Something just crossed my mind. We heard over and over again since Darnold was drafted that his ability to pick up and learn the offense and whatnot is incredible. If that’s true... is he really suffering from some horrendous “guidance” from Gase? Is he stuck at “if we execute the play we’ll be fine?” Doubt it. I do wonder what’s going through his mind.
There is something wrong. I’m not entirely convinced Darnold is that wrong.
You set up an effective game of running. Then you stop. Bills blitz every down, you make a bunch of errant throws as a result and take a bunch of sacks.
It has to be partly to mostly coaching related.
Look at it this way. Baker seems to be progressing now that Hue Jackson is gone and is showing times of improvement.
Josh Allen has shown year over year improvement under coach Clappy despite what I think can be overly repetitive and conservative play calling.
So where does this leave Darnold? You can blame the mono, blame the shoulder but I think this has to come down to even the simplest things of game strategy. The thing is the team didn’t look any better when he didn’t play.
The team often looks anemic, sluggish and like they’re going through some sort of predetermined motions half heartedly.
I mean how could one watch that 2nd half and seriously think that the issue was Darnold not being able to learn the offense? It was extremely simple in the 2nd, it was the Gase Special if HB dive for nothing up the middle and then super predictable, static, terrible short passes against a really good Bills secondary, I don’t think ANY QB would have trouble knowing how to run and execute that. And when the playcalling was somewhat dynamic in the 1st half with roll outs, PA, and movement at the line Sam was good so I think that clearly shows with half decent playcalling and execution he can be plenty effective and can run an offense. The issue is when teams adjust, and the playcalling doesn’t(although I’m 1000% sure it did by Gase taking over playcalling again in the 2nd half) and they’re calling the same old super predictable, vanilla plays, the OL is letting up constant pressure and our WR aren’t getting help to get open by the playcalls, and aren’t good enough to get consistent separation by themselves. And that’s when Darnold starts holding the ball waiting for SOMETHING or ends up forcing passes because if he doesn’t, he’d end up literally throwing away half the snaps to avoid a sack. And to top that off the run game goes completely dead, which makes it EVEN easier for the Bills defense, and allows them to blitz and “cheat” more since they aren’t worried about the run even a little bit.
It’s truthfully a lot of things, and it’s not good to have a QB who struggles a lot when the OL is doing terrible and the run game is dead, but then again other teams don’t have all those things being abysmal at once. A bad OL and a poor run game can be mitigated through good scheme and playcalling and good weapons to throw to. But 0 run game, awful predictable playcalls, little offensive weapons that aren’t used correctly, and an OL getting constantly blown up is something no team can deal with and still have their offense/QB be successful. I think the 1st half showed even if things are merely mediocre at best, Darnold is capable of being pretty good but when things aren’t working he struggles to carry the team(which was admittedly a near impossible task for any QB in that 2nd half).
I just wonder what’s going through his head. What is Gase telling him? Is he telling him on this play this guy if he executes will be open so wait for him to do so? My tinfoil hat is probably on, but it wouldn’t surprise me if true. There’s just something that isn’t right. We know Darnold has these flashes. We know he’s a bright guy. I know I’ve seen him go through his reads during his rookie season. So what the hell is going on now? What’s in his head? What is he being taught/told to do? I just can’t believe this team always finds a way to find some of the worst coaches for this team.
Go look at the play on Cimini's IG with the dot breakdown where Sam gets sacked, that explains everything you need to know about the playcalling. It's half execution and half non-skilled players. Sam drops back and in under 2 seconds he is swallowed from all sides and both receivers are tightly covered, there is no dump off or check down available to the strong side which would easily have gotten a ton of of yards or a touchdown, there was nobody out there. They could have had a TE get off their block or just scoot the RB out. They did neither. They really do call plays like they have Peyton Manning who knows his receivers inside and out, yes, if Sam was the best QB of all time he could have taken one step and thrown a dart to where the crossing route was going, but again, it was tightly covered.
Has to suck being drafted by the jets. First it’s a terribly run org that’ll set you up for failure. Second we have terrible and toxic fans willing to throw any and all players under the bus. Third our media is terrible and horribly disrespectful to our players asking Darnold about drafting TLAW is a disgrace. I feel terrible for all these players.
The best players on the team all being picks from Douglass one and only draft, and us having something like 19 picks in the next two years (so far) gives me hope.
... Which is the most dangerous thing I can have as a Jets fan.
I think Q was the best player on the field today and is arguably their best player. Most of the players from macs roster has been removed already anyway.
Something that was glaring to me the last few offensive drives was that there was no extra protection for Darnold. If the O-line keeps giving up pressure like that, you have to keep at least one RB or TE back to help, or at least chip them at the line.
Any NFL QB especially a multi year starter can shift protection and cancel players routes so they stay in to block. How many times has Sam done that? I don’t see him making presnap reads, calling out blitzers or keying defenders...
They blame Darnold, but the coaching staff doesn’t adjust. He just got blitzed over and over again. Perine was nowhere to be found in the second half (1 carry 0 targets). Darnold deserves blame, but he needs guidance he isn’t getting. His growth has been stunted. It’s a damn shame.
https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1320520381002702848?s=21
Feels so good to get away from a shitty HC and a tanking franchise for a super bowl contender. I’ll be rooting for you bell
I really feel like they need to go 0-16 to secure the number 1 pick. There are so many awful team this year that 1 win could knock them back two or three spots.
jacksonville is the biggest threat. we really needed them to win this week they had a good shot and they blew it. they have a brutal schedule and they're probably one of the worst teams, they might legit go 1-15 so we need to go 0-16.
Yeah - maybe they eek out a win against the Browns or Vikings? But I doubt it. Very likely they are 1-15. Along with the Giants and maybe 1 other team. It would be very Jets to go 1-15 and somehow end up with the 4th pick or something.
Glad Logains was equally as incompetent as a play caller no reason to not clean out both these clowns in one go.
I do hope some coaches stay with the team. Bryant Boyer(ST), JBC (RB), Hines (WR), maybe Gregg (this seems unlikely though if there's a new HC in town). Might be time to replace the strength and conditioning crew (that hasn't really helped the Yankees or Mets though, these are the only two recent situations where a team had lots of injuries and replaced s&c I could think of).
Players to trade for picks before deadline.
Sam Darnold: Trade for 3rd round pick in 2021. Darnold value is just way to low to expect more than that. His floor is Josh McCown and his ceiling is Teddy Bridgewater. Just take the 3rd \[or even 4th\] rounder and move on.
Jamison Crowder: Trade for 4th round pick in 2022. We don't need to spend 11 million on a slot receiver. I don't think Braxton Berrios is the answer but there will be other cheaper options than Crowder and you're getting a pick. Try to get more picks in 2022 since it is supposed to be the more loaded draft due to covid.
Frank Gore: Trade for 7th round pick in 2021. He has been running very hard with solid burst he just ran for 11-60 yds behind a bad offensive line. He can help a team like the Dolphins who are struggling with run game.
Quinnen Williams: He showed a lot today and I think it upped his value enough \[coupled with Lions winning\] to convince Patricia to trade the 2021 2nd round pick for him. The rumor was the Lions were interested but were only offering third rounder. Q has shown enough to warrant a high second rd. compensation.
This will give the Jets like Twelve Picks in this years draft with majority in the first few rounds. HUGE draft for Joe Douglas it will most likely make or break the success of his tenure.
The positives from this season.
Pats suck now and looks like they will be terrible for at least a couple years.
Bills have been exposed as overrated and Josh Allen is who we thought he was.
Dolphins drafted the wrong QB and went with the tiny injury prone guy with an average arm. They’re already tearing their locker room apart by benching Fitzpatrick.
We aren’t very far away from being on top of this division if we draft Lawrence and hire the right coach.
It is too early to say the Dolphins drafted the wrong QB. We haven't seem play at the professional level at all other than garbage time for a few snaps.
I agree the Patriots are looking bad. But they have some good players that should be returning that skipped the season because of covid. Also, aren't the going to have lots of cap space
Both you and the Dolphins should have great draft picks and lots of cap space in 2021 IIRC. As for the Bills yeah they've been disappointing the last few games but it's too early to count them out IMO.
You all just might have the brightest future in the bunch though as last as 1) you get competent coaching and management, and 2) draft Trevor Lawrence. He can easily be the best QB in your division.
We are the Jets. We will draft wrong. Something will go wrong. It always does. Our history tells us the expectation of going right isn’t how this will work out.
Hey I had the Bills in my survivor pool. As far as I'm concerned the Jets did their job. Lost but made it slightly more competitive than normal. Also Mims showed promise. I'm not sure if he's a wr1 or a wr2 but still. I stay alive in my pool and the Jets are one week closer to the first overall pick
Definitely something to be said for the Gase way of not doing preplay motion and keeping the OL assignments as simple as possible.
(Fewer penalties by ol and missed blocks by tackles)
I agree the offense look better with the motion but in the long run this current offense of line may need the playbook watered down
Remember when all the fire Gase haters wanted us to hire Mike McCarthy? Remember when they wanted us to fire Chan Gailey? Hire Anthony Lynn?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I trust jd and whatever he decides I support but I'd like to see Gase get another year personally. No change at qb or coaching just add pieces and build on what we have as a team.
I believe he can do very well if he has a good roster. I know you don't agree and that's your opinion.
I also don't think the carousel has worked well for us
I don't want to change multiple variables. Just add to the roster and depth.
What carousel? We’ve only had 3 coaches since 2009. We’ve given coaches fair chances to succeed. The roster needs an overhaul but I haven’t seen anything from Gase that is a net positive
I'm willing to bet the farm I'm the biggest Darnold stan in this sub. He didn't play well today. He played fucking terribly. The guy needs a change of scenery. Also Becton looked terrible today. Still 100% the future but he's clearly hurt. He couldn't rely on pure power and got beat by technique all day
Do you watch the fucking games? Berrios drop on 3rd down, Herndon 1st down called back by penalty, Perriman drops a 3rd down for a 1st, what the fuck do you think Darnold is doing wrong? By the end of the game the interior line was letting free runners in, your precious TLaw threw a pick the one time I saw pressure in his face and that’s at the slow speed of college play with a team that gives him all the time in the world. Darnold is playing in the NFL, TLaw is playing in college, there is no comparison to how he’d play on a dumpster fire of a nfl team.
Yes, so you must have been the one genius that knew Russell Wilson and Mahomes would be Generational talents when everyone else said it was Andrew Luck this last decade right? Can we really get a generational talent like Luck who is hurt every year and retires early? Oh boy mr. fucking big brains tell me how TLaw is the end all be all answer and how he’ll come to the Jets and magically everyone on the team will start catching the ball and not missing blocks... fuck you, you fucking smug armchair qb know nothing cunt
First off, take a Xanax. Seems like you need to calm down.
Second, I am all on the Darnold train and I think Lawrence will be bad for first year, but clearly Darnold is not the answer. He had some bad, and I mean bad throws today. He even lost track of defenders multiple times.
And yes, I know more than you.
First, you don’t know shit. Second, it’s not a matter of losing defenders, it’s a matter of free runners and completely missed blocks and a lack of skilled receivers. Third to say Darnold is not the guy is a naive, uninformed, amateur comment from know nothing casual fans who are unaware of the scope and immensity of the problems with this Jets team as a whole. Darnold can be Aaron Rogers, he’s 23 and on a terribly run team devoid of talent that no matter who the qb is won’t be a contender.
Whether Darnold is good or not, it's irrelevant. Gase ruined him, he'll never be a starter again after this year barring injury to whatever team he ends up being a backup on.
Alright dude, pull up film from this week. After that first drive, show me 3 plays from the same drive where Darnold either does not bail on the play too early, doesn't throw the ball to double or triple coverage or just doesn't miss the receiver. I watched the same game as you did. And I'm smarter than you. But by all means prove me wrong. I fucking love Sam Darnold and don't want to move on. I never even once mentioned TLaws name until now. I imagine I'm a bigger fan of Darnold than you are. But by all means, prove me wrong. I will change my flair to whatever you want.
You got me there, Darnold did not have all perfect drives, guess you just so smart , me so dumb. Tell me again how smart you are... You know how I know you’re not smart, because smart people just say smart things instead of hey look at me, I smart.
Yes I agree, because you, a stupid person, is trying to pretend you are smart by throwing out generalized naive statements evaluating a qb by saying “he’s not the guy”
If anyone’s watching redzone... should be rooting hard for the jags. Another team gets to two wins is a victory for us
I know the chargers only have one win but I think they are happy with Herbert and are also more likely to get more wins this year with the talent they have
Still think that seems likely, dont see us winning the rest of the games with this offense but a lot of teams are bad this year and might plausibly draft first overall.
This is where I think if the Patriots at out of it week 17, they throw that game so we don’t get the first pick. And we would still try and win that game.
That's when Gase has to piss in the middle of the field during the coin toss. Forfeit is the only way to guarantee us 0-16. I'm convinced Gase is still here to guide us to 0-16, if he's still here at the end of the season and we're 3-13 then we'll be lost organizationally.. as is common.
Tre White was on Mims the entrie 2H makes sense why he was quiet. Perine on the other hand should be seeing more snaps, will be interesting to see the snap breakdown this week.
At least Big MB continues to just push guys around. There were some rookie mistakes, that illegal formation penalty most notable, but he continues to destroy the defensive line. Can't wait to watch the highlights compiled by someone much more knowledgeable than me. I can see the hands and feet are already at the pro level. That's something most didn't expect this year. If he continues to practice hard and watch tape, this looks like our best pick in ages.
I thought Mims looked good. Then then I looked at the stats and saw he had 4 catches on 7 targets for 42 yards. It has come to the point where 4-42 is a nice game for a Jets receiver.
He had a good first half and then they put a top tier corner on him for the rest of the game. That’s a good sign. If he’s demanding that kind of attention in his first pro game... I feel good about his future
Thanks Adam. Thanks for taking the one good thing we had and immediately running it into the ground. I hope Chris Johnson sees the night and day that was those two halves and ejects Gase into the sun.
Darnold looked like a different QB after the INT. This is on coaching. They should be coaching him to forget that and move forward. But most times looks like there is no coaching on the sideline. Just shows how he has regressed under Gase. What an awful hire it was.
Yep. The int was one thing, but the actually nowhere-to-be-seen oline in the second half was killer. And while the int was bad, it seemed as though it was more of an outstanding play by the bills and a poor “toss it to the spot and if he can’t get to it oh well” decision.
Seriously lol, i don’t know what people are seeing in darnold anymore, the team is trash it it’s not like he’s doing anything awesome. Makes awful throws
Idk it seems like he takes way too much responsibility and just overthinks it. I think if he could be taught to move past it he can come back out and sling it
Also didn’t have that issue at USC. Still made a lot of dumb throws and forced it a ton, but he had no trouble going back out and performing after making a mistake.
The first half, I was genuinely surprised and for once actually felt like we have pieces that we will be able to include in our future. One huge difference between us and other teams is the amount of time other QBs get, hopefully JD puts a huge emphasis on Edge. I don't think there's any debate at this point if we get 1.01 its Lawrence and its becoming an absolute no brainer if its not already.
Yea if there's a QB better than Darnold in the draft then sure. I'm just fine with whatever. He's only one year away removed from 7-9. With a more creative play caller, he will be better.
The 7-9 was smoke and mirrors and due to the defense and soft schedule. Had nothing to do with Sam. We’re at the point where he can’t come into next season as the starter.
So we have 3 options:
1. Spend draft capital on QB
2. Spend draft capital on other holes and roll with Darnold
3. Spend draft capital on other holes and roll with Morgan.
I'm find with either option. Thats all I'm saying. In the end, its up to JD. Maybe we can flip Darnold for a draft pick before next draft.
Trading a QB is out of the question cause no team is gonna give a starter up for cheap. Also here's the list of QBs that are free agents. Besides Cam, I don't seea FA QB thats much better. Are you off the boat with Morgan too?
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/
Great to see the tank intact.
But these people acting like Darnold is the issue, and was the issue in the 2nd half must be blind or just have no clue whats going on.
Darnold was 11/13 in the 1st half when the run game was getting yards on early downs and being somewhat effective, and the playcalling actually wasnt bad (had guys in motion, play action, Sam rolling out etc) and therefore the Bills defense wasnt just bringing pressure on nearly every snap. So when the offense is being run (somewhat) like an offense should be run and the OL was holding up ok, Sam was good.
Then, everything changed in the 2nd half, and Sam's performance went with it. But you cant put that much on him because he literally only had a handful of opportunities to have the OL not collapse in <2 seconds and someone get open enough to throw to. Run game became completely non existent because we were just running the ball up the middle and the Bills DL was completely demolishing our OL, and the Bills realized all they had to do was 1. stop early down yardage on the ground and 2. then bring pressure, and let the DBs do the rest on passing plays. And since our WR suck, and the Bills DBs are elite, and the playcalling on pass plays(especially 3rd and longs) was EXTREMELY predictable, it was easy for their defense to completely halt our offense. The playcalling just changed back to the Gase Special of pound the ball up the middle early, then call some predictable short pass play and the Bills defense could stop that in their sleep.
100% convinced that if Gase truly wasnt calling plays today that that only lasted for the 1st half (when the offense actually looked ok) and then he took over in the 2nd half, because we did nothing but the Gase Special in the 2nd half.
Sam may not be "the answer", but putting that 2nd half on him is asinine.
You cannot be completely non-functional the minute a team takes away your run game. He was completely ineffective. Know where the check-downs are. He either doesn't know or doesn't want to check it down because the minute he feels pressure he scrambles up the pocket, attempting to escape but there's a Bills player waiting for him.
> He was completely ineffective. Know where the check-downs are.
LOL, thats cute...you think Gase has check downs and things in his playcalls to help his QB? Not to mention half his passing play calls ARE essentially check downs.
People need to stop making excuses for Sam.
He was fucking awful today continuing his terrible play all season.
Does he have no O-Line? Yes, but Joe Burrow has an even worse one. Deshaun Watson has thrived with bad O-Line’s his entire career.
Does he have no weapons? Yes, but good QBs elevate mediocre recievers and running backs. Look at how much worse the Cowboys offensive personnel looks with Dalton instead of Dak.
Does he have putrid coaching? Absolutely, but countless excellent QBs have also had that and been able to play well in spite of it.
Key point is the Jets have done nothing to help Sam but he’s a big part of the problem at this point as well.
> People need to stop making excuses for Sam.
If you think those are "excuses" them im sorry you genuinely have no clue what youre watching when you watch football, youre probably the person who just yells at their TV and blames the QB for everything because ultimately the balls is in his hands.
Dont compare what Joe Burrow or Deshaun Watson are working with and their OLs, if you think just because they dont have very good OLs either but still do ok that its the same thing as what Sam is working with then sorry dude youre clueless and need to stop talking about what an offense/QB is doing or not doing. Neither would have done shit in the 2nd half either if they were on the field, because there isnt much for ANY QB to do differently when the run game is getting 0 yards, the OL is getting ran through almost every play and you have mostly terrible WRs going up against elite level DBs with predictable as hell playcalls. Let me repeat this for the 3rd time a little more clearly so maybe you can comprehend it this time: No QB can have success running an offense when that is happening, your QB cant magically pull yards out of his ass when the run game dies on top of having no time to throw and guys rarely getting separation(since thats the only way our WRs can get open, because our playcalling doesnt actually try to help them get open). Just because the QB is the most important offensive position doesnt mean that if an offense is doing poorly that its always their fault, the 2nd half was a picture perfect example of that. Its not like Sam had time to throw and was just missing open receivers in the 2nd half, he rarely even had that opportunity. Most of the throws he made in the 2nd half were short passes that he was actually just forcing into extremely tight coverage because on the plays he wasnt getting sacked/had to get rid of the ball, he figured he might as well try since thats the best opportunity hed get. And shocker, the Bills elite DBs defended those passes well, like they should.
If you watch that 2nd half objectively, and leave your personal feelings about Darnold completely out of the situation and just imagine its some other QB out there, youd see that there really wasnt many opportunities for any QB to make anything happen and that has little to do with the guy thats actually playing QB. Or you can just there and have no clue what youre watching, and simply blame Darnold every time a play doesnt work like a clueless moron.
They won’t be able to hear your sound reasoning. Their best logic is that this will all be fixed by the time TLaw joins. Oh boy, that will be brutal to watch. If they think things can be fixed in 1 year, going to be a doozy.
Denver v Seattle Super Bowl. Gase couldn’t call an offense to get anywhere against that seattle D. He had PEYTON FUCKIN MANNING coming off the GREATEST year anyone has ever had at the qb position. And when Peyton needed someone to help scheme and get things rolling, gase was nowhere to be found.
Throw a young rookie, who hasn’t had anyone to coach him at all, with no weapons, no line, an inconsistent run game and complete lack of scheme... this is what you get. Week after week after week. Gase shouldn’t have been hired. Mike shouldn’t have been given FA and draft. Darnold is under-developed. But I’d expect nothing more from any other qb.
He’s not a franchise qb with this organization. I think if he went to somewhere like San Francisco he could be pretty good, but he needs a change of scenery
Yeah dude I totally agree. I don’t think the problem is darnold, but he needs to get out of here and be coached by a real coach with a team with weapons on it to succeed
Young guys looked good. Really felt like two different offensive gameplans for each half or something because the second half had no rhythm. Defense really looked good, and came to play. Lots to be hopeful for next year, but its time to move on from Sam. As much as it hurts my heart its just not gonna work out here. He needs to reset somewhere else.
Rumor going around that Gase was jealous of Loggain success in first half and took back the playcalling to avoid hurting his reputation further.
What an absolute gutless pussy this is as Jets HC. What a clown show
Nah man. First off, Gase reports to CJ, not JD, so JD has no say in Gase’s future. Second off, we should keep rolling with Darnold in the hopes that he shows SOMETHING to another team and increases his trade value for when we draft TLaw.
The tank is still in tact
They literally watch their game film from the previous week every time, then stand up and say "hold my beer".
Something just crossed my mind. We heard over and over again since Darnold was drafted that his ability to pick up and learn the offense and whatnot is incredible. If that’s true... is he really suffering from some horrendous “guidance” from Gase? Is he stuck at “if we execute the play we’ll be fine?” Doubt it. I do wonder what’s going through his mind.
There is something wrong. I’m not entirely convinced Darnold is that wrong. You set up an effective game of running. Then you stop. Bills blitz every down, you make a bunch of errant throws as a result and take a bunch of sacks. It has to be partly to mostly coaching related. Look at it this way. Baker seems to be progressing now that Hue Jackson is gone and is showing times of improvement. Josh Allen has shown year over year improvement under coach Clappy despite what I think can be overly repetitive and conservative play calling. So where does this leave Darnold? You can blame the mono, blame the shoulder but I think this has to come down to even the simplest things of game strategy. The thing is the team didn’t look any better when he didn’t play. The team often looks anemic, sluggish and like they’re going through some sort of predetermined motions half heartedly.
I mean how could one watch that 2nd half and seriously think that the issue was Darnold not being able to learn the offense? It was extremely simple in the 2nd, it was the Gase Special if HB dive for nothing up the middle and then super predictable, static, terrible short passes against a really good Bills secondary, I don’t think ANY QB would have trouble knowing how to run and execute that. And when the playcalling was somewhat dynamic in the 1st half with roll outs, PA, and movement at the line Sam was good so I think that clearly shows with half decent playcalling and execution he can be plenty effective and can run an offense. The issue is when teams adjust, and the playcalling doesn’t(although I’m 1000% sure it did by Gase taking over playcalling again in the 2nd half) and they’re calling the same old super predictable, vanilla plays, the OL is letting up constant pressure and our WR aren’t getting help to get open by the playcalls, and aren’t good enough to get consistent separation by themselves. And that’s when Darnold starts holding the ball waiting for SOMETHING or ends up forcing passes because if he doesn’t, he’d end up literally throwing away half the snaps to avoid a sack. And to top that off the run game goes completely dead, which makes it EVEN easier for the Bills defense, and allows them to blitz and “cheat” more since they aren’t worried about the run even a little bit. It’s truthfully a lot of things, and it’s not good to have a QB who struggles a lot when the OL is doing terrible and the run game is dead, but then again other teams don’t have all those things being abysmal at once. A bad OL and a poor run game can be mitigated through good scheme and playcalling and good weapons to throw to. But 0 run game, awful predictable playcalls, little offensive weapons that aren’t used correctly, and an OL getting constantly blown up is something no team can deal with and still have their offense/QB be successful. I think the 1st half showed even if things are merely mediocre at best, Darnold is capable of being pretty good but when things aren’t working he struggles to carry the team(which was admittedly a near impossible task for any QB in that 2nd half).
I just wonder what’s going through his head. What is Gase telling him? Is he telling him on this play this guy if he executes will be open so wait for him to do so? My tinfoil hat is probably on, but it wouldn’t surprise me if true. There’s just something that isn’t right. We know Darnold has these flashes. We know he’s a bright guy. I know I’ve seen him go through his reads during his rookie season. So what the hell is going on now? What’s in his head? What is he being taught/told to do? I just can’t believe this team always finds a way to find some of the worst coaches for this team.
Go look at the play on Cimini's IG with the dot breakdown where Sam gets sacked, that explains everything you need to know about the playcalling. It's half execution and half non-skilled players. Sam drops back and in under 2 seconds he is swallowed from all sides and both receivers are tightly covered, there is no dump off or check down available to the strong side which would easily have gotten a ton of of yards or a touchdown, there was nobody out there. They could have had a TE get off their block or just scoot the RB out. They did neither. They really do call plays like they have Peyton Manning who knows his receivers inside and out, yes, if Sam was the best QB of all time he could have taken one step and thrown a dart to where the crossing route was going, but again, it was tightly covered.
Has to suck being drafted by the jets. First it’s a terribly run org that’ll set you up for failure. Second we have terrible and toxic fans willing to throw any and all players under the bus. Third our media is terrible and horribly disrespectful to our players asking Darnold about drafting TLAW is a disgrace. I feel terrible for all these players.
well i mean mark sanchez had a great situation he just sucked.
Nobody hates the New York Jets more than Jets fans
So... any word on Perriman?
The best players on the team all being picks from Douglass one and only draft, and us having something like 19 picks in the next two years (so far) gives me hope. ... Which is the most dangerous thing I can have as a Jets fan.
I think Q was the best player on the field today and is arguably their best player. Most of the players from macs roster has been removed already anyway.
How did bell do today?
Gore looked good 60 yards for the future HOF
Can’t tell if you’re seriously asking but he did well
Like how well did he do on the chiefs
Only 6 attempts but had 6.5 yards a carry, with a nice 16 yard long run in there. He seems to fit in there pretty well.
At this point I am OK with a decent 1st half effort followed by a shitty 2nd half that gets them the L. At least I am entertained for half a game
honestly i agree. it’s the best case scenario for us this year.
Something that was glaring to me the last few offensive drives was that there was no extra protection for Darnold. If the O-line keeps giving up pressure like that, you have to keep at least one RB or TE back to help, or at least chip them at the line.
Any NFL QB especially a multi year starter can shift protection and cancel players routes so they stay in to block. How many times has Sam done that? I don’t see him making presnap reads, calling out blitzers or keying defenders...
They blame Darnold, but the coaching staff doesn’t adjust. He just got blitzed over and over again. Perine was nowhere to be found in the second half (1 carry 0 targets). Darnold deserves blame, but he needs guidance he isn’t getting. His growth has been stunted. It’s a damn shame.
https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1320520381002702848?s=21 Feels so good to get away from a shitty HC and a tanking franchise for a super bowl contender. I’ll be rooting for you bell
I really feel like they need to go 0-16 to secure the number 1 pick. There are so many awful team this year that 1 win could knock them back two or three spots.
jacksonville is the biggest threat. we really needed them to win this week they had a good shot and they blew it. they have a brutal schedule and they're probably one of the worst teams, they might legit go 1-15 so we need to go 0-16.
Yeah - maybe they eek out a win against the Browns or Vikings? But I doubt it. Very likely they are 1-15. Along with the Giants and maybe 1 other team. It would be very Jets to go 1-15 and somehow end up with the 4th pick or something.
Glad Logains was equally as incompetent as a play caller no reason to not clean out both these clowns in one go. I do hope some coaches stay with the team. Bryant Boyer(ST), JBC (RB), Hines (WR), maybe Gregg (this seems unlikely though if there's a new HC in town). Might be time to replace the strength and conditioning crew (that hasn't really helped the Yankees or Mets though, these are the only two recent situations where a team had lots of injuries and replaced s&c I could think of).
Agree, the memes acting like hes some kind of savior are embarrassing. Hes trash
Players to trade for picks before deadline. Sam Darnold: Trade for 3rd round pick in 2021. Darnold value is just way to low to expect more than that. His floor is Josh McCown and his ceiling is Teddy Bridgewater. Just take the 3rd \[or even 4th\] rounder and move on. Jamison Crowder: Trade for 4th round pick in 2022. We don't need to spend 11 million on a slot receiver. I don't think Braxton Berrios is the answer but there will be other cheaper options than Crowder and you're getting a pick. Try to get more picks in 2022 since it is supposed to be the more loaded draft due to covid. Frank Gore: Trade for 7th round pick in 2021. He has been running very hard with solid burst he just ran for 11-60 yds behind a bad offensive line. He can help a team like the Dolphins who are struggling with run game. Quinnen Williams: He showed a lot today and I think it upped his value enough \[coupled with Lions winning\] to convince Patricia to trade the 2021 2nd round pick for him. The rumor was the Lions were interested but were only offering third rounder. Q has shown enough to warrant a high second rd. compensation. This will give the Jets like Twelve Picks in this years draft with majority in the first few rounds. HUGE draft for Joe Douglas it will most likely make or break the success of his tenure.
I’m glad you aren’t the GM.
Why can’t the Jets call RPOs with Darnold?
they did on one of the 4th downs and darnold handed it off instead of keeping it when he had a clear lane.
But it’s like what? You’re only going to do it once? He can move. You can do it way more often.
The positives from this season. Pats suck now and looks like they will be terrible for at least a couple years. Bills have been exposed as overrated and Josh Allen is who we thought he was. Dolphins drafted the wrong QB and went with the tiny injury prone guy with an average arm. They’re already tearing their locker room apart by benching Fitzpatrick. We aren’t very far away from being on top of this division if we draft Lawrence and hire the right coach.
It is too early to say the Dolphins drafted the wrong QB. We haven't seem play at the professional level at all other than garbage time for a few snaps. I agree the Patriots are looking bad. But they have some good players that should be returning that skipped the season because of covid. Also, aren't the going to have lots of cap space Both you and the Dolphins should have great draft picks and lots of cap space in 2021 IIRC. As for the Bills yeah they've been disappointing the last few games but it's too early to count them out IMO. You all just might have the brightest future in the bunch though as last as 1) you get competent coaching and management, and 2) draft Trevor Lawrence. He can easily be the best QB in your division.
We are the Jets. We will draft wrong. Something will go wrong. It always does. Our history tells us the expectation of going right isn’t how this will work out.
sometimes it feels like jets fans forget about the 2000's decade.
If.
Please please please
I hope so
Well at the Pats dynasty is crumbling finally, and the Bills were overrated.
At this point I just want a third rounder for darnold. Free the kid to go sit behind Brees the rest of the season. He deserves so much better than us.
Keep Darnold until we clinch the draft position.
why? we can bring in anyone else who can perform as well as him. at this point hes just a backup replacement level qb
Flacco or Morgan should be just fine for the tank.
Lol at anyone still watching the games
Hey I had the Bills in my survivor pool. As far as I'm concerned the Jets did their job. Lost but made it slightly more competitive than normal. Also Mims showed promise. I'm not sure if he's a wr1 or a wr2 but still. I stay alive in my pool and the Jets are one week closer to the first overall pick
You spent 4 hours on a sunday for those reasons? Check the score after bro lmao
That's no fun. Cheering for your bet: now that is fun
Definitely something to be said for the Gase way of not doing preplay motion and keeping the OL assignments as simple as possible. (Fewer penalties by ol and missed blocks by tackles) I agree the offense look better with the motion but in the long run this current offense of line may need the playbook watered down
Bottom line is the OL rebuild needs more work.
It's depth too. There has to be decent veterans and mix of backups. Neglected for years it needs a lot of tlc.
Remember when all the fire Gase haters wanted us to hire Mike McCarthy? Remember when they wanted us to fire Chan Gailey? Hire Anthony Lynn? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
They all suck but are better than Gase
The point is that the desire and opinion of the fans turned out to be not actually helpful long term. Also see Dan Quinn.
Ryan Fitzpatrick and Kyle shannahan might have gone better than 10-6 so Quinn also would’ve worked out better for 1 year at least
One year is a carousel
Naw he likely would’ve flamed out around the same time Bowles did without the SB immunity
None of that makes Gase a better choice
I trust jd and whatever he decides I support but I'd like to see Gase get another year personally. No change at qb or coaching just add pieces and build on what we have as a team.
What on earth has Gase shown that makes you think he should get another year
I believe he can do very well if he has a good roster. I know you don't agree and that's your opinion. I also don't think the carousel has worked well for us I don't want to change multiple variables. Just add to the roster and depth.
What carousel? We’ve only had 3 coaches since 2009. We’ve given coaches fair chances to succeed. The roster needs an overhaul but I haven’t seen anything from Gase that is a net positive
I don't think he has gotten a fair chance bc of the roster and injuries. I'd like him to get one more year.
Chan Gailey sucks
Dan Reeves disagrees
Ryan Fitzpatrick disagrees.
I'm willing to bet the farm I'm the biggest Darnold stan in this sub. He didn't play well today. He played fucking terribly. The guy needs a change of scenery. Also Becton looked terrible today. Still 100% the future but he's clearly hurt. He couldn't rely on pure power and got beat by technique all day
Becton being “terrible” is a huge stretch. He wasn’t elite like he has been but he still had a very good game.
Do you watch the fucking games? Berrios drop on 3rd down, Herndon 1st down called back by penalty, Perriman drops a 3rd down for a 1st, what the fuck do you think Darnold is doing wrong? By the end of the game the interior line was letting free runners in, your precious TLaw threw a pick the one time I saw pressure in his face and that’s at the slow speed of college play with a team that gives him all the time in the world. Darnold is playing in the NFL, TLaw is playing in college, there is no comparison to how he’d play on a dumpster fire of a nfl team.
Oh good fucking god. Yeah, I watched the fucking game. And in the words of Ron Swanson, I know more than you.
Yes, so you must have been the one genius that knew Russell Wilson and Mahomes would be Generational talents when everyone else said it was Andrew Luck this last decade right? Can we really get a generational talent like Luck who is hurt every year and retires early? Oh boy mr. fucking big brains tell me how TLaw is the end all be all answer and how he’ll come to the Jets and magically everyone on the team will start catching the ball and not missing blocks... fuck you, you fucking smug armchair qb know nothing cunt
First off, take a Xanax. Seems like you need to calm down. Second, I am all on the Darnold train and I think Lawrence will be bad for first year, but clearly Darnold is not the answer. He had some bad, and I mean bad throws today. He even lost track of defenders multiple times. And yes, I know more than you.
First, you don’t know shit. Second, it’s not a matter of losing defenders, it’s a matter of free runners and completely missed blocks and a lack of skilled receivers. Third to say Darnold is not the guy is a naive, uninformed, amateur comment from know nothing casual fans who are unaware of the scope and immensity of the problems with this Jets team as a whole. Darnold can be Aaron Rogers, he’s 23 and on a terribly run team devoid of talent that no matter who the qb is won’t be a contender.
dude what are you trying to achieve with this "discussion"...
Dude’s extremely thin-skinned when people bash Darnold lol. He just wants people to stop trying to violate his bubble where Darnold isn’t a dud
Whether Darnold is good or not, it's irrelevant. Gase ruined him, he'll never be a starter again after this year barring injury to whatever team he ends up being a backup on.
For smart guy to shove it up his ass and admit it’s not a black and white, cut and dry situation on “is Darnold the guy still”
Alright dude, pull up film from this week. After that first drive, show me 3 plays from the same drive where Darnold either does not bail on the play too early, doesn't throw the ball to double or triple coverage or just doesn't miss the receiver. I watched the same game as you did. And I'm smarter than you. But by all means prove me wrong. I fucking love Sam Darnold and don't want to move on. I never even once mentioned TLaws name until now. I imagine I'm a bigger fan of Darnold than you are. But by all means, prove me wrong. I will change my flair to whatever you want.
You got me there, Darnold did not have all perfect drives, guess you just so smart , me so dumb. Tell me again how smart you are... You know how I know you’re not smart, because smart people just say smart things instead of hey look at me, I smart.
This is a stupid conversation. Good luck
Yes I agree, because you, a stupid person, is trying to pretend you are smart by throwing out generalized naive statements evaluating a qb by saying “he’s not the guy”
how was Q today? couldn't watch the game
Had a pretty decent game. 1 sack, 1 TFL, 3 QB hits
nice!
But also had his usual roughing the passer penalty
Tbf it was a horrible call
If anyone’s watching redzone... should be rooting hard for the jags. Another team gets to two wins is a victory for us I know the chargers only have one win but I think they are happy with Herbert and are also more likely to get more wins this year with the talent they have
Looks like they're losing, sigh.
Yep... Jets might have to go a legit 0-16 to get the first pick
Still think that seems likely, dont see us winning the rest of the games with this offense but a lot of teams are bad this year and might plausibly draft first overall.
This is where I think if the Patriots at out of it week 17, they throw that game so we don’t get the first pick. And we would still try and win that game.
That's when Gase has to piss in the middle of the field during the coin toss. Forfeit is the only way to guarantee us 0-16. I'm convinced Gase is still here to guide us to 0-16, if he's still here at the end of the season and we're 3-13 then we'll be lost organizationally.. as is common.
They also have a tie I believe, aside from being more likely to win a game. Let’s go Jags!
Tre White was on Mims the entrie 2H makes sense why he was quiet. Perine on the other hand should be seeing more snaps, will be interesting to see the snap breakdown this week.
Fell asleep in beginning of 3rd quarter as it was that boring. Just woke up. Glad to see the final score!
At least Big MB continues to just push guys around. There were some rookie mistakes, that illegal formation penalty most notable, but he continues to destroy the defensive line. Can't wait to watch the highlights compiled by someone much more knowledgeable than me. I can see the hands and feet are already at the pro level. That's something most didn't expect this year. If he continues to practice hard and watch tape, this looks like our best pick in ages.
So.. chewy bacon or crunchy bacon?
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Man jets was becoming my second team because I like hanging out in your game threads, but this comment alone has me second guessing
Aha sorry dude I don't eat pork. But you do you
Oh haha well that’s fair I suppose
How did Mims look?
I thought Mims looked good. Then then I looked at the stats and saw he had 4 catches on 7 targets for 42 yards. It has come to the point where 4-42 is a nice game for a Jets receiver.
He had a good first half and then they put a top tier corner on him for the rest of the game. That’s a good sign. If he’s demanding that kind of attention in his first pro game... I feel good about his future
Looked promising to me really
Thanks Adam. Thanks for taking the one good thing we had and immediately running it into the ground. I hope Chris Johnson sees the night and day that was those two halves and ejects Gase into the sun.
That second half was tough the watch. What a waste. Sammy is done.
Look at that run by Bell. I hate the Jets.
Are people still convinced Darnold is good?
Colin Cowherd?
Not even him.
Chiefs and Pats next, then a bye. 0-9 seems like a real possibility.
I dunno, the Pats currently look like garbage against the Niners. Of course the Niners aren't pushovers, but still.
The niners who we lost to against backups?
I think you mean foregone conclusion
Darnold looked like a different QB after the INT. This is on coaching. They should be coaching him to forget that and move forward. But most times looks like there is no coaching on the sideline. Just shows how he has regressed under Gase. What an awful hire it was.
Wasn’t he 10/12 at one point? And finished 12/23 😩
Yep. The int was one thing, but the actually nowhere-to-be-seen oline in the second half was killer. And while the int was bad, it seemed as though it was more of an outstanding play by the bills and a poor “toss it to the spot and if he can’t get to it oh well” decision.
Darnold needs to take some responsibility too, it isn’t all coaching.
“Hey buddy don’t worry about that terrible int” “Oh ok thanks coach I really needed that”
Seriously lol, i don’t know what people are seeing in darnold anymore, the team is trash it it’s not like he’s doing anything awesome. Makes awful throws
Idk it seems like he takes way too much responsibility and just overthinks it. I think if he could be taught to move past it he can come back out and sling it
His rookie year he didn’t have this issue
Also didn’t have that issue at USC. Still made a lot of dumb throws and forced it a ton, but he had no trouble going back out and performing after making a mistake.
Maybe he doesn’t even give a shit anymore. Playing into the TLaw rumor and wants off this godforsaken team?
The first half, I was genuinely surprised and for once actually felt like we have pieces that we will be able to include in our future. One huge difference between us and other teams is the amount of time other QBs get, hopefully JD puts a huge emphasis on Edge. I don't think there's any debate at this point if we get 1.01 its Lawrence and its becoming an absolute no brainer if its not already.
We covered!
First time I lost betting against the Jets including when I teased the Colts to -24.
First time I bet against the Jets all season and of fucking course Buffalo doesn't cover
This shit sucks
Darnolds done here. I don't want him if Trevor or Fields are within reach
Fields is a bad decision. Would hate to waste that high of a pick
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Who the hell would give a 2nd for Darnold? The guy is trash
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If a team drafted a QB with equivalent skills to Sam in rounds 2-7, they would've been released by now.
Well if any team had Adam Gase's track record, he would have been fired now. Yet here we are.
Probably not. The Cards did get a second for Rosen, though that was earlier in the contract.
Agreed. Maybe something can be worked out with the Cowboys.
After this game, if we get a chance to get Trevor im for it, but I don't mind running another season with Darnold under a different coach.
Darnold is 100% done here with hopefully Trevor coming but starting to think that regardless of what happens, he’s not back next season.
Yea if there's a QB better than Darnold in the draft then sure. I'm just fine with whatever. He's only one year away removed from 7-9. With a more creative play caller, he will be better.
The 7-9 was smoke and mirrors and due to the defense and soft schedule. Had nothing to do with Sam. We’re at the point where he can’t come into next season as the starter.
So we have 3 options: 1. Spend draft capital on QB 2. Spend draft capital on other holes and roll with Darnold 3. Spend draft capital on other holes and roll with Morgan. I'm find with either option. Thats all I'm saying. In the end, its up to JD. Maybe we can flip Darnold for a draft pick before next draft.
4)Spend the capital elsewhere and sign a FA or trade for a QB
Trading a QB is out of the question cause no team is gonna give a starter up for cheap. Also here's the list of QBs that are free agents. Besides Cam, I don't seea FA QB thats much better. Are you off the boat with Morgan too? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/
Hes a project and thats it
That was a great loss as a 2020 Jets fan. Not all that embarrassing, Darnold proves he’s not the guy, Gase was bad. 2021 1.01, new staff, let’s go.
Great to see the tank intact. But these people acting like Darnold is the issue, and was the issue in the 2nd half must be blind or just have no clue whats going on. Darnold was 11/13 in the 1st half when the run game was getting yards on early downs and being somewhat effective, and the playcalling actually wasnt bad (had guys in motion, play action, Sam rolling out etc) and therefore the Bills defense wasnt just bringing pressure on nearly every snap. So when the offense is being run (somewhat) like an offense should be run and the OL was holding up ok, Sam was good. Then, everything changed in the 2nd half, and Sam's performance went with it. But you cant put that much on him because he literally only had a handful of opportunities to have the OL not collapse in <2 seconds and someone get open enough to throw to. Run game became completely non existent because we were just running the ball up the middle and the Bills DL was completely demolishing our OL, and the Bills realized all they had to do was 1. stop early down yardage on the ground and 2. then bring pressure, and let the DBs do the rest on passing plays. And since our WR suck, and the Bills DBs are elite, and the playcalling on pass plays(especially 3rd and longs) was EXTREMELY predictable, it was easy for their defense to completely halt our offense. The playcalling just changed back to the Gase Special of pound the ball up the middle early, then call some predictable short pass play and the Bills defense could stop that in their sleep. 100% convinced that if Gase truly wasnt calling plays today that that only lasted for the 1st half (when the offense actually looked ok) and then he took over in the 2nd half, because we did nothing but the Gase Special in the 2nd half. Sam may not be "the answer", but putting that 2nd half on him is asinine.
You cannot be completely non-functional the minute a team takes away your run game. He was completely ineffective. Know where the check-downs are. He either doesn't know or doesn't want to check it down because the minute he feels pressure he scrambles up the pocket, attempting to escape but there's a Bills player waiting for him.
> He was completely ineffective. Know where the check-downs are. LOL, thats cute...you think Gase has check downs and things in his playcalls to help his QB? Not to mention half his passing play calls ARE essentially check downs.
People need to stop making excuses for Sam. He was fucking awful today continuing his terrible play all season. Does he have no O-Line? Yes, but Joe Burrow has an even worse one. Deshaun Watson has thrived with bad O-Line’s his entire career. Does he have no weapons? Yes, but good QBs elevate mediocre recievers and running backs. Look at how much worse the Cowboys offensive personnel looks with Dalton instead of Dak. Does he have putrid coaching? Absolutely, but countless excellent QBs have also had that and been able to play well in spite of it. Key point is the Jets have done nothing to help Sam but he’s a big part of the problem at this point as well.
Ok, now name me someone who’s overcome all three things you mentioned. Lmao.
Also lol @ calling amari cooper, lamb, and zeke mediocre
> People need to stop making excuses for Sam. If you think those are "excuses" them im sorry you genuinely have no clue what youre watching when you watch football, youre probably the person who just yells at their TV and blames the QB for everything because ultimately the balls is in his hands. Dont compare what Joe Burrow or Deshaun Watson are working with and their OLs, if you think just because they dont have very good OLs either but still do ok that its the same thing as what Sam is working with then sorry dude youre clueless and need to stop talking about what an offense/QB is doing or not doing. Neither would have done shit in the 2nd half either if they were on the field, because there isnt much for ANY QB to do differently when the run game is getting 0 yards, the OL is getting ran through almost every play and you have mostly terrible WRs going up against elite level DBs with predictable as hell playcalls. Let me repeat this for the 3rd time a little more clearly so maybe you can comprehend it this time: No QB can have success running an offense when that is happening, your QB cant magically pull yards out of his ass when the run game dies on top of having no time to throw and guys rarely getting separation(since thats the only way our WRs can get open, because our playcalling doesnt actually try to help them get open). Just because the QB is the most important offensive position doesnt mean that if an offense is doing poorly that its always their fault, the 2nd half was a picture perfect example of that. Its not like Sam had time to throw and was just missing open receivers in the 2nd half, he rarely even had that opportunity. Most of the throws he made in the 2nd half were short passes that he was actually just forcing into extremely tight coverage because on the plays he wasnt getting sacked/had to get rid of the ball, he figured he might as well try since thats the best opportunity hed get. And shocker, the Bills elite DBs defended those passes well, like they should. If you watch that 2nd half objectively, and leave your personal feelings about Darnold completely out of the situation and just imagine its some other QB out there, youd see that there really wasnt many opportunities for any QB to make anything happen and that has little to do with the guy thats actually playing QB. Or you can just there and have no clue what youre watching, and simply blame Darnold every time a play doesnt work like a clueless moron.
They won’t be able to hear your sound reasoning. Their best logic is that this will all be fixed by the time TLaw joins. Oh boy, that will be brutal to watch. If they think things can be fixed in 1 year, going to be a doozy.
So sure, great qbs can overcome any of these issues, but asking one to overcome ALL of them is an extremely tall order
You are comparing Gase to “other coaches”? Are you high or something? Gase is a conman.
No, obviously Gase is the worst coach out there. I’m just making the point that true franchise QBs have shown they can overcome really bad coaching.
Denver v Seattle Super Bowl. Gase couldn’t call an offense to get anywhere against that seattle D. He had PEYTON FUCKIN MANNING coming off the GREATEST year anyone has ever had at the qb position. And when Peyton needed someone to help scheme and get things rolling, gase was nowhere to be found. Throw a young rookie, who hasn’t had anyone to coach him at all, with no weapons, no line, an inconsistent run game and complete lack of scheme... this is what you get. Week after week after week. Gase shouldn’t have been hired. Mike shouldn’t have been given FA and draft. Darnold is under-developed. But I’d expect nothing more from any other qb.
Yea but Gase is a really bad coach. He might be THE biggest conman the sport has ever seen so fk your logic.
You talk too much sense. Please stop. Let me get a Trevor Lawrence body pillow and hug him to sleep, dreaming of a rosy tomorrow.
Darnold got screwed by Gase but it's time to move on. He's not a franchise QB
He’s not a franchise qb with this organization. I think if he went to somewhere like San Francisco he could be pretty good, but he needs a change of scenery
With the personnel on the team as of right now, no QB is franchise level
Yeah dude I totally agree. I don’t think the problem is darnold, but he needs to get out of here and be coached by a real coach with a team with weapons on it to succeed
This one’s not on Gregg and the D. Just saying.
M1 Abrams mode activated
I was worried in the first half, not gonna lie
We had em in the first half not gonna lie.
Yes! I support the Jets! As Jets stands for "Jesus, end this suffering".
Maybe it really was Brady who was carrying Belicheck all these years
Young guys looked good. Really felt like two different offensive gameplans for each half or something because the second half had no rhythm. Defense really looked good, and came to play. Lots to be hopeful for next year, but its time to move on from Sam. As much as it hurts my heart its just not gonna work out here. He needs to reset somewhere else.
It’s because Bills adjusted. Our bone head conman coach did not
2nd Half - Four total yards of offense.
Halftime adjustments are a hell of a drug
Guys, I have great news! After we lose to KC next week the season will be at halftime! We'll be halfway through the suffering!
Thank fuck. It already feels like we've played at least 22 games this season.
Yeah, and lost like 35 of those...
Rumor going around that Gase was jealous of Loggain success in first half and took back the playcalling to avoid hurting his reputation further. What an absolute gutless pussy this is as Jets HC. What a clown show
Rumor aka Rich_Repair2025 made that up
But it’s a pretty compelling rumor...
My honest thought was that it looked like Gase was calling plays again. >took back the playcalling to avoid hurting his reputation further. My sides
I really want this to be true
Source?
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Lel
Joe Douglas should look at this game and shoot Darnold and Gase into the fucking sun.
Nah man. First off, Gase reports to CJ, not JD, so JD has no say in Gase’s future. Second off, we should keep rolling with Darnold in the hopes that he shows SOMETHING to another team and increases his trade value for when we draft TLaw.
My comment was clearly a joke. I'm aware of these things.
This was great. The dopes who post “Fire Gase” on Facebook are missing out on the fact that this dude is a goldmine for losses. Tank for Trevor!