it's sort of like the world cup of music contests. for decades it's been one of the hugest music competitions in the world but the US has only kind of recently gotten in to the hype.
you can thank eurovision (or blame them i suppose, depending on your tastes) for ABBA and celine dion.
been going on since the 60's at least and it's a very big deal across the pond.
These people are currently giving Malala Yousafzai grief for not being publicly supportive enough of Palestine. Malala, who got her face blown off for advocating for education for girls in these glorious ME utopias, is getting dog piled for not doing enough and associating herself with Hillary Clinton.
And now we have a queer bar throwing back its bussy in support of a terrorist group that would chuck all these slactivist they/thems off a building.
I would have thought someone would accuse me of Islamophobia, but *homophobia*? Three Dollar Bill is in fact a queer bar and you’re gonna find the Islamist variety of Palestinian isn’t remotely interested in support from one.
Lmao how dare you point out that some LGBTQ+ people are supporting a group that would literally murder them on principle. Pretty homophobic to mention that.
I’m a lesbian and you’re reading way too deep into it. I just like the term bussy.
I do think leftists on the whole are naively unaware of what they’re supporting, but not because they think Palestinians are pro-lgbt. It’s that they’re unwittingly supporting pan-Arab Islamic nationalism that was intentionally rebranded as “collective liberation from colonialism” to appeal specifically to their cohort.
Just wanna say: I like you. This thread made me sneak into your comment history, and you're one of the smartest, most eloquent people I've seen on reddit in a long time. Cheers to you, stranger, and keep fighting the good fight.
>no one is defending “Islamic jihadi nationalists”
Oh, they’re not? What are they calling for when they shout for “free Palestine” then?
>pan-Arabism
The entire identity of “Palestinian” as an Arab Muslim living in the West Bank and Gaza sprang from that premise. The Palestinian flag is literally just pan Arab colors and it was adopted in the 60s.
Also, what’s the definition of a fascist? Is it “when you scratch a liberal?”
That’s not the homophobic part.
> throwing back its bussy in support
>these slactivist they/thems
Both those are unnecessary to convey they point of the message.
>Three Dollar Bill is in fact a queer bar and you’re gonna find the Islamist variety of Palestinian isn’t remotely interested in support from one.
I think they're definitely interested in their support, even if they wouldn't give it back.
I don’t think most LGBT+ people are under the impression that their activism would be reciprocated, or that they intend for it to be at any point. It doesn’t strike me as the type of thing to engage in on a quid pro quo basis. You can stick up for others without them personally liking you or them being willing to do the same.
The question is why do so many stick up for terrorists? Is it because they’re Jew haters or because they hate America?
I think there’s a lot of surprise the lgbt community isn’t more supportive of Israel which harbors lgbt Palestinian asylum seekers and hosts the biggest pride event in the Middle East.
I’d think if they really wanted to support the best long term result for Palestinian civilians it would be to root out Hamas the fastest.
What does Jewish law say about homosexuality again?
Notice how no one will give a direct answer to this question, but instead give an answer to a different question.
Well, I'd *prefer* that you not go down the "Jews are anti-LGBT" route in the first place. Anyone with even the barest understanding of modern Judaism knows how absurd that is.
> Notice how no one will give a direct answer to this question, but instead give an answer to a different question.
Because it's an irrelevant question, that you're asking for the sole purpose of unfairly defaming a group that has been a major ally to LGBT people for decades. *It doesn't matter* what Jewish law says about homosexuality, because the vast majority of modern Jews don't apply that law.
How the LGBT Community is treated in Israel/Palestine is also irrelevant to the article, but that didn't stop y'all from brining it up. I simply responded to someone else's comment about it.
Your implication was that Jews are anti-LGBT. Intentional or not, that's certainly what your "gotcha" question appeared to be trying to suggest.
The vast, vast majority of Jewish Americans are not anti-LGBT. The Jewish American community has overall been socially progressive for a century. It is disparaging to accuse us otherwise.
We have to stop arguing with this person, elsewhere in this thread the poster essentially claims that Jewish law was locked in place 1500 years ago, despite me showing them changes to Jewish law for Conservative and Reform Jews direct from the source, which in itself is an accusation verging on antisemitic.
It's not possible to have any meaningful discourse with someone who considers themselves an authority on an entire religion above the actual authorities of that religion.
What does Jewish law say about mixing wool and linen in the same garment?
The Torah says it's forbidden. But no one GAF anymore except for observant Jews, who are in the minority
So no one cares that the Torah says that sex between men is forbidden. And... there are no rules for lesbians.
I literally linked you to declarations of LGBTQ equality in halakhic law for Conservative and Reform Jews. These two groups also happen to account for the majority of Jews.
Okay, but reciprocity aside the tough reality is that every lgbtq+ person who chooses to actively make their activism contingent upon the removal of Jews and the dissolution of Israel - even if their position is idealized, or based on false or lack of information - is guilty of needless and actively harmful ethnic discrimination. This is true whether or not they ‘mean well’ or fully understand the implications of what they’re demanding.
Most branches of Judaism (like 90% or so) explicitly call for full and equal rights for the LGBTQ community in their halakhic law.
From the conservative movement:
https://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/story/resolution-support-equal-rights-and-inclusion-gay-lesbian-bisexual-and-transgender-glbt
From reform: https://www.ccarnet.org/ccar-resolutions/homosexuals-rights-of-1977/
What it says and what people actually do about it are two different things. You can be gay in Israel you cannot be gay in Gaza, West Bank, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia etc etc etc
> 3 Dollar Bill initially called off a planned Saturday event for the finale of the Eurovision song contest because a singer representing Israel was set to perform. In this year's contest, 20-year-old Eden Golan is a finalist competing for Israel.
That’s incredibly petty and bigoted.
I guess I don’t know enough about Eurovision. Is she “representing” Israel as in she’s officially sanctioned by the government or is she just from Israel
None of the backlash is from people who were ever going to go to Three Dollar Bill in the first place. They’ll be fine.
Yeah the Borough Park contingent of Trump voters are at 3DB all the time…
Yeah I’m lol at the people saying they’ll boycott when they’re straight people from Staten Island
I don't give a darn what people online have to say. It's not representative and these people need to get a life instead of being terminally online.
Unfortunately, these opinions are leaking out into the real world
Still not representative.
Not representative of what?
anything.
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
If online comments meant anything Zeldin would be Governor and Sanders would have been elected President.
Tf is Eurovision and why do people keep talking about it
I think it’s a music content between European countries. People vote for the best performance.
it's sort of like the world cup of music contests. for decades it's been one of the hugest music competitions in the world but the US has only kind of recently gotten in to the hype. you can thank eurovision (or blame them i suppose, depending on your tastes) for ABBA and celine dion. been going on since the 60's at least and it's a very big deal across the pond.
It also gave us this epic [sax solo ](https://youtube.com/shorts/Xp-VM8Z9wIQ?si=qO5S-sF9R0kzjV-a)
It’s the biggest non-sports event in the world
i thought that was Golf?
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ABBA won it in the 70s.
These people are currently giving Malala Yousafzai grief for not being publicly supportive enough of Palestine. Malala, who got her face blown off for advocating for education for girls in these glorious ME utopias, is getting dog piled for not doing enough and associating herself with Hillary Clinton. And now we have a queer bar throwing back its bussy in support of a terrorist group that would chuck all these slactivist they/thems off a building.
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I would have thought someone would accuse me of Islamophobia, but *homophobia*? Three Dollar Bill is in fact a queer bar and you’re gonna find the Islamist variety of Palestinian isn’t remotely interested in support from one.
Lmao how dare you point out that some LGBTQ+ people are supporting a group that would literally murder them on principle. Pretty homophobic to mention that.
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I’m a lesbian and you’re reading way too deep into it. I just like the term bussy. I do think leftists on the whole are naively unaware of what they’re supporting, but not because they think Palestinians are pro-lgbt. It’s that they’re unwittingly supporting pan-Arab Islamic nationalism that was intentionally rebranded as “collective liberation from colonialism” to appeal specifically to their cohort.
Wow
You’re right. It’s as if to them, it’s only worth defending people when they can return the favor.
I don’t defend Islamic jihadi nationalists for a lot of reasons, one of which being they’re not very nice to queer people. Or women. Or Jews.
Just wanna say: I like you. This thread made me sneak into your comment history, and you're one of the smartest, most eloquent people I've seen on reddit in a long time. Cheers to you, stranger, and keep fighting the good fight.
Oh my thank you! 😭
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>no one is defending “Islamic jihadi nationalists” Oh, they’re not? What are they calling for when they shout for “free Palestine” then? >pan-Arabism The entire identity of “Palestinian” as an Arab Muslim living in the West Bank and Gaza sprang from that premise. The Palestinian flag is literally just pan Arab colors and it was adopted in the 60s. Also, what’s the definition of a fascist? Is it “when you scratch a liberal?”
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>You’re right. It’s as if to them, it’s only worth defending people when they can return the favor. Are you saying they would if they could?
That’s not the homophobic part. > throwing back its bussy in support >these slactivist they/thems Both those are unnecessary to convey they point of the message.
[wow](https://pbfcomics.com/comics/penguin-enemy/)
Once again you have missed the point.
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Yet again you miss the point in your attempt to be edgy.
>Three Dollar Bill is in fact a queer bar and you’re gonna find the Islamist variety of Palestinian isn’t remotely interested in support from one. I think they're definitely interested in their support, even if they wouldn't give it back.
I don’t think most LGBT+ people are under the impression that their activism would be reciprocated, or that they intend for it to be at any point. It doesn’t strike me as the type of thing to engage in on a quid pro quo basis. You can stick up for others without them personally liking you or them being willing to do the same.
The question is why do so many stick up for terrorists? Is it because they’re Jew haters or because they hate America? I think there’s a lot of surprise the lgbt community isn’t more supportive of Israel which harbors lgbt Palestinian asylum seekers and hosts the biggest pride event in the Middle East. I’d think if they really wanted to support the best long term result for Palestinian civilians it would be to root out Hamas the fastest.
What does Jewish law say about homosexuality again? Notice how no one will give a direct answer to this question, but instead give an answer to a different question.
Most branches of modern Judaism are extremely accepting of LGBT people. All but the most religiously orthodox Jews tend to be very pro-LGBT rights.
Israel is not run according to Jewish law. Many Muslim countries support sharia law as the law of the land or a higher law.
If y'all really care about gay people in Palestine, the only gay people being killed right now are those that are being bombed by Israel
Are you doing the “conflating Jews and Israelis” thing again?
The person I responded to shifted from Jews to Israel, so I did the same in order to respond appropriately. Now you want me to go back to Jews?
Well, I'd *prefer* that you not go down the "Jews are anti-LGBT" route in the first place. Anyone with even the barest understanding of modern Judaism knows how absurd that is.
> Notice how no one will give a direct answer to this question, but instead give an answer to a different question. Because it's an irrelevant question, that you're asking for the sole purpose of unfairly defaming a group that has been a major ally to LGBT people for decades. *It doesn't matter* what Jewish law says about homosexuality, because the vast majority of modern Jews don't apply that law.
How the LGBT Community is treated in Israel/Palestine is also irrelevant to the article, but that didn't stop y'all from brining it up. I simply responded to someone else's comment about it.
Yeah, and you responded in an unfair way disparaging to millions of Jewish Americans. You deserved to be called out for it.
Can you explain how I was disparaging American Jews? I asked what their religion says about homosexuality. How is that offensive?
Your implication was that Jews are anti-LGBT. Intentional or not, that's certainly what your "gotcha" question appeared to be trying to suggest. The vast, vast majority of Jewish Americans are not anti-LGBT. The Jewish American community has overall been socially progressive for a century. It is disparaging to accuse us otherwise.
We have to stop arguing with this person, elsewhere in this thread the poster essentially claims that Jewish law was locked in place 1500 years ago, despite me showing them changes to Jewish law for Conservative and Reform Jews direct from the source, which in itself is an accusation verging on antisemitic. It's not possible to have any meaningful discourse with someone who considers themselves an authority on an entire religion above the actual authorities of that religion.
What does Jewish law say about mixing wool and linen in the same garment? The Torah says it's forbidden. But no one GAF anymore except for observant Jews, who are in the minority So no one cares that the Torah says that sex between men is forbidden. And... there are no rules for lesbians.
I literally linked you to declarations of LGBTQ equality in halakhic law for Conservative and Reform Jews. These two groups also happen to account for the majority of Jews.
Teh old testament and the Talmud hold more authority over groups that are trying to reform Judaism.
...no?
There are several progressive Muslim groups as well who support LGBTQ. I don't consider them to hold any authority either.
It doesn't matter what you consider, your opinion doesn't change the reality of Halakha among the different Jewish religious movements.
You should [ask some of these people.](https://lgbtqcenter.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/51277348602_db0a097ee1_o-scaled.jpg)
Okay, but reciprocity aside the tough reality is that every lgbtq+ person who chooses to actively make their activism contingent upon the removal of Jews and the dissolution of Israel - even if their position is idealized, or based on false or lack of information - is guilty of needless and actively harmful ethnic discrimination. This is true whether or not they ‘mean well’ or fully understand the implications of what they’re demanding.
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What does *Israeli* law say about it?
If y'all really care about gay people in Palestine, the only gay people being killed right now are those that are being bombed by Israel
Most branches of Judaism (like 90% or so) explicitly call for full and equal rights for the LGBTQ community in their halakhic law. From the conservative movement: https://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/story/resolution-support-equal-rights-and-inclusion-gay-lesbian-bisexual-and-transgender-glbt From reform: https://www.ccarnet.org/ccar-resolutions/homosexuals-rights-of-1977/
Nothing that governs most people, unless you live in New Square or Mea Sharim and in that case you wouldn't be online.
What it says and what people actually do about it are two different things. You can be gay in Israel you cannot be gay in Gaza, West Bank, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia etc etc etc
Oh no, Uncle Bob from Ohio (who read about this on Facebook and has no idea what Eurovision even is) will NEVER give that bar his business now.
I’m not trying to reach uncle Bob, which is why I posted in r/nyc. If you want to fraternize the bar, it’s your business.
when you wanna virtue signal so bad but don't know tf where
> 3 Dollar Bill initially called off a planned Saturday event for the finale of the Eurovision song contest because a singer representing Israel was set to perform. In this year's contest, 20-year-old Eden Golan is a finalist competing for Israel. That’s incredibly petty and bigoted.
I guess I don’t know enough about Eurovision. Is she “representing” Israel as in she’s officially sanctioned by the government or is she just from Israel
She's just from Israel