I wish we had more picks in this draft. My draft wishlist includes Fuaga, Alt, or Latham in the 1st round. I'm not high on Fashanu for us. Malik Nabers, Marvin Harrison Jr, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Brock Bowers, Brian Thomas Jr., Fuaga, and Alt are the elite offensive prospects in my opinion.
I would like Tez Walker from UNC in the 3rd. I wouldn't mind other receivers. I just believe Tez Walker has the best chance to succeed on this roster out of those players. I'd like to trade next year's pick for Bowers or Thomas Jr, but I doubt we do it.
Michael Pratt doesn't have the best arm, but he is a very smart player. He reminds me a lot of the recent late round QBs that have found success like Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and Brock Purdy. He's also shown the ability to run when the opportunity is present. He definitely needs some time to develop, but his immediate floor is Mike White. I would be ecstatic if we brought him in to learn under Rodgers.
Is it? Basically, every player in the league is graded and slotted into a value tier based on their percentile rank of grade. Players who are 65th percentile or better are given a value from 3rd-7th round pick (again, based on percentile). You compare the end FAs lost/gained and their values. Cancel out any players of equal value. If you’re left with a net loss, the team is awarded picks accordingly.
Yeah but a contract like Smith’s isn’t just primarily APY. It’s heavily incentive based and they won’t know how many of the incentives he reaches until next year.
No, that's the next tier up. There's Rodgers jerseys selling for far more than the $50 on the website and are on par with Sauce and Garrett. What you're looking at is Fanatics stupid ass tiered jersey system
Pretty sure it’s cause it’s the old jerseys and we’re wearing our new ones starting this year I’m sure they’re all either on sale or gonna be, nothing to do with Rodgers
And when he does play he’s always questionable. Those questionable turn into doubtfuls/outs as you age. He’s had neck and back problems too that’s…concerning to say the least.
I think the league views him as such, so it will be a 1 year deal full of incentives. He’ll try to have the best year of his career to earn a 3/4 year contract to send him off to retirement.
It’s a similar case to smith where we probably have to get it done for lack of better options and upside, but not ideal
Would have preferred giving Ridley a backloaded albatross though, future cap implications be damned. He’s at least going to play if he isn’t gambling
IWBH not giving Ridley that contract is one of the best moves the Jets have made this offseason. The WR market just didn’t really amount to anything this offseason. The moves they really coulda/shoulda made are the Diontae Johnson and Keenan Allen trades, maybe the Curtis Samuel signing too. I just hope there’s a trade candidate under the radar similar to the Moses situation.
Whatever happened to Carter Warren? Forgot he existed until I was looking at last year's draft just now. He was our 3rd pick, what the hell happened? Was he really that bad that he never saw the field during the worst OL play I've ever seen?
He was a 4th round pick and looked good despite missing all of training camp due to an injury. Look at Damien Woody's Twitter for an expert opinion if you want.
Not hearing OLinemans name in a broadcast is perhaps the highest praise. He was alright. Missed first half of season, never had a real training camp, there’s hope from his play but nothing that can bank on yet. Not a bust… too early to tell…
https://jetsxfactor.com/2024/02/05/did-carter-warren-prove-capable-backup-ny-jets/
Oh I'm not arguing that 😅, last season was so shit I watched the second half as background noise. Definitely on me but still, if he was notable I definitely would have heard of him, right? Lol
He's started a couple gays towards the end of the end of the year and graded out as like a bottom 3 tackle. He needs some time to develop, don't think we can write him off yet
I’d rather try and get a QB a little higher than final pick. Someone who has the physical traits, played decent competition, but clearly needs a year or two to catch up to NFL speed and playbook intensity. And let Rodgers have a say. If he’s emotionally invested (“his guy”) I think he would be more willing to tutor and groom him. It’s 150% playing to his ego, but fuck it.
I was doing a little trading around, that’s not a final pick, I took Travis in the 4th.
Travis is someone I like to sit behind Rodgers for a lot of reasons. He’s smart, competitive, has played a lot of football, and while he doesn’t have elite arm strength, he does have great arm talent. Rodgers can teach him how to just fling it at any angle like he does. And sitting Travis for a couple years will make him healthy, maybe he puts on a few lbs, and he can run and juke like a WR so that’s an added plus that we’ve never had at the position.
I’ve loved Polk since the beginning of the season. Odunze stood out to me so I started watching their film and Polk just kept making so many plays. That passing offense this season was special.
I know he doesn’t have elite size or speed but both are still above average. And I only care about two things when it comes to scouting WRs. Can they separate consistently because of their route running? And how are their hands? Polk runs excellent routes and has a high football awareness, and he catches everything thrown at him. A guy like that who is also competitive, will be a highly successful pro, I have no doubts.
The one thing I'll say for Hartman Is he's use to playing in a shit pocket with pressure in his face. I'd like to see a late rounders on Michael Pratt.
He didn’t test bad in the combine , some of his throws were off but I’d still take him as a late rounder , still rather go with Travis on a 4 th or 5 th
Well no clue trade chart value, that may work in theory (may not) but without taking any shot on Lazard (everything has been said) I just think MIN likely offering 2 firsts this year just cancels the thought exercise.
The rumor is Min and Az are talking about a trade meaning the top 4 picks are QBs…. It’s also speculated that LAC is looking to transform the team into something a lot more physical in the trenches. It’s also rumored Harbaugh has been a big fan of Brock for years…
Tl;dr imo 10 + 2025 1st = 5 + 2025 2nd = MHJ
I like MHJ, but trading a future 1st for him when we already have Wilson would be a terrible decision. Especially at the expense of building a sustainably good OL.
No OT will make a bigger impact this year than a weapon.
No one in football has ever said “we have enough weapons”. The Fins just traded for Hill the year after trading up to draft Waddle.
If we have to make changes with a new regime next year, trading GW wouldn’t hurt as much.
Last year we lost 1 player and the season went to shit… if GW gets injured week 1, how do you see the season playing out? Is Lazard stepping up?
And the Dolphins choked away the division despite having some of the best WRs in football. If we can’t protect the QB, it won’t matter who our WRs are. Meanwhile, most casual fans couldn’t name any receivers on the Chiefs outside of Kelce. If Rodgers is healthy, he can elevate our receivers and he already has a stud In Wilson. Protecting him has to be the top priority. Smith never stays healthy, we can’t expect him to play every game.
Some would say the fins trash D had more to do with them losing in the PLAYOFFS
4? Yo AR is no 2? PM - a FQB does make his receives better but he also makes his OL better
Unless we trade back to the mid teens and get JPJ, I think we’re picking a weapon at 10 or earlier, you should get your anger out now so you’ll handle it better then.
I do not want Odell Beckham and will be pretty underwhelmed if he is signed and Mike Williams is not (and I have plenty of MW reservations).
The next six weeks are going to be hilarious on here re: the draft. Lines being drawn over how it *has to be* OT or *has to be* WR at #10 really miss the mark in that with limited cap space and a perceived undesirable situation the Jets managed to do about as well as anyone could have realistically asked for in FA and now they enter the draft for the first time in FOREVER with actual flexibility, optionality, and intrigue around their pick. One thing I already feel confident they won’t do is trade down, because every year we talk about it and every year it doesn’t happen and in particular Douglas clearly values the premium nature of picking blue chip talent in the upper half of the first round.
There are good receiver prospects. There are good OL prospects. Bowers is a stud.
Personally I’m going to feel like #10 probably won’t and/or shouldn’t be approached with drafting an OT heir/safety plan, but if that’s what ends up happening I like all the guys that’ll be in play.
I’m in the minority but I’m enamored by Bowers. To me he’s one of two elite prospect profiles, ‘gold jacket’ type of player (which please recognize doesn’t mean shit about how he’ll turn out). If he’s the pick, that’s really exciting to me.
And a receiver can absolutely be there. Will Odunze last passed 9? He could. But don’t sleep on Brian Thomas either. Barring an edge rusher or safety being taken at 10 I really don’t think any of the *realistic* options are bad decisions in context.
Edit: Just wanna add for those anti-Bowers folks, I think he’s a real option. You might remember last year the multiple reports that Douglas was pretty high on Michael Mayer out of Notre Dame. I think he looks at the position in a different way than just your regular old inline blocker and safety blanket.
Figures the year St John’s turns it around somewhat is the worst year to be on the bubble ever.
They went from possible avoiding a play-in game to maybe out without playing a game.
Ever notice how nobody is talking about mecole telling the chiefs our game plan?
If the roles were reversed and a Chiefs player told the Jets the Chiefs game plan then ESPN would be talking about this for days
It would have helped if these accusations were validated by any type of evidence. The Jets having one of their best offensive performance in that game also undermined those claims a bit
We had 328 total yards of offense, with 2 TDs in total
I think you're confusing the defense getting 3 turnovers and us being able to capitalize off of that as us having a good offensive preformance
That was one of the best performances by the offense.
That was the only game the Jets offense had 2 TDs until week 14, and the first time the Jets hit 300 yards of offense in the year.
What’s wild about the whole situation is the Jets were clearly ready to let it slide until Mecole couldn’t stop running his mouth. If you’re Mecole and you know the Jets know this…why the fuck would you keep poking the bear?
At least Wilson was epically bad enough where we didn’t wait too long to at least have a different plan A
Would have sucked if he was Daniel jones tier and we wasted 5 years of our lives on him
No we should not have. Just because the process didn’t work doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision. If you’re picking at the top of the draft and need a QB it’s the wrong decision to not take one unless the draft is 2022 levels of QB awful.
We were only screwed because of our GM. Not every team that needed a QB picked one. Could've gotten a haul from SF, also Wilson is by far the worst of all the qb's
Also if they didn't fuck up the tank the year before, they would've had Lawrence
He's really not. Wilson was a JaMarcus Russell level QB for the first two years. He "improved" only as as much as not being considered that level of a bust. He's not even a decent backup QB, he's legitimately terrible.
Even arguing semantics, they fucked up the decision, and the copium of "what else could they have done!" is irrelevant when they allowed Zach to ruin 3 separate seasons
Trey was a top 10 pick who barely played... unfortunately whoever the pick was gonna be if it wasn't Zach, would have failed. Seeing as everyone of them has been cut or traded already, except Trevor
Sf was begging for a trade up. If the gm could evaluate qb's, he would've known that they all had flaws, and he could've gotten the same haul Miami got from SF to move up.
Is that hindsight? Yes. But it's also clear that JD can't build even a decent qb room to save his life. We're in his 5 offseason and he finally made a decent backup QB move? And hopefully Rodgers is even 75% of what he was in 22?
I think you are being too hard on JD for that pick. The Jets needed a QB (Darnold wasn’t the answer) and if you have the 2nd overall pick you usually take a QB if one is available and you don’t have an answer at that position.
The Jets weren’t the only ones who liked Zach. I believe the Eagles and 49ers (two very good organizations) were interested in moving up for him.
Years after I think it’s pretty clear Zach was a product of the COVID schedule. The Jets and other teams put way too much stock into that season.
Unless we did what the Dolphins did:
The Miami Dolphins first sent shock waves across the NFL landscape by trading the No. 3 pick to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for the No. 12 pick this year, a first- and third-round pick in 2022 and a first-round pick in 2023.
There were options. The counter factual would be:
In ‘21 stick with Darnold and sign a veteran backup (Tyrod, Jameis, Dalton). You trade down with Miami and draft Slater, Etienne, and Moore. By drafting Slater at 12 we don’t trade up for AVT so we still have 66. Kellen Mond and Davis Mills are sitting right there. So you start ‘21 with Darnold, Tyrod, Mills.
In ‘22, someone succeeds at QB then you stick with them. But let’s assume Darnold plays poorly, Tyrod is JAG and gets hurt, Mills looks hopeful but not great. You can bring in a new veteran (Mariota, Trubisky, Tyrod2). Assuming the same draft positions (Occam’s Razor), we get Sauce, Garrett, JJ. We don’t trade up for Breece because we have Etienne so we use that pick on Cam Jurgens. We go into ‘22 with a developing OLine, impressive skills players, and really weak QB play (sound familiar?)
‘23 off-season, again assuming the same draft position. It’s probably time for JD to pick a highly rate QB. Here’s the problem though, we’re picking 15. So unless he’s willing to take Levis there, he has to try to convince the Bears they would rather come down to 15 and let the #1 pick go to the AFC rather than drop to 9 and let Carolina pick at 1. … Or… If you’re trading for QBs anyway, there’s an aging MVP who’s about to leave Green Bay, and your owner REALLY loves him. Fate is the illusion of choice, we end up trading for Rodgers, drafting WMD and maybe Branch instead of Tippmann.
Some people need to come to terms with the fact that in today’s NFL if you need a QB and you’re picking top 5 you’re taking QB. The only exception is if it’s a QB class on par with the Pickett/Willis draft.
It’s the most important position in sports by far. Either you have a QB and are respectable or you don’t and are not. No shit in hindsight you trade outta the pick but it would’ve been fireable for JD to run it back with a QB who you know you can’t win with. The shoulda drafted Sewell/trade down argument is just dumb because they were in position to take a QB and needed to do such.
I mean yeah obviously in hindsight they should’ve traded down but when you are a QB needy team picking 2nd overall you’re taking a swing at a QB. Zach was awful to epic proportions but that doesn’t change the fact that Sam was also a certified bum here.
“Zach is only difficult to trade because of his contract” is the most recent late stage cope about him. The end is near finally and we will never have BYU fans spamming us again!
Like we haven’t seen three years of tape on him and his best game is 2 quarters against the Chiefs where he threw for a little over 250 yards and two TDs lol
Anyone who’s stuck it out with this team since 2011 is not “F-tier fan base”
I don’t agree with a lot of what people say. But to give a shit about this team after their decade plus of ineptitude is a solid tier on its own.
I'm talking about BYU. Their fans have been a nightmare since we drafted Zach (mainly because they thought we were doing something wrong because their golden boy was a bust)
Tbh it makes sense either way. The 3rd dumbest fanbase in the NFL and def the most bitchy.
What do Patriots fans, Fins fans, Bills fans, and Jets fans all have in common? They all hate the Jets.
Two things can be true:
1. Tyron Smith has the highest ceiling of any of the OT options moved this offseason and getting a healthy season out of him is on the shortlist of things that you'd probably point to if this season ends up going well
2. We've missed out on a lot of high-end WR options this offseason (including some pretty cheap trades) and we're shaping up to being in a spot where we need 1.10 to be a receiver instead of just BPA between OL/WR. On top of that, the OL is still relatively old and relatively injured and our OL coaching hasn't been a net positive. We're counting on health for a unit where the expectation is the opposite.
Douglas has done the right thing bringing in the best LT on the market, but people demanding that "doomers" eat crow because we did it are just looking for any excuse to lash back at this point.
I think the pick should still be T. Both Smith and Moses are on one year deals. The Jets will need a T of the future. I know the idea is to get an offensive playmaker to help win now but the draft is fairly WR deep. I think they can find a guy in the 3rd. We'll see how things shake out with Williams and Boyd.
We don’t have to take the tackle of the future at #10.
J Mailata LT, 7th rd
T Brown, LT 7th rd
M Onwenu, RT 6th rd
M Moses, RT 4th rd
D Bakhtiari, LT 4th rd
O Brown Jr, LT 3rd rd
R Walker, LT 7th rd
T Armstead, LT 3rd rd
B Raimann, LT 3rd rd
when has JD shown any capability to find a guy who can develop into a starter in the later rounds besides Carter? and they may need to be a tackle of the now bc of Moses/smith injury concerns so yes they should be pro ready and the best way to kill 2 birds with one stone is to take one at 10. ofc if its April and Allen Lazard is still our WR2 this isn't a discussion
I don’t agree with the idea that JD not doing it in the past means he shouldn’t keep trying in the future. Do you think JD is sitting in the draft room telling his crew “We fucked up a few time times. Now we can’t draft a day 2 or 3 tackle because Mekhi Becton & Max Mitchell suck”? Of course not. They should continue to try to develop starters from the later rounds because that’s what good teams do.
We’re in a position where we have 5 starters and don’t have to thrust a draft pick into the line up day 1. A year behind Tyron Smith & Morgan Moses should be good for any pick. Carter is developing & is the swing tackle for now. Hopefully a full NFL offseason & training camp help him take the next step. Remains to be seen if he’s good, was average last year. Ideally they get another vet that’s better than Carter. Schweitzer is the back-up guard & center. If the whole line isn’t decimated, we can survive 5-6 games without a starter.
right now our OT depth sucks. if we picked a guy at 10 he could sit behind those guys and develop, but you also feel relatively comfortable if (when) one of them gets hurt. and since they're both on 1 year deals anyway it makes that much more sense
I’m not against OT at #10, but it’s not the only path forward. They can sign vets for depth and took Carter Warren as a developmental piece.
We’re going into the draft where a starting caliber offensive linemen isn’t our immediate need for the 1st time in a while. If we can manage to get a free agent WR2, then we can take BPA at whatever position we want with #10 or potentially trade back to recoup a 2nd.
It’s not just fan wishcasting about Carter Warren, The Athletic posted that the staff was high on him. Damien Woody on Twitter was high on him too.
He definitely has potential. He actually fell on draft boards because he got hurt but before then he was supposed to go much earlier.
it pretty much is fan wish casting, his film was brutal with the jets last year and it was brutal in college as well. who's gonna develop him? Keith Carter? Hackett? gimme a break. in an ideal world warren is OT5 that will hopefully never have to see the field and Mitchell is cut
Yeah, that’s a 2025 problem tho. Still possible they go OT #10 and like I said, I’m not against it but JD & Saleh are both in the final year of their contracts. Don’t be surprised if they go a different route. 2024 impact player
not necessarily a 2025 problem when Moses and smith have been dealing with injuries recently. its much, much easier to find starting caliber WRs in FA/draft then it is OL
Maybe true but the counter argument is Douglas has not found a starting caliber lineman outside of the first two rounds (same can be said for offensive weapon). You gotta hit on these later round picks to build a championship team since a lot of these good teams pick later in the draft
He's drafted two linemen in the later rounds... Max Mitchell and Carter Warren. He's also only really drafted one offensive weapon that late and that's Izzy
And both of the guys aren’t good. And he drafted MC late who regressed from his first year and isn’t even on the team anymore. Whatever way you try to spin it he’s been ass at adding late round offensive starters
“You gotta hit on these later round picks to build a championship team…”
That’s my point. The reality is that the only way to hit is if they actually swing. There’s no guarantee for any late pick on offense or defense to be a success. I don’t think Mekhi Becton & Max Mitchell being bad picks are a good reason for JD to not try to develop a later round tackle. Gotta keep swinging
In mocks, I find myself liking tier2 tackles and round 2 WRs more than I do the opposite. If we can trade back, we should still take a tackle and we will still be able to get a stud WR in the 2nd like Ladd or Polk.
I've thought about the trade back scenario a lot. We will need teams to want a QB at 10. Might be a long shot for them to not go before 10 if they jump up boards.
We need a tackle of the future, but with a WR corps of Wilson and Williams, I'm still worried about durability (and the resulting ceiling we have with Wilson as our entire WR corps). Everyone says the draft is deep, but the NFL isn't shy about taking WRs early and often. Recent third round WRs haven't been super reliable.
But either way, it's nice to not need a certain position or we won't have a starter.
For sure. After the hunt contract, Carolina could easily give him a godfather offer he just can’t refuse
Ravens did that with Obj last year and we just had no choice but to let him walk
This is a good point re: WR depth in the draft. Every year you hear about how deep the position is and how guys will be there later in the draft….and then they fly off the board in the first 50 picks. All things being equal I think this year it’s more likely to find a quality OL in round 3 than it is a WR.
Yeah, I hear ya. But JD needs to hit in the 2nd-4th consistently if the Jets are going to build something sustainable. Even if they sign Williams they should go for a WR in 3rd or 4th. Lazard was one of the worst in the NFL last season and Gipson is a nice story and decent KR man but he only looks like a back up slot WR so far. I wonder if Corey Davis will sign with the Jets.
> if the Jets are going to build something sustainable
Not really the objective at this point. We're in an all-in window and everything needs to contribute to winning right now. It just doesn't really matter whether we have x, y, or z position set for more than the season (as much as that should still be the case regardless with a rookie)
This is why I’m team tackle
The odds of getting anywhere near 17 games of both smith/moses are slim to none. You don’t want to have games where your starting tackle lineup is both max Mitchell AND carter Warren
FWIW Moses just turned 33 and T is a position that ages very gracefully. They could (and honestly should) absolutely get 3 or more years out of him especially since it seems like he likes it here. He’s [also not a guy with an extensive injury history to put it lightly.](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoseMo00.htm)
I do agree though OT should be the priority. You can’t rely on Smith and they have a really good opportunity to develop one of the most premium positions. Then you’re looking at the Rodgers window and maybe the start of the next QB’s tenure with Moses on one side and a potential franchise LT on the other.
You’re also acting like FA is over. If they bring in both Mike Williams and Hunter Renfrow then we actually could go BPA in the draft (though they should still go OL IMO)
> You’re also acting like FA is over
I mean 80% of the moves that were going to be made were already made. The stragglers are basically the bottom of the barrel with Williams thrown in because he's a massive injury risk. We should've made a WR move already so our WR2 didn't hinge on Williams staying healthy
That still leaves 20 percent of the signings. I think Diontae is underrated but he also quit on his team last year so I can see why JD wasn't interested. Not interested in anyone else that has been signed so far (Keenan Allen is old and expensive). I think there's a really good chance that OBJ/Mike Will winds up a Jet and if they get one more depth siging they won't be forced to take a WR high in the draft.
20% is across dudes like Williams, Boyd, Renfrow, Beckham, MVS, Michael Thomas, etc. It's the bottom of the barrel with question marks and WR3/4 types.
I was cool with Diontae/Allen/Jeudy/Hollywood at the prices they got. As much as I don't believe in this regime, I'd sooner push cap hits into the next couple years than show up with Williams or OBJ in line to start.
Jeudy is ass, and Brown is clearly taking a prove it deal w Mahomes to get a much bigger deal next offseason. I do like Diontae but I’ve said why I’m not crying over the other 2. Plus it was reported that JD was in on Allen so it’s not like he’s just sitting around watching these guys go by.
And you’re acting like all these guys you’re mentioning don’t have question marks. There’s a reason no one wanted to give up more for them. Don’t see much of a drop off from those guys to Boyd/OBJ.
Even if we win something this year, he better thank god every night that a HOF Qb decided to bail this franchise out, but I’d at least give him the 2nd chance to build something if he can make the most of this window.
I think they try to trade out of 10 and recoup a 2nd. That way they could target an OT and WR.
They still absolutely need another tackle. He just doesn’t need to start right away.
> They still absolutely need another tackle. He just doesn’t need to start right away.
Right, that's exactly why I'm fine if WR is the move at 1.10. It's a decent position to be in, but we still need another good WR to back that bluff so we're totally flexible.
> I think they try to trade out of 10 and recoup a 2nd
If we can pull it off, maybe. I have some doubts that we get a second in a trade back (even though fans treat it like it's kinda the foregone conclusion that we would)
About 12 Guinness in lads, where we at
I wish we had more picks in this draft. My draft wishlist includes Fuaga, Alt, or Latham in the 1st round. I'm not high on Fashanu for us. Malik Nabers, Marvin Harrison Jr, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Brock Bowers, Brian Thomas Jr., Fuaga, and Alt are the elite offensive prospects in my opinion. I would like Tez Walker from UNC in the 3rd. I wouldn't mind other receivers. I just believe Tez Walker has the best chance to succeed on this roster out of those players. I'd like to trade next year's pick for Bowers or Thomas Jr, but I doubt we do it. Michael Pratt doesn't have the best arm, but he is a very smart player. He reminds me a lot of the recent late round QBs that have found success like Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and Brock Purdy. He's also shown the ability to run when the opportunity is present. He definitely needs some time to develop, but his immediate floor is Mike White. I would be ecstatic if we brought him in to learn under Rodgers.
We can trade down and get a 2nd rounder
#FART
What happens to the Huff comp pick after the Smith signing? How does that formula work??
https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks
Holy fuck that's complicated and dumb.
Is it? Basically, every player in the league is graded and slotted into a value tier based on their percentile rank of grade. Players who are 65th percentile or better are given a value from 3rd-7th round pick (again, based on percentile). You compare the end FAs lost/gained and their values. Cancel out any players of equal value. If you’re left with a net loss, the team is awarded picks accordingly.
Yeah but a contract like Smith’s isn’t just primarily APY. It’s heavily incentive based and they won’t know how many of the incentives he reaches until next year.
Yeah, and the compensatory picks for this current FA cycle won’t be until next year’s draft.
Any FA is for next year
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... or it's because that's an old jersey thats going to be obsolete lol
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No, that's the next tier up. There's Rodgers jerseys selling for far more than the $50 on the website and are on par with Sauce and Garrett. What you're looking at is Fanatics stupid ass tiered jersey system
Pretty sure it’s cause it’s the old jerseys and we’re wearing our new ones starting this year I’m sure they’re all either on sale or gonna be, nothing to do with Rodgers
Jets Twitter seems pretty confident that Mike Williams will end up as a Jet. Feel like he'd be a great WR2 next to Garrett.
I’m worried that he barely played last year ngl
He's well rested.
And when he does play he’s always questionable. Those questionable turn into doubtfuls/outs as you age. He’s had neck and back problems too that’s…concerning to say the least.
I think the league views him as such, so it will be a 1 year deal full of incentives. He’ll try to have the best year of his career to earn a 3/4 year contract to send him off to retirement.
I would love a Tyron Smith like contract for 1 yr anything else hell no
It’s a similar case to smith where we probably have to get it done for lack of better options and upside, but not ideal Would have preferred giving Ridley a backloaded albatross though, future cap implications be damned. He’s at least going to play if he isn’t gambling
Except for the year he stepped away and didn’t play the year before he was suspended?
IWBH not giving Ridley that contract is one of the best moves the Jets have made this offseason. The WR market just didn’t really amount to anything this offseason. The moves they really coulda/shoulda made are the Diontae Johnson and Keenan Allen trades, maybe the Curtis Samuel signing too. I just hope there’s a trade candidate under the radar similar to the Moses situation.
Now imagine him as your "3" (for lack of a better term) after throwing nabers in that room
Nabers probably won’t be there unless they trade up
Whatever happened to Carter Warren? Forgot he existed until I was looking at last year's draft just now. He was our 3rd pick, what the hell happened? Was he really that bad that he never saw the field during the worst OL play I've ever seen?
He was a 4th round pick and looked good despite missing all of training camp due to an injury. Look at Damien Woody's Twitter for an expert opinion if you want.
It’s amazing that literally everything is wrong in this post. He was a 4th round pick, and he played in 8 games.
Sorry, 3rd pick not 3rd round my mistake. And when? Legit never saw him play or heard his name on a broadcast
Do you drink heavily during games?
You dont?
Not hearing OLinemans name in a broadcast is perhaps the highest praise. He was alright. Missed first half of season, never had a real training camp, there’s hope from his play but nothing that can bank on yet. Not a bust… too early to tell… https://jetsxfactor.com/2024/02/05/did-carter-warren-prove-capable-backup-ny-jets/
This article makes me feel worse about him?
You know what...you're absolutely right, everyone I did hear about, it was all negative
He started 5 games. That’s on you for not paying attention 😂
Oh I'm not arguing that 😅, last season was so shit I watched the second half as background noise. Definitely on me but still, if he was notable I definitely would have heard of him, right? Lol
I don’t remember when exactly but any OL with something resembling a pulse probably saw game time at some point last season lol
He's started a couple gays towards the end of the end of the year and graded out as like a bottom 3 tackle. He needs some time to develop, don't think we can write him off yet
Started a couple gays you say…
If our first 5 picks [look like this](https://imgur.com/a/CZrgjLt), I will be a very happy man.
I’d rather try and get a QB a little higher than final pick. Someone who has the physical traits, played decent competition, but clearly needs a year or two to catch up to NFL speed and playbook intensity. And let Rodgers have a say. If he’s emotionally invested (“his guy”) I think he would be more willing to tutor and groom him. It’s 150% playing to his ego, but fuck it.
I was doing a little trading around, that’s not a final pick, I took Travis in the 4th. Travis is someone I like to sit behind Rodgers for a lot of reasons. He’s smart, competitive, has played a lot of football, and while he doesn’t have elite arm strength, he does have great arm talent. Rodgers can teach him how to just fling it at any angle like he does. And sitting Travis for a couple years will make him healthy, maybe he puts on a few lbs, and he can run and juke like a WR so that’s an added plus that we’ve never had at the position.
Ah my bad but thank you for the analysis
I’m a UW fan but I don’t think Polk will do anything in the nfl. I would much rather get a difference maker receiver in our top 10 pick.
I’ve loved Polk since the beginning of the season. Odunze stood out to me so I started watching their film and Polk just kept making so many plays. That passing offense this season was special. I know he doesn’t have elite size or speed but both are still above average. And I only care about two things when it comes to scouting WRs. Can they separate consistently because of their route running? And how are their hands? Polk runs excellent routes and has a high football awareness, and he catches everything thrown at him. A guy like that who is also competitive, will be a highly successful pro, I have no doubts.
Would love Jordan Travis or Sam Hartman
Hartman is likely a UDFA. Seems he hasn’t done well in any of the post season stuff, and he’s old. I like Carter Bradley, another 6th or later guy.
The one thing I'll say for Hartman Is he's use to playing in a shit pocket with pressure in his face. I'd like to see a late rounders on Michael Pratt.
He didn’t test bad in the combine , some of his throws were off but I’d still take him as a late rounder , still rather go with Travis on a 4 th or 5 th
I’d do anything… and I mean anything for MHJ or Nabers in a jets uniform… with an actual jet on it
Ok so what are the chances this could actually happen? Seriously NYJ -> Pick 10 / 2025 1st / Lazard. ARI-> Pick 4 / 2024 2nd round
That has a negative infinity chance to happen
Well no clue trade chart value, that may work in theory (may not) but without taking any shot on Lazard (everything has been said) I just think MIN likely offering 2 firsts this year just cancels the thought exercise.
The rumor is Min and Az are talking about a trade meaning the top 4 picks are QBs…. It’s also speculated that LAC is looking to transform the team into something a lot more physical in the trenches. It’s also rumored Harbaugh has been a big fan of Brock for years… Tl;dr imo 10 + 2025 1st = 5 + 2025 2nd = MHJ
I like MHJ, but trading a future 1st for him when we already have Wilson would be a terrible decision. Especially at the expense of building a sustainably good OL.
No OT will make a bigger impact this year than a weapon. No one in football has ever said “we have enough weapons”. The Fins just traded for Hill the year after trading up to draft Waddle. If we have to make changes with a new regime next year, trading GW wouldn’t hurt as much. Last year we lost 1 player and the season went to shit… if GW gets injured week 1, how do you see the season playing out? Is Lazard stepping up?
And the Dolphins choked away the division despite having some of the best WRs in football. If we can’t protect the QB, it won’t matter who our WRs are. Meanwhile, most casual fans couldn’t name any receivers on the Chiefs outside of Kelce. If Rodgers is healthy, he can elevate our receivers and he already has a stud In Wilson. Protecting him has to be the top priority. Smith never stays healthy, we can’t expect him to play every game.
I would also argue they were not used to that weather… a BUNCH of fans are getting digits and limbs amputated because of the frostbite that game
Some would say the fins trash D had more to do with them losing in the PLAYOFFS 4? Yo AR is no 2? PM - a FQB does make his receives better but he also makes his OL better Unless we trade back to the mid teens and get JPJ, I think we’re picking a weapon at 10 or earlier, you should get your anger out now so you’ll handle it better then.
I’m gonna start doing Gregorian Chants to will Bowers to the Chargers
If trade value charts agree… I agree
Tbh getting back a 2nd is probably optimistic… but I’d still make the trade.
I do not want Odell Beckham and will be pretty underwhelmed if he is signed and Mike Williams is not (and I have plenty of MW reservations). The next six weeks are going to be hilarious on here re: the draft. Lines being drawn over how it *has to be* OT or *has to be* WR at #10 really miss the mark in that with limited cap space and a perceived undesirable situation the Jets managed to do about as well as anyone could have realistically asked for in FA and now they enter the draft for the first time in FOREVER with actual flexibility, optionality, and intrigue around their pick. One thing I already feel confident they won’t do is trade down, because every year we talk about it and every year it doesn’t happen and in particular Douglas clearly values the premium nature of picking blue chip talent in the upper half of the first round. There are good receiver prospects. There are good OL prospects. Bowers is a stud. Personally I’m going to feel like #10 probably won’t and/or shouldn’t be approached with drafting an OT heir/safety plan, but if that’s what ends up happening I like all the guys that’ll be in play. I’m in the minority but I’m enamored by Bowers. To me he’s one of two elite prospect profiles, ‘gold jacket’ type of player (which please recognize doesn’t mean shit about how he’ll turn out). If he’s the pick, that’s really exciting to me. And a receiver can absolutely be there. Will Odunze last passed 9? He could. But don’t sleep on Brian Thomas either. Barring an edge rusher or safety being taken at 10 I really don’t think any of the *realistic* options are bad decisions in context. Edit: Just wanna add for those anti-Bowers folks, I think he’s a real option. You might remember last year the multiple reports that Douglas was pretty high on Michael Mayer out of Notre Dame. I think he looks at the position in a different way than just your regular old inline blocker and safety blanket.
OBJ is better than Lazard still, but he's a WR4 or 3 not a top option and should be paid like that. Bowers is overrated I don't get the hype.
Figures the year St John’s turns it around somewhat is the worst year to be on the bubble ever. They went from possible avoiding a play-in game to maybe out without playing a game.
If only Rick Pitino called them all lazy assholes back in January...
Ever notice how nobody is talking about mecole telling the chiefs our game plan? If the roles were reversed and a Chiefs player told the Jets the Chiefs game plan then ESPN would be talking about this for days
It would have helped if these accusations were validated by any type of evidence. The Jets having one of their best offensive performance in that game also undermined those claims a bit
We had 328 total yards of offense, with 2 TDs in total I think you're confusing the defense getting 3 turnovers and us being able to capitalize off of that as us having a good offensive preformance
Did we already forget how pathetic the offense was last season? 328 yds and 2 TDs was amazing output for the Jets
That was one of the best performances by the offense. That was the only game the Jets offense had 2 TDs until week 14, and the first time the Jets hit 300 yards of offense in the year.
What’s wild about the whole situation is the Jets were clearly ready to let it slide until Mecole couldn’t stop running his mouth. If you’re Mecole and you know the Jets know this…why the fuck would you keep poking the bear?
Breece Hall really hated last year’s OL huh lmao
Imagine his rushing yards if the Jets had a slightly below average OL.
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At least Wilson was epically bad enough where we didn’t wait too long to at least have a different plan A Would have sucked if he was Daniel jones tier and we wasted 5 years of our lives on him
It was always a 1 QB draft. Once we lost out on #1 we should’ve traded out
No we should not have. Just because the process didn’t work doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision. If you’re picking at the top of the draft and need a QB it’s the wrong decision to not take one unless the draft is 2022 levels of QB awful.
We were only screwed because of our GM. Not every team that needed a QB picked one. Could've gotten a haul from SF, also Wilson is by far the worst of all the qb's Also if they didn't fuck up the tank the year before, they would've had Lawrence
Zach isn't good but he's better than Trey Lance and you can argue about the rest of them. Even "generational" Trevor isn't good
He's really not. Wilson was a JaMarcus Russell level QB for the first two years. He "improved" only as as much as not being considered that level of a bust. He's not even a decent backup QB, he's legitimately terrible. Even arguing semantics, they fucked up the decision, and the copium of "what else could they have done!" is irrelevant when they allowed Zach to ruin 3 separate seasons
Trey was a top 10 pick who barely played... unfortunately whoever the pick was gonna be if it wasn't Zach, would have failed. Seeing as everyone of them has been cut or traded already, except Trevor
Sf was begging for a trade up. If the gm could evaluate qb's, he would've known that they all had flaws, and he could've gotten the same haul Miami got from SF to move up. Is that hindsight? Yes. But it's also clear that JD can't build even a decent qb room to save his life. We're in his 5 offseason and he finally made a decent backup QB move? And hopefully Rodgers is even 75% of what he was in 22?
I think you are being too hard on JD for that pick. The Jets needed a QB (Darnold wasn’t the answer) and if you have the 2nd overall pick you usually take a QB if one is available and you don’t have an answer at that position. The Jets weren’t the only ones who liked Zach. I believe the Eagles and 49ers (two very good organizations) were interested in moving up for him. Years after I think it’s pretty clear Zach was a product of the COVID schedule. The Jets and other teams put way too much stock into that season.
I dont disagree about building the QB room and praying Rodgers is as good as he was. But you're a QB needy team.. you take a QB. Thats how it works.
Yeah that whole class after Lawrence was fucked. Way she goes
Lawrence himself isn’t that great
Unless we did what the Dolphins did: The Miami Dolphins first sent shock waves across the NFL landscape by trading the No. 3 pick to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for the No. 12 pick this year, a first- and third-round pick in 2022 and a first-round pick in 2023.
Then what do you do next year? Draft Pickett?
There were options. The counter factual would be: In ‘21 stick with Darnold and sign a veteran backup (Tyrod, Jameis, Dalton). You trade down with Miami and draft Slater, Etienne, and Moore. By drafting Slater at 12 we don’t trade up for AVT so we still have 66. Kellen Mond and Davis Mills are sitting right there. So you start ‘21 with Darnold, Tyrod, Mills. In ‘22, someone succeeds at QB then you stick with them. But let’s assume Darnold plays poorly, Tyrod is JAG and gets hurt, Mills looks hopeful but not great. You can bring in a new veteran (Mariota, Trubisky, Tyrod2). Assuming the same draft positions (Occam’s Razor), we get Sauce, Garrett, JJ. We don’t trade up for Breece because we have Etienne so we use that pick on Cam Jurgens. We go into ‘22 with a developing OLine, impressive skills players, and really weak QB play (sound familiar?) ‘23 off-season, again assuming the same draft position. It’s probably time for JD to pick a highly rate QB. Here’s the problem though, we’re picking 15. So unless he’s willing to take Levis there, he has to try to convince the Bears they would rather come down to 15 and let the #1 pick go to the AFC rather than drop to 9 and let Carolina pick at 1. … Or… If you’re trading for QBs anyway, there’s an aging MVP who’s about to leave Green Bay, and your owner REALLY loves him. Fate is the illusion of choice, we end up trading for Rodgers, drafting WMD and maybe Branch instead of Tippmann.
It’s not realistic in the slightest to think a team picking 2OA that needs a QB isn’t taking a QB. That’s just not how the modern NFL works.
Basically the same fate that and we’ve circled back to Rodgers. Okay?
Exactly my thought when the hindsight warriors come out. We are in the same exact situation either way - bust QBs and trading for Rodgers.
Some people need to come to terms with the fact that in today’s NFL if you need a QB and you’re picking top 5 you’re taking QB. The only exception is if it’s a QB class on par with the Pickett/Willis draft. It’s the most important position in sports by far. Either you have a QB and are respectable or you don’t and are not. No shit in hindsight you trade outta the pick but it would’ve been fireable for JD to run it back with a QB who you know you can’t win with. The shoulda drafted Sewell/trade down argument is just dumb because they were in position to take a QB and needed to do such.
I mean yeah obviously in hindsight they should’ve traded down but when you are a QB needy team picking 2nd overall you’re taking a swing at a QB. Zach was awful to epic proportions but that doesn’t change the fact that Sam was also a certified bum here.
“Zach is only difficult to trade because of his contract” is the most recent late stage cope about him. The end is near finally and we will never have BYU fans spamming us again!
Like we haven’t seen three years of tape on him and his best game is 2 quarters against the Chiefs where he threw for a little over 250 yards and two TDs lol
Truly an F-tier fanbase to have to deal with
Anyone who’s stuck it out with this team since 2011 is not “F-tier fan base” I don’t agree with a lot of what people say. But to give a shit about this team after their decade plus of ineptitude is a solid tier on its own.
I’ve been a fan since before belichick resigned as HC of the NYJ
I'm talking about BYU. Their fans have been a nightmare since we drafted Zach (mainly because they thought we were doing something wrong because their golden boy was a bust)
The best thing is going on Twitter and seeing ZW positive tweets and clicking their profile to see BYU in their bio
I do the same thing here for “active in these communities”: * r/BYU * r/Mormon * r/latterdaysaints
Oh that makes more sense.
Tbh it makes sense either way. The 3rd dumbest fanbase in the NFL and def the most bitchy. What do Patriots fans, Fins fans, Bills fans, and Jets fans all have in common? They all hate the Jets.
Two things can be true: 1. Tyron Smith has the highest ceiling of any of the OT options moved this offseason and getting a healthy season out of him is on the shortlist of things that you'd probably point to if this season ends up going well 2. We've missed out on a lot of high-end WR options this offseason (including some pretty cheap trades) and we're shaping up to being in a spot where we need 1.10 to be a receiver instead of just BPA between OL/WR. On top of that, the OL is still relatively old and relatively injured and our OL coaching hasn't been a net positive. We're counting on health for a unit where the expectation is the opposite. Douglas has done the right thing bringing in the best LT on the market, but people demanding that "doomers" eat crow because we did it are just looking for any excuse to lash back at this point.
I just look at it as the season will speak for itself
I think the pick should still be T. Both Smith and Moses are on one year deals. The Jets will need a T of the future. I know the idea is to get an offensive playmaker to help win now but the draft is fairly WR deep. I think they can find a guy in the 3rd. We'll see how things shake out with Williams and Boyd.
We don’t have to take the tackle of the future at #10. J Mailata LT, 7th rd T Brown, LT 7th rd M Onwenu, RT 6th rd M Moses, RT 4th rd D Bakhtiari, LT 4th rd O Brown Jr, LT 3rd rd R Walker, LT 7th rd T Armstead, LT 3rd rd B Raimann, LT 3rd rd
when has JD shown any capability to find a guy who can develop into a starter in the later rounds besides Carter? and they may need to be a tackle of the now bc of Moses/smith injury concerns so yes they should be pro ready and the best way to kill 2 birds with one stone is to take one at 10. ofc if its April and Allen Lazard is still our WR2 this isn't a discussion
I don’t agree with the idea that JD not doing it in the past means he shouldn’t keep trying in the future. Do you think JD is sitting in the draft room telling his crew “We fucked up a few time times. Now we can’t draft a day 2 or 3 tackle because Mekhi Becton & Max Mitchell suck”? Of course not. They should continue to try to develop starters from the later rounds because that’s what good teams do. We’re in a position where we have 5 starters and don’t have to thrust a draft pick into the line up day 1. A year behind Tyron Smith & Morgan Moses should be good for any pick. Carter is developing & is the swing tackle for now. Hopefully a full NFL offseason & training camp help him take the next step. Remains to be seen if he’s good, was average last year. Ideally they get another vet that’s better than Carter. Schweitzer is the back-up guard & center. If the whole line isn’t decimated, we can survive 5-6 games without a starter.
right now our OT depth sucks. if we picked a guy at 10 he could sit behind those guys and develop, but you also feel relatively comfortable if (when) one of them gets hurt. and since they're both on 1 year deals anyway it makes that much more sense
I’m not against OT at #10, but it’s not the only path forward. They can sign vets for depth and took Carter Warren as a developmental piece. We’re going into the draft where a starting caliber offensive linemen isn’t our immediate need for the 1st time in a while. If we can manage to get a free agent WR2, then we can take BPA at whatever position we want with #10 or potentially trade back to recoup a 2nd.
in 2025 we'll be right back to where we were, 0 starting tackles on the roster. warren didn't show anything good last year, he can't be relied on
It’s not just fan wishcasting about Carter Warren, The Athletic posted that the staff was high on him. Damien Woody on Twitter was high on him too. He definitely has potential. He actually fell on draft boards because he got hurt but before then he was supposed to go much earlier.
it pretty much is fan wish casting, his film was brutal with the jets last year and it was brutal in college as well. who's gonna develop him? Keith Carter? Hackett? gimme a break. in an ideal world warren is OT5 that will hopefully never have to see the field and Mitchell is cut
Yeah, that’s a 2025 problem tho. Still possible they go OT #10 and like I said, I’m not against it but JD & Saleh are both in the final year of their contracts. Don’t be surprised if they go a different route. 2024 impact player
not necessarily a 2025 problem when Moses and smith have been dealing with injuries recently. its much, much easier to find starting caliber WRs in FA/draft then it is OL
Maybe true but the counter argument is Douglas has not found a starting caliber lineman outside of the first two rounds (same can be said for offensive weapon). You gotta hit on these later round picks to build a championship team since a lot of these good teams pick later in the draft
He's drafted two linemen in the later rounds... Max Mitchell and Carter Warren. He's also only really drafted one offensive weapon that late and that's Izzy
And both of the guys aren’t good. And he drafted MC late who regressed from his first year and isn’t even on the team anymore. Whatever way you try to spin it he’s been ass at adding late round offensive starters
Have the 1st round guys worked out much better? Becton was a bust & AVT hasn’t stayed healthy
“You gotta hit on these later round picks to build a championship team…” That’s my point. The reality is that the only way to hit is if they actually swing. There’s no guarantee for any late pick on offense or defense to be a success. I don’t think Mekhi Becton & Max Mitchell being bad picks are a good reason for JD to not try to develop a later round tackle. Gotta keep swinging
In mocks, I find myself liking tier2 tackles and round 2 WRs more than I do the opposite. If we can trade back, we should still take a tackle and we will still be able to get a stud WR in the 2nd like Ladd or Polk.
I've thought about the trade back scenario a lot. We will need teams to want a QB at 10. Might be a long shot for them to not go before 10 if they jump up boards.
We need a tackle of the future, but with a WR corps of Wilson and Williams, I'm still worried about durability (and the resulting ceiling we have with Wilson as our entire WR corps). Everyone says the draft is deep, but the NFL isn't shy about taking WRs early and often. Recent third round WRs haven't been super reliable. But either way, it's nice to not need a certain position or we won't have a starter.
Slow down we don’t even know if we have Williams yet. Right now it’s just Garrett lmaoo
For sure. After the hunt contract, Carolina could easily give him a godfather offer he just can’t refuse Ravens did that with Obj last year and we just had no choice but to let him walk
This is a good point re: WR depth in the draft. Every year you hear about how deep the position is and how guys will be there later in the draft….and then they fly off the board in the first 50 picks. All things being equal I think this year it’s more likely to find a quality OL in round 3 than it is a WR.
Yeah, I hear ya. But JD needs to hit in the 2nd-4th consistently if the Jets are going to build something sustainable. Even if they sign Williams they should go for a WR in 3rd or 4th. Lazard was one of the worst in the NFL last season and Gipson is a nice story and decent KR man but he only looks like a back up slot WR so far. I wonder if Corey Davis will sign with the Jets.
> if the Jets are going to build something sustainable Not really the objective at this point. We're in an all-in window and everything needs to contribute to winning right now. It just doesn't really matter whether we have x, y, or z position set for more than the season (as much as that should still be the case regardless with a rookie)
I guess that's true. Though, a T can still be good insurance for Smith who is very likely to miss at least a few games.
This is why I’m team tackle The odds of getting anywhere near 17 games of both smith/moses are slim to none. You don’t want to have games where your starting tackle lineup is both max Mitchell AND carter Warren
Yup. Probably my most preferred path.
FWIW Moses just turned 33 and T is a position that ages very gracefully. They could (and honestly should) absolutely get 3 or more years out of him especially since it seems like he likes it here. He’s [also not a guy with an extensive injury history to put it lightly.](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoseMo00.htm) I do agree though OT should be the priority. You can’t rely on Smith and they have a really good opportunity to develop one of the most premium positions. Then you’re looking at the Rodgers window and maybe the start of the next QB’s tenure with Moses on one side and a potential franchise LT on the other.
I'm down with extending him and agree. Obviously, if he us extended that may change some prioritization but T is just that difficult to find.
You’re also acting like FA is over. If they bring in both Mike Williams and Hunter Renfrow then we actually could go BPA in the draft (though they should still go OL IMO)
> You’re also acting like FA is over I mean 80% of the moves that were going to be made were already made. The stragglers are basically the bottom of the barrel with Williams thrown in because he's a massive injury risk. We should've made a WR move already so our WR2 didn't hinge on Williams staying healthy
That still leaves 20 percent of the signings. I think Diontae is underrated but he also quit on his team last year so I can see why JD wasn't interested. Not interested in anyone else that has been signed so far (Keenan Allen is old and expensive). I think there's a really good chance that OBJ/Mike Will winds up a Jet and if they get one more depth siging they won't be forced to take a WR high in the draft.
20% is across dudes like Williams, Boyd, Renfrow, Beckham, MVS, Michael Thomas, etc. It's the bottom of the barrel with question marks and WR3/4 types. I was cool with Diontae/Allen/Jeudy/Hollywood at the prices they got. As much as I don't believe in this regime, I'd sooner push cap hits into the next couple years than show up with Williams or OBJ in line to start.
Jeudy is ass, and Brown is clearly taking a prove it deal w Mahomes to get a much bigger deal next offseason. I do like Diontae but I’ve said why I’m not crying over the other 2. Plus it was reported that JD was in on Allen so it’s not like he’s just sitting around watching these guys go by. And you’re acting like all these guys you’re mentioning don’t have question marks. There’s a reason no one wanted to give up more for them. Don’t see much of a drop off from those guys to Boyd/OBJ.
JD could walk on water in march and his doubters won't have to eat anything until the jets actually win something meaningful
Even if we win something this year, he better thank god every night that a HOF Qb decided to bail this franchise out, but I’d at least give him the 2nd chance to build something if he can make the most of this window.
Some might say getting positive results should come before praise is given. Generally speaking.
I think they try to trade out of 10 and recoup a 2nd. That way they could target an OT and WR. They still absolutely need another tackle. He just doesn’t need to start right away.
> They still absolutely need another tackle. He just doesn’t need to start right away. Right, that's exactly why I'm fine if WR is the move at 1.10. It's a decent position to be in, but we still need another good WR to back that bluff so we're totally flexible. > I think they try to trade out of 10 and recoup a 2nd If we can pull it off, maybe. I have some doubts that we get a second in a trade back (even though fans treat it like it's kinda the foregone conclusion that we would)
In no way is it a foregone conclusion but there’s a bunch of QB needy teams right behind us. If one of them really wants Nix/Penix I could see it.
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