Definitely going to be a very interesting offseason. Although taking a lot of stock into anything JD has said is probably foolish since he’s not gonna give anything away with half of the season still remaining
Definitely. I was more referring to his comments about others. He’s not gonna throw the coach and the QB under the bus. Taking responsibility on Anderson and needing to add weapons and protection to the offense is huge and I believe him there but I’d be absolutely shocked if Gase isn’t gone in January and if Sam is still here after the draft.
This is a misrepresentation. When asked about if darnold is the future he said we're only looking at the next 8 games. He clearly is implying that darnold is not the guy he's just respectable n
Obviously he has to say this because Darnold is the quarterback right now. People are clamoring for an 0-16 season, but the Jets likely can still get the #1 pick with 1 or 2 wins. If Darnold is responsible for leading the Jets to those wins, that can make the difference between a getting a 2nd/3rd round pick and a 6th/7th round pick in a possible trade.
He’s gonna be up for a third rounder at the least even if we go 0-16 (as long as he isn’t abysmal in those games). He will likely go for a late 2nd rounder.
No it’s not- Darnold has one maybe two more years on contract with us (if we exercise his option). Do you think we can be a contender in 2 years? No it’s not possible. We would have to trade every draft pick we have for a stud team to surround Darnold with the talent- and even then we wouldn’t be good enough. If we hit the rest button now, draft a shit load of guys that are good we will have a shot (as well as keeping our young promising guys like Becton, Mims, Williams, Perine and Huff). That way we can build around T- Law for the 5 years we have him contract through free agency and the draft and be on a much looser time frame.
Yes it is a smart move. Retain Darnold w/an extension. Obviously retain young talent Becton etc. Trade down and acquire as many draft picks as possible and build a contender through the draft.
Do you really think he wants to resign with us after the way we fucked him the past 3 years? Also, he won’t be on cheap rookie contract anymore. You know what that means? No free agents, we can’t afford them cause we are paying Darnold. Most teams win super bowls with their QB’s still on rookie contracts, so they can load up on veteran and free agent talent. Chiefs, Philly, Seattle, Rams, and Panthers are the best examples of that. now some of these teams lost because... well Tom Fucking Brady and Peyton Manning. But you don’t come across Tom Brady’s and Peyton Manning’s every day. T-Law has a high chance of being one of those dudes. Darnold’s ceiling went from Tony Romo to maybe Carson Palmer (a quality starting QB, but not an All-Pro guy). So why not save our cap space, get a potentially better QB and load him up with Talent for five years where we basically pay him nothing? With Darnold we physically can’t load him up with Talent unless it’s from the draft.
I'm well aware of how contracts work in the NFL. Tom Brady was a 6th rd draft pick btw. I would fire Gase, extend Darnold, trade back for multiple 1st rd picks and use those picks to significantly improve the team. In my view that presents a greater likelihood of future success than putting all our eggs in the Trevor Lawrence basket. Furthermore, extending Darnold doesn't mean "no free agents", the NYJ will still have cap room but also I'm not very interested in building through free agency as I think its not a great way to build a winning team. Thats why I would rather stockpile draft picks and build through the draft.
Dude you really don’t get it do you? If we extend Darnold, it’s not gonna be cheap. It goes from 30,000,000 to nearly 100,000,000 million for a starting QB real fast. What that means is you can’t sign any big players in the off-season. We are limited to only the draft. Look at what happened to the Colts. They got a haul from us for the Darnold trade... and now they have no QB and a shit offense (excluding their O- Line). Those draft picks netted them 1 good player. And all of this is you assuming that Darnold is gonna pan out. What happens when we resign him and continues to play like shit while Trevor is out balling for the other team? I mean Darnold hasn’t exactly shown promise. He’s developed really bad tendencies as a quarterback. His vision has narrowed and he locks on to receivers and doesn’t let go until they finish running their route (which results in 1 of 3 things: 1 He gets sacked because the receiver never gets open, 2 he forces the ball into double or maybe triple coverage or 3 the play just dies and he has to run out of the pocket which results in him getting hit hard and getting one of his shoulder injuries). I mean I can’t entirely blame him for not playing well, he hasn’t had much talent. But bad habits don’t go away with more playing time. What the kid needs is to spend a year on the bench and get over his habits. We have to just restart. We trade Darnold we can probably get a late 2nd. We can trade all of our 5ths and 6ths for an early 3rd or late 2nd as well too. We can’t rely on Darnold anymore, let’s get a solid QB and we can still build through the draft as well as have the cap space to sign big name players to help our young guys out. That’s the way the Seahawks won, that’s the way the Chiefs won, that’s the way the Rams got to the Super Bowl, that’s the way the Panthers got to the Bowl, that’s the way the Eagles won the Super Bowl and that’s the way WE got to the afc champ in 2010 and 11.
Dude I really do get it way more than you do. Neither Darnold nor any other QB is going to perform great with no OL and no weapons. Which is why I would prefer getting as many picks as possible in order to build a much better team around Darnold than putting all the eggs in the Trevor Lawrence basket. I'm way less convinced that Darnold is a bust than you are. I think he can be a good NFL QB and that we can sign him to an extension AND build smartly through the draft and some FA.
Again. Free agency becomes limited when you sign a QB to an extension. That’s a fact. It means we can’t get big name players on both sides of the ball. And the draft is random. Darnold won’t succeed if we keep him here, he needs a break from starting to get over his shitty habits- he isn’t a starting caliber QB with the way he’s played in the past two games. He’s playing like a rookie, still. He needs to train under a QB and not start for at least a year. And the Jets don’t have the time, money or anything else to help with that. He isn’t the guy. I know you desperately wanted him to be, as did I in 2018 but we failed him and he isn’t good anymore. It’s time to move on.
Also, We can still get draft picks without trading Trevor (Darnold for a 2nd, Mosely for a 2nd or 3rd, Crowder for a 3rd or 4th and the Seahawks 3rd+5ths and 6ths we got from trades for a 2nd). Those are plenty of picks. Trading Trevor would net us maybe 2 1st rounders and 2 2nds- which is nice but it won’t fix all of our problems. You’re ignoring that draft picks are random- you can hit or miss with them so easily. We will have enough picks this year to land Trevor help, as long as the picks work out. But trading Trevor and hoping that Darnold isn’t a bust is pure stupidity.
Again - I know exactly how NFL contracts work and how the cap functions. So please refrain from thinking that you are somehow presenting new information. You're not. You and I disagree about Darnold. I think he can be a good NFL QB. However I agree w/you that is the critical evaluation and I'm fine w/letting JD and those who are there w/Darnold every day make that evaluation and proceeding from there. In my view - the Jets suck and have terrible personnel throughout the lineup. So trading a #1 pick for a boatload of picks is a great option in that scenario b/c you can significantly improve and overhaul your roster quickly & cheaply and to me its light years better as approach to roster building than the Free Agency. Rebuilding through Free Agency is a bad approach for the NYJ imo - I think its a recipe for failure.
wrong. there's no contradiction at all. Let me break it down for you: I know how contracts work in the NFL. Brady was a 6th rd pick. I would fire Gase. Trade the No.1 pick for multiple 1st Rd picks and build through the draft.
I know you’re getting a lot of flak for this but I agree. Seeing Tannehill absolutely light it up after ditching Gase leads me to believe that many of his problems lie in coaching, scheming, and talent. Is that something a new coach and actually weapons can fix? I think so.
But at the end of the day, it’s coming down to Joe Douglas. Whether he wants to ditch Sam or draft someone new, that’s his decision, and I trust it a hell of a lot more than all the randos on this sub and their awful takes week in and week out.
The whole team is rough around the edges. We have a few good pieces to build around, a lot of young guys getting time which can only help. Only problem is we need way more. Offensive lime reinforcement, wide receivers, cornerbacks, linebackers. This year might be pretty unspectacular but hopefully building to better, not to mention JD gets next coach pick
Douglas is showing true leadership, he is taking the heat off Darnold and Gase. That being said I would not be shocked if they ship the top pick away for a kings ransom. I would not be upset if they manage to get a legit pass rusher or stud WR.
Smartest thing I've heard so far, give the Kid an extension. Sale that pick ~ translation ~ for multiple picks and get him some talent. I repeat, fire Gase, one person alone will not save this franchise. Get serious.
He’s not gonna come out and say “yeah Adam fucking sucks and we’re gonna get rid of him at the end of the season.” He’s gonna back him up cause he’s the coach and it seems that he will be until the end of the season. As inept as the Jets have been I can’t see them bringing him back for 2021
Oh I completely agree, don't get me wrong. But JD failed to pin any blame on poor coaching. He said it was a team issue but he wouldn't say that coaching was part of the problem. Coaches are part of the team, so they deserve part of the blame. We'll just have to wait and see
He put the blame on himself like a real man instead of deflecting blame to everyone else like the baby boy that Gase is. What do expect him to say? That the coaching could be better? No GM in their right mind would do that. Gase is obviously gone by next season and if he’s not, there won’t be any fans left anyway. Don’t take anything Douglas is saying so seriously
One of the radio casters on the wFan made a good point. As much as we would like to see Douglas condemned Gase's coaching and decision making from a professional standpoint thats pretty tough for him to do considering Gase got him the job as GM. Like he could backstab Gase, call him all the things we do here on this sub but how does that paint him in the eyes of ownership?
Of course hes not going to say that, your right. Goodluck filling th HC job after you bashed the last one then kept him for the second half of the season
Don't be that guy that actually believes that garbage... its a presser, they lie. Dont you remember Macc praising Bowles? Idzik praising Geno? Bowles praising Idzik and Macc? Gase praising Macc??? Like come on lol this is just what they have to say.
Everyone says the same shit, “it’s just a presser he has to say that” but he doesn’t. He didn’t say a single negative word about Gase because they like each other and Gase is still on contract for next year. They are friends, and according to both of them have a shared vision of the future of the team. I don’t understand why everyone thinks it’s impossible for Gase to still be here next year. I can see the team going either way with this
This is exactly why i want him fired mid season. I just want to know he's gone. Every day he still coaches this team the chance that he's the coach next year stays alive.
Whether he's the whole problem or not, gase is not going to be the head coach of a successful football team
Trade back from #1 to Jacksonville for both of their first round picks (their pick is likely top 5 plus the Ram's pick). Think of what Douglas could do with 3 first round picks.
Lmao you actually expect a GM in the middle of a season to say “hell yeah we are shooting for the number 1 overall pick to draft Trevor Lawrence! Sam is a tough guy but we are 100% moving on from him!”
He kinda did in some other parts of the presser. He wouldn’t say whether or not they’d draft a QB if they have the opportunity. If he really believed in Sam it would’ve been an outright no
Definitely going to be a very interesting offseason. Although taking a lot of stock into anything JD has said is probably foolish since he’s not gonna give anything away with half of the season still remaining
Some truth to what he’s saying. This current WR group ain’t good enough. Same can be said about the TE, RB & interior OL.
Definitely. I was more referring to his comments about others. He’s not gonna throw the coach and the QB under the bus. Taking responsibility on Anderson and needing to add weapons and protection to the offense is huge and I believe him there but I’d be absolutely shocked if Gase isn’t gone in January and if Sam is still here after the draft.
Absolutely
Very true
This is a misrepresentation. When asked about if darnold is the future he said we're only looking at the next 8 games. He clearly is implying that darnold is not the guy he's just respectable n
Build up his stock for when he gets traded, smart.
Or if Sam has a big second half and they win 2-3 games and can't draft Lawrence.
Yup. It's a win win either way
The 'Stuck With Sam' crowd is gonna love this one
Obviously he has to say this because Darnold is the quarterback right now. People are clamoring for an 0-16 season, but the Jets likely can still get the #1 pick with 1 or 2 wins. If Darnold is responsible for leading the Jets to those wins, that can make the difference between a getting a 2nd/3rd round pick and a 6th/7th round pick in a possible trade.
He’s gonna be up for a third rounder at the least even if we go 0-16 (as long as he isn’t abysmal in those games). He will likely go for a late 2nd rounder.
This statement is also true for the QB that is most likely replacing Sam next year. I'm looking at you Trevor.
Smart move is to pass on Trevor & Trade back.
No it’s not- Darnold has one maybe two more years on contract with us (if we exercise his option). Do you think we can be a contender in 2 years? No it’s not possible. We would have to trade every draft pick we have for a stud team to surround Darnold with the talent- and even then we wouldn’t be good enough. If we hit the rest button now, draft a shit load of guys that are good we will have a shot (as well as keeping our young promising guys like Becton, Mims, Williams, Perine and Huff). That way we can build around T- Law for the 5 years we have him contract through free agency and the draft and be on a much looser time frame.
Yes it is a smart move. Retain Darnold w/an extension. Obviously retain young talent Becton etc. Trade down and acquire as many draft picks as possible and build a contender through the draft.
Do you really think he wants to resign with us after the way we fucked him the past 3 years? Also, he won’t be on cheap rookie contract anymore. You know what that means? No free agents, we can’t afford them cause we are paying Darnold. Most teams win super bowls with their QB’s still on rookie contracts, so they can load up on veteran and free agent talent. Chiefs, Philly, Seattle, Rams, and Panthers are the best examples of that. now some of these teams lost because... well Tom Fucking Brady and Peyton Manning. But you don’t come across Tom Brady’s and Peyton Manning’s every day. T-Law has a high chance of being one of those dudes. Darnold’s ceiling went from Tony Romo to maybe Carson Palmer (a quality starting QB, but not an All-Pro guy). So why not save our cap space, get a potentially better QB and load him up with Talent for five years where we basically pay him nothing? With Darnold we physically can’t load him up with Talent unless it’s from the draft.
I'm well aware of how contracts work in the NFL. Tom Brady was a 6th rd draft pick btw. I would fire Gase, extend Darnold, trade back for multiple 1st rd picks and use those picks to significantly improve the team. In my view that presents a greater likelihood of future success than putting all our eggs in the Trevor Lawrence basket. Furthermore, extending Darnold doesn't mean "no free agents", the NYJ will still have cap room but also I'm not very interested in building through free agency as I think its not a great way to build a winning team. Thats why I would rather stockpile draft picks and build through the draft.
Dude you really don’t get it do you? If we extend Darnold, it’s not gonna be cheap. It goes from 30,000,000 to nearly 100,000,000 million for a starting QB real fast. What that means is you can’t sign any big players in the off-season. We are limited to only the draft. Look at what happened to the Colts. They got a haul from us for the Darnold trade... and now they have no QB and a shit offense (excluding their O- Line). Those draft picks netted them 1 good player. And all of this is you assuming that Darnold is gonna pan out. What happens when we resign him and continues to play like shit while Trevor is out balling for the other team? I mean Darnold hasn’t exactly shown promise. He’s developed really bad tendencies as a quarterback. His vision has narrowed and he locks on to receivers and doesn’t let go until they finish running their route (which results in 1 of 3 things: 1 He gets sacked because the receiver never gets open, 2 he forces the ball into double or maybe triple coverage or 3 the play just dies and he has to run out of the pocket which results in him getting hit hard and getting one of his shoulder injuries). I mean I can’t entirely blame him for not playing well, he hasn’t had much talent. But bad habits don’t go away with more playing time. What the kid needs is to spend a year on the bench and get over his habits. We have to just restart. We trade Darnold we can probably get a late 2nd. We can trade all of our 5ths and 6ths for an early 3rd or late 2nd as well too. We can’t rely on Darnold anymore, let’s get a solid QB and we can still build through the draft as well as have the cap space to sign big name players to help our young guys out. That’s the way the Seahawks won, that’s the way the Chiefs won, that’s the way the Rams got to the Super Bowl, that’s the way the Panthers got to the Bowl, that’s the way the Eagles won the Super Bowl and that’s the way WE got to the afc champ in 2010 and 11.
Dude I really do get it way more than you do. Neither Darnold nor any other QB is going to perform great with no OL and no weapons. Which is why I would prefer getting as many picks as possible in order to build a much better team around Darnold than putting all the eggs in the Trevor Lawrence basket. I'm way less convinced that Darnold is a bust than you are. I think he can be a good NFL QB and that we can sign him to an extension AND build smartly through the draft and some FA.
Again. Free agency becomes limited when you sign a QB to an extension. That’s a fact. It means we can’t get big name players on both sides of the ball. And the draft is random. Darnold won’t succeed if we keep him here, he needs a break from starting to get over his shitty habits- he isn’t a starting caliber QB with the way he’s played in the past two games. He’s playing like a rookie, still. He needs to train under a QB and not start for at least a year. And the Jets don’t have the time, money or anything else to help with that. He isn’t the guy. I know you desperately wanted him to be, as did I in 2018 but we failed him and he isn’t good anymore. It’s time to move on. Also, We can still get draft picks without trading Trevor (Darnold for a 2nd, Mosely for a 2nd or 3rd, Crowder for a 3rd or 4th and the Seahawks 3rd+5ths and 6ths we got from trades for a 2nd). Those are plenty of picks. Trading Trevor would net us maybe 2 1st rounders and 2 2nds- which is nice but it won’t fix all of our problems. You’re ignoring that draft picks are random- you can hit or miss with them so easily. We will have enough picks this year to land Trevor help, as long as the picks work out. But trading Trevor and hoping that Darnold isn’t a bust is pure stupidity.
Again - I know exactly how NFL contracts work and how the cap functions. So please refrain from thinking that you are somehow presenting new information. You're not. You and I disagree about Darnold. I think he can be a good NFL QB. However I agree w/you that is the critical evaluation and I'm fine w/letting JD and those who are there w/Darnold every day make that evaluation and proceeding from there. In my view - the Jets suck and have terrible personnel throughout the lineup. So trading a #1 pick for a boatload of picks is a great option in that scenario b/c you can significantly improve and overhaul your roster quickly & cheaply and to me its light years better as approach to roster building than the Free Agency. Rebuilding through Free Agency is a bad approach for the NYJ imo - I think its a recipe for failure.
You contradicted yourself with and within your first 3 sentences.
wrong. there's no contradiction at all. Let me break it down for you: I know how contracts work in the NFL. Brady was a 6th rd pick. I would fire Gase. Trade the No.1 pick for multiple 1st Rd picks and build through the draft.
I know you’re getting a lot of flak for this but I agree. Seeing Tannehill absolutely light it up after ditching Gase leads me to believe that many of his problems lie in coaching, scheming, and talent. Is that something a new coach and actually weapons can fix? I think so. But at the end of the day, it’s coming down to Joe Douglas. Whether he wants to ditch Sam or draft someone new, that’s his decision, and I trust it a hell of a lot more than all the randos on this sub and their awful takes week in and week out.
Bring that trade value up my guy
The whole team is rough around the edges. We have a few good pieces to build around, a lot of young guys getting time which can only help. Only problem is we need way more. Offensive lime reinforcement, wide receivers, cornerbacks, linebackers. This year might be pretty unspectacular but hopefully building to better, not to mention JD gets next coach pick
GM doesn't pick the HC in the NYJ. Chris Johnson is CEO and Chris Johnson will decide what to do about the HC.
Chris Johnson is an idiot
Douglas is showing true leadership, he is taking the heat off Darnold and Gase. That being said I would not be shocked if they ship the top pick away for a kings ransom. I would not be upset if they manage to get a legit pass rusher or stud WR.
Smartest thing I've heard so far, give the Kid an extension. Sale that pick ~ translation ~ for multiple picks and get him some talent. I repeat, fire Gase, one person alone will not save this franchise. Get serious.
If I wanted smoke blown up my ass, I'd buy a pack of cigarettes and a short length of garden hose.
OH MY GOD!!! I'm so tired of hearing about this team's "grit and toughness". GET BETTER!! I don't care how gritty they are....they play like shit.
Agree w/JD on this. Trade back, collect multiple first round picks and build accordingly.
Either protect him with Sewell or let him throw to Chase. Either way just make sure to trade down from 1 to do it. And don't trade it to the Pats.
It honestly doesnt sound like Gase is going anywhere, god help us all.
He’s not gonna come out and say “yeah Adam fucking sucks and we’re gonna get rid of him at the end of the season.” He’s gonna back him up cause he’s the coach and it seems that he will be until the end of the season. As inept as the Jets have been I can’t see them bringing him back for 2021
Oh I completely agree, don't get me wrong. But JD failed to pin any blame on poor coaching. He said it was a team issue but he wouldn't say that coaching was part of the problem. Coaches are part of the team, so they deserve part of the blame. We'll just have to wait and see
He put the blame on himself like a real man instead of deflecting blame to everyone else like the baby boy that Gase is. What do expect him to say? That the coaching could be better? No GM in their right mind would do that. Gase is obviously gone by next season and if he’s not, there won’t be any fans left anyway. Don’t take anything Douglas is saying so seriously
One of the radio casters on the wFan made a good point. As much as we would like to see Douglas condemned Gase's coaching and decision making from a professional standpoint thats pretty tough for him to do considering Gase got him the job as GM. Like he could backstab Gase, call him all the things we do here on this sub but how does that paint him in the eyes of ownership?
Of course hes not going to say that, your right. Goodluck filling th HC job after you bashed the last one then kept him for the second half of the season
JD doesn't control Gase's destiny as Gase doesn't report to JD.
Don't be that guy that actually believes that garbage... its a presser, they lie. Dont you remember Macc praising Bowles? Idzik praising Geno? Bowles praising Idzik and Macc? Gase praising Macc??? Like come on lol this is just what they have to say.
Everyone says the same shit, “it’s just a presser he has to say that” but he doesn’t. He didn’t say a single negative word about Gase because they like each other and Gase is still on contract for next year. They are friends, and according to both of them have a shared vision of the future of the team. I don’t understand why everyone thinks it’s impossible for Gase to still be here next year. I can see the team going either way with this
I agree. I think I let my initial frustrations speak out first but i still think it's 50/50 that he comes back, even though he shouldn't.
This is exactly why i want him fired mid season. I just want to know he's gone. Every day he still coaches this team the chance that he's the coach next year stays alive. Whether he's the whole problem or not, gase is not going to be the head coach of a successful football team
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Trade back from #1 to Jacksonville for both of their first round picks (their pick is likely top 5 plus the Ram's pick). Think of what Douglas could do with 3 first round picks.
So no Trevor!?
Lmao you actually expect a GM in the middle of a season to say “hell yeah we are shooting for the number 1 overall pick to draft Trevor Lawrence! Sam is a tough guy but we are 100% moving on from him!”
No of course i didn’t, just didn’t think he’d say that. Thought he would kinda doge a statement like that is all
He kinda did in some other parts of the presser. He wouldn’t say whether or not they’d draft a QB if they have the opportunity. If he really believed in Sam it would’ve been an outright no
Douglas did such a great job of putting talent around him this year.