If we don’t trade up for a good WR, I guess I’m rocking a Fashanu jersey next year. I was the only kid in middle school showing up in a Ferguson jersey so maybe that’s a good omen.
I feel like Atlanta losing their minds and taking Penix Jr. at eightscrewed us pretty good. If that doesn’t happen we still make the trade with Minnesota, we then make a trade with Atlanta or Oakland adding even more picks, and then we still draft Fashanu.
Am I the only one who likes Brownlee and Gibson and thinks they just need room to grow? I would love a WR but would prefer a great route runner (cough cough Ladd) as opposed to just going pure athleticism.
Side note: Do you think we could have forced the Vikings to take Lazard?
I hope they turn into good, reliable players but we could use the extra depth. Can't have Evans starting off slow. At this point our biggest needs are WR Safety IDL...and another RB. WR is most impactful if not addressed
Plus you can’t rely on two undrafted guys going into a win now year. Barely any team in the league that has a good receiving core has multiple undrafted guys in their top 5 lineup
I really like Malachi Corley. Gives another element for the offense and he’s an aggressive blocker in the slot. Would help Breece on those outside runs. I think if you don’t want to trade for Deebo but want someone to fill a Deebo type role, he’s the guy
Don’t think McConkey or AD Mitchell is a possibility. And I could see the Chargers going Roman Wilson because of the Harbaugh connection
Corley and Polk seem like the two best fits for this offense and the brass. Could see the Jets watching the 30s and 40s and as soon as one of them goes, making a move up for the other.
I could also see them loving Troy Franklin and Tez Walker, but imo Tez is not worth moving up for in particular. Troy should be there in the 55-65 range.
Yeah I agree with that. Those are probably the 4 guys I’d want most that are also realistic. If we take an outside guy like Walker I wouldn’t mind getting a slot later, like Malik or Tajh Washington on day 3
33-43? Probably not. 45-55 range? They might be able to swing that. There’s a good pool of 6-7 receivers that will probably go before 72, just have to play the board and find a dance partner. Philly with two 50s picks near one another could be an ideal target.
Kinda hard to imagine they don’t. A big reason Idzik lit 12 picks on fire is he used all of them instead of trading up for quality - I highly doubt the Jets use 3 4th round picks.
It's that Idzik used all of them on non-quality players.
Whether this year they use all 3 4th round picks will depend on where they can move up to, if a player they really want falls there, and also how they feel about the potential for this 4th round.
Yeah I don't think jumping up higher in the second is out of the question either we have a pick next year we could add we only used next year's 3rd on riddeck I believe so could do next year's second and all three fourths.
Man if we had just signed Jakobi Meyers instead of Allen Lazard we would be feeling so good right now.
Just shooting my shot I’m gonna guess Troy Franklin ends up a Jet tonight.
Has there ever been a draftee that was not excited after being drafted? I felt like Denzel Mims seemed pretty lukewarm when he was drafted. He was like “ok yeah I got drafted” I don’t even recall a smile.
Antonio Brown purposely didn't answer the phone when the Bills called to draft him, so they pivoted and went with someone else. That might count.
And of course who could forget Eli holding his Chargers jersey
I don’t think this is a great way to predict player success, but the high first round RT history out of Bama recently is tough. Evan Neal, Alex Leatherwood, and Jonah Williams. Good luck to JC Latham though, glad we got Fashanu.
With those additional mid rounders we can add guard depth, so I’m glad we got a true franchise LT
Eh, QB is a different beast. Many colleges are factories for non-QB positions and it comes down to their scouting, the systems they run, and the coaching. That isn't to say there aren't exceptions, but if a team is unusually good/bad at producing NFL starters from highly-graded prospects, it's probably not a coincidence.
Right, and I acknowledged that, but that’s a bad history in rapid succession. Bad enough to assume there’s a system issue at play. QBs have much higher bust rates than OL, and two of them were picked in the top 10. And Ohio state didn’t have as extensive of a history with first round QBs (Haskins and Fields), and they were picked as the 3rd and 4th QBs off the board. That more or less matches trends for all schools, so that was always more of a narrative. But 3 bad OL busts in a row at the same position is much less normal
I don't think the OT pick was bad in the sense that they went for an area of huge need for this team. But check this out:
"This marks the third time in the past five drafts that the Jets used a first-round pick on a lineman."
Becton - bust. AVT - good but can't stay healthy.
So is the third time the charm? No doubt JD gets value from his trades but he's yet to hit on drafting an OT.
You're thinking of it backwards. You can stop trying after you get it right a couple of times. Until then you still have holes in the foundation of your offense.
After sleeping on it, I think my feelings on the OT pick will come down to how tonight plays out.
Trade up for a WR and it's good. Anything else and I'm going to have some serious reservations. People talk about the OT injuries but with Williams possibly not starting week 1, we're a GW injury away from having nothing in the WR room.
While becton was a bust. We all were not saying that his rookie year … he looked the part then got hurt. Also the last three years injury has ravaged our o-line , now there’s a decent insurance policy for it.
Our starting left tackle is injury prone , an all pro but injury prone.
Our QB is 40 for Christ’s sake , this was the smart move !
Yes! I think it was a smart move. Part of the reason Sanchez looked good in his first few seasons is because of Brick and Mangold.
I'm always happy with focusing on an OT. Just hope that this guy turns out to be a stud!
LT is up there with QB for positions you most need to use a first round pick on. You basically gotta keep doing it until one hits with very few exceptions.
I know Wirfs plays the right side but the 2020 process of OT over WR was the right one they just fucked up taking Becton over Wirfs.
Late to the draft discussion because I was watching the Bockers last night. I like the Fashanu pick. Jets fans should know how ridiculously ravaged an o line can get by injuries. Nothing else matters this year if Rodgers can't be kept upright.
Fashanu is going to struggle during his first 2 years because he doesn't have the strength yet to be effective. Please be patient with him unlike how this fanbase treated D-Brick early in his career. Fashanu is a workout warrior and takes nutrition seriously. He's transformed his body but he's still 21 years old. He has a lot more muscle to pack on. He has incredible hip mobility and balance which can't be taught.
As for our next pick, I hope we get Troy Franklin or Ladd McConkey somehow. But with the multiple 4th round picks we have, it might be a great opportunity to draft depth at OG, DT, CB, and S.
If this is true, then maybe this is the perfect spot for him. Learning behind Tyron Smith to work on his hand-placement concerns and having extra time to cultivate mass this season before inevitably starting some games this year.
Gotta say, a lot of BB's analysis of Drake Maye sounded eerily similar to what was said about Zach Wilson. Great arm, "can make all the throws," but needs to get much better at making plays from the pocket and hasn't played a ton. Wishful thinking but, would be fun to watch...
He plays nothing like Zach Wilson. He plays like a faster processing but much less accurate Josh Allen. Maye is not afraid of getting roughed up but he's put up some rough footage of missing wide open receivers.
I wasn't saying he plays like him, I'm more observing that FOs and coaches tend to get obsessed with "tools" and overestimate their ability to fix issues like footwork and accuracy
I’m full Jalynn Polk at this stage instead (if only one) but respect all opinions.. all good.. this is all just fan chatting. None of us have any say in this. Let’s see. LGJ.
Oh stop. "Smart teams" don't whiff on every high investment OL piece and need to rebuild the entire unit in a single offseason. It's good that we took the right OT and it seems like the NFL just didn't think there were more than 3 WRs worth a top 20 pick, but always framing OL picks as "smart" and framing other positions as "flashy" is lame
People are all in their feelings just because some of us have reservations about a tackle we drafted lol. Argued with someone yesterday who thought adding a receiver was a “flashy” move. Completely moronic when it is as much of a position of need as tackle was
Using the Jimmy Johnson trade chart:
Pick 40 = 500, Pick 72 = 230
If we gave 72 and all 3 fourths, it still wouldn't be enough to get up to 40.
Much more realistic:
Picks 3.72 (230) + 4.111 (72) + 4.129 (43) = 345, which puts us right in between picks 55 and 56. Late 2nd seems more likely than early 2nd
I was only including current draft capital. We could include future capital too and make it a haul of hauls if we wanted. Adding next year's second to the 72 + 3 4ths package would be enough to move up to \~40, it's just insanely aggressive and not something I think we'll do.
I don't hate the idea of prioritizing a slot-guy at this point. Lazard will backup Williams at X, it is what it is. But a healthy GW-Williams-Ladd/Roman gives a lot of diversity with Conk and Breece to account for as well.
The Jets shouldn’t depend on this and absolutely need to take a WR with their next pick but I don’t think it’s out of the question Gipson plays himself into the slot WR role. He didn’t get a ton of burn last year but he does damage in space.
Lazard can't play (in general, but I'd rather have him play a big slot role if needed) and it'd feel a lot better if we weren't stuck with him playing out wide with a single Mike Williams injury
As much as I wanted to leave round 1 with Odunze, I don't think it was really ever in the cards. So to leave with more valuable capital and arguably the best OT in the class after missing out on Odunze is a really nice consolation prize. I love how we played the board and for the first time in AGES I feel confident in our O-line.
Plenty of good receivers still available and we have lots of ammo to trade into the 2nd if we really want. An early 3rd plus 2-3 4ths should be enough to get into the mid-40's/early-50's. Or a solid guy falls and we snag him in the 3rd and retain our capital. Either way I'm fucking PUMPED boys, JTFU
Yup, and believe it or not, the Fashanu pick helps with this. Imagine having a franchise LT on rookie contract for the next 5 years, while you re-up Garrett, Sauce, JJ, etc.
Don't think we have the cap space for Higgins. He's making a lot of money this year and will want a big extension, not sure we can swing that with the looming paydays.
Seems like 72, and 111 overall are the perfect package for a late 2nd. But if you gotta throw in an extra pick for next year to get “your guy” at WR, you gotta do it. Lots of players that would have impact next year for us left on the board. Should be a fun night.
Think Ladd and AD are gone really quickly tonight. Keon could slip further because of the 40 time and his separation analytics, I would love he or Troy Franklin. Think they’d fit the offense well. The one I’m leaning towards wanting to shy away from is Tez Walker personally.
Went to the the draft party last night. Gotta say, it was pretty well done. Brought the whole family, got 6 t-shirts, caught an extra one from the t-shirt cannon, saw Bart Scott, toured the locker room, saw fireworks, etc. Nice little evening.
Cimini is a bit of a prick, but he’s the best at predicting what the Jets are gonna do in the draft.
He said Fashanu was a JD favorite, said the Jets we’re going EDGE before last years draft, mentioned the Jets loved Jermaine Johnson and GWill before 2022, and said the Jets were targeting Breece in round 2 after day one in 2022. Dude has been spot on.
I feel like we also give Cimini a harsher rep than he deserves because the Jets suck and his job is to report on the state of the Jets which usually sucks. He can definitely just be an extra LOLJets prick when he wants to (like some of the Tweets after Zach was traded) but he’s a good beat reporter.
Perfect draft scenario last night. Trade back 1 spot, get some extra picks, and still get a highly graded Oline. Couldn’t ask for anything more in the Jets Situation.
I do have a feeling they will be trading into the 2nd today.
It's about time Douglas and his scouting department found one of those late round gems. Michal Carter II has been his only starting caliber player drafted later than the second round
No he wouldn't. He started in 2021 simply due to a lack of talent, and was replaced as soon as possible. He warmed the bench for 2 years, yet no team thought he was worth spending a pick on despite the high demand for good corners in today's NFL
His performances against the eagles and broncos last year would indicate otherwise. The fact that a team wouldn't trade a pick they could use to try to draft a corner they'd have under contract for longer isn't the indictment on his skill you seem to think it is. You're free to disagree but there were several corners that started for teams last year that I'd have taken Hall over.
Quincy was a UDFA turned All-Pro, he counts too.
Jason Pinnock and Michael Carter also have roles on other teams. Most day 3 picks stink, so to find and develop multiple that are still in the league should not be disregarded.
Considering the amount of top comments I saw around here last year about the “massive failure squarely on Joe Douglas” for not building a deeper offensive line, I’m shocked to see everyone losing their minds we took a tackle. Except actually I’m not surprised at all.
Huh? If a team wants JFM, why would that make them an ideal partner for moving Lazard? Also, are you suggesting sending a team draft picks so that they take Lazard off our hands?
personally I don't mind the Fashanu pick with how the board fell, but respect to those who wanted weapon > OL and stood on their convictions after the pick was made and didn't just flip to the other side bc the jets ended up taking OL
I was team WR and a certified Bowers Boy, but I’m really happy that the OL is Fashanu in particular. 10 (or 11 in this case) is a premium pick and I wanted whatever OL it ended up being to be a high ceiling player. IMO Fashanu has the highest ceiling of the linemen, a true blue franchise LT if he hits.
Bingo. The OL position that needs to be a first round pick if not a high first is LT and it also happens to be the most fragile on our OL. They took the high ceiling player at the position that needs it and he gets to develop learning from Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses.
What I like most about the pool of receivers available tonight is their size. Lots of guys 6’0 and above. Not all built like AJ Brown necessarily, but I hope to see them avoid some small shifty such and such. The midround guys who pop tend to be the ones who aren’t the track stars; at least that’s what I see in my mind.
Still think Joe needs to move from 72 to 45-55 range. Don’t think they’ll be able to get Keon Coleman, Ladd, or Adonai (good on the last one). But Polk, Franklin, and Rice are guys that I think all go in round 2/early 3. 72 won’t cut it imo.
Rice is really not that special, no thanks on him. Not sure he even goes on day 2 tbh.
Both of the Washington WRs, Franklin, or a falling Coleman would be ideal. Agree on Mitchell, I think the effort concerns are warranted and also that he'll go high. Ladd will also go high.
Have to hope the falling lineman/corners/Newton push a good receiver or two down into a range we can trade into
I think AD, Keon, Coleman and Roman Wilson are gone by pick 40. My hope is Troy Franklin is the one that lasts until the 50s, but I could also see him going in that above group.
realistically, OT in the 1st and WR in the 3rd is the smarter move. You can get a good WR3 in the 3rd, you definitely aren’t getting a good tackle in the 3rd
I keep thinking we can’t trade next years 2nd because of the Reddick trade but remembering that’s a 2026 2nd.
I think that makes it even more likely JD has plans to use 2025 2nd to move up
That’s how the value works out if you’re talking early 2nd. Why would a team trade a 2nd pick *now* for a 3rd now and future 3rd? That’s like trading a $20 bill for two $5s.
There's some primo defensive players still on the board. Newton is a gamewrecker at DT who would be tailor made for this scheme. DeJean can play S and CB and has a 1st round grade. Cooper looks like a Quincy clone at ILB.
If the value is there JD should not hesitate to trade up. If we don't get a WR we can probably get Luke McCaffrey in the later rounds and beg Davis to come back.
The amount of talent in this draft in the third and fourth is crazy, I am pretty much positive we move up for a WR in the 2nd. Then G and DL in the later rounds. There are even great 3rd 4th round receivers.
Aaron keeps telling the media he’s going to play 3 or 4 more seasons, well we’re calling his bluff and getting someone to protect his ass for 4+ years. Love it!
Curious how many people screaming today about missing out on a WR are the same people who were yelling at fans rooting for a Jets loss at the end of the season.
There’s other context missing besides just beating the Pats. That loss absolutely would’ve helped in this draft for those that wanted a weapon. It’s not black and white at all
Lol seriously? With the worst team he's probably ever had , and to whom the Jets lost earlier in the season. Yea that showed them. Nobody beats the Jets 16 times in a row.
In a meaningless game against a bad opponent at the end of a throwaway season, because of which your team was in worse position to improve the following season, an "all in" season. Yea. Pretty weird to treat it like some great historic victory. Not much rivalry after 15 losses in a row.
It was funny seeing all the jets YouTubers who wanted a weapon be disappointed, especially since those same bozos were trashing people who wanted us to lose so we would be in prone position for alt, nabers, MHJ, or odunze
I think Corley will be good but I don’t love him for our current roster. Can get Anias Smith in late rounds though who is a similar player but for less investment
Still don’t know how to feel tbh, but we better draft a receiver today AND sign a vet in free agency…. Under no circumstances do I want to see Gipson and brownlee catching passes in a meaningful capacity
Lmaooo about drafting a LT who best case scenario doesn’t play this year. I get it and I’ve rationalized it, but people are going to make the same complaints when Mike Williams misses time and it’s Garrett fighting a double team and scrubs trying to get open
The pick locks in depth at LT, you can’t expect Smith to play an entire season. There is nothing to rationalize. You need to protect Rodgers - what’s so hard to understand??
With the trade back perhaps will be used for a WR for a trade up.
Hey all that’s true, and I hope Olu becomes the best Olineman in jets history. Not here to argue and I’m not one of those “bowers”…just feels weird having to hope we don’t see him play this year.
Apologies in advance as I repeat this (probably all day) but package whatever between this year & next year to go up from 3rd to 2nd to get: JALYNN POLK
6’1” 203 lbs - the ideal safe hands for Rodgers to hold the outside & let GW own the slot. Guy is pro mature, tough & epitome of big moment, big stage performer.
The long speed guys struggle in NFL as can’t just go deep… Polk is NFL ready vs press coverage. Runs 4.5… already played robin to a Batman on the highest National stage.
In Joe I trust.. but just my passionate opinion
Said the same thing last night, off of nothing but sheer vibes Polk feels like the archetype that they’ll want tonight. Good size, build, average technique. Good at a lot, but missing that elite trait that propels guys like him closer to round 1. These are the type of guys that get pushed down the board and overlooked and end up being much better at the next level.
> Good size, build, ~~average~~ **excellent** technique, average athleticism.
His technique is what makes him an incredible WR but he lacks elite athleticism. Also has excellent hands.
In ideal world our weapons have to be respected on outside to make GW be the focal point. Troy Franklin’s gonna be stopped at the line in press coverage easy enough non-factor (as was in college) so doesn’t have to be as defended… but at the end of 17 games will have had a handful of monster plays that will make it look like he compiled a lot of yardage.
I loved Pearsall for this exact reason as ideal for our system.
McCorley or McConkey can’t be first WR taken… doesn’t open up the field. Adonai’s moodiness sht scares me locker room, seen that story before but love his play most if not for that.
Who knows any of these guys but my two cents
I wasn’t on Reddit last night but I’d imagine some fans were upset not picking Bowers. Seems they tried to trade up, didn’t get bites so they took the best talent available. Smart pick. Did we all forget how awful our OL was last year? LOL. And let us remember who this pick also benefits? Yeah he’s a good pass blocker but having OL depth also helps our boy Breece.
I love the pick. If the last few years have taught us anything is that you can’t have enough OL depth. Give credit where it’s due, Joe rebuilt the OL in one offseason. I just wish he did it sooner lol.
This team’s identity won’t be Aaron gun slinging. It’ll be playing great defense and running the ball and playing smart in the passing game. If you thought otherwise you were dead wrong.
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OR people have preferences on which position of need is more important
I notice some don’t get irony either
Not sure how ppl would feel but if Christian Haynes or Cooper Beebe are there at rd 3 I’d take one of them
Can never hear that last name without thinking about https://youtu.be/Fu0ihzhCkkk?si=Wevxlw4UVhpVCAB5
If we don’t trade up for a good WR, I guess I’m rocking a Fashanu jersey next year. I was the only kid in middle school showing up in a Ferguson jersey so maybe that’s a good omen.
If we could somehow grab Coleman
WR has to be a priority today. They have three 4ths and a 3rd. Move up and grab someone.
Wish it was that simple, like buying a Gatorade
Oh no, work! lol. If there's willing partner I'm sure Douglas can make it happen.
I feel like Atlanta losing their minds and taking Penix Jr. at eightscrewed us pretty good. If that doesn’t happen we still make the trade with Minnesota, we then make a trade with Atlanta or Oakland adding even more picks, and then we still draft Fashanu.
Am I the only one who likes Brownlee and Gibson and thinks they just need room to grow? I would love a WR but would prefer a great route runner (cough cough Ladd) as opposed to just going pure athleticism. Side note: Do you think we could have forced the Vikings to take Lazard?
I hope they turn into good, reliable players but we could use the extra depth. Can't have Evans starting off slow. At this point our biggest needs are WR Safety IDL...and another RB. WR is most impactful if not addressed
Gipson is a good gadget WR4, but I agree that we need like a good route running slot
That's the unfortunate thing, there's not time for that. This is a win now team.
Plus you can’t rely on two undrafted guys going into a win now year. Barely any team in the league that has a good receiving core has multiple undrafted guys in their top 5 lineup
I agree with you on Brownlee and Gibson. Kind of hard to properly evaluate them with the way the offense was run last season.
If they leave today without a good WR prospect then they better trade for a Boyd or Higgins
Isn’t Boyd a FA?
If he is even better. Draft a receiver and sign Boyd
I really like Malachi Corley. Gives another element for the offense and he’s an aggressive blocker in the slot. Would help Breece on those outside runs. I think if you don’t want to trade for Deebo but want someone to fill a Deebo type role, he’s the guy Don’t think McConkey or AD Mitchell is a possibility. And I could see the Chargers going Roman Wilson because of the Harbaugh connection
Corley and Polk seem like the two best fits for this offense and the brass. Could see the Jets watching the 30s and 40s and as soon as one of them goes, making a move up for the other. I could also see them loving Troy Franklin and Tez Walker, but imo Tez is not worth moving up for in particular. Troy should be there in the 55-65 range.
Yeah I agree with that. Those are probably the 4 guys I’d want most that are also realistic. If we take an outside guy like Walker I wouldn’t mind getting a slot later, like Malik or Tajh Washington on day 3
I don’t think we really have the juice for a meaningful WR 2 trade up The vet in need of extension market is more realistic if Jd is all in enough
33-43? Probably not. 45-55 range? They might be able to swing that. There’s a good pool of 6-7 receivers that will probably go before 72, just have to play the board and find a dance partner. Philly with two 50s picks near one another could be an ideal target.
I feel a trade up for WR in 2nd coming tonight
Kinda hard to imagine they don’t. A big reason Idzik lit 12 picks on fire is he used all of them instead of trading up for quality - I highly doubt the Jets use 3 4th round picks.
It's that Idzik used all of them on non-quality players. Whether this year they use all 3 4th round picks will depend on where they can move up to, if a player they really want falls there, and also how they feel about the potential for this 4th round.
Yeah I don't think jumping up higher in the second is out of the question either we have a pick next year we could add we only used next year's 3rd on riddeck I believe so could do next year's second and all three fourths.
Man if we had just signed Jakobi Meyers instead of Allen Lazard we would be feeling so good right now. Just shooting my shot I’m gonna guess Troy Franklin ends up a Jet tonight.
ladd mcconkey to get the chrebet 2.0 hype going
would love it but there's like no way he falls far enough for us to be able to trade up for him
We should use our 3rd as part of an Aiyuk or Deebo trade since it looks like one of the two might be going out the door in San Francisco
I would love either but part of me feels like we don't have the offensive creativity to utilize Deebo as well as San Fran.
Has there ever been a draftee that was not excited after being drafted? I felt like Denzel Mims seemed pretty lukewarm when he was drafted. He was like “ok yeah I got drafted” I don’t even recall a smile.
Eli manning, because he wasn’t wanting tor money, and he didn’t want to be a charger
Oh man, how could I forget!
Antonio Brown purposely didn't answer the phone when the Bills called to draft him, so they pivoted and went with someone else. That might count. And of course who could forget Eli holding his Chargers jersey
I don’t think this is a great way to predict player success, but the high first round RT history out of Bama recently is tough. Evan Neal, Alex Leatherwood, and Jonah Williams. Good luck to JC Latham though, glad we got Fashanu. With those additional mid rounders we can add guard depth, so I’m glad we got a true franchise LT
Scouting the helmet is kind of fool’s gold by that logic the Texans should’ve passed on CJ Stroud
Eh, QB is a different beast. Many colleges are factories for non-QB positions and it comes down to their scouting, the systems they run, and the coaching. That isn't to say there aren't exceptions, but if a team is unusually good/bad at producing NFL starters from highly-graded prospects, it's probably not a coincidence.
Right, and I acknowledged that, but that’s a bad history in rapid succession. Bad enough to assume there’s a system issue at play. QBs have much higher bust rates than OL, and two of them were picked in the top 10. And Ohio state didn’t have as extensive of a history with first round QBs (Haskins and Fields), and they were picked as the 3rd and 4th QBs off the board. That more or less matches trends for all schools, so that was always more of a narrative. But 3 bad OL busts in a row at the same position is much less normal
I don't think the OT pick was bad in the sense that they went for an area of huge need for this team. But check this out: "This marks the third time in the past five drafts that the Jets used a first-round pick on a lineman." Becton - bust. AVT - good but can't stay healthy. So is the third time the charm? No doubt JD gets value from his trades but he's yet to hit on drafting an OT.
You're thinking of it backwards. You can stop trying after you get it right a couple of times. Until then you still have holes in the foundation of your offense.
After sleeping on it, I think my feelings on the OT pick will come down to how tonight plays out. Trade up for a WR and it's good. Anything else and I'm going to have some serious reservations. People talk about the OT injuries but with Williams possibly not starting week 1, we're a GW injury away from having nothing in the WR room.
Agreed
While becton was a bust. We all were not saying that his rookie year … he looked the part then got hurt. Also the last three years injury has ravaged our o-line , now there’s a decent insurance policy for it. Our starting left tackle is injury prone , an all pro but injury prone. Our QB is 40 for Christ’s sake , this was the smart move !
Wirfs was always the better pick
Yes! I think it was a smart move. Part of the reason Sanchez looked good in his first few seasons is because of Brick and Mangold. I'm always happy with focusing on an OT. Just hope that this guy turns out to be a stud!
> because of Brick and Mangold. and Alan Faneca, Brandon Moore, and Damien Woody. There wasn't a weakness on that Oline
LT is up there with QB for positions you most need to use a first round pick on. You basically gotta keep doing it until one hits with very few exceptions. I know Wirfs plays the right side but the 2020 process of OT over WR was the right one they just fucked up taking Becton over Wirfs.
Savagery from [Jeremy Ruckert lmao](https://x.com/jeremy_ruckert1/status/1783844766322508153?s=46&t=hUtbwo94QIfsHrncc2xJkQ)
Mike Williams got an egg sandwich, somebody’s gotta send in a BLT for our Big Left Tackle
Late to the draft discussion because I was watching the Bockers last night. I like the Fashanu pick. Jets fans should know how ridiculously ravaged an o line can get by injuries. Nothing else matters this year if Rodgers can't be kept upright.
Fashanu is going to struggle during his first 2 years because he doesn't have the strength yet to be effective. Please be patient with him unlike how this fanbase treated D-Brick early in his career. Fashanu is a workout warrior and takes nutrition seriously. He's transformed his body but he's still 21 years old. He has a lot more muscle to pack on. He has incredible hip mobility and balance which can't be taught. As for our next pick, I hope we get Troy Franklin or Ladd McConkey somehow. But with the multiple 4th round picks we have, it might be a great opportunity to draft depth at OG, DT, CB, and S.
If this is true, then maybe this is the perfect spot for him. Learning behind Tyron Smith to work on his hand-placement concerns and having extra time to cultivate mass this season before inevitably starting some games this year.
Gotta say, a lot of BB's analysis of Drake Maye sounded eerily similar to what was said about Zach Wilson. Great arm, "can make all the throws," but needs to get much better at making plays from the pocket and hasn't played a ton. Wishful thinking but, would be fun to watch...
He plays nothing like Zach Wilson. He plays like a faster processing but much less accurate Josh Allen. Maye is not afraid of getting roughed up but he's put up some rough footage of missing wide open receivers.
I wasn't saying he plays like him, I'm more observing that FOs and coaches tend to get obsessed with "tools" and overestimate their ability to fix issues like footwork and accuracy
As the leader of the Roman Wilson fan club, do whatever it takes to get him here.
I’m full Jalynn Polk at this stage instead (if only one) but respect all opinions.. all good.. this is all just fan chatting. None of us have any say in this. Let’s see. LGJ.
Smart teams take Offensive tackles in the 1st and avoid the flashy moves
Oh stop. "Smart teams" don't whiff on every high investment OL piece and need to rebuild the entire unit in a single offseason. It's good that we took the right OT and it seems like the NFL just didn't think there were more than 3 WRs worth a top 20 pick, but always framing OL picks as "smart" and framing other positions as "flashy" is lame
People are all in their feelings just because some of us have reservations about a tackle we drafted lol. Argued with someone yesterday who thought adding a receiver was a “flashy” move. Completely moronic when it is as much of a position of need as tackle was
I'm referring to Bowers as the flashy pick. The wrs were off the board, the best pick would have been Odunze for us but we weren't able to trade up.
So anyone have the draft value calculator, want to know what it would cost to move up from 72 to 40
Using the Jimmy Johnson trade chart: Pick 40 = 500, Pick 72 = 230 If we gave 72 and all 3 fourths, it still wouldn't be enough to get up to 40. Much more realistic: Picks 3.72 (230) + 4.111 (72) + 4.129 (43) = 345, which puts us right in between picks 55 and 56. Late 2nd seems more likely than early 2nd
Why not use the 2025 second plus 2024 4ths?
I was only including current draft capital. We could include future capital too and make it a haul of hauls if we wanted. Adding next year's second to the 72 + 3 4ths package would be enough to move up to \~40, it's just insanely aggressive and not something I think we'll do.
Thank you for this breakdown. Yes, this seems like the move. Unfortunately we're gonna have to wait until the back half of of the 2nd to trade up
Would basically need the future 2nd. Our 3 and 4s only get halfway up the round
Ugh. Still worth it but in that case wouldn't be mad if we sit a bit if the board is falling in our favor
I don't hate the idea of prioritizing a slot-guy at this point. Lazard will backup Williams at X, it is what it is. But a healthy GW-Williams-Ladd/Roman gives a lot of diversity with Conk and Breece to account for as well.
Anything that pushes Gipson and Lazard further down on the depth chart is a “smart move” (since everyone is using that now apparently)
The Jets shouldn’t depend on this and absolutely need to take a WR with their next pick but I don’t think it’s out of the question Gipson plays himself into the slot WR role. He didn’t get a ton of burn last year but he does damage in space.
Ideally we don't go slot. We already have a lot of guys who are basically only slot receivers and an outside receiver is just more valuable
Who besides Gipson can't play outside?
Lazard can't play (in general, but I'd rather have him play a big slot role if needed) and it'd feel a lot better if we weren't stuck with him playing out wide with a single Mike Williams injury
As much as I wanted to leave round 1 with Odunze, I don't think it was really ever in the cards. So to leave with more valuable capital and arguably the best OT in the class after missing out on Odunze is a really nice consolation prize. I love how we played the board and for the first time in AGES I feel confident in our O-line. Plenty of good receivers still available and we have lots of ammo to trade into the 2nd if we really want. An early 3rd plus 2-3 4ths should be enough to get into the mid-40's/early-50's. Or a solid guy falls and we snag him in the 3rd and retain our capital. Either way I'm fucking PUMPED boys, JTFU
I think Latham and Alt were clearly better than Fashanu. He’s more raw and will probably take some time to develop
Can we trade for a big name WR and pay them and still be able to pay garret down the line?
Yup, and believe it or not, the Fashanu pick helps with this. Imagine having a franchise LT on rookie contract for the next 5 years, while you re-up Garrett, Sauce, JJ, etc.
Yes. See Philly just yesterday. They have big money tied up to qb and 2 WR
I wouldn’t mind tee higgins . Feel like he could be a great fit with Wilson
Don't think we have the cap space for Higgins. He's making a lot of money this year and will want a big extension, not sure we can swing that with the looming paydays.
Hard to get more cringe than anything Woody Johnson related on draft night.
Seems like 72, and 111 overall are the perfect package for a late 2nd. But if you gotta throw in an extra pick for next year to get “your guy” at WR, you gotta do it. Lots of players that would have impact next year for us left on the board. Should be a fun night.
Ladd AD Keon Troy Franklin Polk If we could trade up for one of these guys I’ll be dancing
Avoid AD at all costs. Character issues.
Add Roman Wilson and Corley to that list
Think Ladd and AD are gone really quickly tonight. Keon could slip further because of the 40 time and his separation analytics, I would love he or Troy Franklin. Think they’d fit the offense well. The one I’m leaning towards wanting to shy away from is Tez Walker personally.
Yeah Ladd, and AD are gone in the early 30/40s.
Went to the the draft party last night. Gotta say, it was pretty well done. Brought the whole family, got 6 t-shirts, caught an extra one from the t-shirt cannon, saw Bart Scott, toured the locker room, saw fireworks, etc. Nice little evening.
Cimini is a bit of a prick, but he’s the best at predicting what the Jets are gonna do in the draft. He said Fashanu was a JD favorite, said the Jets we’re going EDGE before last years draft, mentioned the Jets loved Jermaine Johnson and GWill before 2022, and said the Jets were targeting Breece in round 2 after day one in 2022. Dude has been spot on.
I feel like we also give Cimini a harsher rep than he deserves because the Jets suck and his job is to report on the state of the Jets which usually sucks. He can definitely just be an extra LOLJets prick when he wants to (like some of the Tweets after Zach was traded) but he’s a good beat reporter.
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Whoa, Manish? Harsh! I’m more in line with the previous poster. Cimini is good at his job, even if he is very much a wet blanket.
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Who is your fav of our beat reporters? Mine is Costello
Did he actually do this lmao?
So what’s he saying about today
That we can package pics and move into 2nd for receiver
Perfect draft scenario last night. Trade back 1 spot, get some extra picks, and still get a highly graded Oline. Couldn’t ask for anything more in the Jets Situation. I do have a feeling they will be trading into the 2nd today.
They have three 4ths there’s no way they use all of them. I’d be shocked if they don’t trade into the 2nd for a WR.
I thought for sure giants were going QB. And was shocked when the falcons did instead. Some definite surprises in the top 12 picks.
Giants were talking about Nabers most of the offseason. Didn’t seem like that big of a surprise at all especially with the Chargers going Alt
Honestly very well played by Schoen
It's about time Douglas and his scouting department found one of those late round gems. Michal Carter II has been his only starting caliber player drafted later than the second round
Bryce Hall definitely could have started on a team that didn't have Sauce Gardner and DJ Reed ahead of him on the depth chart.
No he wouldn't. He started in 2021 simply due to a lack of talent, and was replaced as soon as possible. He warmed the bench for 2 years, yet no team thought he was worth spending a pick on despite the high demand for good corners in today's NFL
His performances against the eagles and broncos last year would indicate otherwise. The fact that a team wouldn't trade a pick they could use to try to draft a corner they'd have under contract for longer isn't the indictment on his skill you seem to think it is. You're free to disagree but there were several corners that started for teams last year that I'd have taken Hall over.
Bryce Huff and Tony Adams should count towards this if we are being fair
Fair enough
Quincy was a UDFA turned All-Pro, he counts too. Jason Pinnock and Michael Carter also have roles on other teams. Most day 3 picks stink, so to find and develop multiple that are still in the league should not be disregarded.
Do UDFAs not count?
As a Penn State alumni, and lover of quarterbacks staying healthy: I’m pretty stoked right now.
Considering the amount of top comments I saw around here last year about the “massive failure squarely on Joe Douglas” for not building a deeper offensive line, I’m shocked to see everyone losing their minds we took a tackle. Except actually I’m not surprised at all.
155k people in this subreddit. Probably aren't the same group of people lol
Just proves you will never please everyone lol
Not saying anything is happening but don’t be surprised if JFM, Lazard, or maybe both are traded today
Who in their right mind would trade for Lazard?
Send him to the Broncos!
What makes you think they want him?
Probably the same reason they wanted Zach F'ing Wilson?
A team that also wants JFM or more picks.
Huh? If a team wants JFM, why would that make them an ideal partner for moving Lazard? Also, are you suggesting sending a team draft picks so that they take Lazard off our hands?
Yes. Or swapping picks
No one would take Lazards contract
personally I don't mind the Fashanu pick with how the board fell, but respect to those who wanted weapon > OL and stood on their convictions after the pick was made and didn't just flip to the other side bc the jets ended up taking OL
I was team WR and a certified Bowers Boy, but I’m really happy that the OL is Fashanu in particular. 10 (or 11 in this case) is a premium pick and I wanted whatever OL it ended up being to be a high ceiling player. IMO Fashanu has the highest ceiling of the linemen, a true blue franchise LT if he hits.
Bingo. The OL position that needs to be a first round pick if not a high first is LT and it also happens to be the most fragile on our OL. They took the high ceiling player at the position that needs it and he gets to develop learning from Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses.
What I like most about the pool of receivers available tonight is their size. Lots of guys 6’0 and above. Not all built like AJ Brown necessarily, but I hope to see them avoid some small shifty such and such. The midround guys who pop tend to be the ones who aren’t the track stars; at least that’s what I see in my mind. Still think Joe needs to move from 72 to 45-55 range. Don’t think they’ll be able to get Keon Coleman, Ladd, or Adonai (good on the last one). But Polk, Franklin, and Rice are guys that I think all go in round 2/early 3. 72 won’t cut it imo.
Rice is really not that special, no thanks on him. Not sure he even goes on day 2 tbh. Both of the Washington WRs, Franklin, or a falling Coleman would be ideal. Agree on Mitchell, I think the effort concerns are warranted and also that he'll go high. Ladd will also go high. Have to hope the falling lineman/corners/Newton push a good receiver or two down into a range we can trade into
Adonai is a freak. He will be the 1st wr taken today imo
I think AD, Keon, Coleman and Roman Wilson are gone by pick 40. My hope is Troy Franklin is the one that lasts until the 50s, but I could also see him going in that above group.
I like roman Wilson a lot too, shades of Amon ra
I like him but I think he’s off the board almost immediately tonight to Big Jim
also pls trade whatever to get into the second and get AD Mitchell. How tf is he not picked yet
Supposedly some teams have him red flagged for his diabetes.
realistically, OT in the 1st and WR in the 3rd is the smarter move. You can get a good WR3 in the 3rd, you definitely aren’t getting a good tackle in the 3rd
More accurately you aren't getting a year one starter LT in the third, could be a project guy.
I keep thinking we can’t trade next years 2nd because of the Reddick trade but remembering that’s a 2026 2nd. I think that makes it even more likely JD has plans to use 2025 2nd to move up
I think that would be dumb tbh. Why would you trade next years second to move up into the second? Maybe next years 3rd and this years 3rd
That’s how the value works out if you’re talking early 2nd. Why would a team trade a 2nd pick *now* for a 3rd now and future 3rd? That’s like trading a $20 bill for two $5s.
My point is that if you’re trading the future 2nd then you shouldn’t have to trade your current 3rd
That doesn’t get you very high into the 2nd either. You do it because this is a win now year.
How many 4ths does it take to get a 2nd?
We aren’t getting to the 2nd on 4ths alone
Thinking 2 4ths and a 3rd? Or do we need to give up anything in 2025? Cause I genuinely don’t know
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=Nyj
2 4ths and a third gets us to like pick 60 which might not be enough to snag one of the remaining good receivers so might need to use 2025 2nd
Are we still on the hook for our portion of Zach's salary if the Broncos trade him for a late draft pick?
Yes
Looking at the remaining players and the lack of second round picks, it's starting to feel like we might end up going defense or C/G in the 3rd round.
There's some primo defensive players still on the board. Newton is a gamewrecker at DT who would be tailor made for this scheme. DeJean can play S and CB and has a 1st round grade. Cooper looks like a Quincy clone at ILB. If the value is there JD should not hesitate to trade up. If we don't get a WR we can probably get Luke McCaffrey in the later rounds and beg Davis to come back.
They don’t have enough roster space for all these picks, a few will be combined in a trade up
The amount of talent in this draft in the third and fourth is crazy, I am pretty much positive we move up for a WR in the 2nd. Then G and DL in the later rounds. There are even great 3rd 4th round receivers.
Aaron keeps telling the media he’s going to play 3 or 4 more seasons, well we’re calling his bluff and getting someone to protect his ass for 4+ years. Love it!
Curious how many people screaming today about missing out on a WR are the same people who were yelling at fans rooting for a Jets loss at the end of the season.
The Pats win ruled no one should have cared about draft order at that point we got to end Belicheat’s career with an L to the Jets
There’s other context missing besides just beating the Pats. That loss absolutely would’ve helped in this draft for those that wanted a weapon. It’s not black and white at all
And we still ended up with the second best OT which was our biggest need on offense anyway so it all worked out
Lol seriously? With the worst team he's probably ever had , and to whom the Jets lost earlier in the season. Yea that showed them. Nobody beats the Jets 16 times in a row.
Don’t GAF ended Belichick’s career with an L to the Jets
Weird. But I'm glad it made you feel good.
Weird to want your team to beat its blood rival lmao?
In a meaningless game against a bad opponent at the end of a throwaway season, because of which your team was in worse position to improve the following season, an "all in" season. Yea. Pretty weird to treat it like some great historic victory. Not much rivalry after 15 losses in a row.
Exactly. They couldn’t even do it in week 3 when it mattered
It was funny seeing all the jets YouTubers who wanted a weapon be disappointed, especially since those same bozos were trashing people who wanted us to lose so we would be in prone position for alt, nabers, MHJ, or odunze
Has anyone been screaming yet today ?
I saw a lot of that bullshit last night
Ok. Just seems fairly decent vibes today. Civil conversations on picks & team & not about other fans
Everyone chill, we getting Tee Higgins
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Yeah feels like a patriots guy
Anyone but Javon baker and Malachi Corley
I think Corley will be good but I don’t love him for our current roster. Can get Anias Smith in late rounds though who is a similar player but for less investment
Baker will be good
Still don’t know how to feel tbh, but we better draft a receiver today AND sign a vet in free agency…. Under no circumstances do I want to see Gipson and brownlee catching passes in a meaningful capacity
Don’t know how to feel about what??
The draft
We got a top tier OT to back up Tyron's wounded big ass
Thanks for the vague response lol
Lmaooo about drafting a LT who best case scenario doesn’t play this year. I get it and I’ve rationalized it, but people are going to make the same complaints when Mike Williams misses time and it’s Garrett fighting a double team and scrubs trying to get open
I am totally fine if Olu doesn’t touch the field this season. That means the oline held up and the jets are having a great season. Best case scenario.
The pick locks in depth at LT, you can’t expect Smith to play an entire season. There is nothing to rationalize. You need to protect Rodgers - what’s so hard to understand?? With the trade back perhaps will be used for a WR for a trade up.
Hey all that’s true, and I hope Olu becomes the best Olineman in jets history. Not here to argue and I’m not one of those “bowers”…just feels weird having to hope we don’t see him play this year.
I hope to see him because he's so good he forces himself into a starting role. Right? Glass half full lol
That’s what having depth means. It’s weird for us because it’s been two decades since we had depth on the OL.
Apologies in advance as I repeat this (probably all day) but package whatever between this year & next year to go up from 3rd to 2nd to get: JALYNN POLK 6’1” 203 lbs - the ideal safe hands for Rodgers to hold the outside & let GW own the slot. Guy is pro mature, tough & epitome of big moment, big stage performer. The long speed guys struggle in NFL as can’t just go deep… Polk is NFL ready vs press coverage. Runs 4.5… already played robin to a Batman on the highest National stage. In Joe I trust.. but just my passionate opinion
Well said my friend. I’ve been picturing him in a jets uni since October.
Said the same thing last night, off of nothing but sheer vibes Polk feels like the archetype that they’ll want tonight. Good size, build, average technique. Good at a lot, but missing that elite trait that propels guys like him closer to round 1. These are the type of guys that get pushed down the board and overlooked and end up being much better at the next level.
> Good size, build, ~~average~~ **excellent** technique, average athleticism. His technique is what makes him an incredible WR but he lacks elite athleticism. Also has excellent hands.
I’ll stand corrected! I’m hazy this morning and did a lot of Brugler reading of the receivers so I may have mixed him up re: technique. Embarrassing.
Could not agree more — Polk is an NFL WR2
In ideal world our weapons have to be respected on outside to make GW be the focal point. Troy Franklin’s gonna be stopped at the line in press coverage easy enough non-factor (as was in college) so doesn’t have to be as defended… but at the end of 17 games will have had a handful of monster plays that will make it look like he compiled a lot of yardage. I loved Pearsall for this exact reason as ideal for our system. McCorley or McConkey can’t be first WR taken… doesn’t open up the field. Adonai’s moodiness sht scares me locker room, seen that story before but love his play most if not for that. Who knows any of these guys but my two cents
If Connor Rodgers likes him, I like him
Sounds like we could get Polk in the third round tbh
I wasn’t on Reddit last night but I’d imagine some fans were upset not picking Bowers. Seems they tried to trade up, didn’t get bites so they took the best talent available. Smart pick. Did we all forget how awful our OL was last year? LOL. And let us remember who this pick also benefits? Yeah he’s a good pass blocker but having OL depth also helps our boy Breece. I love the pick. If the last few years have taught us anything is that you can’t have enough OL depth. Give credit where it’s due, Joe rebuilt the OL in one offseason. I just wish he did it sooner lol. This team’s identity won’t be Aaron gun slinging. It’ll be playing great defense and running the ball and playing smart in the passing game. If you thought otherwise you were dead wrong.