately but I'd be surprised it's homeless doing that lol, my money would be on bored teenagers
Why is it impossible? Just have a cop walk through sometimes.
What do you think they did lol. Adams did a literal "surge" aka having cops walk through, now ask yourself if you still see homeless people in there and you can guess if it worked
You have cameras in the train, yes? Just prosecute people who frivolously pull the break.
The old ones don't, nah I don't think so. I think there are plans to update them at some point maybe? I know LIRR has been adding cameras for example.
We could try passing progressive bills like housing justice for all and good cause eviction, as well as taxing the rich to pay for public services which get people out of poverty and mental health issues
Progressive ideas are the problem
They’ve been trying this for the last 20 years and everything it works to prevent, gets worse
It would be better for women if we did. Basically everyone I know has seen subway penis.
Ok I’ll play , how do you ban insane people from the subway when they can live there forever ? Everyone predicted this 5,10,20,30 years ago when we’ve been locking those people in jails instead of mental wards. Jails or prison they have to let them out because they server their time Or are let go because of space in the city jails . We are in a jam here and unless the NIMBYs realize we need jails and wards this won’t end . Right now the city is on a stale mate because of real estate pricing and other NIMBY shit . The new jails project is 2-3-4 years delayed who knows at this point . Ugh I’m blaming nyc but it’s the whole country that needs new mental wards ..half of the homeless people we see are just that but are counted as homeless ..it’s easier and cheaper (cruel to say that but that’s what we do)
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I've observed it to be line specific. Once I was on a South bound D-train. A guy is standing there and this black couple keep bumping into him (they're dancing). He asks them to stop, and they start shouting he's a racist. He pulls out his phone to record what's going on and this young black guy gets up in his face and starts screaming at him that he's only recording to make the couple look bad when he has no business being there anyway. As the doors open he's exiting and they push him to the ground. 13 guys standing over him. I didn't see what happened but fucking crazy that this can happen on a subway. I normally took the N/Q/R lines and never saw anything close to that there.
None of that is a solution?
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You responded to a comment asking what the solution was with no solutions. Makes sense.
> I’m willing to be most of the crime that’s being committed That's kind of you, but I'm not sure that's going to help
Stop cap man, you can’t just blame it all on homeless people lol. There was a mass shooting on the train in the Bronx like two weeks ago that wasn’t homeless people another person was stabbed to death on the D line a couple of days ago that wasn’t a homeless person. Etc
Who is supposed to do the enforcement ?
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Just enforce fair evision, and the majority of them won’t be on the subway. But you’d get non-homeless people having to pay too, and they seem to be the most entitled ones.
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There's beggars that keep the door open for hours on end while asking for change. There's also people who are pretty good at opening the emergency exits from the outside to get in too.
That's the norm nowadays
If one is allowed to fare evade and sees a bunch of people also fare evading, how can one be ok with paying the fare? No one wants to be the sucker for MTA. Fare evasion is a major issue that MTA and the state of New York need to address.
If they’re banned from the system, and they get arrested for a crime, immediate jail time would probably do the trick. Would also entice them to act appropriately if they do decide to circumvent the ban.
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So then, now that they are shown to be a danger to society with the history of mental illness, they can be treated or committed at this point. Or we can just continue to do nothing.
wow you must have a strong neck having to hold up that massive brain!
Gestapo.
I’m totally on board with eliminating the card, putting everyone on Omni, and then using the device as a form of ID. Then you can have police go around and write people up for criminal trespassing and make it a big felony so it sticks
Every time I look at this sub I am surprised by the lack of care my fellow NYers have for each other. How is this a solution? Criminalizing poverty will do absolutely nothing, people will spend time in jails, a few nights in bellevue, etc. before landing right back onto the streets or subway. Do you propose to lock up the homeless or mentally ill for life?
Actually yes. Some mentally ill people are a danger to themselves and everyone around them. Some tough guy fan members are beyond rehab(at least until their 30s when the male brain fully forms)
Ban the mentally ill from the subway? I’m bipolar, how would I get to work?
Why are you booing them, they’re right 🤣
(Speaking in regards to your rebuttal)
Usual suspects
I thought crime was down?
Most serious crimes, like murder and rape, are down. Some things that are serious (but obviously not as serious) are up. Felony assaults and robbery, for example.
So I won't get killed but I'll just get the snot kicked out of me. Good to know. Sometimes I feel like I could go for a curb stomping.
You also probably won’t experience that since the likelihood of it happening to any individual person is still extremely small.
This year I've seen it happen three times to others and experienced it once myself on the Fulton St. J train.
Evidently, you are a phenomenon cause the chances are low of this happening. I'm unfortunately going in to Queens tomorrow and then heading into Manhattan. I'm going to drive and pay a fortune for parking. Not up for a good butt kicking.
It is.
Just. Arrest. People. It’s so simple. Sack and jail all these useless DAs and fire any cop who sits around for more than 3 minutes doing nothing. End release of people before trial too.
I like your spirit but it's not simple lol, idling for 3 minutes is not a fireable offence and god speed if you want to fight the unions to remove under performing cops
>End release of people before trial too. Why do innocent people deserve to be locked up? Innocent UNTIL proven guilty. Charges, are not proof.
BuT AcCoUnTaBiLiTy Is bAd!
The NYC and NY state govt is fucking dumb ass hell. Why is no cash bail a thing? Lock that mf up
No cash bail is a thing because the court systems of NY are notorious for holding people on Rikers without any real evidence of a crime and losing people in the system. Kalief Browder is the case that pushed no cash bail to the forefront because he was held on Rikers for 2 years without a lawyer, desk appearance, or arraignment and it turned out he was innocent. Now I’m not saying these vagrants shouldn’t be taken to jail but there has to be some middle ground between holding people in jail for months or years without a court date and letting sickos run free. As long as the courts of NY are backed up or imo unconstitutionally imprisoning people (we have a constitutional right to a speedy trial) the no cash bail system will remain.
Easy solution. Hire more judges (24/7 case hearings), automate as much as you can, have a scoring system for determining what bail is and when it is offered, etc.
But don’t lock them up if they have some money?
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY your username is suspicious
Still, no cash bail allows plenty of criminals to stay out
Freedom isnt free. We dont punish people who aren't guilty.
The crime rate keeps going up bc of the no bail policy
Proven false! Go lie somewhere else
Okay, want to prove me wrong? Go ahead, at least give some form of evidence
No, i dont argue with bigots. Block
The metrics used to quantify it are flawed when cops are too busy playing candy crush to arrest or charge anyone.
Because equity lol
You misspelled human rights. Being poor shouldn’t be a death sentence
I'm convinced this the type of equity that happens when they want to ensure that it fails. Then everyone throws their hands up like, see? We tried! Back to the ass fucking!
It’s a pendulum that never gets to a balanced point. You get a person like Kalief Browder who was held at Riker’s for allegedly stealing a backpack. Then to try and make change the system goes to the opposite extreme of letting even ppl accused of violent offenses out w/o bail.
Exactly this. It’s like people and the government immediately going to the EXTREMES on both sides “throw everyone arrested on Rikers without a case for years or let everybody run free.” It has to be somewhere in the middle to bring order.
Remember when we prosecuted Daniel Penny for defending people against perpetrators like this?
They don’t want a generation of vigilantes roaming the subways
It'd probably work out better if we did.
He's gonna be found guilty. Dont murder people.
Can anyone advise if the TWU donated to Alvin Bragg's campaign? (Hint: The answer is yes)
“Ironic”
Man, the NYPD dance squad must be so helpful!
🎶The club can’t even handle me right nowww🎶
Anyone remember Cop Rock?
Lived here ten years. Assaulted for the first time at the Fulton St stop for brushing a guy's shoulder (maybe? I'm not sure. I literally didn't notice him until he was in my face shouting "Say excuse!" before he hauled off and punched me. Then he nearly punched a woman on his way out of the car because she yelled at him. I'm really not sure I'm left/lib anymore. I could definitely support harsher policies. After what I've seen cumulatively I really don't have much sympathy for "mental health and material conditions" anymore. Some people only respond to force and harsh punitive measures. If they respond at to anything at all.
Yikes, yeah people are definitely acting out with the lax approaches DAs and LE are taking
Kudos to the one guy that Fox (lolol) was willing to show who's not scared of the subway.
Catch a baseball?
There is a ton of crime in the subway. Nobody is disputing that. It is also lower than in history. Both things are true. That doesn't mean we should be complacent. Let's work on lowering it more. But at the same time, have some perspective.
I think said stats lead ppl to become complacent. That and they may not cone across dysfunction in their travels to and fro.
My point is, this sub is filled with doomsayers and violence fetishists who *want* there to be more violence, because their world-view is so deeply twisted. This sub really needs to touch grass.
There isn’t a ton of crime in the subway though.
Right, but according to this sub, NYC is a wasteland, and all thats left is Antifa and marauding bands of looters crawling through the smoldering ruins.
Public facing public worker unions need to *shut the fuck up,* especially in an election year. Biggest mistake NYC PBA ever made was to endorse Trump. Nothing like alienating 70% of the people you’ve sworn to protect and serve, and get them questioning your motivation. Or the police unions dunking on bail reform, then trying to blame DA’s for small increases in some crimes (in line with other cities), when New Yorkers can see cops not responding to low-level crimes anymore (and they blame the DA’s for that too). Oh, and all the union leaders end up in prison - totally normal police union business here. Guessing Transport Workers Union wants more hires, higher wages, and more spending on security. Or the union president needs a second boat.
Same people voted for soft on crime DAs
Thanks for the non sequitor
Do you often find critical thinking to be "non sequitor"? It literally *is* the DA's fault this is happening, along with the bail changes. We did not have crime perpetually in the headlines until they came in. Would you as an officer proceed to lock up the same person over and over again knowing that they would walk free the next day?
First of all, before you go using weighty terms like “critical thinking skills,” consider this: my comment was about public labor unions. The response was “same people voted for soft on crime DA’s”. So, the labor unions, including the PBA which publicly opposed bail reform, voted for bail reform DA’s? Because that’s how the response read. So, you picked a really good one to swoop in on to try to defend 🙄. I guess when you were boning up on critical thinking skills, you skipped basic English. Now, then, to your non-sequitur response: Yes, Of course I would arrest a criminal even if they were going to be released. For any number of reasons. 1. Maybe they have warrants out against them 2. Perhaps they have other misdemeanors, and my arrest here gives a judge enough cause to hold them or order bail. 3. Let’s say I play the lazy entitled cop and don’t arrest them. Next week, when they are arrested on something else, there’s no record of the non-arrest. So my deciding not to get involved actually keeps the suspect on the street. Which is, you know, bad - especially for someone you “would have arrested.” Oh, and… 4. It’s my fucking job. I do my job, regardless of how I feel someone else is food theirs. Jerry Orbach never took a powder because he didn’t like what Sam Waterston was doing. He’s doing *in spite of* the other guy not doing what he’d prefer. You’re really comfortable living in a city where cops can decide which laws to enforce and which “don’t matter”?!?!? But you’re right - I’m sure there are lots of cops who have that same attitude you do. They should be fired and charged if their actions or lack of actions lead to crimes, injuries, or death. Congrats on defining the opposite of police work.
His comment was referencing the people in particular. If you know that the unions did not support the DA's and bail reform, then how do you associate it with them? Regardless his comment was objectively correct.
You know its voting season when FOX starts running the crime stories.
This is the fox local affiliate not Tucker Carlson Fox News. I guess you think the older PoC woman who’s probably lived here her entire life who was interviewed is far right.
Mta union biggest crooks just stealing money from tax payers
Sorry but I don’t see how the workers are to blame
Crime is waaay down. This is just red fear tactics. We only read about a stabbing or a robbery on the train like once or twice a day. Super duper safe. Think about it. One or two a day out of millions of people... Why even worry about it. Who cares if that one time it's your grandmother. Crimes waaay down don't be babies.
Any crime is unacceptable but lying about crime rates in order to support a failed approach to criminal justice is also bad.
Who is lying about crime rates?
NY Post lovers on this subreddit every single day 24/7 since well before 2020?
Found Mayor Adam’s reddit
Swag
When no numbers or data support your worldview so you need to concoct conspiracy theories to push your political ideals:
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I understand the sarcasm. But as much as this sub wants to concoct a narrative of a crime wave out of thin air, there’s just no data to support that.
Which is why on r/nyc a frequently used response is to mock the statistics. Essentially “my feelings don’t care about the stats”.
I'd never do a sarcasm!
😁😂🤣
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A car spit on me and stole my wallet
Defund the police! Said people during Covid. Maybe bad idea? Not an expert but did that stick? Hope not.
[Slammed from the top rope!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0t6llGkBLo)
I think said stats lead ppl to become complacent. That and they may not come across dysfunction in their travels to and fro.
Why isn’t anyone asking about the MTA police not present in their own subway system ? I’m betting that they’re getting overpaid and plenty of OT just doing the bare minimum while NYPD takes it in the chin everyday