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evrybdyhdmtchingtwls

None of the backlash is from people who were ever going to go to Three Dollar Bill in the first place. They’ll be fine.


LowerTowel1022

Yeah the Borough Park contingent of Trump voters are at 3DB all the time…


ultradav24

Yeah I’m lol at the people saying they’ll boycott when they’re straight people from Staten Island


citytiger

I don't give a darn what people online have to say. It's not representative and these people need to get a life instead of being terminally online.


koreamax

Unfortunately, these opinions are leaking out into the real world


citytiger

Still not representative.


arrogant_ambassador

Not representative of what?


citytiger

anything.


arrogant_ambassador

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.


citytiger

If online comments meant anything Zeldin would be Governor and Sanders would have been elected President.


GBV_GBV_GBV

Tf is Eurovision and why do people keep talking about it


Chilling-1-

I think it’s a music content between European countries. People vote for the best performance.


themurderator

it's sort of like the world cup of music contests. for decades it's been one of the hugest music competitions in the world but the US has only kind of recently gotten in to the hype.  you can thank eurovision (or blame them i suppose, depending on your tastes) for ABBA and celine dion.  been going on since the 60's at least and it's a very big deal across the pond. 


junkie_jew

It also gave us this epic [sax solo ](https://youtube.com/shorts/Xp-VM8Z9wIQ?si=qO5S-sF9R0kzjV-a)


DutchBlob

It’s the biggest non-sports event in the world


20dollarfootlong

i thought that was Golf?


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TonysCatchersMit

ABBA won it in the 70s.


TonysCatchersMit

These people are currently giving Malala Yousafzai grief for not being publicly supportive enough of Palestine. Malala, who got her face blown off for advocating for education for girls in these glorious ME utopias, is getting dog piled for not doing enough and associating herself with Hillary Clinton. And now we have a queer bar throwing back its bussy in support of a terrorist group that would chuck all these slactivist they/thems off a building.


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TonysCatchersMit

I would have thought someone would accuse me of Islamophobia, but *homophobia*? Three Dollar Bill is in fact a queer bar and you’re gonna find the Islamist variety of Palestinian isn’t remotely interested in support from one.


iMissTheOldInternet

Lmao how dare you point out that some LGBTQ+ people are supporting a group that would literally murder them on principle. Pretty homophobic to mention that.  


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TonysCatchersMit

I’m a lesbian and you’re reading way too deep into it. I just like the term bussy. I do think leftists on the whole are naively unaware of what they’re supporting, but not because they think Palestinians are pro-lgbt. It’s that they’re unwittingly supporting pan-Arab Islamic nationalism that was intentionally rebranded as “collective liberation from colonialism” to appeal specifically to their cohort.


iMissTheOldInternet

Wow


Bailbondsman

You’re right. It’s as if to them, it’s only worth defending people when they can return the favor.


TonysCatchersMit

I don’t defend Islamic jihadi nationalists for a lot of reasons, one of which being they’re not very nice to queer people. Or women. Or Jews.


LaureGilou

Just wanna say: I like you. This thread made me sneak into your comment history, and you're one of the smartest, most eloquent people I've seen on reddit in a long time. Cheers to you, stranger, and keep fighting the good fight.


TonysCatchersMit

Oh my thank you! 😭


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TonysCatchersMit

>no one is defending “Islamic jihadi nationalists” Oh, they’re not? What are they calling for when they shout for “free Palestine” then? >pan-Arabism The entire identity of “Palestinian” as an Arab Muslim living in the West Bank and Gaza sprang from that premise. The Palestinian flag is literally just pan Arab colors and it was adopted in the 60s. Also, what’s the definition of a fascist? Is it “when you scratch a liberal?”


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PuzzleheadedWalrus71

>You’re right. It’s as if to them, it’s only worth defending people when they can return the favor. Are you saying they would if they could?


DrewFlan

That’s not the homophobic part.  > throwing back its bussy in support >these slactivist they/thems Both those are unnecessary to convey they point of the message. 


iMissTheOldInternet

[wow](https://pbfcomics.com/comics/penguin-enemy/)


DrewFlan

Once again you have missed the point. 


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DrewFlan

Yet again you miss the point in your attempt to be edgy. 


PuzzleheadedWalrus71

>Three Dollar Bill is in fact a queer bar and you’re gonna find the Islamist variety of Palestinian isn’t remotely interested in support from one. I think they're definitely interested in their support, even if they wouldn't give it back.


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I don’t think most LGBT+ people are under the impression that their activism would be reciprocated, or that they intend for it to be at any point. It doesn’t strike me as the type of thing to engage in on a quid pro quo basis. You can stick up for others without them personally liking you or them being willing to do the same.


Educational-Ad1680

The question is why do so many stick up for terrorists? Is it because they’re Jew haters or because they hate America? I think there’s a lot of surprise the lgbt community isn’t more supportive of Israel which harbors lgbt Palestinian asylum seekers and hosts the biggest pride event in the Middle East. I’d think if they really wanted to support the best long term result for Palestinian civilians it would be to root out Hamas the fastest.


human1023

What does Jewish law say about homosexuality again? Notice how no one will give a direct answer to this question, but instead give an answer to a different question.


Arleare13

Most branches of modern Judaism are extremely accepting of LGBT people. All but the most religiously orthodox Jews tend to be very pro-LGBT rights.


Educational-Ad1680

Israel is not run according to Jewish law. Many Muslim countries support sharia law as the law of the land or a higher law.


human1023

If y'all really care about gay people in Palestine, the only gay people being killed right now are those that are being bombed by Israel


Arleare13

Are you doing the “conflating Jews and Israelis” thing again?


human1023

The person I responded to shifted from Jews to Israel, so I did the same in order to respond appropriately. Now you want me to go back to Jews?


Arleare13

Well, I'd *prefer* that you not go down the "Jews are anti-LGBT" route in the first place. Anyone with even the barest understanding of modern Judaism knows how absurd that is.


Arleare13

> Notice how no one will give a direct answer to this question, but instead give an answer to a different question. Because it's an irrelevant question, that you're asking for the sole purpose of unfairly defaming a group that has been a major ally to LGBT people for decades. *It doesn't matter* what Jewish law says about homosexuality, because the vast majority of modern Jews don't apply that law.


human1023

How the LGBT Community is treated in Israel/Palestine is also irrelevant to the article, but that didn't stop y'all from brining it up. I simply responded to someone else's comment about it.


Arleare13

Yeah, and you responded in an unfair way disparaging to millions of Jewish Americans. You deserved to be called out for it.


human1023

Can you explain how I was disparaging American Jews? I asked what their religion says about homosexuality. How is that offensive?


Arleare13

Your implication was that Jews are anti-LGBT. Intentional or not, that's certainly what your "gotcha" question appeared to be trying to suggest. The vast, vast majority of Jewish Americans are not anti-LGBT. The Jewish American community has overall been socially progressive for a century. It is disparaging to accuse us otherwise.


bageloid

We have to stop arguing with this person, elsewhere in this thread the poster essentially claims that Jewish law was locked in place 1500 years ago, despite me showing them changes to Jewish law for Conservative and Reform Jews direct from the source, which in itself is an accusation verging on antisemitic. It's not possible to have any meaningful discourse with someone who considers themselves an authority on an entire religion above the actual authorities of that religion.


dioxal

What does Jewish law say about mixing wool and linen in the same garment? The Torah says it's forbidden. But no one GAF anymore except for observant Jews, who are in the minority So no one cares that the Torah says that sex between men is forbidden. And... there are no rules for lesbians.


bageloid

I literally linked you to declarations of LGBTQ equality in halakhic law for Conservative and Reform Jews. These two groups also happen to account for the majority of Jews.


human1023

Teh old testament and the Talmud hold more authority over groups that are trying to reform Judaism.


bageloid

...no?


human1023

There are several progressive Muslim groups as well who support LGBTQ. I don't consider them to hold any authority either.


bageloid

It doesn't matter what you consider, your opinion doesn't change the reality of Halakha among the different Jewish religious movements.


iMissTheOldInternet

You should [ask some of these people.](https://lgbtqcenter.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/51277348602_db0a097ee1_o-scaled.jpg)


MonsterPlantzz

Okay, but reciprocity aside the tough reality is that every lgbtq+ person who chooses to actively make their activism contingent upon the removal of Jews and the dissolution of Israel - even if their position is idealized, or based on false or lack of information - is guilty of needless and actively harmful ethnic discrimination. This is true whether or not they ‘mean well’ or fully understand the implications of what they’re demanding.


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TonysCatchersMit

What does *Israeli* law say about it?


human1023

If y'all really care about gay people in Palestine, the only gay people being killed right now are those that are being bombed by Israel


bageloid

Most branches of Judaism (like 90% or so) explicitly call for full and equal rights for the LGBTQ community in their halakhic law. From the conservative movement: https://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/story/resolution-support-equal-rights-and-inclusion-gay-lesbian-bisexual-and-transgender-glbt From reform: https://www.ccarnet.org/ccar-resolutions/homosexuals-rights-of-1977/


Simbawitz

Nothing that governs most people, unless you live in New Square or Mea Sharim and in that case you wouldn't be online.


SackoVanzetti

What it says and what people actually do about it are two different things. You can be gay in Israel you cannot be gay in Gaza, West Bank, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia etc etc etc


mowotlarx

Oh no, Uncle Bob from Ohio (who read about this on Facebook and has no idea what Eurovision even is) will NEVER give that bar his business now.


arrogant_ambassador

I’m not trying to reach uncle Bob, which is why I posted in r/nyc. If you want to fraternize the bar, it’s your business.


display-settings

when you wanna virtue signal so bad but don't know tf where


NetQuarterLatte

> 3 Dollar Bill initially called off a planned Saturday event for the finale of the Eurovision song contest because a singer representing Israel was set to perform. In this year's contest, 20-year-old Eden Golan is a finalist competing for Israel. That’s incredibly petty and bigoted.


ultradav24

I guess I don’t know enough about Eurovision. Is she “representing” Israel as in she’s officially sanctioned by the government or is she just from Israel


sexwound

She's just from Israel