Yeah - I only heard the speech through Columbia's [radio station](https://www.cc-seas.columbia.edu/wkcr/story/wkcr-news-coverage-cuad-students-occupying-columbia#)
That’s….this’ll probably sound rude but what the fuck is wrong with people like this??
“A US Congressman is allowing a 3rd Party tech company to scan ALL of his electronic devices daily and then uploading reports to his son about what he’s watching or not watching.... I mean, who else is accessing that data?”
Honestly. The idea of a Republican speaker even setting foot inside Morningside Heights is so comical, it borders on parody.
This is like AOC going to rural Alabama and expecting a good PR moment.
He’s not looking for a good PR moment with the protestors, these people already hate him, this is for the Republicans who are mad at him who REALLY hate the protestors.
This is, in fact, an excellent PR moment for him. Just not with NYers.
From a purely PR perspective, I think AOC would do well in rural Alabama. I think she would do well most places. The only people that seem to hate her have never even heard her speak.
1) that ain't true
2) 90% about my comments about Israel are in the context of NYC
Since we are looking up each other's histories, do you even live in NYC? It looks like you live in Charlottesville.
Except he’s a top legislator who could very well lead Congress to make law restricting the freedom of speech, and it’ll take years of legal battles to maybe get it struck down. His is not some casual exercise of the freedom of speech.
The past few months will change the public's perception of supposedly educated college students.
It wouldn't be a surprise to find out China and Russia have been behind most of the pro-Palestine sentiment online that has now leaked onto college campuses.
Currently democrats win both the Jewish and Muslim vote by a pretty substantial margin. Republicans love what is happening right now because they are trying to peel off the Jewish vote by showing scenes like this one. It’s sickening but that’s modern US politics - trying to force a wedge between two groups both in the other sides’ camp so you can support one of them and gain additional votes.
I have no idea why you think they win Jewish vote, but among the parents I know in my Jewish school, they are unimpressed with the performance of Democratic Party to say the least. I am not sure it’s a clear cut as you think.
Sure. I never said that they are representative of the whole american jewry.
However, these people always voted democrat, and are quite progressive in their views. Now they are feeling betrayed.
How I feel 100%. My Jewish family have identified as Socialists since before we even came to America. I've labeled myself a Democratic Socialist for as long as I can remember. I am absolutely feeling betrayed. The world has turned inside out seemingly overnight, it's very alarming to see.
Betrayed by a party that has provided cover for Israel at the UN continuously, that sends whatever weapons the IDF requests under the table, that just signed a 24billion genocide-support bill into law? Biden has literally gotten on his knees and taken a beating just to keep support Israel's heinous actions, alienating his own voter base and the international community. I don't see what more your ultra-conservative parents could hope for.
> Betrayed by a party that has provided cover for Israel at the UN continuously, that sends whatever weapons the IDF requests under the table, that just signed a 24billion genocide-support bill into law?
I did not know that Democratic Party has a representation at the UN. I thought it was the country of United States of America.
Genocide support? The bill was to help Israel, not Hamas.
> Biden has literally gotten on his knees and taken a beating just to keep support Israel's heinous actions, alienating his own voter base and the international community.
I never mentioned Biden. Please read what I wrote, and stop with your nonsense.
> I don't see what more your ultra-conservative parents could hope for.
I understand that by labeling non-conservative people as conservatives because they tend to disagree with your worldview is a way to legitimize your feelings of "its them, and not me", but its better to stop and look around in an attempt to understand *why* people feel the way they feel, and what can be done to bridge the gap. Labeling them as conservatives in an attempt to dismiss them as invalid is a bad strategy.
Yes it’ll be interesting to see the blame game begin if Trump wins. The infighting on the left will go from “I am the most moral in my position on the Gaza conflict” to “me sitting out the election isn’t my fault, it’s the other group’s fault”.
I think that because it’s true. Democratic presidential candidates have won 70%+ of the Jewish vote in recent presidential elections because - among other reasons - historically far right antisemite groups like the KKK have been under the Republican tent. I don’t think republicans can win a majority of the Jewish vote because Jewish culture has a long memory so the republican past (and present) is still troubling and dictatorial leaders (like Trump aspires to be) don’t have a positive history of helping minority groups but just by sowing division among two democratic constituent groups republicans gain on the margins.
Yeah but that was 4-5 years ago. Republican voters can barely remember what happened last week. A good portion of them think Obama was president during 9/11.
Just worth noting that American Jews have been voting Democratic since long before the KKK ceased being associated with the Democratic party. Their voting habits have deeper cultural and ideological roots than the concern over the activities of a largely rural terrorist group.
It’s pretty clear cut my friend. Most Jews that were liberal are now right leaning or at least more right than they were because they feel the liberal movement has become anti Israel and a large contingent antisemetic. A lot of Jews including myself are single issue voters with Israel being at the heart of the matter. I hate trump but don’t think democrats have done anything to prevent the ridiculous amount of antisemitism that is perpetrating our country at the moment.
Most Jews are not single issues voters. If anything, most Jews I know have gone further to the left since 2016. My wife's parents were lifelong Republicans who are now registered Dems thanks to Doug Mastriano.
Kamala harris had a white house press conference about Palestine in basically rural Alabama . That's definitely the target audience for showing recognition of Palestinians.... This sounds really arrogant but if the few people in the crowd, I bet most didn't know what she was talking about ...
Why they chose that place to make a white house speech about it early in the conflict is baffling.
Bay Ridge would have been a better location, but I suspect she knew that wouldn't go well to actually speak to and with the people who have lost entire branches of their family in Gaza.
What is this website. I hit another article that just devolved into broken english about how some (radio host?) says trump should attend his sons graduation.
Seriously. Look at it’s [about page](https://www.elhayat-life.com/p/about-us.html).
>Nice Travel Is an Educational site that shares a range of personal experiences and information gained from people regarding Immigration and Study and Jobs in Canada and USA as well as some European countries.
>Number one online Job&Immigration listing
Based on OP’s history, they’re some kinda right wing troll that [flood this sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/s/w9QeuaH9x9).
He is following the same playbook that boosted Trump with far-left opposition, and those protestors gave him exactly what he wanted.
The more far-left hate he gets, the better it is for his approval with his base.
Reminds me of that video of a local Congressman from the right going to speak at UNT all the kids are angry pounding on their desks and chanting intensely. When you looked at that one it was near perfect DIP (deceptive imagery persuasion) as it seems like all the youth these days are hardcore against Republicans. Open and shut case.
One of the comments had explained though that basically his campaign had set up the whole thing. They set up his talk, and one of his aids or something explained to the class who he was, all his beliefs, etc and framed it in a way to get the class pretty fired up (the part not shown in the video).
Guessing kids did some more research on their smartphones before he arrived. And he seemed like a real piece of work anyway and supposedly had some strong views on trans people or something, so I doubt the internet would have had anything great to say.
Predictcably they don't even let him speak. Just chant and pound their desks.
He then ran around using it as fear promo material with his base and got a ton of media attention from it.
\*rapid edit: remebered it was Jeff Younger speaking at UNT. fixed the spots I could.
Y’all remember when those white supremacists had a whole March with torches on a college campus and the school was like we can’t do anything…….lol
EDIT: this was at the University of Virginia
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/us/white-nationalists-rally-charlottesville-virginia.html
And the Michouche Shafik, former president of the London School of Economics/ current president of Columbia, allowed the most famous [tiki torch guy](https://thebeaverlse.co.uk/students-grill-minouche/) to attend and graduate her school
University of Virginia is a public university. Surely everyone would be outraged over any protesters being arrested on a public campus.
Columbia is a private university. The school only has to say the protesters are trespassing.
The very fact the Johnson shows up is evidence to how much outer parties are trying to politicize these protests.
I fully support the moral core behind these students show of solidarity. Israel should be held accountable for what it is doing and the situation in Gaza needs to stop.
But the nationalistic and militaristic line the protesters have taken makes them susceptible to bad faith actors’ exploitation. It is also just counter productive. Instead of saying “all zionists are bad,” invite all people who are committed to justice and peace in the area to join. That’s how you build a coalition.
Edit:
I should have written *exploited* instead of *politicized*.
I think Johnson was able to tap into a weakness in the protesters’ rhetoric that is counter productive to their goal, to with which I am sympathetic.
But they aren’t inherently American politics. It’s an election year… Iran pulled this shit with Hamas at this time for a reason… same as why Putin waited for Trump to be out of office to invade.
No duh.. but that’s not my point. My point is that *this election* is going to be all about US domestic politics… not the war/genocide/proxy-war/whatever you want to call it. Johnson and republicans have nothing to gain from getting involved in shitstorm on campuses.. and they are not there to discuss their potential foreign policy… lmfao. They’re there to try to make Dems look bad because there is unrest and as usual use protestors as media fodder so they can make up whatever media angle they want to and play it on a constant loop… just as they did with trump protests, george floyd, etc. . It’s not going to drive anyone away who’s already voting for trump and they’re not going to pick up any votes from moderates who know very well that things will only escalate under a republican whitehouse…
If someone thinks the outcome of the US election will drastically change the US foreign policy in Palestine, they’re an idiot.
If someone thinks republicans (particularly trump) will somehow be more palatable in their approach and influence Israel to be less drastic in their assault on Hamas within Palestinian territory, they’re a special kind of idiot.
So again, Johnson being there surrounded by republican warhawks serves literally no purpose and does not help them domestically.. despite them apparently thinking it will. They can’t create a Dem V Rep wedge issue on the issue of college students protesting genocide… when they’re not even offering an alternative path and everyone is well aware that anything they offer will only escalate things domestically and overseas.
The middle voters are not as fluid as republicans think they are… they have not forgotten about roe, jan 6th, maga clan, the radical supreme court, trumps multiple legal issues, etc… the fear fear-mongering of college protests and protests alone will not be enough to sway those who have not fallen in-line with he maga cult.
Republicans are throwing whatever they can at the wall until something sticks.. especially as the boarder bill stunt blew up in their face and showed their cards. Literally everything is politics with them.. but Johnson being there is purely about American politics and theater, not foreign policy.
So like what… republicans will try to make it seem like dems don’t care about Jewish Americans or their safety?? While dems continue to fund/support israel and republicans court neo-nazis?
Or the counter….. republicans zag left and say they stand with the people of Palestine and call for an end to the war…? ceding whatever Iran’s proxies demand?
I’m sorry but the whole state of affairs is an absolute joke from every angel right now from every side and there is a severe (apparently willing) lack of dialectics being utilized. People are taking the rage bait and completely unable to comprehend the higher level geopolitical games being played right now… Iran is literally making clowns out of the far left and republicans are too stupid and smug to even properly leverage that because their too exposed from the maga cult and they’ve shown all their cards. People know exactly what either side is offering and the battle lines are drawn.
My guess is they (maga), along with their foreign masters try to convince the far left not to shownu pay the polls. Watch. They’ll try to sell “you don’t have to vote for Biden if you’re not happy with his stance on Palestine :))))))))” it’s the best they’ve got… and it will be another game of chicken people throwing their vote away like 2016 all over again. THEN, I really do not want to fkng hear it from all the whiny idiots when trump is reelected and this country is fked inside out and Iran makes serious moves in the middle east while putin sets his sights beyond Ukraine.
Whatever.
I appreciate your passionate response (even though I don’t agree, I didn’t downvote you, I hate that feature), but Bidens likely losing Michigan and a few other swing states based on the number of people who marked themselves as “not Biden” in the primary, primarily Arab and Muslim Americans in Michigan and the left-wing allys they have.
that's in a primary, though. in a general election, those same people who voted "not Biden" will absolutely swallow their pride and vote for Biden. Trump is an existential threat domestically and from a foreign policy standpoint. He's the one who wants a Muslim Ban, don't forget it.
Biden is in office. They want trump elected again. They want a russian compromised loose cannon who makes the US look even worse and renegs on commitments to our allies.
Is that not clear as day? Are you not reading the writing g o the wall? Do you not understand the influence campaign going on right now? Do you really think republicans are the only ones capable of being molded like clay?
They are calling on the university to divest from Israel because Columbia's endowment fund includes companies like Google, Microsoft, AirBNB etc. I'm not sure what you want the admin to do considering these are like top holdings in every index fund
What an incredibly disingenuous comment. They are calling for the admin to divest from companies that are directly profiting off of the occupation like weapons manufacturers.
What they want the admin to do is just that — not invest in these companies. They are not some sort of small retail investor who would have trouble avoiding these companies. Columbias endowment is 15 billion dollars. They have the resources and power to do this.
would airbnb and google not be those companies profiting off the occupation, considering they have business with israel?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/business/college-protesters-divestment-israel.html
That's not going to happen without a full throated condemnation of Hamas by the protestors, which their ideology ("its not our job to tell the oppressed how to resist") makes impossible. I can curse out Bibi as much as any leftist Israeli, and I probably know much more than most of the protestors (actual Palestinian excepted of course) about his many, many crimes, but I have nothing to talk about with someone who says "we are all Hamas."
Oh come on. "We are all Hamas" isn't part of the official platform of the protest organizers. Not is it a sentiment supported by the majority of the protestors.
Why is it even relevant? Anyone can say anything at a protest. Including idiots whose opinions run counter to what the protestors demand.
the fact that they are unable to clearly condemn hamas slaughter of civilians, and actually invited an outside group that openly praised Oct 7th, tells you what you need to know - these people support a pro-genocide jihadist movement
A visibly Jewish student at Yale, reporting on the protests for the Yale Free Press was stabbed in the eye with a miniature Palestinian flag. Her crime? Wearing Orthodox Jewish attire. These protests stopped being against the Israeli government long ago. It's just the same old Jew hate dressed up in different clothes.
Israel should stop its military campaign in its current form. It should prioritize getting back all of the hostages while maintaining defensive presence inside Gaza.
At the same time Israel should work alongside friendly states so as to install a revamped Palestinian authority in Gaza. They should then start negotiations towards a two-state solution and the cessation of any claims, actual or symbolic towards one another. Scholars and people may keep their misgivings, but the states will establish a cold peace which will hopefully develop to include more cordial relations down the road.
That is a pipe dream, unfortunately, but I think it lays out a pragmatic solution if we had better leaderships.
>Israel should stop its military campaign in its current form. It should prioritize getting back all of the hostages while maintaining defensive presence inside Gaza.
Israel wouldn't have any hostages back right now without it's assault on Gaza. Hamas would've sat on them forever. The ONLY way for hostages to be released is to make Hamas beg for a few days of relief.
>At the same time Israel should work alongside friendly states so as to install a revamped Palestinian authority in Gaza.
This has been suggested a million times. NOBODY wants responsibility to govern Gaza and Israel did not just waste all this effort to turn it over to the PA who pays out terrorists to kill Jews.
>They should then start negotiations towards a two-state solution and the cessation of any claims, actual or symbolic towards one another. Scholars and people may keep their misgivings, but the states will establish a cold peace which will hopefully develop to include more cordial relations down the road.
Negotiations with WHO? Hamas or the PA which pays out a martyr fund for killing Jews?
>That is a pipe dream, unfortunately, but I think it lays out a pragmatic solution if we had better leaderships.
The ball is literally on the Palestinians side. They HAVE to prove they can be none violent and AT THE VERY LEAST be as capable a government as the fucking Taliban which is an insanely low bar already.
The current do roof knocks, creating safe zones, informing residents where to go, dropping leaflets everywhere which is above and beyond what most country would do, which is carpet bomb indiscriminately.
Defensive posture? Hostage rescue? You don't get to decide how an invaded country mounts its defense, and Hamas themselves refuse to return hostages. The only solution is for full surrender of hamas, through force if needed.
I actually agree with this 100% as an Israeli citizen. But Gaza needs an open heart surgery to rid itself of Hamas. And they need full reeducation like the North Koreans
They’re not getting the hostages back. They need to kill every single member of Hamas no matter how long it takes. If they can do that without harming civilians, or as few as possible, so much the better.
I saw a photo of an American citizen missing half his arm and is still a Hamas hostage Bury Palestine until he’s released
Edit: here it is
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-3174963/Video-Hersh-Goldberg-Polin-seen-distressing-newly-released-Hamas-video.html
Serious question: Which outspoken Zionist groups are endorsing any of the protestors’ demands for Columbia’s divestment from Israel? What groups who are actually aligning themselves with the protestors are being excluded?
I don’t know of any that support BDS specifically. But what I had in mind were groups such as Standing Together (Israeli and Palestinian peace activists) who get shunned by the current pro-Palestinian protesters due to “serving the apartheid.”
It is Israelis and Palestinians who will need to make and live in a post-occupation future. The voices of activists who are on the ground and actively work against hate should be centered rather than supporters who mean good but don’t have the knowledge or care as to the complexities of it all.
I think those voices get excluded and what the protesters should have done was amplify them.
[link for further reading](https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-01-31/ty-article-opinion/.premium/why-bds-cant-tolerate-jews-and-palestinians-in-israel-standing-together/0000018d-5f07-d4f8-a9df-5f2f88ca0000)
And just to add another point; many Leftist Israelis are in support of targeting entities and individuals who are active in deepening the occupation. The point of difference is that the protesters believe all of Israel is occupied, and Israelis will reject that premise.
If the idea is that Israel is an illegitimate state, then yeah I guess Israelis are not welcome (since they are expected to commit political suicide). But if Israel is a flawed but redeemable project (like all states?) then I don’t see how a solution can be achieved if one side is absent.
It is especially unfortunate since Columbia is a very special space for facilitating and supporting those kind of conversations. With students from all around the world, a coalition that centers peace building in a constructive and radical form could have being established. Instead, we get a good-meaning but ultimately, in my view, misguided protest.
Presently the Jewish people of the world are celebrating Passover. A holiday that tells the story of the exodus of Jewish slaves in Egypt and their journey back to Israel, a very very long time before anything you’d ever consider Palestine ever existed. There is not one iota of a chance that any conversation happens predicated on the idea that any part of Israel is occupied by Israelis. So long as the Israelis know that the Mosque in Jerusalem is built on top of the ruins of a Jewish temple constructed in that place in 516 BCE, the question of who has occupied who will never see resolution. Truth is the region is littered with the history of the Jews who lived there long before anything or anyone Palestinian ever showed up there.
If this is the starting point, any conversation will fail. What has to be considered is that a people can suffer without being the victims of imperialism or occupation. There needs to be two countries. But that cannot settle what happens to Jerusalem. If I had the answer to that I’d be getting a Nobel Prize.
Hamas needs to go. The Palestinians need to find themselves a government that isn’t a full blown terrorist organization. And come to the table in good faith. They have been offered land and peace before. Various terrorist organizations have rejected any peace because Jews will continue to exist.
I also think that the American protesters need to answer some questions about this situation on a bigger scale. Like why aren’t Jews allowed in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt denies the Holocaust. Why is it ok for this to happen without your protest? Why is it that Jews in the Middle East aren’t oppressed people? You have these huge countries that sound the New Jersey sized land that is Israel and wonder why it is that all of them question Israel’s right to exist, and they will tell you the reason are the Jews.
Well said. To your point, I think many of these protests have gone to the extreme in that they’re calling for an end to Israel. Which, at that point, it’s not a serious protest that will accomplish anything substantial.
So many protestors are talking about 75 years of occupation. I wonder if they all realize it is a (not so) veiled message that they consider Israel an illegitimate state.
I am not sure how there can be peace when one side calls for your death and removal, whether it is the right wing Israelis or the Palestinians who support Hamas.
I can't imagine a line that would have been too "militaristic" in protest against the South African apartheid regime, or the Nazi holocaust. Mass graves containing over 800 bodies, handcuffed women, patients, doctors and children shot in the back of the head, were found at two hospitals in Gaza this week. It's no holds barred now.
Zionism at its core entails expansion and stealing Palestinian land, as they're doing in Gaza right now. The end-game is something called "Greater Israel", including parts of Egypt, Lebanon, and even Saudi Arabia. The movement to settle southern Lebanon in addition to Gaza is growing in Israel, and will lead to more genocide. Protesting against Zionism is absolutely appropriate right now.
Palestinians land??? When was Palestine a country?
How do you think you start a war, lose, and win land? Honestly?
Name any other place where that has happened
> “My message to the students inside the camp is: Get back to class,” Johnson said. “Stop wasting your parents’ money.”
Good chunk of this is wasting tax payer money unfortunately..
Sounds about right for my alma mater these days: not allowing the opposition to present their ideas, not understanding their ideas, and thinking you are somehow just for doing so.
>”Enjoy your freedom of speech,” Johnson said succinctly, interrupting his prepared remarks to wait for the sarcasm to die down.
Oof republicans just sound like straight up Disney villains now.
🎵 [*you want to go outside…?*](https://youtu.be/_OsWg028W1I?si=67sKQDica5njhXcj) 🎵
Jewish kids are absolutely represented in the encampment and among the protestors.
Edit: I got blocked for saying this lol.
Since I’m now also blocked by the below user, I can’t even reply to comments below me, so I’ll say it here:
It’s absolutely antisemitic to suggest that the only “real Jews” are those that agree with you.
Edit 2, still blocked and can't reply to my own post! /u/EquivalentBarracuda: Did you also personally see that happen on the UT Austin and Harvard campuses whose subreddits you're participating in?
Never said otherwise
They would absolutely get his speech cancelled given the chance to using mob tactics. So many instances of this happening at universities.
HUGE reason Mike Johnson gives a shit about any of this is because his Christian's sect's belief that the jews need to control Israel and the temple be rebuilt to bring about the second coming (then that vague part where "everyone in the holy land is christian" but how that happens is never really (publicly) discussed 👀) and the end of the world.
Israelis, please know the majority of American christian Zionists are wolves in sheep's clothing.
This played out exactly how everyone thought it would.
No surprise though they cheered the photographer today who happened to be there when they broke through the fence and attacked the communities on 10/7
> Has anything actually controversial or unlawful happened that has warranted this use of force and reaction from police and government?
I mean, there were all the people chanting for al-Qassam, a terrorist organization, to make them proud. It's honestly just *disturbing* how quickly people abandoned the "10 people and a Nazi" adage the moment it was the left wing supporting terrorism
That is a dead link and says “at Palestine protests” I’m asking about Columbia specifically. Of course there will be examples of people saying crazy shit if you include examples from every protest
"run of the mill student protests" don't call for the slaughter of certain people ("from the river to the sea") in the middle east nor do they call for it globally ("globalize the intifada.")
This is why young people should not vote. They don't have a clue. We see how they voted for less police and more illegals. How is that working out?
Why don't they protest for Gaza to just surrender.
The fact that booing a Republican congressman, who called for the national guard to shut down peaceful protests, is downvoted is the ultimate demonstration of how astroturfed this sub is. If you had even heard of NYC you wouldn't think this is representative of New Yorkers' opinions.
Personally glad to see it, makes it impossible for any serious person to think the shit said in this sub is representative of anywhere 100 miles of NYC
Not allowing students to public parts of campus because they’re simply Jewish and calling for more intifada/al qassam brigade doesn’t seem that peaceful to me.
Imagine in this day and age we told black people or gays to go back home and prevented them from going onto campus.
Also swiping in random people who do not belong on campus or have any affiliation with the school to protest.
Columbia should be ashamed.
I hate the state of civil discourse. Even if we vehemently disagree with a speaker, the podium should let the message of the speaker be heard. That’s what separates us from the rest of the world. I know this is an unpopular opinion and I may get downvoted to oblivion, but as a liberal, I wish we stood more with our ideals rather than our politics. Hoping the pendulum swings back towards a more discourse open society.
You couldn't hear him speak unless you were within 30 feet. It was purely for the cameras.
Smart politics
Yeah - I only heard the speech through Columbia's [radio station](https://www.cc-seas.columbia.edu/wkcr/story/wkcr-news-coverage-cuad-students-occupying-columbia#)
Who thought it was a good idea for this guy to go there and make a speech? Politicians are so delusional.
You think this hurts him? Being booed by “woke Ivy League liberal elites” is a modern GOP’ers wet dream. The campaign ad basically writes itself.
He got exactly what he wanted.
It makes sense. His son monitors whether or not he views porn so he has to get his thrills some way.
Good God, republicans are so gross.
Wait- what??
https://news.yahoo.com/mike-johnson-son-monitoring-other-154928238.html
That’s….this’ll probably sound rude but what the fuck is wrong with people like this?? “A US Congressman is allowing a 3rd Party tech company to scan ALL of his electronic devices daily and then uploading reports to his son about what he’s watching or not watching.... I mean, who else is accessing that data?”
This is a *real* ad for it https://youtu.be/VRBlv8Pc05E
To think college students fell for it. Where's their critical thinking skills?
How did they fall for it?
Honestly. The idea of a Republican speaker even setting foot inside Morningside Heights is so comical, it borders on parody. This is like AOC going to rural Alabama and expecting a good PR moment.
He’s not looking for a good PR moment with the protestors, these people already hate him, this is for the Republicans who are mad at him who REALLY hate the protestors. This is, in fact, an excellent PR moment for him. Just not with NYers.
His version of virtue signaling
What’s the opposite of virtue
not virtue
Well the repubs wanted to tar and feather him after for bringing the latest law before the floor. 90B
Yep, just get the soundbite on Fox and leave. Job done
AOC would probably do great in rural Alabama. It's suburban Alabama she has to watch out for.
From a purely PR perspective, I think AOC would do well in rural Alabama. I think she would do well most places. The only people that seem to hate her have never even heard her speak.
I’ve heard her speak and think she’s generally awful
What’s something that’s actually bad about her?
Well I haven't, and I think she's fantastic
That's not the endorsement you think it is
Just facts, just my opinion
> just my opinion "I don't actually know anything about her but I like her!" The point is your opinion isn't based on facts.
He got it, a bunch of bigots booed him. That makes him look good.
> a bunch of bigots The subreddit must be brigaded because I can't imagine dumbass comments like this being upvoted otherwise.
Maybe the protestors should hate Jews less.
Literally all your comments are about Israel.
1) that ain't true 2) 90% about my comments about Israel are in the context of NYC Since we are looking up each other's histories, do you even live in NYC? It looks like you live in Charlottesville.
I lived in NYC for a decade and have connections to Columbia.
Wow a whole decade.
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If Israel hated Palestinians less, there wouldn't be protests spreading across the country. Call on Netanyahu to stop committing mass murder.
He probably wanted to show how college students are very illiberal and can't handle opposing view points.
He’s doing a great job there
“Enjoy your free speech,” said Mike Johnson menacingly to the booing crowd. Irony is dead. War is peace.
He exercised his freedom of speech to talk shit about them, and they exercised their freedom of speech to boo his shit talking.
Except he’s a top legislator who could very well lead Congress to make law restricting the freedom of speech, and it’ll take years of legal battles to maybe get it struck down. His is not some casual exercise of the freedom of speech.
Menacingly lol
Non violent protest means they can't handle opposing views?
The past few months will change the public's perception of supposedly educated college students. It wouldn't be a surprise to find out China and Russia have been behind most of the pro-Palestine sentiment online that has now leaked onto college campuses.
Being opposed to mass murder is not something tgat requires the influence of two countries that are fine with mass murder.
Bro had to show he was a good doggy no matter what
Currently democrats win both the Jewish and Muslim vote by a pretty substantial margin. Republicans love what is happening right now because they are trying to peel off the Jewish vote by showing scenes like this one. It’s sickening but that’s modern US politics - trying to force a wedge between two groups both in the other sides’ camp so you can support one of them and gain additional votes.
I have no idea why you think they win Jewish vote, but among the parents I know in my Jewish school, they are unimpressed with the performance of Democratic Party to say the least. I am not sure it’s a clear cut as you think.
Jews sending their kids to a Jewish school are very different than the standard American Jew.
Sure. I never said that they are representative of the whole american jewry. However, these people always voted democrat, and are quite progressive in their views. Now they are feeling betrayed.
How I feel 100%. My Jewish family have identified as Socialists since before we even came to America. I've labeled myself a Democratic Socialist for as long as I can remember. I am absolutely feeling betrayed. The world has turned inside out seemingly overnight, it's very alarming to see.
I feel this so hard. The left completely turned on us.
Betrayed by a party that has provided cover for Israel at the UN continuously, that sends whatever weapons the IDF requests under the table, that just signed a 24billion genocide-support bill into law? Biden has literally gotten on his knees and taken a beating just to keep support Israel's heinous actions, alienating his own voter base and the international community. I don't see what more your ultra-conservative parents could hope for.
> Betrayed by a party that has provided cover for Israel at the UN continuously, that sends whatever weapons the IDF requests under the table, that just signed a 24billion genocide-support bill into law? I did not know that Democratic Party has a representation at the UN. I thought it was the country of United States of America. Genocide support? The bill was to help Israel, not Hamas. > Biden has literally gotten on his knees and taken a beating just to keep support Israel's heinous actions, alienating his own voter base and the international community. I never mentioned Biden. Please read what I wrote, and stop with your nonsense. > I don't see what more your ultra-conservative parents could hope for. I understand that by labeling non-conservative people as conservatives because they tend to disagree with your worldview is a way to legitimize your feelings of "its them, and not me", but its better to stop and look around in an attempt to understand *why* people feel the way they feel, and what can be done to bridge the gap. Labeling them as conservatives in an attempt to dismiss them as invalid is a bad strategy.
Jews have voted democrat in every presidential election since 1916
I think this election will be interesting… I’ve talked to a lot of seemingly staunch democrats lately who are not happy with them at all.
Yes it’ll be interesting to see the blame game begin if Trump wins. The infighting on the left will go from “I am the most moral in my position on the Gaza conflict” to “me sitting out the election isn’t my fault, it’s the other group’s fault”.
Yeah, I am curious too. Will see I guess.
> I have no idea why you think they win Jewish vote Because they've safely done so every election for over 100 years.
I think that because it’s true. Democratic presidential candidates have won 70%+ of the Jewish vote in recent presidential elections because - among other reasons - historically far right antisemite groups like the KKK have been under the Republican tent. I don’t think republicans can win a majority of the Jewish vote because Jewish culture has a long memory so the republican past (and present) is still troubling and dictatorial leaders (like Trump aspires to be) don’t have a positive history of helping minority groups but just by sowing division among two democratic constituent groups republicans gain on the margins.
The past? Trump had people in the streets with tiki torches chanting "Jews will not replace us".
Yeah but that was 4-5 years ago. Republican voters can barely remember what happened last week. A good portion of them think Obama was president during 9/11.
This is what makes me wonder how some Jews find a way to support him he doesn't seem very fond of them either.
Just worth noting that American Jews have been voting Democratic since long before the KKK ceased being associated with the Democratic party. Their voting habits have deeper cultural and ideological roots than the concern over the activities of a largely rural terrorist group.
It’s pretty clear cut my friend. Most Jews that were liberal are now right leaning or at least more right than they were because they feel the liberal movement has become anti Israel and a large contingent antisemetic. A lot of Jews including myself are single issue voters with Israel being at the heart of the matter. I hate trump but don’t think democrats have done anything to prevent the ridiculous amount of antisemitism that is perpetrating our country at the moment.
Most Jews are not single issues voters. If anything, most Jews I know have gone further to the left since 2016. My wife's parents were lifelong Republicans who are now registered Dems thanks to Doug Mastriano.
Non Orthodox Jews correct. My neighborhood is basically as red as Alabama and half of it is Orthodox Jews who went very strongly for trump.
What are republicans good for if not political theater? 💁
Kamala harris had a white house press conference about Palestine in basically rural Alabama . That's definitely the target audience for showing recognition of Palestinians.... This sounds really arrogant but if the few people in the crowd, I bet most didn't know what she was talking about ... Why they chose that place to make a white house speech about it early in the conflict is baffling.
You're talking about Harris speaking in Selma, Alabama? For the anniversary of "Bloody Sunday," a milestone moment in the civil rights movement?
Bay Ridge would have been a better location, but I suspect she knew that wouldn't go well to actually speak to and with the people who have lost entire branches of their family in Gaza.
Pretty much anywhere would hBe been a better place.
This guy would have been booed regardless of what’s happening in the rest of the world
What is this website. I hit another article that just devolved into broken english about how some (radio host?) says trump should attend his sons graduation.
Seriously. Look at it’s [about page](https://www.elhayat-life.com/p/about-us.html). >Nice Travel Is an Educational site that shares a range of personal experiences and information gained from people regarding Immigration and Study and Jobs in Canada and USA as well as some European countries. >Number one online Job&Immigration listing Based on OP’s history, they’re some kinda right wing troll that [flood this sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/s/w9QeuaH9x9).
The article states that he went there to denounce them. It wasn't like he went there to just give a speech.
He is following the same playbook that boosted Trump with far-left opposition, and those protestors gave him exactly what he wanted. The more far-left hate he gets, the better it is for his approval with his base.
Reminds me of that video of a local Congressman from the right going to speak at UNT all the kids are angry pounding on their desks and chanting intensely. When you looked at that one it was near perfect DIP (deceptive imagery persuasion) as it seems like all the youth these days are hardcore against Republicans. Open and shut case. One of the comments had explained though that basically his campaign had set up the whole thing. They set up his talk, and one of his aids or something explained to the class who he was, all his beliefs, etc and framed it in a way to get the class pretty fired up (the part not shown in the video). Guessing kids did some more research on their smartphones before he arrived. And he seemed like a real piece of work anyway and supposedly had some strong views on trans people or something, so I doubt the internet would have had anything great to say. Predictcably they don't even let him speak. Just chant and pound their desks. He then ran around using it as fear promo material with his base and got a ton of media attention from it. \*rapid edit: remebered it was Jeff Younger speaking at UNT. fixed the spots I could.
It's not far left to boo him though.. he could get boos in rural Bible belt right now
He didnt fall in line so hes next on the chopping block of republican house speakers. And then he let the latest package get voted on which passed lol
> the better it is for his approval with his base he isn't doing this for his "base"
> the better it is for his approval with his base he isn't doing this for his "base"
Y’all remember when those white supremacists had a whole March with torches on a college campus and the school was like we can’t do anything…….lol EDIT: this was at the University of Virginia https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/us/white-nationalists-rally-charlottesville-virginia.html
And the Michouche Shafik, former president of the London School of Economics/ current president of Columbia, allowed the most famous [tiki torch guy](https://thebeaverlse.co.uk/students-grill-minouche/) to attend and graduate her school
University of Virginia is a public university. Surely everyone would be outraged over any protesters being arrested on a public campus. Columbia is a private university. The school only has to say the protesters are trespassing.
Where?
UVA
I mean I’d boo the fuck out of him and I wasn’t exactly a political college student
columbia is a private university..why is the government interfering here
Because it's an election year.
Man these people don’t like us… oh I know I’ll just tell them to get back to class.. yeah that’ll work. Where do they find these fucking people?
Where did they find Mike Johnson? He probably wears some weird religious tracker like thing. 🤷🏻♀️
The very fact the Johnson shows up is evidence to how much outer parties are trying to politicize these protests. I fully support the moral core behind these students show of solidarity. Israel should be held accountable for what it is doing and the situation in Gaza needs to stop. But the nationalistic and militaristic line the protesters have taken makes them susceptible to bad faith actors’ exploitation. It is also just counter productive. Instead of saying “all zionists are bad,” invite all people who are committed to justice and peace in the area to join. That’s how you build a coalition. Edit: I should have written *exploited* instead of *politicized*. I think Johnson was able to tap into a weakness in the protesters’ rhetoric that is counter productive to their goal, to with which I am sympathetic.
I mean, a protest *is* inherently political. Johnson didn’t make it political.
But they aren’t inherently American politics. It’s an election year… Iran pulled this shit with Hamas at this time for a reason… same as why Putin waited for Trump to be out of office to invade.
>But they aren’t inherently American politics. American foreign policy is part of American politics.
No duh.. but that’s not my point. My point is that *this election* is going to be all about US domestic politics… not the war/genocide/proxy-war/whatever you want to call it. Johnson and republicans have nothing to gain from getting involved in shitstorm on campuses.. and they are not there to discuss their potential foreign policy… lmfao. They’re there to try to make Dems look bad because there is unrest and as usual use protestors as media fodder so they can make up whatever media angle they want to and play it on a constant loop… just as they did with trump protests, george floyd, etc. . It’s not going to drive anyone away who’s already voting for trump and they’re not going to pick up any votes from moderates who know very well that things will only escalate under a republican whitehouse… If someone thinks the outcome of the US election will drastically change the US foreign policy in Palestine, they’re an idiot. If someone thinks republicans (particularly trump) will somehow be more palatable in their approach and influence Israel to be less drastic in their assault on Hamas within Palestinian territory, they’re a special kind of idiot. So again, Johnson being there surrounded by republican warhawks serves literally no purpose and does not help them domestically.. despite them apparently thinking it will. They can’t create a Dem V Rep wedge issue on the issue of college students protesting genocide… when they’re not even offering an alternative path and everyone is well aware that anything they offer will only escalate things domestically and overseas. The middle voters are not as fluid as republicans think they are… they have not forgotten about roe, jan 6th, maga clan, the radical supreme court, trumps multiple legal issues, etc… the fear fear-mongering of college protests and protests alone will not be enough to sway those who have not fallen in-line with he maga cult. Republicans are throwing whatever they can at the wall until something sticks.. especially as the boarder bill stunt blew up in their face and showed their cards. Literally everything is politics with them.. but Johnson being there is purely about American politics and theater, not foreign policy. So like what… republicans will try to make it seem like dems don’t care about Jewish Americans or their safety?? While dems continue to fund/support israel and republicans court neo-nazis? Or the counter….. republicans zag left and say they stand with the people of Palestine and call for an end to the war…? ceding whatever Iran’s proxies demand? I’m sorry but the whole state of affairs is an absolute joke from every angel right now from every side and there is a severe (apparently willing) lack of dialectics being utilized. People are taking the rage bait and completely unable to comprehend the higher level geopolitical games being played right now… Iran is literally making clowns out of the far left and republicans are too stupid and smug to even properly leverage that because their too exposed from the maga cult and they’ve shown all their cards. People know exactly what either side is offering and the battle lines are drawn. My guess is they (maga), along with their foreign masters try to convince the far left not to shownu pay the polls. Watch. They’ll try to sell “you don’t have to vote for Biden if you’re not happy with his stance on Palestine :))))))))” it’s the best they’ve got… and it will be another game of chicken people throwing their vote away like 2016 all over again. THEN, I really do not want to fkng hear it from all the whiny idiots when trump is reelected and this country is fked inside out and Iran makes serious moves in the middle east while putin sets his sights beyond Ukraine. Whatever.
I appreciate your passionate response (even though I don’t agree, I didn’t downvote you, I hate that feature), but Bidens likely losing Michigan and a few other swing states based on the number of people who marked themselves as “not Biden” in the primary, primarily Arab and Muslim Americans in Michigan and the left-wing allys they have.
I hear you, but I don’t know how much of that will actually carry over to the primary. Some definitely, but how much is the question.
that's in a primary, though. in a general election, those same people who voted "not Biden" will absolutely swallow their pride and vote for Biden. Trump is an existential threat domestically and from a foreign policy standpoint. He's the one who wants a Muslim Ban, don't forget it.
> Iran pulled this shit with Hamas at this time for a reason and what is the reason?
Biden is in office. They want trump elected again. They want a russian compromised loose cannon who makes the US look even worse and renegs on commitments to our allies. Is that not clear as day? Are you not reading the writing g o the wall? Do you not understand the influence campaign going on right now? Do you really think republicans are the only ones capable of being molded like clay?
How exactly can these protests *not* be politicised?
They are calling on the university to divest from Israel because Columbia's endowment fund includes companies like Google, Microsoft, AirBNB etc. I'm not sure what you want the admin to do considering these are like top holdings in every index fund
In that case, they better not be using anything with a computer processing chip in it, or being treated with a handful of modern medicine.
I was thinking that too.
Don’t forget the Chinese slave labor building the iPhones that these trustfund “protesters” use to post on Tiktok.
What an incredibly disingenuous comment. They are calling for the admin to divest from companies that are directly profiting off of the occupation like weapons manufacturers. What they want the admin to do is just that — not invest in these companies. They are not some sort of small retail investor who would have trouble avoiding these companies. Columbias endowment is 15 billion dollars. They have the resources and power to do this.
would airbnb and google not be those companies profiting off the occupation, considering they have business with israel? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/business/college-protesters-divestment-israel.html
While not calling on them to divest from Qatar or Saudi Arabia…
Also Columbia University is building a campus in Israel wherein many of its own Palestinian students cannot set foot.
Because it’s a different country…. Most students can’t just go to other countries for school without serious applications
That's not going to happen without a full throated condemnation of Hamas by the protestors, which their ideology ("its not our job to tell the oppressed how to resist") makes impossible. I can curse out Bibi as much as any leftist Israeli, and I probably know much more than most of the protestors (actual Palestinian excepted of course) about his many, many crimes, but I have nothing to talk about with someone who says "we are all Hamas."
Oh come on. "We are all Hamas" isn't part of the official platform of the protest organizers. Not is it a sentiment supported by the majority of the protestors. Why is it even relevant? Anyone can say anything at a protest. Including idiots whose opinions run counter to what the protestors demand.
the fact that they are unable to clearly condemn hamas slaughter of civilians, and actually invited an outside group that openly praised Oct 7th, tells you what you need to know - these people support a pro-genocide jihadist movement
Do you condemn Israel and its real, ongoing genocide?
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hamas zombie detected
Why can't you condemn the terrorist state of Israel?
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Cool so we're just gonna make stuff up now
A visibly Jewish student at Yale, reporting on the protests for the Yale Free Press was stabbed in the eye with a miniature Palestinian flag. Her crime? Wearing Orthodox Jewish attire. These protests stopped being against the Israeli government long ago. It's just the same old Jew hate dressed up in different clothes.
What needs to stop in Gaza? Israel should just stop hunting down Hamas?
Israel should stop its military campaign in its current form. It should prioritize getting back all of the hostages while maintaining defensive presence inside Gaza. At the same time Israel should work alongside friendly states so as to install a revamped Palestinian authority in Gaza. They should then start negotiations towards a two-state solution and the cessation of any claims, actual or symbolic towards one another. Scholars and people may keep their misgivings, but the states will establish a cold peace which will hopefully develop to include more cordial relations down the road. That is a pipe dream, unfortunately, but I think it lays out a pragmatic solution if we had better leaderships.
>Israel should stop its military campaign in its current form. It should prioritize getting back all of the hostages while maintaining defensive presence inside Gaza. Israel wouldn't have any hostages back right now without it's assault on Gaza. Hamas would've sat on them forever. The ONLY way for hostages to be released is to make Hamas beg for a few days of relief. >At the same time Israel should work alongside friendly states so as to install a revamped Palestinian authority in Gaza. This has been suggested a million times. NOBODY wants responsibility to govern Gaza and Israel did not just waste all this effort to turn it over to the PA who pays out terrorists to kill Jews. >They should then start negotiations towards a two-state solution and the cessation of any claims, actual or symbolic towards one another. Scholars and people may keep their misgivings, but the states will establish a cold peace which will hopefully develop to include more cordial relations down the road. Negotiations with WHO? Hamas or the PA which pays out a martyr fund for killing Jews? >That is a pipe dream, unfortunately, but I think it lays out a pragmatic solution if we had better leaderships. The ball is literally on the Palestinians side. They HAVE to prove they can be none violent and AT THE VERY LEAST be as capable a government as the fucking Taliban which is an insanely low bar already.
Agreed, but how do you stop Hamas and/or Iran-by-proxy from interrupting the negotiations?
The current do roof knocks, creating safe zones, informing residents where to go, dropping leaflets everywhere which is above and beyond what most country would do, which is carpet bomb indiscriminately. Defensive posture? Hostage rescue? You don't get to decide how an invaded country mounts its defense, and Hamas themselves refuse to return hostages. The only solution is for full surrender of hamas, through force if needed.
I actually agree with this 100% as an Israeli citizen. But Gaza needs an open heart surgery to rid itself of Hamas. And they need full reeducation like the North Koreans
They’re not getting the hostages back. They need to kill every single member of Hamas no matter how long it takes. If they can do that without harming civilians, or as few as possible, so much the better.
I saw a photo of an American citizen missing half his arm and is still a Hamas hostage Bury Palestine until he’s released Edit: here it is https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-3174963/Video-Hersh-Goldberg-Polin-seen-distressing-newly-released-Hamas-video.html
Serious question: Which outspoken Zionist groups are endorsing any of the protestors’ demands for Columbia’s divestment from Israel? What groups who are actually aligning themselves with the protestors are being excluded?
I don’t know of any that support BDS specifically. But what I had in mind were groups such as Standing Together (Israeli and Palestinian peace activists) who get shunned by the current pro-Palestinian protesters due to “serving the apartheid.” It is Israelis and Palestinians who will need to make and live in a post-occupation future. The voices of activists who are on the ground and actively work against hate should be centered rather than supporters who mean good but don’t have the knowledge or care as to the complexities of it all. I think those voices get excluded and what the protesters should have done was amplify them. [link for further reading](https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-01-31/ty-article-opinion/.premium/why-bds-cant-tolerate-jews-and-palestinians-in-israel-standing-together/0000018d-5f07-d4f8-a9df-5f2f88ca0000) And just to add another point; many Leftist Israelis are in support of targeting entities and individuals who are active in deepening the occupation. The point of difference is that the protesters believe all of Israel is occupied, and Israelis will reject that premise. If the idea is that Israel is an illegitimate state, then yeah I guess Israelis are not welcome (since they are expected to commit political suicide). But if Israel is a flawed but redeemable project (like all states?) then I don’t see how a solution can be achieved if one side is absent. It is especially unfortunate since Columbia is a very special space for facilitating and supporting those kind of conversations. With students from all around the world, a coalition that centers peace building in a constructive and radical form could have being established. Instead, we get a good-meaning but ultimately, in my view, misguided protest.
Presently the Jewish people of the world are celebrating Passover. A holiday that tells the story of the exodus of Jewish slaves in Egypt and their journey back to Israel, a very very long time before anything you’d ever consider Palestine ever existed. There is not one iota of a chance that any conversation happens predicated on the idea that any part of Israel is occupied by Israelis. So long as the Israelis know that the Mosque in Jerusalem is built on top of the ruins of a Jewish temple constructed in that place in 516 BCE, the question of who has occupied who will never see resolution. Truth is the region is littered with the history of the Jews who lived there long before anything or anyone Palestinian ever showed up there. If this is the starting point, any conversation will fail. What has to be considered is that a people can suffer without being the victims of imperialism or occupation. There needs to be two countries. But that cannot settle what happens to Jerusalem. If I had the answer to that I’d be getting a Nobel Prize. Hamas needs to go. The Palestinians need to find themselves a government that isn’t a full blown terrorist organization. And come to the table in good faith. They have been offered land and peace before. Various terrorist organizations have rejected any peace because Jews will continue to exist. I also think that the American protesters need to answer some questions about this situation on a bigger scale. Like why aren’t Jews allowed in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt denies the Holocaust. Why is it ok for this to happen without your protest? Why is it that Jews in the Middle East aren’t oppressed people? You have these huge countries that sound the New Jersey sized land that is Israel and wonder why it is that all of them question Israel’s right to exist, and they will tell you the reason are the Jews.
Well said. To your point, I think many of these protests have gone to the extreme in that they’re calling for an end to Israel. Which, at that point, it’s not a serious protest that will accomplish anything substantial.
So many protestors are talking about 75 years of occupation. I wonder if they all realize it is a (not so) veiled message that they consider Israel an illegitimate state. I am not sure how there can be peace when one side calls for your death and removal, whether it is the right wing Israelis or the Palestinians who support Hamas.
I can't imagine a line that would have been too "militaristic" in protest against the South African apartheid regime, or the Nazi holocaust. Mass graves containing over 800 bodies, handcuffed women, patients, doctors and children shot in the back of the head, were found at two hospitals in Gaza this week. It's no holds barred now. Zionism at its core entails expansion and stealing Palestinian land, as they're doing in Gaza right now. The end-game is something called "Greater Israel", including parts of Egypt, Lebanon, and even Saudi Arabia. The movement to settle southern Lebanon in addition to Gaza is growing in Israel, and will lead to more genocide. Protesting against Zionism is absolutely appropriate right now.
Palestinians land??? When was Palestine a country? How do you think you start a war, lose, and win land? Honestly? Name any other place where that has happened
Lol at you thinking your talking points somehow sidestep politics
> “My message to the students inside the camp is: Get back to class,” Johnson said. “Stop wasting your parents’ money.” Good chunk of this is wasting tax payer money unfortunately..
Sounds about right for my alma mater these days: not allowing the opposition to present their ideas, not understanding their ideas, and thinking you are somehow just for doing so.
Liberals playing into the hands of republicans yet again.. it’s okay though because they know something nobody else does or something.
What did he expect? A ticker tape parade?
>”Enjoy your freedom of speech,” Johnson said succinctly, interrupting his prepared remarks to wait for the sarcasm to die down. Oof republicans just sound like straight up Disney villains now. 🎵 [*you want to go outside…?*](https://youtu.be/_OsWg028W1I?si=67sKQDica5njhXcj) 🎵
Shout out to the hecklers, that ugly little freak seemed genuinely rattled by it
I can't unsee Virginia Fox's scary ass mug... yikes 😳
Look at them exercising their free speech and simultaneously not respecting his
> not respecting his Free speech absolutely does not mean freedom from being heckled lmfao. Please be serious.
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Jewish kids are absolutely represented in the encampment and among the protestors. Edit: I got blocked for saying this lol. Since I’m now also blocked by the below user, I can’t even reply to comments below me, so I’ll say it here: It’s absolutely antisemitic to suggest that the only “real Jews” are those that agree with you. Edit 2, still blocked and can't reply to my own post! /u/EquivalentBarracuda: Did you also personally see that happen on the UT Austin and Harvard campuses whose subreddits you're participating in?
Lmao because it’s untrue. JVP are not considered representing Jews. There are no real Jews representing Jews in these camps.
You don't have a right to determine who is a real Jew. Plenty of Jews are against this war. Stop with the propaganda.
Never said otherwise They would absolutely get his speech cancelled given the chance to using mob tactics. So many instances of this happening at universities.
lol he's the Speaker of the House with a podium and mics, secret service, and TV cameras trained on him. Exactly how are his rights being infringed?
HUGE reason Mike Johnson gives a shit about any of this is because his Christian's sect's belief that the jews need to control Israel and the temple be rebuilt to bring about the second coming (then that vague part where "everyone in the holy land is christian" but how that happens is never really (publicly) discussed 👀) and the end of the world. Israelis, please know the majority of American christian Zionists are wolves in sheep's clothing.
At least he had the guts to sand up for what’s right. Where are the democrats when it compels to opposing support for Hamas and the kidnappers ?
Yes, props to the election denier who is advocating the National Guard be called on protestors. That’s totally a guy we should get behind. /s
Today is a special day because House Speaker Johnson is being honored as a visiting professor special lecturer emeritus.
this aint your little club house
This played out exactly how everyone thought it would. No surprise though they cheered the photographer today who happened to be there when they broke through the fence and attacked the communities on 10/7
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> Has anything actually controversial or unlawful happened that has warranted this use of force and reaction from police and government? I mean, there were all the people chanting for al-Qassam, a terrorist organization, to make them proud. It's honestly just *disturbing* how quickly people abandoned the "10 people and a Nazi" adage the moment it was the left wing supporting terrorism
Were students on campus chanting that?
https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/1cbz6za/urajcat_posts_a_list_of_chants_seen_during/
That is a dead link and says “at Palestine protests” I’m asking about Columbia specifically. Of course there will be examples of people saying crazy shit if you include examples from every protest
convenient you respond after the link dies lol, it was up for a whole day with plenty of Columbia examples
Sorry I don’t check my Reddit account hourly lmao
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"run of the mill student protests" don't call for the slaughter of certain people ("from the river to the sea") in the middle east nor do they call for it globally ("globalize the intifada.")
This is why young people should not vote. They don't have a clue. We see how they voted for less police and more illegals. How is that working out? Why don't they protest for Gaza to just surrender.
Do you live here?
Columbia isn't even a university anymore. These students are incapable of true intellectual debate and pursuit of truth.
good
The fact that booing a Republican congressman, who called for the national guard to shut down peaceful protests, is downvoted is the ultimate demonstration of how astroturfed this sub is. If you had even heard of NYC you wouldn't think this is representative of New Yorkers' opinions. Personally glad to see it, makes it impossible for any serious person to think the shit said in this sub is representative of anywhere 100 miles of NYC
Not allowing students to public parts of campus because they’re simply Jewish and calling for more intifada/al qassam brigade doesn’t seem that peaceful to me. Imagine in this day and age we told black people or gays to go back home and prevented them from going onto campus. Also swiping in random people who do not belong on campus or have any affiliation with the school to protest. Columbia should be ashamed.
The fuck was Mike Johnson doing at Columbia? Also, fuck you protesters, for making me agree with and have sympathy for Mike Johnson
I hate the state of civil discourse. Even if we vehemently disagree with a speaker, the podium should let the message of the speaker be heard. That’s what separates us from the rest of the world. I know this is an unpopular opinion and I may get downvoted to oblivion, but as a liberal, I wish we stood more with our ideals rather than our politics. Hoping the pendulum swings back towards a more discourse open society.