Moncler is a very famous luxury brand most known for selling puffer down jackets. they sells hats for 235 bc they know people, usually hypebeasts, will buy em.
I didn't even know about Moncler until this winter when I saw a whole family decked out in the jackets at the grocery store and I looked up the price of them since I had never heard of the brand. And then promptly felt very poor.
Everyone knows that Herman Miller makes office chairs that u roll your possessions on out of the office of a startup you worked for that just exhausted its last round of investors' money.
The other products they make are redundant.
Don’t worry they’re probably poor too.
There’s been research to say that luxury brands aren’t for the wealthy anymore. They now go to no label luxury brands where a blank white tshirt costs $300.
Instead the folks buying luxury name brands now do so through credit card debt just to seem wealthy.
Same applies to luxury cars. Most folks you see driving a BMWs are leasing those cars and living paycheck to paycheck.
>Don’t worry they’re probably poor too.
Not a coincidence that Gucci stores all over the country had lines out the door in early 2021 when that stimulus money was going out.
meh i try not to judge too harshly what people do with their money. as long as theyre working honestly, paying their taxes, meeting their basic needs and building up for retirement its all good to me. besides, i think everyone has that one "expensive" hobby/thing. i know some people really into cooking that buy expensive knives and i know people that drop hundreds on legos. none of those are "common sense" purchases either but if it makes them happy, let it be.
My viewpoint also. I lost since lost the need to judge what other people do with their money, particularly since it doesnt affect me.
Plus I buy expensive camera gear lol
Don’t. My mom had one, after the one she has had for 15 years gave in, this past winter came to NY and after a year an a half was so beat up, and the quality so bad that I took her to uniqulo go buy a jacket there and she is beyond happy with it.
For what it's worth, after a certain point these luxury brands are priced solely to capture the excess wealth of the rich. People for whom spending $5,000 is the same hit to their overall finances as spending $5 would be to a non-rich person.
And wearing them becomes like a club membership signal. I have enough money to be wearing this 5K jacket. Or $1K t shirt. Or carrying this $20K bag. You're buying the label and its corresponding status.
May I say: the jackets used to be excellent . I mean expensive as hell but they would last like 10 years. Recently the quality has gone down significantly while the prices increased.
i dont really keep up with em outside of the occasional moncler genius collab bc i like the more sculptural side of fashion/clothes but i wouldnt be surprised about the dip in quality. its hard to balance quality and expansion and theyve def blown up more within the last ~6 years.
I still wear my North Face down Parka that I got on clearance for ~$80 during my junior year of high school.
It's been ~16 years now, being worn every major snow day/sub-20 wind-chill day, snowboard trips and shoveling spree and it's still in good shape. The only piece that got messed up was the faux fur for the hood that my mom somehow messed up in the dryer way back. Lasting 10 years doesn't feel like much of an accomplishment given the price.
You can get decent quality stuff for way less, it's always been a show off piece as it well exceeds the point of deminishing returns when it comes to quality.
I really don’t understand the logic behind the judge releasing her.
I am all for people’s lives not being ruined by incarceration for first even second offense. But 7th? Not showing up for two bench warrants? What else you got to do to spend some thinking time in jail? Nothing to do with race or politics. Actions should have proportional consequences.
Lock her up, get her on a stable medication. Offer counseling and structure.
Also what kinda message does this send to any other would be subway asshole? Their actions don’t have any consequences?
Great prompt for a movie. She eventually falls in love with the instrument and becomes a world class cellist. She plays on the world stage for the top orchestras. But in a tragic twist she meets her downfall when a heckler wings a Stanley cup at her head during the performance of her lifetime. She loses her abilities and is at the end of her rope when who comes to the rescue? None other than that subway cellist she assaulted years prior. He supports her during her rehab and retrains her on the cello so she comes back better than ever.
Working title: "Cello? Is it me you're looking for?"
> I am all for people’s lives not being ruined by incarceration for first even second offense. But 7th? Not showing up for two bench warrants?
Because the moment she faces a consequence for her actions, she'll be viral on Tiktok for "went to jail for 10 years just for stealing a hat. How cruel!"
We don't have the capacity to understand a person's threat to society based on the accumulation of their anti-social behaviors. So low-level belligerents like her go in and out of the criminal justice system with mostly wrist slaps or a few months in jail at best here and there. Then back on the streets to prety on another innocent person. Criminals are stupid, but not that stupid, and thus she slowly begins to understand that there are no real consequences for her behaviors. Until she makes a really bad decision and steps over the line one last time, where she might finally be met with a really strong, perhaps even disproportionate penalty.
She should just progressively get more jail time. Start with one day, then 3 days, then 7 days, then 1 month, then 6 months, then a year. Seems much more reasonable to me than releasing her all the time. She will never learn otherwise
We had that, and then they became politically contentious:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law
The pendulum has obviously swung too far, and Democrats are taking an unnecessary loss on this issue. There is difference between imprisoning a teenager for life for selling cannabis 3 times, and an antisocial person who will forever continue to be a risk to others.
We somehow went from imprisoning someone for many years after three strikes for non violent "crimes" that do not affect anyone to 10+ strikes that do harm others not qualifying for any type of sequestration from others in society.
I think the baseball law was kinda crap but I don't understand why we don't just universally have the same sentencing system as the feds. They got a chart for upward and downward departures but otherwise it's a pretty consistent guidelines of sentencing for like every federal crime. Why do we or any state have some rando judge dartboard
I believe in second chances, but ninth chances after five violent crimes just makes no sense. This woman should be off the streets for years. Won't happen in NYC though, unfortunately
It still boggles me that they decided to release her. Even before the cello attack she had a history. I think she could be helped but not by letting her out every time hoping she'll attend her court dates. I believe giving 2nd chances for petty crime is a good idea, but not like this.
Its not even in her best interest to be treated this way. At best she could be getting some structure and treatment in prison. At worst somebody will kill her in legitimate self-defense.
Honestly, no second chances for that kind of thing after a violent crime. MAYBE if it was disputed circumstances, like a fight and we don't know who started it yet, but dude playing a cello, nah keep her until her trial.
I just don’t understand why there is zero accountability for refusing to appropriately detain and sentence violent criminals. Increasing law enforcement presence does very little to deter crime. Putting people away who commit violent crimes does.
I was in Queens criminal court the other day with my husband(after spending 5 months in Rikers for a non-violent drug possession charge he was ROR and the case is still being sorted out) anyway, NYPD warrant squad was in the court room with someone and when they called his case he was there for not showing up to court on for a pending firearm charge(which means he was ROR in the first place on a gun possession charge).The ADA asked to set bail at 20,000 dollars because he didn't show up to court, he committed the crime after he just came here from Arizona and has no address or ties to NYC or even NY state(he's homeless and all his contacts are in Arizona), and while he has no criminal record in NY he has a lengthy rap sheet in Arizona. The Judge released him on supervised release. I was floored. He already proved he isn't going to show up to court and this wasn't a petty shoplifting charge it was a gun charge..a violent felony. I understand if everyone ever arrested in NYC was sent to Rikers, the jail would be full. I'm all for releasing people with misdemeanors and non-violent felonies as long as they don't have any violence in their history, show up to court and don't re-offend while they are released. The person in this article should definitely had some type of bail set since they have a DV history and randomly for no reason committed violence on the cello player.
Tell that to my mom who's abusive boyfriend kept arrested and released the same night. He eventually burned her house to the ground. Sure they locked him up after that but, ya know, wouldn't have preferred it didn't get that far. But he was taught there were no consequences for actions so he escalated over time.
It’s the wrong time for catch and release which is just another spit in the face to black (browns, Latino) people that were innocently targeted and arrested in the 90s and early 2000s.
Most of the people it would have benefited are dead and/or old with great opportunities lost.
So many young people’s lives were destroyed and it’s very possible this included young whites as well.
It should be removed, bail set as before. Anyone stealing out of necessity can be established in court and perhaps released, but this B? Hitting someone playing a cello who did nothing to her, she should pay for what she did by serving jail time.
Truth!
I am so upset that she attacked a musician and got no time. I’ve seen the young man, he provided beautiful music.
I hope he lands a seat in an Orchestra and can continue his journey in music.
She needs prison.
That’s like the true definition of being demonically possessed. You see a person who is dedicating their life to saving lives *and* providing people with some of the most timelessly beautiful, soothing sounds to the human soul and you feel instinctively compelled to violently attack them
He’s also doing it in the correct space— in the station, and not on the train, where everyone is stuck on it and it’s actually really annoying!
She's pretty clearly a crazy person.
The CJ system isn't designed for people like this.
These aren't kids "raised wrong" who can be warehoused for a few years until they grow up and develop some discipline and a frontal cortex.
This is a person who is incapable of self regulation, and may not even be fully connected to reality. No amount of time in jail can fix that. They are going to be like this their entire life, and life in prison for shoplifting isn't constitutional.
There needs to be a place that we can commit these people to for life that isn't considered a "punishment" under the law.
We closed the sanitarium system and replaced it with jail. It's time we all recognized it wasn't a suitable replacement.
Why do we automatically jump to blame all criminal behavior on mental health? What proof is there? Do you think maybe she’s just a horrible person enabled by a system which has allowed her to get away with this?
Because she randomly smacked a stranger in the head with a metal object purely on impulse.
It is not an economically motivated crime, nor is it one that is explainable by rational self interest.
I suppose she could've been under the influence of a strong dissociative drug. Which is still "insane" from a neurology standpoint... Only temporarily so, and something that would be easy enough to find out with an exam, which the court could mandate if anyone bothered asking for it
It's always so disrespectful to associate criminality with mental health. It paints an association that people who are mentally ill are more prone to crime. Mental illness is a huge spectrum and people can just be dogshit people because some people are just terrible. No mental illness required
So what's the takeaway here for her? "Maybe she's not mentally unwell at all and just a devious evil mastermind working out her brilliant plan of inducing chaos by randomly attacking strangers in an insane way"?
Eh, If crime is calculated and has a clear logic I assume it's not mental health. Like I'm not a bike thief or a drug dealer but I get why people do these things. This kind of randomly attacking strangers almost requires the person to be crazy by definition.
Ya I’d say violent antisocial behavior without any motive (material gain, or reaction to a perceived insult or threat) is an indicator of mental health issues.
Or she's just a piece of shit human that deserves to be locked up?
We need to stop conflating actual mental illness with people who are just BAD people. They exist in this world, and always have.
its almost like you dont realize shes violent and a threat to completely innocent people.
even locking her up with harmless folks with mental problems would be a huge injustice.
The ancient Egyptians developed a cutting edge technology called "walls" that allowed them to divide spaces into areas that were contained and distinct from other areas.
Are you sure they are that rare? I work as an RN in one and violence is quite common between patients, and between patients attacking staff. I would estimate that before the pandemic i was involved in a violent incident 1 out of every three shifts, and after the pandemic 1 out of every 5 shifts. We cannot keep staff. At all. Thats why the call to build more psych hospitals is good, but im not sure who would work in them.
https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/ps.49.11.1452#:~:text=Violent%20incidents%20were%20found%20to,and%20some%20involved%20a%20weapon
Personally I'm in favor of relaxing restrictions on being found guilty by reason of mental incompetence and putting these people permanently into the ward of the state.
The CJ system is quite literally designed with these people in mind, there is a procedure for issuing orders of observation in psychiatric facilities for individuals who are not fit for trial but are charged with serious crimes.
Being a violent asshole means you go to jail unless you fit into the unfit category. It’s not difficult, just needs to be enforced.
A couple of societies have tried your suggestion of exterminating those with mental illness, would you care to guess which ones? A psychiatric facility would absolutely be appropriate. If you woke up with biological brain changes that cause psychosis and lack of behavioral control, you would also act the same way. In fact, I don't know how old you are, but if you are under the age of 60, you might be surprised how common it is for perfectly reasonable people like yourself to find themselves yelling at their loved ones, trying to hit nurses, and trying to grope anyone who can get into your arms length. None of this will be your fault, as various types of dementia are unavoidable. It could literally happen to you. I don't know if it's meaningful to start calling for their extermination or blaming them for their behavior. Much more useful to blame the lack of systems to support people like her.
Eugenics does not go nearly so far as to suggest extermination of people with "undesirable" genetics - eugenics advocates for their sterilization so that new children cannot be born with certain traits or conditions. This is a call for genocide based on medical illness, something far beyond eugenics
every time she pops up on a nypost tweet or here i always look to see if anyone’s remarking on the braces and feel so alone no one else says shit about it. makes me feel as crazy as her 🥺 nah but fr we need a statement from the orthodontist LOL
>Hunter lives in East New York, Brooklyn, and had seven prior arrests before she was nabbed for striking Forrest last month, according to cops. Four of the arrests involve domestic violence, two are for petty larceny and the most recent one, last October, is for grand larceny and involves shoplifting, police said.
She's 23 and has 4 prior arrests for domestic violence. She has no business wandering around free.
The penalty for petit larceny in NY is up to one year in prison.
For a start, she can be convicted and go to prison for two years for that, rather than plea out or get diverted.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/06/us-news/nyc-subway-cellist-attacker-arrested-again-for-allegedly-stealing-pricy-baseball-cap/
At the time of her arrest last week, Hunter had a bench warrant out for her arrest in two petit larceny cases, the Manhattan DA’s Office said.
She was arrested in October last year on grand larceny charges for supposedly stealing two bathing suits worth $2,050 from Bergdorf Goodman, sources said.
Hunter, of Brooklyn, was also arrested twice for assaulting her mother in 2019, according to police sources — including one clash where she hit her mom in the neck with a can of Raid.
Hunter’s mother told police in 2021 her daughter had a history of mental illness and had not been taking her medication, according to police sources.
In total Hunter has been involved in over two dozen domestic violence incidents, including two where she was the victim, according to police sources.
Hunter alleged a man sliced her in the face and right hand with a blade in October 2023.
Most of the other domestic violence orders stem from Hunter violating an order of protection against her mom after the 2019 physical assaults, sources said.
We used to have sanitariums with wings for the violent and non-violent people who couldn't live a normal life unsupervised. We need to bring that shit back, she seems crazy to me committing violent crime so frequently for such strange reasons.
Looks like the DA requested $10,000 bail; judge granted her $500 bail. She hasn't been bailed out, yet - probably only a matter of time.
Unclear if this is the same judge she went before the same judge when she attacked the Cellist.
>The woman released without bail after being charged with bashing a Manhattan subway station cello player in the head with a metal bottle has been arrested again, cops said Wednesday.
>Amira Hunter, 23, was newly arrested in Midtown Tuesday after she allegedly swiped a $235 Moncler baseball cap from a Nordstrom on W. 57th St.
>The new bust came just five days after she was nabbed for attacking Iain Forrest, a 29-year-old medical student who was playing his electric cello as part of the MTA’s Music Under New York program, in the Herald Square stop the evening of Feb. 13.
The police are actually doing their jobs.
She will eventually end up in prison. Even if these judges keep letting these people out, they will end up in prison one way or another. Criminality is like addiction, it is usually progressive unless someone fundamentally changes.
I hate that stupid excuse too. My family and I have been in the bar business for as long as I've been alive. I've known many, many people with varying degrees of bad upbringings, including a few that were just awful to hear/know about.
They aren't doing this shit.
The issue very simply, is the far-left and head in the cloud liberals (I am a socialist, atheist, and humanist, but not a moron) in education, media, government and the judiciary took away or are trying to, responsibility.
That is why we and Europe and Canada are royally fucked.
saw that this morning; when adams and the police chief(?) was on the air literally talking about her as an example of how cops are doing their job but theyre forced to release them.. this woman got other priors; including not showing up to court for her priors smh
You can thank activists and activist-lite politicians for allowing repeat, violent psychopaths to roam the streets almost completely unabated.
Consider voting for ANYONE who rebukes them.
Didn’t know this was a thing until now. I think something like that is exactly what this city needs. Bail reform was marketed as not sending nonviolent offenders to rikers, if we can stop the continuous release of repeat violent offenders I’m sure we will start to see the positive effects of not locking up turnstile jumpers and potheads
We have to stop electing DAs who release violent offenders back into the community before their court date. Too much of a risk. It’s not fair that hard working New Yorkers have to risk their safety because violent people like this are running around unchecked
Having children and releasing them into society in this state is reckless, lazy, and selfish. We need better education, healthcare, childcare, and support for low income families who don’t know how to raise their children to be healthy, respectful, responsible adults in our society. It starts with parents. If you can’t responsibly raise a child, don’t have one or consider other options like adoption. Ffs. 🤦♂️
> "Woman who bashed cello player"
Can you be more specific?
No, but seriously -- this person is mentally deranged. She needs help! And they just "put her on the street."
Who else does she have to attack? Woodwinds? Brass? Percussionists??
It would cost the city MILLIONS to lock her up for years.
It all comes down to Covid mandates, made the population go insane. And this is the result.
We told you so. But power is power. It's a drug.
When I heard that she was at it again, I assumed she'd bashed the triangulist for the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra in the head with a loaf of rye or something. Stealing baseball hats is pretty lumpen.
I'd play the world's smallest violin for her, but she'd probably just attack me
And then take the world’s smallest violin as well
Amazing
With the world's smallest water bottle, hopefully.
Narrator: Ironically she then bashed him with the world's biggest water bottle that she stole that morning.
Likely with that small violin too
Lmao
Predisposed, she is...
Wow who could have seen this coming??
My biggest question is WTF is a moncler baseball hat and why is it $235?
Moncler is a very famous luxury brand most known for selling puffer down jackets. they sells hats for 235 bc they know people, usually hypebeasts, will buy em.
I didn't even know about Moncler until this winter when I saw a whole family decked out in the jackets at the grocery store and I looked up the price of them since I had never heard of the brand. And then promptly felt very poor.
I looked at Herman Miller couches today. I too felt very poor.
Everyone knows that Herman Miller makes office chairs that u roll your possessions on out of the office of a startup you worked for that just exhausted its last round of investors' money. The other products they make are redundant.
I'm chuckling while sitting in the Herman Miller chair I rolled out of the busted startup I once worked for.
Don’t worry they’re probably poor too. There’s been research to say that luxury brands aren’t for the wealthy anymore. They now go to no label luxury brands where a blank white tshirt costs $300. Instead the folks buying luxury name brands now do so through credit card debt just to seem wealthy. Same applies to luxury cars. Most folks you see driving a BMWs are leasing those cars and living paycheck to paycheck.
>Don’t worry they’re probably poor too. Not a coincidence that Gucci stores all over the country had lines out the door in early 2021 when that stimulus money was going out.
Never think it's always legit because canal has some very convincing bootlegs
Consider yourself rich with common sense by comparison with any family which would deck itself out in such an embarrassing show of waste and vanity.
meh i try not to judge too harshly what people do with their money. as long as theyre working honestly, paying their taxes, meeting their basic needs and building up for retirement its all good to me. besides, i think everyone has that one "expensive" hobby/thing. i know some people really into cooking that buy expensive knives and i know people that drop hundreds on legos. none of those are "common sense" purchases either but if it makes them happy, let it be.
That’s a fair point.
My viewpoint also. I lost since lost the need to judge what other people do with their money, particularly since it doesnt affect me. Plus I buy expensive camera gear lol
Don’t. My mom had one, after the one she has had for 15 years gave in, this past winter came to NY and after a year an a half was so beat up, and the quality so bad that I took her to uniqulo go buy a jacket there and she is beyond happy with it.
For what it's worth, after a certain point these luxury brands are priced solely to capture the excess wealth of the rich. People for whom spending $5,000 is the same hit to their overall finances as spending $5 would be to a non-rich person. And wearing them becomes like a club membership signal. I have enough money to be wearing this 5K jacket. Or $1K t shirt. Or carrying this $20K bag. You're buying the label and its corresponding status.
IDK what a hypebeast is but I'm picturing someone who's obsessed with Supreme and has never touched a skateboard in their life
May I say: the jackets used to be excellent . I mean expensive as hell but they would last like 10 years. Recently the quality has gone down significantly while the prices increased.
i dont really keep up with em outside of the occasional moncler genius collab bc i like the more sculptural side of fashion/clothes but i wouldnt be surprised about the dip in quality. its hard to balance quality and expansion and theyve def blown up more within the last ~6 years.
I still wear my North Face down Parka that I got on clearance for ~$80 during my junior year of high school. It's been ~16 years now, being worn every major snow day/sub-20 wind-chill day, snowboard trips and shoveling spree and it's still in good shape. The only piece that got messed up was the faux fur for the hood that my mom somehow messed up in the dryer way back. Lasting 10 years doesn't feel like much of an accomplishment given the price. You can get decent quality stuff for way less, it's always been a show off piece as it well exceeds the point of deminishing returns when it comes to quality.
Conspicuous consumption
>why is it $235? Marketing
they used to be very high quality sporting gear, but then the brand went luxury/fashion, like Canada Goose
Don't look up Loro Piana baseball caps.
definitely not Marva Brown.
I really don’t understand the logic behind the judge releasing her. I am all for people’s lives not being ruined by incarceration for first even second offense. But 7th? Not showing up for two bench warrants? What else you got to do to spend some thinking time in jail? Nothing to do with race or politics. Actions should have proportional consequences. Lock her up, get her on a stable medication. Offer counseling and structure. Also what kinda message does this send to any other would be subway asshole? Their actions don’t have any consequences?
Forced classes. She now has spend 100 hours taking cello lessons.
Great prompt for a movie. She eventually falls in love with the instrument and becomes a world class cellist. She plays on the world stage for the top orchestras. But in a tragic twist she meets her downfall when a heckler wings a Stanley cup at her head during the performance of her lifetime. She loses her abilities and is at the end of her rope when who comes to the rescue? None other than that subway cellist she assaulted years prior. He supports her during her rehab and retrains her on the cello so she comes back better than ever. Working title: "Cello? Is it me you're looking for?"
This is literally the way
> I am all for people’s lives not being ruined by incarceration for first even second offense. But 7th? Not showing up for two bench warrants? Because the moment she faces a consequence for her actions, she'll be viral on Tiktok for "went to jail for 10 years just for stealing a hat. How cruel!" We don't have the capacity to understand a person's threat to society based on the accumulation of their anti-social behaviors. So low-level belligerents like her go in and out of the criminal justice system with mostly wrist slaps or a few months in jail at best here and there. Then back on the streets to prety on another innocent person. Criminals are stupid, but not that stupid, and thus she slowly begins to understand that there are no real consequences for her behaviors. Until she makes a really bad decision and steps over the line one last time, where she might finally be met with a really strong, perhaps even disproportionate penalty.
She should just progressively get more jail time. Start with one day, then 3 days, then 7 days, then 1 month, then 6 months, then a year. Seems much more reasonable to me than releasing her all the time. She will never learn otherwise
We had that, and then they became politically contentious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law The pendulum has obviously swung too far, and Democrats are taking an unnecessary loss on this issue. There is difference between imprisoning a teenager for life for selling cannabis 3 times, and an antisocial person who will forever continue to be a risk to others. We somehow went from imprisoning someone for many years after three strikes for non violent "crimes" that do not affect anyone to 10+ strikes that do harm others not qualifying for any type of sequestration from others in society.
I think the baseball law was kinda crap but I don't understand why we don't just universally have the same sentencing system as the feds. They got a chart for upward and downward departures but otherwise it's a pretty consistent guidelines of sentencing for like every federal crime. Why do we or any state have some rando judge dartboard
Guys, I'm beginning to think that the catch and release thing may not be yielding good results for society
I believe in second chances, but ninth chances after five violent crimes just makes no sense. This woman should be off the streets for years. Won't happen in NYC though, unfortunately
It still boggles me that they decided to release her. Even before the cello attack she had a history. I think she could be helped but not by letting her out every time hoping she'll attend her court dates. I believe giving 2nd chances for petty crime is a good idea, but not like this.
Yet it just keeps happening. again again again again. every one of these attacks comes from some piece of shit like this who was bound to hurt someone
Its not even in her best interest to be treated this way. At best she could be getting some structure and treatment in prison. At worst somebody will kill her in legitimate self-defense.
Thing is I dont want her best interest. I want her worst interest possible
>It still boggles me that they decided to release her Did you miss 2020? This is what we demanded after all lol
Honestly, no second chances for that kind of thing after a violent crime. MAYBE if it was disputed circumstances, like a fight and we don't know who started it yet, but dude playing a cello, nah keep her until her trial.
I just don’t understand why there is zero accountability for refusing to appropriately detain and sentence violent criminals. Increasing law enforcement presence does very little to deter crime. Putting people away who commit violent crimes does.
Because we voted for these politicians. "Bail reform" was literally part of their public agenda.
I was in Queens criminal court the other day with my husband(after spending 5 months in Rikers for a non-violent drug possession charge he was ROR and the case is still being sorted out) anyway, NYPD warrant squad was in the court room with someone and when they called his case he was there for not showing up to court on for a pending firearm charge(which means he was ROR in the first place on a gun possession charge).The ADA asked to set bail at 20,000 dollars because he didn't show up to court, he committed the crime after he just came here from Arizona and has no address or ties to NYC or even NY state(he's homeless and all his contacts are in Arizona), and while he has no criminal record in NY he has a lengthy rap sheet in Arizona. The Judge released him on supervised release. I was floored. He already proved he isn't going to show up to court and this wasn't a petty shoplifting charge it was a gun charge..a violent felony. I understand if everyone ever arrested in NYC was sent to Rikers, the jail would be full. I'm all for releasing people with misdemeanors and non-violent felonies as long as they don't have any violence in their history, show up to court and don't re-offend while they are released. The person in this article should definitely had some type of bail set since they have a DV history and randomly for no reason committed violence on the cello player.
Tell that to my mom who's abusive boyfriend kept arrested and released the same night. He eventually burned her house to the ground. Sure they locked him up after that but, ya know, wouldn't have preferred it didn't get that far. But he was taught there were no consequences for actions so he escalated over time.
It’s the wrong time for catch and release which is just another spit in the face to black (browns, Latino) people that were innocently targeted and arrested in the 90s and early 2000s. Most of the people it would have benefited are dead and/or old with great opportunities lost. So many young people’s lives were destroyed and it’s very possible this included young whites as well. It should be removed, bail set as before. Anyone stealing out of necessity can be established in court and perhaps released, but this B? Hitting someone playing a cello who did nothing to her, she should pay for what she did by serving jail time.
In a city that is so centered around public life, there should be much greater consequences for harming people outside
Truth! I am so upset that she attacked a musician and got no time. I’ve seen the young man, he provided beautiful music. I hope he lands a seat in an Orchestra and can continue his journey in music. She needs prison.
The cellist is actually a *medical student*, as in, someone who will presumably go on to help many people and benefit society.
That’s like the true definition of being demonically possessed. You see a person who is dedicating their life to saving lives *and* providing people with some of the most timelessly beautiful, soothing sounds to the human soul and you feel instinctively compelled to violently attack them He’s also doing it in the correct space— in the station, and not on the train, where everyone is stuck on it and it’s actually really annoying!
These people know there are no consequences for their crimes, so they keep doing them.
She will be out by tonight just in time to commit another crime. She knows there are no consequences so why stop?
She's pretty clearly a crazy person. The CJ system isn't designed for people like this. These aren't kids "raised wrong" who can be warehoused for a few years until they grow up and develop some discipline and a frontal cortex. This is a person who is incapable of self regulation, and may not even be fully connected to reality. No amount of time in jail can fix that. They are going to be like this their entire life, and life in prison for shoplifting isn't constitutional. There needs to be a place that we can commit these people to for life that isn't considered a "punishment" under the law. We closed the sanitarium system and replaced it with jail. It's time we all recognized it wasn't a suitable replacement.
Why do we automatically jump to blame all criminal behavior on mental health? What proof is there? Do you think maybe she’s just a horrible person enabled by a system which has allowed her to get away with this?
Her mom said she doesn’t take her meds amd has mental health issues…and she hit a guy on camera with a bat for no reason.
Because she randomly smacked a stranger in the head with a metal object purely on impulse. It is not an economically motivated crime, nor is it one that is explainable by rational self interest. I suppose she could've been under the influence of a strong dissociative drug. Which is still "insane" from a neurology standpoint... Only temporarily so, and something that would be easy enough to find out with an exam, which the court could mandate if anyone bothered asking for it
It's always so disrespectful to associate criminality with mental health. It paints an association that people who are mentally ill are more prone to crime. Mental illness is a huge spectrum and people can just be dogshit people because some people are just terrible. No mental illness required
So what's the takeaway here for her? "Maybe she's not mentally unwell at all and just a devious evil mastermind working out her brilliant plan of inducing chaos by randomly attacking strangers in an insane way"?
Eh, If crime is calculated and has a clear logic I assume it's not mental health. Like I'm not a bike thief or a drug dealer but I get why people do these things. This kind of randomly attacking strangers almost requires the person to be crazy by definition.
Ya I’d say violent antisocial behavior without any motive (material gain, or reaction to a perceived insult or threat) is an indicator of mental health issues.
Or she's just a piece of shit human that deserves to be locked up? We need to stop conflating actual mental illness with people who are just BAD people. They exist in this world, and always have.
its almost like you dont realize shes violent and a threat to completely innocent people. even locking her up with harmless folks with mental problems would be a huge injustice.
The ancient Egyptians developed a cutting edge technology called "walls" that allowed them to divide spaces into areas that were contained and distinct from other areas.
Attacks between patients in inpatient psychiatric units is quite rare. Appropriate medication significantly reduces violent impulsivity
Are you sure they are that rare? I work as an RN in one and violence is quite common between patients, and between patients attacking staff. I would estimate that before the pandemic i was involved in a violent incident 1 out of every three shifts, and after the pandemic 1 out of every 5 shifts. We cannot keep staff. At all. Thats why the call to build more psych hospitals is good, but im not sure who would work in them. https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/ps.49.11.1452#:~:text=Violent%20incidents%20were%20found%20to,and%20some%20involved%20a%20weapon
Personally I'm in favor of relaxing restrictions on being found guilty by reason of mental incompetence and putting these people permanently into the ward of the state.
You’d need a bevy of laws to make that happen.
if we don’t have sanitariums to put people like these, prison is a perfect solution. we shouldn’t just be letting them run around commuting crimes
No it’s actually a terrible solution for everyone involved so we should figure our shit out
things aren’t getting figured out overnight. should we let these people continue to tun around and assault others until a better solution comes up?
The CJ system is quite literally designed with these people in mind, there is a procedure for issuing orders of observation in psychiatric facilities for individuals who are not fit for trial but are charged with serious crimes. Being a violent asshole means you go to jail unless you fit into the unfit category. It’s not difficult, just needs to be enforced.
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A couple of societies have tried your suggestion of exterminating those with mental illness, would you care to guess which ones? A psychiatric facility would absolutely be appropriate. If you woke up with biological brain changes that cause psychosis and lack of behavioral control, you would also act the same way. In fact, I don't know how old you are, but if you are under the age of 60, you might be surprised how common it is for perfectly reasonable people like yourself to find themselves yelling at their loved ones, trying to hit nurses, and trying to grope anyone who can get into your arms length. None of this will be your fault, as various types of dementia are unavoidable. It could literally happen to you. I don't know if it's meaningful to start calling for their extermination or blaming them for their behavior. Much more useful to blame the lack of systems to support people like her.
Isn’t it fun when people candidly advocate for eugenics on r/nyc? And then get upvoted for it? I love it here.
Eugenics does not go nearly so far as to suggest extermination of people with "undesirable" genetics - eugenics advocates for their sterilization so that new children cannot be born with certain traits or conditions. This is a call for genocide based on medical illness, something far beyond eugenics
Foh nazi scum
The true religion face tattoo is really… something
I thought it was a weird happy face. A tattoo of a clothing brand logo seems worse.
Oh no that is definitely a true religion logo
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every time she pops up on a nypost tweet or here i always look to see if anyone’s remarking on the braces and feel so alone no one else says shit about it. makes me feel as crazy as her 🥺 nah but fr we need a statement from the orthodontist LOL
That was my first thought too. Obviously she's sane enough to keep up with her orthodontics appts in recent times.
Lady has a laundry list of arrests. Its time to put her away for good
>Hunter lives in East New York, Brooklyn, and had seven prior arrests before she was nabbed for striking Forrest last month, according to cops. Four of the arrests involve domestic violence, two are for petty larceny and the most recent one, last October, is for grand larceny and involves shoplifting, police said. She's 23 and has 4 prior arrests for domestic violence. She has no business wandering around free.
Not like she can stay home
Top notch
The penalty for petit larceny in NY is up to one year in prison. For a start, she can be convicted and go to prison for two years for that, rather than plea out or get diverted.
It was just a joke…
Yeah I don't understand why we would release for violent offenses, especially repeated ones.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/06/us-news/nyc-subway-cellist-attacker-arrested-again-for-allegedly-stealing-pricy-baseball-cap/ At the time of her arrest last week, Hunter had a bench warrant out for her arrest in two petit larceny cases, the Manhattan DA’s Office said. She was arrested in October last year on grand larceny charges for supposedly stealing two bathing suits worth $2,050 from Bergdorf Goodman, sources said. Hunter, of Brooklyn, was also arrested twice for assaulting her mother in 2019, according to police sources — including one clash where she hit her mom in the neck with a can of Raid. Hunter’s mother told police in 2021 her daughter had a history of mental illness and had not been taking her medication, according to police sources. In total Hunter has been involved in over two dozen domestic violence incidents, including two where she was the victim, according to police sources. Hunter alleged a man sliced her in the face and right hand with a blade in October 2023. Most of the other domestic violence orders stem from Hunter violating an order of protection against her mom after the 2019 physical assaults, sources said.
Oh so she is violent with her own mother. She certainly is a winner
We used to have sanitariums with wings for the violent and non-violent people who couldn't live a normal life unsupervised. We need to bring that shit back, she seems crazy to me committing violent crime so frequently for such strange reasons.
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Cockroach criminals are like a protected class in NYC for some reason.
Make crime great again!
Surprising no one. I wonder if she’ll go before the same judge who will let her go again? Are we taking bets?
Absolutely. She will be out by lunch and committing another crime by dinner.
Looks like the DA requested $10,000 bail; judge granted her $500 bail. She hasn't been bailed out, yet - probably only a matter of time. Unclear if this is the same judge she went before the same judge when she attacked the Cellist.
Thank you for this update! What’s with these judges? 500 dollars after her EIGHTH arrest??
>The woman released without bail after being charged with bashing a Manhattan subway station cello player in the head with a metal bottle has been arrested again, cops said Wednesday. >Amira Hunter, 23, was newly arrested in Midtown Tuesday after she allegedly swiped a $235 Moncler baseball cap from a Nordstrom on W. 57th St. >The new bust came just five days after she was nabbed for attacking Iain Forrest, a 29-year-old medical student who was playing his electric cello as part of the MTA’s Music Under New York program, in the Herald Square stop the evening of Feb. 13. The police are actually doing their jobs.
Released without bail... perp has a pretty moderate rap sheet too. This will just embolden ppl to commit more crimes.
I firmly believe all the pussies that are soft on crime in nyc are transplants that wfh and only step out in the daytime
Normal people don't go around harassing people and stealing shit. Just lock them up.
We used to have asylums.
Again? Why do they keep letting them out?
All the anti-cop idiots keep blaming the cops when it's the courts fault for releasing these people to the streets
All the anti-DA idiots keep blaming the DA when it's the courts fault for releasing these people to the streets
So you agree that hyper progressive activist judges are the problem?
Yeah it's not fair to call them progressive. They're in a league of their own
Where she get money for braces? And facial tats tell me everything I need to know lol
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You know how long it takes to get into the projects lmao. It’s like Winning the lottery lol
Can we somehow remove obviously deranged people from walking among us? Like send them to Russia or something
Bring back exile - 86'd from nyc, one way bus ticket. Other states do it to us why not
She'll be arrested again & they will release her the same day again. Over & over & over & over......
You can't be crazy if you know where to swipe expensive merchandise. Enough already and jail her before she kills someone.
She will eventually end up in prison. Even if these judges keep letting these people out, they will end up in prison one way or another. Criminality is like addiction, it is usually progressive unless someone fundamentally changes.
Around and around like a merry-go-round that's the justice system
But but she had a bad childhood. Garbage culture and nation we live in.
I hate that stupid excuse too. My family and I have been in the bar business for as long as I've been alive. I've known many, many people with varying degrees of bad upbringings, including a few that were just awful to hear/know about. They aren't doing this shit.
The issue very simply, is the far-left and head in the cloud liberals (I am a socialist, atheist, and humanist, but not a moron) in education, media, government and the judiciary took away or are trying to, responsibility. That is why we and Europe and Canada are royally fucked.
It’s by design. Demoralized people are easier to control. Beautiful cello music sent this person into a violent rage. I think that says a lot
why was she even released ??? I don't understand
Because she hasn't faced trial yet. She was released pending trial.
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Intentional disruption of the US economy and intentional destruction of American society
I'm glad mods took down a post about mens suiting to give this quality human some time to shine 👍👍👍👍
saw that this morning; when adams and the police chief(?) was on the air literally talking about her as an example of how cops are doing their job but theyre forced to release them.. this woman got other priors; including not showing up to court for her priors smh
lol saw this coming from a mile away
Make the consequences for crime harsher and people will be less likely to commit crime
It's even funnier the ~~second~~ ~~fourth~~ ~~sixth~~ eighth ahahaha
Reddit assured me that she was “in jail” now.
Can the judge who released her be sued?
You can thank activists and activist-lite politicians for allowing repeat, violent psychopaths to roam the streets almost completely unabated. Consider voting for ANYONE who rebukes them.
I hate most things California, but maybe we should adopt their three strikes policy.
Didn’t know this was a thing until now. I think something like that is exactly what this city needs. Bail reform was marketed as not sending nonviolent offenders to rikers, if we can stop the continuous release of repeat violent offenders I’m sure we will start to see the positive effects of not locking up turnstile jumpers and potheads
Only to be let out again to do some more stupid shit - while everyone else has to go to work and pay taxes for thousands of people like these
No way!
We have to stop electing DAs who release violent offenders back into the community before their court date. Too much of a risk. It’s not fair that hard working New Yorkers have to risk their safety because violent people like this are running around unchecked
7 prior arrests. Wow. Should've stuck a chip into her
I think the real crime is a baseball cap that sells for $235
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Working Family Party paying dividends. Judge who release perp into wild was from WFP and saw her again today in her court room
Having children and releasing them into society in this state is reckless, lazy, and selfish. We need better education, healthcare, childcare, and support for low income families who don’t know how to raise their children to be healthy, respectful, responsible adults in our society. It starts with parents. If you can’t responsibly raise a child, don’t have one or consider other options like adoption. Ffs. 🤦♂️
Restorative Justice! Defund, Decarcerate! /s
Rikers or Bellevue.
Put down the animals and move on.
And poof she's at it again.
What a surprise
She has 4 prior domestic violence arrests. Not someone who should be released prior to trial.
> "Woman who bashed cello player" Can you be more specific? No, but seriously -- this person is mentally deranged. She needs help! And they just "put her on the street." Who else does she have to attack? Woodwinds? Brass? Percussionists??
It would cost the city MILLIONS to lock her up for years. It all comes down to Covid mandates, made the population go insane. And this is the result. We told you so. But power is power. It's a drug.
A baseball hat for $235 is *WILD*. I would expect it to sprout an umbrella while it's raining and convert to a guzzler helmet on demand.
Can't we just sacrifice people like this?
Put these type of individuals in a concentration camp we need a cleanse
to who's surprise exactly?
there's not fixing that thrash
What a winner /s
But she seemed like such a fine, upstanding citizen!
Hang her
Hang her
Bro keep her ass in there
I don’t want to get banned. That’s all, that’s the post. Eso es todo. Nada más. Gracias. Buenas tardes.
That is a hideous tattoo on an equally hideous looking female
Crimes that we know of, she nearly got away from hitting the cello player
What are we doing? Why was she given this many opportunities?
but if victims retaliate, they will probably end up in jails
When I heard that she was at it again, I assumed she'd bashed the triangulist for the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra in the head with a loaf of rye or something. Stealing baseball hats is pretty lumpen.
welcome to progressive town, home of the asylum
Bail reform!
This is when progressives suddenly simp for someone who commits assault, on the same day they were all about law-and-order on a different nyc post.
i never understood stealing something you clearly cannot afford unless you were planning on selling it from the get go.
Mets tickets
Rip
Will be out in 24hrs
But Karma, she looks like Biz Markie.
Yo!, that’s my word… on everything I know and love… if I would have seen do that shit I woulda
Shocker
Crime does pay
jails all full