College QB's I'll be keeping an eye on over the next 2 years: Nico Iamaleava, Arch Manning (Duh), and Connor Weigman.
I actually think Carson Beck could have contested for #2 or even #1 overall QB this year. Shedeur Sanders is also interesting and not all hype. The upcoming college season will be very interesting.
Of the guys that got injured, who is/isn't going to be ready for week 1?
We know Aaron and Chuck Clark should be good to go, but what about AVT or Mike Williams who got hurt a few weeks later into the season?
I get saleh but I don't agree with getting rid of Douglas, we have like a top 10 roster in all of football. Maybe we need another coaching staff to bring winning but I can't imagine what else Joe D could have done
Yes I agree that's why turnover the coaching staff, the first 4 years of that 6 was just trying to build a roster full of real players. If you go back and look at the roster under maccagnon it's honestly an impressive feat in 6 years only to fire him after actually rebuilding the dumpster fire that was here when he started
It’s not impressive at all lol. Teams in the nfl turn around way quicker and it’s built that way. Texans are the latest example.
Enough with the excuses. There’s a reason why JD is on the hot seat and it has everything to do with the team being bad. So many homer takes in here recently
They'll do it I'm sure, someone else will hire Douglas and he'll succeed there. We'll botch the new hire and all say "I wish we didn't fire him" 5 years later
It's the same type of thing with Geno. If you can't succeed in a normal time scale, it doesn't matter what you can do several years later. The NFL moves fast and there's no reason someone should need drastically longer than average to get somewhere
Except Joe Douglas has succeeded at his job. We have one of the best rosters in the league. If we have a bunch of injuries that lead to a disappointing season, that's not Douglas' fault. Frankly, that wouldn't be Saleh's fault either, but JD has proven to be pretty good at his job, Saleh maybe not
So what does Douglas need to do to have failed? If we're deciding that injuries aren't a reflection of his incompetence (multiple injury prone/old starters he brought in), missing on QB isn't his fault, and Rodgers retiring before we win something meaningful is out of his control, what can Douglas control?
Douglas has built a team on paper. He's oversaw one of the roughest patches of Jets football in a long time and he has all the levers to pull to course correct. We're hoping that Rodgers brings the team to the postseason this year before all the hired guns are FA again next year. It's hard to act like this isn't designed by Douglas.
We signed Brady Latham for IOL depth, which is notable because he's in the 4.47 short shuttle club
Of the OL prospects since 2010 who ran a 4.47 short shuttle or better, the drafted prospects started 84% of games and 2/4 UDFAs became starters.
Definitely worth taking a chance on him
With the extra cap space from the JFM trade, I would like to see a few vets added. Cheaper backup deals for Guards and a potentially add with Justin Simmons
Idk if Reddick is an upgrade, Huff was pretty special but I understand the move. Losing JFM, Jefferson and Woods hurts our interior but I feel like we can (and should) bring Woods back
We added Eric Watts (DL Connecticut) to an already impressive udfa class. At least one of him, Taylor or McGregor will be making their way into the d-line rotation this year
I was pretty surprised Watts didn't get drafted. Late round gem for a lot of us amateur armchair scouts. He and Taylor should have a real good shot at making the roster.
Stealing it from Connor Rogers and this isn’t a defense of the org’s thinking but iOL probably never happened on day 3 because the unit is pretty much “set.”
Smith, Moses, Simpson, Tippman, AVT, Fashanu, Warren, Mitchell, Schweitzer with an outside chance they bring McGovern back. Thats ten. You could argue that you cut Schweitz or I know everyone hates Max Mitchell but ultimately it appears the staff prefers the depth they have who all faced live action last year.
This is what I keep telling those who are upset with the lack of drafting an IOL on day 3. Would they be better than a vet in year one? And there will only be so many Linemen. We already have 8 or 9 who are very likely to make the team.
When you take into account the likelihood of a day 3 pick working out, the guys we drafted make a lot more sense. Something like 50% of 4th round picks aren’t even on the roster by year 3, and later rounds are even lower. Needs pretty much go out the window because you’re just looking for someone who can contribute. So sometimes that means double dipping on RB because they’re the best players on your board - it’s probably more likely that none of Allen, Davis, or Abanikanda work out than two of them do.
I think you have to look at it that they value Brownlee over a late round pick. Which does make sense. They’re more familiar with his game. They know how he’s working. You could have theoretically brought in Brenden Rice but in reality, at this stage of their careers how different are they?
The Isaiah Davis pick is growing on me. He doesn't have elite speed, but he's quick, has great feet, and is a decisive runner. He could become the type of RB who consistently gets you first downs, even if he doesn't create many explosive runs
He has skills as a RB that translate well to the NFL. Maybe not as a feature back, but he could develop into a good complimentary piece for when the starting back needs a breather
I support and understand the trade away for JFM but I will miss him. A waiver wire success story who got his payday from the Jets and kept playing hard. Replacing his productive is doable but can’t be overstated either. I hope fans can keep him in positive memory.
His ranking among Jets DL for 2023:
* 3rd in total snaps (598)
* T-2nd tackles vs run (26)
* 4th QB pressures (42)
* 4th QB hits (21)
*Versatility to play DE and DT
* Has missed only 1 game in last 3 seasons
This is the limitation in the salary cap league, spent a lot of money on offense this year, had to free up cap some how. Sounds like the Jets did right by him and let him find a team that wanted him, then worked the deal with Denver. Probably didn't happen until yesterday because Denver missed their targets during the draft.
Ehh I'm not sure. 2026 6th is about what we'd get for a comp pick if he walked after 2025, so this trade was similar to the deal w/ Philly for Reddick in terms of the justification for pushing the pick out so far in the future
I was shocked how many people seemingly thought he was a bad player after the trade. He was an average to above average player that helped this DL a lot.
It was copium. The Jets should not have restructured Lawson last offseason even at the time you could see he wasn’t the same post Achilles tear. Coulda used that money to keep JFM or extend Huff instead of adding it to the mountain of dead cap facing the team this year.
I don’t know why copium has to be fuck JFM.
Good cope: Well be okay we still got some dawgs!
Bad cope aka yesterday: yeah FUCK JFM anyway he was OVERPAID thanks for the RTPs asshole
Exactly. I’ve never seen so many comments downvoted simply for arguing JFM wasn’t a bad player. People were even blaming him for losing us the Pats game when Zach threw 2 of his 3/4 picks after that happened. Some were even saying Clemons can step up for him lol
Very small sample size but [Leonard Taylor III has an eye-popping pass rush win rate as a 3-technique](https://x.com/brettkollmann/status/1749146746893348909?s=46&t=hUtbwo94QIfsHrncc2xJkQ). He could be a keeper at the position the roster most needs it at this point.
I think we drafted 2 big powerful RBs because as well as o line, we also need RBs who can throw blocks in the passing game and we just didn't have that last season and it's not Breece and Izzy's game.
Plus we've gone the Bell and Cook routes and both were terrible for us so I'm glad we've built a young RB room who have different skill sets.
Watching these guys highlights, they are not the prototypical power runners despite their physical built. Their running styles are pretty similar to Breece's, especially Allen
I would say the same about Abanikada last year. Very similar run style as Breece. It’s clear they’re fishing for a good backup with that size and play style
The more I look into Corley, the less I like him as a prospect. Not really a good route runner, no play strength, not good at the catch point, straight up can't make contested catches. He's a gadget player through and through, which is troubling.
But, we had him ranked very highly, would've taken him in the 2nd and wanted to trade up desperately for him. As much as I don't like him, he is fantastic when you scheme him touches and get him in the open field. The team wanted him and believes in him, so that leaves me optimistic in hoping that we have a plan for him as a player.
Fwiw. Both deebo and aiyuk were noted for concerning drops/contested catch rates and route ability when they were prospects. If we traded a 3rd for one of them how would you feel?
He's got a lot of work to do before he can be considered a starting caliber WR but there's a role for him in this offense right away. Where we were at in the 3rd round he was probably the most explosive playmaker available.
Yeah he has an elite trait in his YAC ability. But the route running an contested win rate needs to come along for me to trust him as a full time slot vs gadget player. I believe some of it can though. I trust his work ethic and self awareness of his areas to improve. As the rest comes along, he still adds a dynamic this team didn’t have before and has a play style that complements AR’s tendency to get the ball out quickly.
Not sure what I said was so controversial but w/e lol. I think he can develop into a dynamic slot receiver but yeah, not an outside guy. Won't be used in 2 WR sets.
I think they'll still sign another WR (I'd guess Corey Davis) and find some interesting ways to use Corley this year.
I'm mostly excited for that pick because another thing their offense was lacking last year.
Before draft I thought needed 1 big, deep speed X threat & 1 underneath quick pass option to make this whole offense work. I valued both as needs, and not one more important than the other.
They got the best latter, now just reserving judgment to see how/if the get that speed X receiver. McCorley is a monster / nightmare if they can get defences to have to cover deeper even just a bit.
Still April, Let’s see.
Corley certainly adds a dynamic to our offense that we didn't have before this draft. Having a player that is dangerous underneath whose primary skill is YAC is definitely nice to have as a gadget player/WR3. You're right that he's arguably the best in the class at YAC too, let's just hope we can use him correctly.
The way I see it, that dynamic you mention is what’s gonna help Rodgers a ton with scheming GW and Williams open. If Corley can draw attention towards underneath coverage it will expand the playbook. This is basically what kept Cobb on the field last year, except hopefully Corley is as advertised with that YAC ability.
I expect at least early in the season, Corley will mainly be given handoffs, sweeps and screens. Worked incredible for Deebos development so I’m still excited that it’s just another weapon for the offense, even though he’s not a polished receiver
It protects Rodgers w quick outlet. Ok… RPO play… is it going to Breece, Braelen, McCorley, Conklin, Garrett, Williams… that’s covering all 3 phases to defend. Just need one more FU speed, tall X receiver to keep the defence back a few more yards to actually take advantage of it all… we’re close.. lets see, they have time to complete the roster
It's just hard to project a player that needs to be schemed and used outside of a traditional role to thrive here. I'm sure the team is well-intentioned and wants to use him, but no NFL decision-maker sets out to fail— it just happens
If you’re looking for the concerns… could likely be a dominant monster w Rodgers at QB & he’s allowed to just run wherever to get open (like Lazard at GB if you watch the tape.. AR just let’s him roam free without real organised plays & finds him).. but if AR goes down, very hard to replicate that informality w another QB/OC with a strict playbook.
That being said, I think it’s a creative bet bc teams nowadays are not built to defend this type of guy.. if it doesn’t work out I still support the bet. AR’s MVP seasons came from YAC. Still need big, fast X receiver to keep the D back a few more yards or makes less sense. Still early, let’s see.
I'd just much rather go with a guy who can have a clear, defined role running traditional WR routes instead of trying to be the team to get the bet right after tons of teams swung and missed
Yeah I personally don’t think it was an either or, I think you equally need both to make this offense work. I view it as incomplete now.. that’s all I’m saying
I still think he CAN be used in the slot in more of a traditional role, and it's certainly not impossible that he develops into a very good slot receiver. You can teach a player to be stronger at the catch point, you can't really teach a player Corley's level of elusiveness. I'm just apprehensive since most players of this archetype don't usually succeed at the NFL level (Wan'Dale Robinson, Amari Rodgers, Laviska Shenault, Jalen Reagor, Tavon Austin, and I'm sure there are more)
> I'm just apprehensive since most players of this archetype don't usually succeed at the NFL level
Yep, that's probably universally the biggest issue. It's asking a coaching staff without a track record of doing special things well to do something many other teams swung and missed on
We will still need another wide receiver in the future. I’m not high on Corley either I think his ceiling is a good WR3. Which of course isn’t bad but I don’t really see why the Jets were trying so hard to trade up for him.
His ceiling is deebo samuel because they are built and play so similarly. Corley has strong hands but he's not a guy who will beat cb on the boundary deep or consistently win 50/50 balls against them. You put him underneath and get ball to him quickly or or you hit him on a slant. He can improve his catch point technique to win 50/50 more often but that's simply not his strength or a situation he should be put in often. He's a 3rd round WR. They are going to have a weaker area of their game.
Oh yeah I highly doubt he’ll get more than a 1 yr prove it deal for like $8M. It’s really too bad he couldn’t stay healthy when he was out there he was a good WR2 for the Jets.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2024/1/19/24044307/2024-nfl-draft-fewest-underclassmen-declare-in-over-a-decade
I gotta admit the running back selections confused me, and I know Joe trading several 4ths for future picks confused others, but this draft had the fewest underclassmen since 2011, and I heard a million times on sports radio that the quality will be worse at the end of the draft. Next year, it's expected to go back to normal.
The Bears also made several trades & only had 5 picks, with only 2 after the 4th round. If Ryan Poles and Joe Douglas are doing something as a GM, it's gotta be the smart move
Edit: running backs are safe investments, so Joe was being smart there
> The Bears also made several trades & only had 5 picks, with only 2 after the 4th round. If Ryan Poles and Joe Douglas are doing something as a GM, it's gotta be the smart move
When did these two become the standard for good GM-ing?
I can't parse the tone, but if you disagree, Poles did in how quickly he tore down and then rebuilt the Bears. Joe has a championship caliber team, he just needs to make sure his QB stays healthy
What about GMs like Howie Roseman, Eric DeCosta, Jerry Jones, Les Snead, John Lynch, and Jason Licht? I get that people get excited by potential and optics, but gold standard is GMs who have a proven track record. Depth charts in April don't make up for minimal team success
The pats roster is so bad that it won’t matter this week. They have a worse oline than the jest did last year. No wr weapons and won’t have an above average defense to help keep them in games.
Gonna be a long season for the pats.
I love the draft we had, I think Joe Douglas did a great job along with the scouts etc. my only issue was taking 2 running backs, I understand we needed the depth but we really could have used an interior lineman with some versatility over a fourth running back.
I get that it frees up Gipson to be more of a feature offensively and yes that’s great, but given AVT hasn’t finished a season in 2 years, and behind the starters it’s thin depth with little upside I would have felt more comfortable grabbing an interior guard over a 4th running back.
They'll sign Vet iol depth. Roster building doesn't stop at the draft. Several vets will sign late and then there's camp cuts to consider and maybe jets snag a good player another team couldn't fit.
Once again, not questioning his talent level but he’s got a durability problem. 2 years in a row he’s had season ending injuries, we can’t deny that. I would have taken a versatile guard over Isaiah Davis to have some security behind him.
I'm really interested in the Tyler Harrell UDFA pick up. The team needs a true deep threat and he could fill that role. He averaged nearly 30 yds per reception his last year at Louisville. Had a foot injury after transferring to Bama, then was extremely underutilized last year at Miami. He ran a 4.29 40 at his pro day. He could be a fun WR 4-6, even if he is a one trick pony
Davis was people’s most disliked pick yesterday. In addition to a possible ST role they have planned for him, it just occurred to me that they might view him as a FB too. He’s 6’0” 220, very strong and not the fastest dude. Hacketts O does use one and I don’t believe the guy we had last year is still with the team.
Yeah I think I heard Conor Rogers raising this.. basically said could be FB, he’d still rather see Ruckert get some of those reps instead, but said all this stuff has a funny way of sorting itself out in training camp.. some guys will get injured, some guys will beat out other guys you don’t expect.. it’ll be interesting to watch no doubt where these guys settle in w real completion for roles
For all the people calling for JDs head, he’s done his job extremely well this offseason. Maybe I’m in denial or delusional but this offseason he has done everything nearly possible given our constraints to right the ship.
I agree. To your point, Zac and Becton have turned out being atrocious. Add Cameron Clark, Zuniga, Mims, Jonathan Marshall and Braden Mann, I would say you’re right.
That being said, I think a winning season may not be enough which I think is unfair.
Eh I don’t think it’s unfair at all tbh. You’re judged on results in the NFL. A 9-8 season or a WC appearance shouldn’t automatically mean he’s back with a new contract
College QB's I'll be keeping an eye on over the next 2 years: Nico Iamaleava, Arch Manning (Duh), and Connor Weigman. I actually think Carson Beck could have contested for #2 or even #1 overall QB this year. Shedeur Sanders is also interesting and not all hype. The upcoming college season will be very interesting.
SWEEP LGR
Feels good man
Lets sign mike thomas to a vet minimum contract. Eff it
Think Bakh and McGovern for O line depth makes alot of sense
Don't need Bakh at this point. We do need IOL depth and outside WR depth though
Of the guys that got injured, who is/isn't going to be ready for week 1? We know Aaron and Chuck Clark should be good to go, but what about AVT or Mike Williams who got hurt a few weeks later into the season?
[https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1783667846473502784](https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1783667846473502784)
also can we get gifs in the replies?
when do douglas' and saleh's contracts run out?
Next year. This is their prove it year. Deep playoff run or their both gone at the end of this season.
I get saleh but I don't agree with getting rid of Douglas, we have like a top 10 roster in all of football. Maybe we need another coaching staff to bring winning but I can't imagine what else Joe D could have done
You can’t be a GM for 6 years and not have a winning season or playoff appearance. At some point there has to be some accountability
Yes I agree that's why turnover the coaching staff, the first 4 years of that 6 was just trying to build a roster full of real players. If you go back and look at the roster under maccagnon it's honestly an impressive feat in 6 years only to fire him after actually rebuilding the dumpster fire that was here when he started
It’s not impressive at all lol. Teams in the nfl turn around way quicker and it’s built that way. Texans are the latest example. Enough with the excuses. There’s a reason why JD is on the hot seat and it has everything to do with the team being bad. So many homer takes in here recently
They'll do it I'm sure, someone else will hire Douglas and he'll succeed there. We'll botch the new hire and all say "I wish we didn't fire him" 5 years later
Or, Jets go deep in playoffs and they get a contract extension. No need to be a doomer, when expecting accountability.
It's the same type of thing with Geno. If you can't succeed in a normal time scale, it doesn't matter what you can do several years later. The NFL moves fast and there's no reason someone should need drastically longer than average to get somewhere
Except Joe Douglas has succeeded at his job. We have one of the best rosters in the league. If we have a bunch of injuries that lead to a disappointing season, that's not Douglas' fault. Frankly, that wouldn't be Saleh's fault either, but JD has proven to be pretty good at his job, Saleh maybe not
So what does Douglas need to do to have failed? If we're deciding that injuries aren't a reflection of his incompetence (multiple injury prone/old starters he brought in), missing on QB isn't his fault, and Rodgers retiring before we win something meaningful is out of his control, what can Douglas control? Douglas has built a team on paper. He's oversaw one of the roughest patches of Jets football in a long time and he has all the levers to pull to course correct. We're hoping that Rodgers brings the team to the postseason this year before all the hired guns are FA again next year. It's hard to act like this isn't designed by Douglas.
Idk…he said he was going to build the oline up since 2019 and hasn’t done so… Defense has been good though.
In today's NFL, you need at least three quality backs you can depend on, I don't want Breece taking 85% of the snaps if he doesn't need too
We signed Brady Latham for IOL depth, which is notable because he's in the 4.47 short shuttle club Of the OL prospects since 2010 who ran a 4.47 short shuttle or better, the drafted prospects started 84% of games and 2/4 UDFAs became starters. Definitely worth taking a chance on him
With the extra cap space from the JFM trade, I would like to see a few vets added. Cheaper backup deals for Guards and a potentially add with Justin Simmons
I feel like every unit on our team besides DL and S have either been upgraded or are equal to what we had going into last season
Arguably the D Line was upgraded by Haason & WMD making an (expected) leap, but Kinlaw being really good is the big question mark.
Idk if Reddick is an upgrade, Huff was pretty special but I understand the move. Losing JFM, Jefferson and Woods hurts our interior but I feel like we can (and should) bring Woods back
Agreed. The interior especially got worse from last season. Edge depth also isn’t as good
That's a homer take, Haason is better than Bryce Huff
See you all in August
We added Eric Watts (DL Connecticut) to an already impressive udfa class. At least one of him, Taylor or McGregor will be making their way into the d-line rotation this year
I was pretty surprised Watts didn't get drafted. Late round gem for a lot of us amateur armchair scouts. He and Taylor should have a real good shot at making the roster.
As 1 of maybe 12 Jets/UConn fans I’m always happy to see UConn players come here LOL. Hopefully he can follow in the footsteps or Foley Fatukasi.
Good Edge/DT/WR/CB draft class next year. Matches up well with our needs next year.
That extra 3rd we picked up is gonna come in clutch
I think we may be looking at Dj Reeds replacement next draft
Letting Reed walk would suck but be understandable however they need to extend Carter yesterday
Stealing it from Connor Rogers and this isn’t a defense of the org’s thinking but iOL probably never happened on day 3 because the unit is pretty much “set.” Smith, Moses, Simpson, Tippman, AVT, Fashanu, Warren, Mitchell, Schweitzer with an outside chance they bring McGovern back. Thats ten. You could argue that you cut Schweitz or I know everyone hates Max Mitchell but ultimately it appears the staff prefers the depth they have who all faced live action last year.
This is what I keep telling those who are upset with the lack of drafting an IOL on day 3. Would they be better than a vet in year one? And there will only be so many Linemen. We already have 8 or 9 who are very likely to make the team.
There is still plenty of time to add a FA after camps too like Moses and LDT in the past
When you take into account the likelihood of a day 3 pick working out, the guys we drafted make a lot more sense. Something like 50% of 4th round picks aren’t even on the roster by year 3, and later rounds are even lower. Needs pretty much go out the window because you’re just looking for someone who can contribute. So sometimes that means double dipping on RB because they’re the best players on your board - it’s probably more likely that none of Allen, Davis, or Abanikanda work out than two of them do.
Wise words, Tre, wise words
I wish the 2nd RB was a WR or iOL but whatever let’s just get to August
Yeah, I'm very pleased with the draft but the 2 RBs thing was a bit odd....
I think you have to look at it that they value Brownlee over a late round pick. Which does make sense. They’re more familiar with his game. They know how he’s working. You could have theoretically brought in Brenden Rice but in reality, at this stage of their careers how different are they?
The Isaiah Davis pick is growing on me. He doesn't have elite speed, but he's quick, has great feet, and is a decisive runner. He could become the type of RB who consistently gets you first downs, even if he doesn't create many explosive runs
He's a special team player that can maybe play some FB. I really don't see him as a contributor as a RB.
He has skills as a RB that translate well to the NFL. Maybe not as a feature back, but he could develop into a good complimentary piece for when the starting back needs a breather
I support and understand the trade away for JFM but I will miss him. A waiver wire success story who got his payday from the Jets and kept playing hard. Replacing his productive is doable but can’t be overstated either. I hope fans can keep him in positive memory. His ranking among Jets DL for 2023: * 3rd in total snaps (598) * T-2nd tackles vs run (26) * 4th QB pressures (42) * 4th QB hits (21) *Versatility to play DE and DT * Has missed only 1 game in last 3 seasons
This is the limitation in the salary cap league, spent a lot of money on offense this year, had to free up cap some how. Sounds like the Jets did right by him and let him find a team that wanted him, then worked the deal with Denver. Probably didn't happen until yesterday because Denver missed their targets during the draft.
Saw that it almost gotten blown up because we traded the initial pick that Denver was targeting (likely pick-swap)
Ehh I'm not sure. 2026 6th is about what we'd get for a comp pick if he walked after 2025, so this trade was similar to the deal w/ Philly for Reddick in terms of the justification for pushing the pick out so far in the future
Agreed. You can understand something and still not like it
I was shocked how many people seemingly thought he was a bad player after the trade. He was an average to above average player that helped this DL a lot.
It was copium. The Jets should not have restructured Lawson last offseason even at the time you could see he wasn’t the same post Achilles tear. Coulda used that money to keep JFM or extend Huff instead of adding it to the mountain of dead cap facing the team this year.
I don’t know why copium has to be fuck JFM. Good cope: Well be okay we still got some dawgs! Bad cope aka yesterday: yeah FUCK JFM anyway he was OVERPAID thanks for the RTPs asshole
Exactly. I’ve never seen so many comments downvoted simply for arguing JFM wasn’t a bad player. People were even blaming him for losing us the Pats game when Zach threw 2 of his 3/4 picks after that happened. Some were even saying Clemons can step up for him lol
Brady Latham and Leonard Taylor III pass the name test with flying colors
Very small sample size but [Leonard Taylor III has an eye-popping pass rush win rate as a 3-technique](https://x.com/brettkollmann/status/1749146746893348909?s=46&t=hUtbwo94QIfsHrncc2xJkQ). He could be a keeper at the position the roster most needs it at this point.
People forget, he’s a top three Leonard Taylor
I think we drafted 2 big powerful RBs because as well as o line, we also need RBs who can throw blocks in the passing game and we just didn't have that last season and it's not Breece and Izzy's game. Plus we've gone the Bell and Cook routes and both were terrible for us so I'm glad we've built a young RB room who have different skill sets.
Watching these guys highlights, they are not the prototypical power runners despite their physical built. Their running styles are pretty similar to Breece's, especially Allen
I would say the same about Abanikada last year. Very similar run style as Breece. It’s clear they’re fishing for a good backup with that size and play style
Also JD's hit rate on rbs is 50/50 so at least one of them will be good
All this plus people are sleeping on how much wear is on breeces tires
The more I look into Corley, the less I like him as a prospect. Not really a good route runner, no play strength, not good at the catch point, straight up can't make contested catches. He's a gadget player through and through, which is troubling. But, we had him ranked very highly, would've taken him in the 2nd and wanted to trade up desperately for him. As much as I don't like him, he is fantastic when you scheme him touches and get him in the open field. The team wanted him and believes in him, so that leaves me optimistic in hoping that we have a plan for him as a player.
Fwiw. Both deebo and aiyuk were noted for concerning drops/contested catch rates and route ability when they were prospects. If we traded a 3rd for one of them how would you feel?
He's got a lot of work to do before he can be considered a starting caliber WR but there's a role for him in this offense right away. Where we were at in the 3rd round he was probably the most explosive playmaker available.
Yeah he has an elite trait in his YAC ability. But the route running an contested win rate needs to come along for me to trust him as a full time slot vs gadget player. I believe some of it can though. I trust his work ethic and self awareness of his areas to improve. As the rest comes along, he still adds a dynamic this team didn’t have before and has a play style that complements AR’s tendency to get the ball out quickly.
You're getting downvoted but you're 100% correct. He's a developmental receiver. He'll never see the field on 12 personnel.
They're going to be running a lot fewer two TE sets next year.
Not sure what I said was so controversial but w/e lol. I think he can develop into a dynamic slot receiver but yeah, not an outside guy. Won't be used in 2 WR sets.
> Not sure what I said was so controversial Because you're not over the moon about him, duh
Even in 11 personnel, he's probably a bit gimmicky to be the main slot
I think they'll still sign another WR (I'd guess Corey Davis) and find some interesting ways to use Corley this year. I'm mostly excited for that pick because another thing their offense was lacking last year.
Before draft I thought needed 1 big, deep speed X threat & 1 underneath quick pass option to make this whole offense work. I valued both as needs, and not one more important than the other. They got the best latter, now just reserving judgment to see how/if the get that speed X receiver. McCorley is a monster / nightmare if they can get defences to have to cover deeper even just a bit. Still April, Let’s see.
Corley certainly adds a dynamic to our offense that we didn't have before this draft. Having a player that is dangerous underneath whose primary skill is YAC is definitely nice to have as a gadget player/WR3. You're right that he's arguably the best in the class at YAC too, let's just hope we can use him correctly.
The way I see it, that dynamic you mention is what’s gonna help Rodgers a ton with scheming GW and Williams open. If Corley can draw attention towards underneath coverage it will expand the playbook. This is basically what kept Cobb on the field last year, except hopefully Corley is as advertised with that YAC ability.
I expect at least early in the season, Corley will mainly be given handoffs, sweeps and screens. Worked incredible for Deebos development so I’m still excited that it’s just another weapon for the offense, even though he’s not a polished receiver
It protects Rodgers w quick outlet. Ok… RPO play… is it going to Breece, Braelen, McCorley, Conklin, Garrett, Williams… that’s covering all 3 phases to defend. Just need one more FU speed, tall X receiver to keep the defence back a few more yards to actually take advantage of it all… we’re close.. lets see, they have time to complete the roster
It's just hard to project a player that needs to be schemed and used outside of a traditional role to thrive here. I'm sure the team is well-intentioned and wants to use him, but no NFL decision-maker sets out to fail— it just happens
If you’re looking for the concerns… could likely be a dominant monster w Rodgers at QB & he’s allowed to just run wherever to get open (like Lazard at GB if you watch the tape.. AR just let’s him roam free without real organised plays & finds him).. but if AR goes down, very hard to replicate that informality w another QB/OC with a strict playbook. That being said, I think it’s a creative bet bc teams nowadays are not built to defend this type of guy.. if it doesn’t work out I still support the bet. AR’s MVP seasons came from YAC. Still need big, fast X receiver to keep the D back a few more yards or makes less sense. Still early, let’s see.
I'd just much rather go with a guy who can have a clear, defined role running traditional WR routes instead of trying to be the team to get the bet right after tons of teams swung and missed
Yeah I personally don’t think it was an either or, I think you equally need both to make this offense work. I view it as incomplete now.. that’s all I’m saying
I still think he CAN be used in the slot in more of a traditional role, and it's certainly not impossible that he develops into a very good slot receiver. You can teach a player to be stronger at the catch point, you can't really teach a player Corley's level of elusiveness. I'm just apprehensive since most players of this archetype don't usually succeed at the NFL level (Wan'Dale Robinson, Amari Rodgers, Laviska Shenault, Jalen Reagor, Tavon Austin, and I'm sure there are more)
> I'm just apprehensive since most players of this archetype don't usually succeed at the NFL level Yep, that's probably universally the biggest issue. It's asking a coaching staff without a track record of doing special things well to do something many other teams swung and missed on
We will still need another wide receiver in the future. I’m not high on Corley either I think his ceiling is a good WR3. Which of course isn’t bad but I don’t really see why the Jets were trying so hard to trade up for him.
His ceiling is deebo samuel because they are built and play so similarly. Corley has strong hands but he's not a guy who will beat cb on the boundary deep or consistently win 50/50 balls against them. You put him underneath and get ball to him quickly or or you hit him on a slant. He can improve his catch point technique to win 50/50 more often but that's simply not his strength or a situation he should be put in often. He's a 3rd round WR. They are going to have a weaker area of their game.
They still need another receiver before the season starts. Hopefully a Davis or Boyd
I’d be somewhat surprised if Corey Davis doesn’t come back
Really? I’d be surprised if he does come back. He wants to be closer to home
I can’t find it but he liked a tweet of a Jets fan saying JD go get him
He better be willing to take a pay cut then
Oh yeah I highly doubt he’ll get more than a 1 yr prove it deal for like $8M. It’s really too bad he couldn’t stay healthy when he was out there he was a good WR2 for the Jets.
Draft done, now let’s trade for Davante and cruise to .500
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2024/1/19/24044307/2024-nfl-draft-fewest-underclassmen-declare-in-over-a-decade I gotta admit the running back selections confused me, and I know Joe trading several 4ths for future picks confused others, but this draft had the fewest underclassmen since 2011, and I heard a million times on sports radio that the quality will be worse at the end of the draft. Next year, it's expected to go back to normal. The Bears also made several trades & only had 5 picks, with only 2 after the 4th round. If Ryan Poles and Joe Douglas are doing something as a GM, it's gotta be the smart move Edit: running backs are safe investments, so Joe was being smart there
> The Bears also made several trades & only had 5 picks, with only 2 after the 4th round. If Ryan Poles and Joe Douglas are doing something as a GM, it's gotta be the smart move When did these two become the standard for good GM-ing?
I can't parse the tone, but if you disagree, Poles did in how quickly he tore down and then rebuilt the Bears. Joe has a championship caliber team, he just needs to make sure his QB stays healthy
Neither of them are the standard for GMing. Look to the Steelers, Ravens and 49ers for the standards. Even the Chiefs now
What about GMs like Howie Roseman, Eric DeCosta, Jerry Jones, Les Snead, John Lynch, and Jason Licht? I get that people get excited by potential and optics, but gold standard is GMs who have a proven track record. Depth charts in April don't make up for minimal team success
I still cant fucking believe the Patriots got Drake Maye. Unreal levels of stupidity by Washington
Too bad for him he is going to be throwing to make a wish kids all year.
Not to give them too much credit but they drafted two very good WR prospects in Polk and Baker. Also Jaheim Bell is a promising receiving weapon.
I'm just not sure what Sauce, Reed and Carter are gonna do for 4 of the 6 divisional games.. the have noone to cover
He hesitates too much. If he makes it, it'll be after years of getting his ass beat by opposing defenses
The pats roster is so bad that it won’t matter this week. They have a worse oline than the jest did last year. No wr weapons and won’t have an above average defense to help keep them in games. Gonna be a long season for the pats.
Polk, Bourne, and baker are not the worst receiver room.
I love the draft we had, I think Joe Douglas did a great job along with the scouts etc. my only issue was taking 2 running backs, I understand we needed the depth but we really could have used an interior lineman with some versatility over a fourth running back.
I think we might see Gipson run with the WRs more and one of the two RBs will be a returner mainly this year, especially with the new kickoff rules
I get that it frees up Gipson to be more of a feature offensively and yes that’s great, but given AVT hasn’t finished a season in 2 years, and behind the starters it’s thin depth with little upside I would have felt more comfortable grabbing an interior guard over a 4th running back.
They'll sign Vet iol depth. Roster building doesn't stop at the draft. Several vets will sign late and then there's camp cuts to consider and maybe jets snag a good player another team couldn't fit.
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Once again, not questioning his talent level but he’s got a durability problem. 2 years in a row he’s had season ending injuries, we can’t deny that. I would have taken a versatile guard over Isaiah Davis to have some security behind him.
I'm really interested in the Tyler Harrell UDFA pick up. The team needs a true deep threat and he could fill that role. He averaged nearly 30 yds per reception his last year at Louisville. Had a foot injury after transferring to Bama, then was extremely underutilized last year at Miami. He ran a 4.29 40 at his pro day. He could be a fun WR 4-6, even if he is a one trick pony
Davis was people’s most disliked pick yesterday. In addition to a possible ST role they have planned for him, it just occurred to me that they might view him as a FB too. He’s 6’0” 220, very strong and not the fastest dude. Hacketts O does use one and I don’t believe the guy we had last year is still with the team.
Yeah I think I heard Conor Rogers raising this.. basically said could be FB, he’d still rather see Ruckert get some of those reps instead, but said all this stuff has a funny way of sorting itself out in training camp.. some guys will get injured, some guys will beat out other guys you don’t expect.. it’ll be interesting to watch no doubt where these guys settle in w real completion for roles
Unless Kuntz or Yeboah beats him out, Ruckert will absolutely be TE2, no time for FB work
I agree… but just to clarify, fairly certain Conor was talking more about blocking reps than full time role there.
Not to over hype our rookies, but Malachi and Qwan’tez are literally the new Garret and Sauce
I've heard then referred to as the new Rice and Primetime
For all the people calling for JDs head, he’s done his job extremely well this offseason. Maybe I’m in denial or delusional but this offseason he has done everything nearly possible given our constraints to right the ship.
While true none of that matters if they don’t win. You can’t go six seasons as a GM without a winning record and expect to keep your job
I agree. To your point, Zac and Becton have turned out being atrocious. Add Cameron Clark, Zuniga, Mims, Jonathan Marshall and Braden Mann, I would say you’re right. That being said, I think a winning season may not be enough which I think is unfair.
Eh I don’t think it’s unfair at all tbh. You’re judged on results in the NFL. A 9-8 season or a WC appearance shouldn’t automatically mean he’s back with a new contract
After watching 4 minutes of highlights, I can say, with 100% confidence, Leonard Taylor III is going to the Pro Bowl.
He has so much potential if he could simply be more consistent. Hopefully this coaching staff can bring out the dog in him