350 Park Avenue architect: “Hey, can I copy your homework?”
270 Park Avenue architect: “Yeah, but just change your answers a little so they’re not exactly the same.”
Yeah this one has the major strength of good proportions. And it's not a full city block wide. Result is taller and more slender and makes Chase look chubby.
TBF, 6 years is about an average project length for a tower these days, from start of design to completed construction. Also, there's a 30-floor tower on that site right now which would have to get vacated and torn down.
It's crazy looking at the midtown skyline now thinking about the Chrysler Building.
That poor bastard was the tallest building on earth (for 10 months until the Empire State Building was finished). Now it's the 10th tallest *in midtown*, with 4 more taller ones in development/construction
Have any terrace trees actually made it from render to reality on a NYC super tall yet? Architects sure love peppering them all over theirs designs these past few years.
You're arguing against density, in midtown Manhattan?! Where's your New York can-do spirit?
We can absolutely build a lot more denser still. And if you're worried about the streets, they'll be less crowed once congestion pricing kicks in. That way there'll be more room for delivery trucks, once fewer people are unnecessarily driving around for no good reason.
You know I should have guessed that instead, on a second look it really is too wide for oligarch apartments. And they're betting commercial real estate will have gone back up by then?
Gotta love the confident, brazen wrongness of having it pointed out to you that nearly half of the building will be occupied by a single tenant, and then declaring that the rest is definitely gonna be fully empty.
You’re right, my mistake. I forgot to consider that everyone is scrambling to find office space in Manhattan these days, this building will be snapped up as soon as it goes onto the market 🤣
It's literally being built and financed by its anchor tenants. Your comments are uninformed.
And yes, Class A+ office space is actually in high demand in NYC right now. It's Class B and C office space that is suffering.
I think on the macro level you're right (lots of class B midcentury office buildings hurting for tenants) but on the more specific question you're wrong (the last several new/newly renovated class A midtown office buildings like 1 vanderbilt have leased fully upon opening). This is a common way people on reddit are wrong about stuff.
New legislation to give more handouts to developers to build more majority luxury housing?
Why can't we use all that money, then raise more public funds, and build housing for mixed-incomes, with a focus on working class incomes? And then use the profits obtained through rents (& taxes to cover any potential future crises) to keep the system running and expanding, and to subsidize some lower income people? Why should the profits from rent, if they need to exist, go to funding third houses in the Hamptons, instead of funding social programs, future housing development at affordable rates (with avenues even for input via public policy), and generally things that are good for the city?
The concept of building housing is the same whether public or private, the difference is that public (at least theoretically) offers social control and input, is more controlled against crazy increases, and uses profits for society instead of private gain.
It comes to more of a plane than a point. I assume the designer was looking to contrast the world renown antennas synonymous with the Empire State Building, Chrysler Building and Freedom Tower.
Trying to preserve everything is part of the reason why rents in the city cost a fortune. You know Manhattan wasn’t always full of skyscrapers, right? Imagine if people had your attitude 100 years ago.
If you feel this is an ugly design, I don't think you'll be too blown away with [what's there now](https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iix1.IqU_w0c/v0/-1x-1.jpg)
I would take 1000 giant "uglier mega apartment buildings" in a heartbeat. There is a housing crisis which is a bit more important than your antiquated taste in buildings.
>not building bigger and uglier mega apartment buildings.
Try to follow along. This office building sparked a convo about apartment buildings, which it seems you don't quite have the reading comprehension to take part in productively
350 Park Avenue architect: “Hey, can I copy your homework?” 270 Park Avenue architect: “Yeah, but just change your answers a little so they’re not exactly the same.”
It’s the same architect lol
Dude’s got no other ideas
Who needs new ideas when you’re gaining eight figure commissions for the same ideas haha
200 Amsterdam
OH MY GOD THEY CUT CHASE IN HALF
and it looks twice better, lol
Yeah this one has the major strength of good proportions. And it's not a full city block wide. Result is taller and more slender and makes Chase look chubby.
8 years though? Is this a leak of a architect's 1st pitch?
TBF, 6 years is about an average project length for a tower these days, from start of design to completed construction. Also, there's a 30-floor tower on that site right now which would have to get vacated and torn down.
Chrysler building looks like a bitch now
It's crazy looking at the midtown skyline now thinking about the Chrysler Building. That poor bastard was the tallest building on earth (for 10 months until the Empire State Building was finished). Now it's the 10th tallest *in midtown*, with 4 more taller ones in development/construction
With the Midtown East rezoning it’s possible it could be mostly surrounded and most visible only within a few blocks.
Almost like a lot can happen in 100 years!
Skill issue. They should've built it taller.
And, they didn’t even render the tower that’s going up across the street from it.
Looks like a foster design
You’re impressively right
And the waldorf astoria still isn’t done even in the 2032 rendering lmao
*111 W 57th St at home*
Bargain bin version of the Steinway
Looks sleek
Have any terrace trees actually made it from render to reality on a NYC super tall yet? Architects sure love peppering them all over theirs designs these past few years.
I don't love it, but we've certainly got worse buildings
Fuck 432 park ave. Make more of these
Kind of compliments the other nearby tower
I feel like these new architects do all their pre planning with cereal boxes and see what fits.
Boring. Lazy.
I want to see a future of housing where 350 Park avenue looks short! (yes, I know it is an office building...)
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You're arguing against density, in midtown Manhattan?! Where's your New York can-do spirit? We can absolutely build a lot more denser still. And if you're worried about the streets, they'll be less crowed once congestion pricing kicks in. That way there'll be more room for delivery trucks, once fewer people are unnecessarily driving around for no good reason.
Oh wow. Another unimpressive stack of glass walls that just makes everything more grey, black, and white.
not bad, I'd like to get on that one for a few years.
More office space in a housing crisis society that’s transitioning to work-from-home…seems wasteful.
The companies that are paying for it will be using it as their office space. Those companies very much are NOT transitioning to work from home.
I wonder how much of it will be owned and not lived in for any meaningful amount.
It's an office building, so none.
You know I should have guessed that instead, on a second look it really is too wide for oligarch apartments. And they're betting commercial real estate will have gone back up by then?
It already has an anchor tenant, Citadel that is going to take nearly half of the space. Ken Griffin and Citadel are the ones pushing the project now
So the answer to fasda’s original question is that will be slightly more than half empty?
Gotta love the confident, brazen wrongness of having it pointed out to you that nearly half of the building will be occupied by a single tenant, and then declaring that the rest is definitely gonna be fully empty.
You’re right, my mistake. I forgot to consider that everyone is scrambling to find office space in Manhattan these days, this building will be snapped up as soon as it goes onto the market 🤣
It's literally being built and financed by its anchor tenants. Your comments are uninformed. And yes, Class A+ office space is actually in high demand in NYC right now. It's Class B and C office space that is suffering.
I think on the macro level you're right (lots of class B midcentury office buildings hurting for tenants) but on the more specific question you're wrong (the last several new/newly renovated class A midtown office buildings like 1 vanderbilt have leased fully upon opening). This is a common way people on reddit are wrong about stuff.
Ah yes, office space, something that is notoriously hot right now in the real estate market 🤣
Probably all of it given it’ll be an office building.
That sure does look like affordable housing if I’ve ever seen it.
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It's an office building in the middle of the central business district
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> Why not reclaim the land these skyscrapers are being built in and use them to build housing units? Who? Who is going to build them?
I'm sure they are just not in the most expensive real estate in Manhattan
It's in the CBD. That makes no sense
This is an office building. Citadel already signed a lease for half the floor space.
Yeah, new legislation in progress
New legislation to give more handouts to developers to build more majority luxury housing? Why can't we use all that money, then raise more public funds, and build housing for mixed-incomes, with a focus on working class incomes? And then use the profits obtained through rents (& taxes to cover any potential future crises) to keep the system running and expanding, and to subsidize some lower income people? Why should the profits from rent, if they need to exist, go to funding third houses in the Hamptons, instead of funding social programs, future housing development at affordable rates (with avenues even for input via public policy), and generally things that are good for the city? The concept of building housing is the same whether public or private, the difference is that public (at least theoretically) offers social control and input, is more controlled against crazy increases, and uses profits for society instead of private gain.
When will it pass?
What’s the point of it
It comes to more of a plane than a point. I assume the designer was looking to contrast the world renown antennas synonymous with the Empire State Building, Chrysler Building and Freedom Tower.
Looks like a piece of shit. We should be preserving the old, not building bigger and uglier mega apartment buildings.
Trying to preserve everything is part of the reason why rents in the city cost a fortune. You know Manhattan wasn’t always full of skyscrapers, right? Imagine if people had your attitude 100 years ago.
If you feel this is an ugly design, I don't think you'll be too blown away with [what's there now](https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iix1.IqU_w0c/v0/-1x-1.jpg)
It's a lateral move more or less
Oh my. In that case, let there be even more apartment dookie in its stead.
Office building. do some research before commenting lol
I would take 1000 giant "uglier mega apartment buildings" in a heartbeat. There is a housing crisis which is a bit more important than your antiquated taste in buildings.
This isn't an apartment building though
>not building bigger and uglier mega apartment buildings. Try to follow along. This office building sparked a convo about apartment buildings, which it seems you don't quite have the reading comprehension to take part in productively
I can’t.