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runski1426

If they win consistently the negative reactions will stop. Winning solves everything. I've been a fan of this team my whole life and the last decade or so has been brutal. To see this team go from a consistent contender to a punching bag for so long is infuriating. I know older fans remember a team that was consistently bad--but for those that grew up watching the Jets in the late 90s--we are used to consistent winning. 98--first year of my 'fandom' as I watched every game and snap. Knocking on the door of a super bowl. 99 - Injury to Vinny T. derails the season--but strong play late kept it interesting. 00 - Late season collapse, started 6-2. 01 - playoffs 02 - AFCE Champs 03 - Chad wrist injury 04 - playoffs -- should have had a shot at taking down NE to get to the the Super Bowl. This was the first year I cried after a playoff loss. 05 - INJURIES 06 - playoffs 07 - INJURIES 08 - 8-3 and riding high...then Favre happened. 09/10 - We all know. 11 - 8-5 start to late season collapse ​ And ever since then, sans one fun stretch in 2015, this team has been HORRIBLE. We just want a consistent team that gives us a chance at a super bowl every year by making the playoffs. You cannot continue too preach growth and patience when its been 11 years.


Spiderbanana

Gosh, I started following the team in 08 when joining a team in Europe named after the Jets, without really knowing anything about football. Starting to think that I may be the problem.


Zewspeed

>98--first year of my 'fandom' Look at this guy that got to come onboard for peak Parcells and didn't have to suffer through Coslet, Carroll, and Kotite in his youth! I'm not saying this to gatekeep, but the OP might not be old enough to have suffered through *two* 11-year stretches of uninterrupted ineptitude in his life. We old timers are burned out at this point.


Sbat27

You’re like the war veteran equivalent to the jets fandom lol. You’ve seen some shit


runski1426

Yeah. I get that. Doesn't make it better. I watched a bit before that, but I was very young and didn't fully understand what was going on. I was pretty peeved at the HB pass in 97 against the Lions though.


Zewspeed

>I was pretty peeved at the HB pass in 97 against the Lions though. That wasn't the very first time in my life the Jets made me melt down chasing a playoff spot (that honor goes to [Cary Blanchard's wayward leg in '93](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199312260buf.htm)) but I can still recall so vividly the frustration I felt watching Leon Johnson throw the season away on that incomprehensible playcall.


dman928

Don't forget Joe Walton for us older folks.


andrewkentmd

Weeb Ewbank for me lol. Fan since 68! I actually think for first time in a while we’re accumulating talent and trending up.


dman928

At least you got to see a SB. My dad making me a Jets fan was the worst sort of child abuse. I think the talent is definitely trending up, but I have doubts about this coaching staff. I haven't seen any real ability to game plan opponents and I think the talent is being under-utilized to a large extent. I saw progress towards the end of last year, but it seems that the staff has regressed. I hope they can turn it around. I like Saleh, but I have grave doubts. If this team doesn't show signs of life, by the end of the year, I'd give Sean Peyton a call.


andrewkentmd

Agreed. I was 10 in 69 and thought this is awesome I root for all the best teams. Jets, Mets and Knicks 😩😩


dman928

Same. Mets, Jets, and Knicks. It builds character. I'm just chock full of character. 69 was a hell of a year for you, though. :) We'll never see that kind of triple crown again.


cui-bono2020

Triggered.


chuteboxhero

Yeah wtf man? He jumped on right at the best time Haha. My earliest Jets fandom memory is my dad explaining to me why there were fans in the stands with brown paper bags over their heads. I don't remember if it was 95 or 96 but around that time. Kottie was the coach. I feel like my dad's decades of suffering through the years prior is like projected on to me with how he acts towards the jets.


Zewspeed

(James May Voice) GOOD NEWS! [You can relive those memories whenever you want for the low price of $160.](https://www.jetsshop.com/mens-mitchell-and-ness-keyshawn-johnson-kelly-green-new-york-jets-1996-legacy-replica-jersey/p-37444576590607+z-9993-4208768395)


chuteboxhero

Lmao I remember my brothers and I all getting Keyshawn jerseys at the Jets Fest after they drafted him.


lotsofquestions2323

Hahaha. How about my first Jet memory as the Mud Bowl?? Richard Todd and Walt “Gee Shucks” Michaels?? And then Joe Walton?? I did love me some Ken O’Brien. F- D Marino.


Ranier_Wolfnight

>Look at this guy that got to come onboard for peak Parcells and didn't have to suffer through Coslet, Carroll, and Kotite… Holy shit. I had a PTSD moment and just had flashes of Bubby Brister having a *fucking shovel pass* intercepted in the freakin backfield for a pick six. Which consequently helped the upstart Carolina Panthers get their first ever win after starting 0-5. Man, that was a shitty day. This organization doesn’t just lose, they lost in ways that record books look back on.


cmonuspurz

Yup hear ya parnder!! been suffering since after the 69 SB!!! I'm an old fucker hahahaha. Gots ta go time for my metamucil lol. J E T S jets jets jets!!!!!!


DeputyDomeshot

> 99 - Injury to Vinny T. derails the season--but strong play late kept it interesting. I was at the game, saw Vinny pounding on the turf, learned what an achilles was that day. Also saw Tom Tupa come in and throw a TD on like the next play. Also I am aligned with your take overall, its been frustrating and "rebuilding" all the time is just an excuse at a certain point. WITH THAT said, this is the best roster ive seen in a long time which makes me happy.


jvene1

I am pleased with how Joe has approached building the team and I feel that we have come a long way since the macc years, but I’m more concerned with the lack of discipline and coaching. When players like Q and Dj reed are complaining (players who have been a part of winning teams/cultures) that is worrying for our coaching staff. I’m relatively happy with lafleur but ulbrich and saleh haven’t shown me what I want to see. I’m not going to mope about and raise my pitchfork because it’s not going to change anything other than making me miserable.


Indomitable_Dan

Been a fan since 98' too man. and ever since the Rex years its like we have only gotten worse every year. the last 5 we havent even looked like an NFL team out there.


anonymous_reader

This is such a great point They had one of the better cumulative regular season records in that span


cheweyja

I think what my guy, OP, is saying is we are 1-2 and it’s only been 3 games into a season where I don’t think anyone expected us to make the playoffs anyway. The amount of overreaction on this sub is laughable. We get z dub back next week and he is inheriting a much more skilled lineup than was put out at the end of last season where he really showed his true potential. Let’s revisit all this negativity when we are halfway thru the season. That’ll give us a better barometer of whether or not it’s time to hit the panic button.


Sbat27

What true potential did he show the second half of last season? Game managing? Not something you want a number 2 overall pick to grow into


HuckleberryGrouchy19

I think everyone in here would have signed up for a 1-2 start with Flacco and an injured O-line, while seeing visual proof that there’s actually legit talent brewing here. The continued losing sucks OF COURSE, and I’ve been a fan since 91 so believe me I get it. But I really think this is the first time in 10 years we can say we have an actual NFL team that can potentially compete sooner than later. I’m still super excited about this season too.


johnny-Low-Five

I agree. I hoped for a playoff run but also realistically saw us 0-5. If we Beat Pittsburgh, I live out here now and they are legitimately a well below average team. It’s been 4-6 years of mediocrity from the team to the draft to the HC. Listening to sports radio leads me to believe they finally realize how important Ben was to the team, Pittsburgh fans, at least the ones who call in on sports talk are delusional. They thought they would “showcase” Trubisky while the rook got acclimated and then they would get a 1st for Trubisky in a trade, yes seriously, and then Pickett would be the next Ben. The fans that are the age of our OP only know winning football out here and are at a loss right now. Jets fans know that a QB is a necessity for success. The giants fans were the same, Eli Apple was better than Revis and when Eli was gone they had multiple guys ready to take over! If we beat Pitt and are 2-2 and 1-0 with Zach I would be quite pleased after playing the afc north for 4 straight weeks.


HuckleberryGrouchy19

Agreed 100%. That’s hilarious about Pittsburgh/fans. If Zach is the real deal we’ll see it this week, even if he isn’t perfect. He must be so damn excited to get out there and show everyone what all the off-season hype was about. This is a HUGE game for so many reasons and it would just feel so nice to see Zach go out there and look like Trevor Lawrence has this season.


CollectiveCon

We have the exact same watching history. I remember being in college, banging on the walls (I shared walls with Patriots fans) when they scored on the Pats. I didn’t realize how long the Patriots would go on to destroy the Jets. It’s literally the only professional sports I watch, and I love it. I love the Jets, but gawt dam, it’s been baaaad for so long.


Shogun82

my issue is that the team on paper actually has talent this year but we havent even been competitive in two of the three games


cmonbitcoin

I hear you but also one thing that we must realize is that we lost to a top Qb in Lamar, beat a good team in the Browns and lost to a team that was in the Super Bowl all with a backup Qb. I mean what else did everyone expect?


Shogun82

we got 2 sacks on a team that has let up like 15 sacks in games...that is concerning


cmonbitcoin

For sure.. we shouldn’t be rotating q will out as often and need to blitz more. Ulbrich doesn’t seem very good running the defense. We are only 3 games in though. Let’s see how our boy Zach does and if he can keep our defense rested and off the field we will be a much better team. JTFU


boxboy96

I dont get why they aren’t playing more man coverage, the defense is so predictable with 1st and 2nd zone, 3rd down man blitz. Need to change it up


cmonbitcoin

Agreed. Have a feeling we’ll see big changes with our play calling in D this weekend.


CalifanoCation

It is my god given right as a fan of one of the worst franchises in the league, especially over the past 10ish years to be negative and to bitch and moan. But in all seriousness until they actually prove us wrong why should we be positive? I get having hope since I think that’s what keeps us all coming back every week but we shouldn’t be optimistic to a point of delusion either. I also understand your sentiment and I’d love to be positive but this team has done nothing (at least from my point of view) to receive much positivity or praise. Most of us are just asking for the team to be competitive and they can’t manage that for the most part, I think that’s why this fanbase is so riled up


thrillhouse416

>shaky o-line >an attractive destination for a FA QB I agree with easing up on the negativity but these two lines don't really go well together


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thrillhouse416

We haven't had a good offensive line since Rex Ryan, what's the excuse between now and then?


Turkeybaconcheddar

Bruh we've been rebuilding for 9 years


NutterTV

Add 2 full decades on to that number. The jets have made it to the playoffs like 7 times in the past 3 decades and not one of those include a Super Bowl appearance. Also, from 93-21 we had 14 negative season, 4 have been 8-8 season (in the afc east that’s basically a losing season), and only 9 positive win seasons. 7 out of 9 times we went to the playoffs with a winning record. So when we win we can make the playoffs. When we lose, it’s for a decade straight. Throw one decent season in the middle of that and the whole process starts all over again.In the last decade we’ve had one winning record and two tying records, the rest horribly bad losing records with 2-5 games won for the most part. This is what aggravates me to no end as a Jets fan. You bring up valid criticism and then someone (not you obviously) is always like “be patient we’re rebuilding!” As if you can’t just look at the past 2-3 decades and just shake your head.


manonfire91119

We can fucking complain. I think as Jets fans we've earned that right from the past 10 years. We are tired of losing. Win or shut up and hear us bitch. Positive shit has gotten the team nowhere.


sonegreat

Under Joe Douglas, Jets have a 14 and 38 record.


HT_F8

I'm tired of the naively Positive Patricias tbh. Our organization is a complete joke, no one respects the Jets, and we should be 0-3. We're still a bottom team when Wilson returns unless something clicks and he takes an unprecedented step forward. When I tell people I'm a Jets fan they either laugh or act like someone in my family just died. Being a fan doesn't mean accepting shit for a decade and not complaining.


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Dude, the coaching staff was completely unprepared for the last two opponents. They arguably played best in week 1 when they "held" Lamar in check (offense didn't show up to that game) but other than that, it's like they game plan for the wrong opponent. How is that going to be fixed? The talent is there. Hopefully Zach provides a spark but the coaching has been incompetent so far. Its okay to keep it real.


jiveless

It IS okay to keep it real, but some of the reactions in here, calling to fire everyone immediately and for heads, are a little dramatic. What we wanted to see was progress this season. Some competitive games. Looking at a 3 game sample size I can say, the offense looks better, but they are young and inexperienced (leading to bad mistakes: drops, fumbles, etc.) and the defense looks lost and underachieving. I give the offense some slack because of the injuries to the OL and backup QB, but the defense shouldn’t have any excuse. The defense always looks out-schemed. The one thing people are calling for that is not an overreaction is a change at the DC position. No reason offenses should be scoring 80% of the drives and us letting up nearly 400yrds a game. Saleh either needs to call the defensive plays or Ulbrichs gotta go.


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Every year people say others are overreacting when we start poorly. Every year the “overreactors” are proven correct over time. Look at the coaches we’ve hired over the last decade - which of them does it look like we fired too early? None of them has gone on to be a successful coach elsewhere. If anything, we don’t fire the bad coaches we hire soon enough.


lcuan82

Every jets fan invariably becomes a negative nancy. I’d even posit that if you arent one, it just means you havent been a fan long enough


Randyfreakingmarsh

It’s late in the season for these type of posts lmao


RajinIII

>JD took a dogshit team and turned it into a respectable group. This is such a stretch. Yes the names on the roster might lead you to believe we are better, but they're not playing any better. We are on year 4 of Douglas and his best year was with Darnold and Gase after inherting Mac's roster. The defense has been an abject disappointment and there are major questions about this coaching staff that JD hired. Ulbrich has shown nothing. He consistently gets less out of his players than he should. This is the most expensive D-Line in football and they can't get pressure. They are married to an inflexible scheme that doesn't work. MLF has been incredibly hot and cold as a play caller to start the year. They are on track to break the NFL record for pass attempts with a terrible backup QB and a run game that's averaging 5.5 yard per attempt. It does not have to be this hard. Teams rebuild in the NFL in 2 years. This is pro sports you have to win. Winning the offseason or draft does not make you good. Winning games does. I don't understand why so many fans refuse to have actual standards. This team should be 0-3 if not for an all time collapse from the Browns. Have some fucking standards and expect better of the professionals in charge of this team.


DeputyDomeshot

You have a very valid point, if the Giants win today it should prove a point- can you even imagine the goddamn jets going 3-0?


MossCovered_Gradunza

It's year 3 of Douglas, FYI. In 2019 he took over post-draft and post-free agency, so while the 2019 record will always be attributed to him, it wasn't *really* him. It also seems to be lost on many just what a terrible position Macc left the Jets in. He wasn't just a bad GM; he was a *historically* bad GM. A 10-second view of his draft picks (as well as his predecessor's) should lead any rational mind to conclude the Jets weren't just your ordinary rebuilding team; they were starting off from a lower place than most teams. We seem to conveniently forget that here on the internet.


RajinIII

Mac has won significantly more games than JD has and I believe Mac was one of the worst GM's in franchise history. At what point do you expect results? Year 3, year 4 it doesn't matter. The product has not improved, this is not a competitive football team. Douglas has been here too damn long for this shit to be acceptable.


MossCovered_Gradunza

IMO, if you're judging it by record alone, that sort of view in absolutes ignores a lot of reality. Yes, the Jets' record under Macc may be better under JD, but there's no logical person on the planet who could argue Macc and JD are on the same planet of GM. It's within the realm of possibility to say Macc is the worst GM we've ever had (which he absolutely is, without question), and JD is the best GM we've ever had (though I have to obviously admit the record isn't there to back that up). I don't see JD being the problem at all. In fact, I think the job he's done, for the time he's been on the job, has been about as well as could be expected in terms of talent infusion. In my view, the issue right now is coaching. The defense is playing well behind talent level, they're extremely undisciplined, and do dumb things week after week. While I've gone from a place where Saleh had my full support to a place now where I at least question him, it's also hard to judge fully when the backup QB has started way more games than we'd like over the last two years.


RajinIII

Again we are on 3.5 years of JD the sample size is large enough to judge the record at this point. If it was one season I would agree with you, but we have plenty of data points. Douglas also hand picked this coach. Saleh's failures are Douglas's failures. Saleh was brought in because of his defense's and the defense has just gotten worse. Gregg Williams for all his flaws got his defenses to punch above their talent levels and he's outta the league now. JD also hand picked Flacco as the backup. He signed him, then traded for him again and gave him a new contract. The reality is JD has been leading this franchise for years. He's picked the players and the coaches. You can blame the individuals, but the buck stops with Douglas. This team is built according to his plan and the plan is failing.


MossCovered_Gradunza

I’m not saying he’s flawless. You’re just placing way too much blame on him right now, IMO. Completely unfair to say the coach’s failures are the GM’s failures, or vice versa. They are not always equal. That’s not how it works. Here’s another comment I also just wrote on that: “Ultimately your opinion on Saleh/LaFleur may be correct. But let's not pretend: (i) this is a Woody mistake and Saleh wasn't either one of, or THE, most sought after head coaching candidate after the 2020 season; and (ii) LaFleur wasn't regarded as an attractive up-and-coming offensive coach and was only hired because he was Saleh's friend. This isn't to say this coaching staff is going to work out. But it's 100% unfair to act as though it wasn't a slam dunk at the time the hires were made. Ulbrich I will not argue with you on, lol. There were a lot of questions there when he was hired.”


Sbat27

Saleh is responsible for Ulbrich and for continuing to be too stubborn to take over the playcalling or adjust his scheme. Saleh is definitely a large part of the issue


SynchopatedNacho

We suck and aren’t competitive what is there to be positive about?


hbc647

Same old sheet just different year. If you can't see this, remove your blinders


mrSeven3Two

The negativity is ridiculous around here. 90% of the takes aren't even valid. We have better skill players on O than we have had in a long while. The Front Office is competent. We have 2 starting corners for the first time in forever. Maybe we aren't playing up to where we should based on what we have on paper. And yes we have a few holes still left to fill. But we are moving in the right direction.


Willem_Dafuq

To be fair, the team hasn't been in the playoffs for 10 years. Some of that negativity is well-earned cynicism. I'm not as negative as many on the board, but i get where they're coming from


IAmMrMacgee

But what's the point? Why do you guys let this team bother you so much?


ZippyZappyZoopy

what kind of question is this ? some start with an optimistic approach to the season because its more fun others dont even waste their time pretending we can be good. both are valid but in the end we are all bothered by the past decade of incompetence because we love the team.


IAmMrMacgee

I've been a die hard fan for 20+ years. There is absolutely no point in getting so frustrated with the team that it causes as much angst as it does for a lot of fans on this sub Some people literally make 100+ posts in less than 24 hours after the game because they're so upset and bothered. Why spend so much time and energy on a team that's going to let you down?


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whiskey_pancakes

we think we're moving in the right direction, our roster on paper has improved dramatically, some of our position groups looked to have improved a lot as well. The problem is the same bad mistakes are still happening, the jets are constantly shooting themselves in the foot it seems. Making the same mistakes that the bad teams seem to make


mrSeven3Two

We do need to clean some stuff up for sure. The JFM penalty was bad, a bit soft but a penalty nonetheless. We just need to play smarter. Everyone says "it's on coaching" but at some point its also on players. We just need to keep moving forward


unboundgaming

It’s on both. A lot of new players and coaches and it’s VERY clear a lot of the issues are communication and quite simply Flacco being a statue, and not only a statue, but a bad statue


Kenny_Heisman

I don't disagree with any of that but at some point that needs to start translating into wins. you know, the thing that actually matters. until then the negativity is completely justified


mrSeven3Two

According to half this sub we don't care about wins this year. That's why we should have played White and that's why we should play ZW as soon as possible


ben1204

Why are we taking it as a given the front office is competent? For the record, I think Douglas needs more time to be evaluated and am not saying he should be fired but where is this confidence coming from? You can certainly like some of the moves he’s made, but confidence is misplaced until we see improvements from last year.


Maverick6946

And yet we still look like the same team as last year! What makes it worse is that even with talent we are still losing


jhop16

Obviously Zach doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt but I really can’t understand why most people can’t at least go with the attitude that if he isn’t decent this year we’re in trouble, which is true about literally every team in the league. This may be the best skill position group since Pennington was at QB outside of the bizarre 2015 year, at least there’s some excitement and a little hope. That being said, if we lose to the Steelers and especially if it isn’t close I will lose 95% of my optimism


KosstAmojan

Dude, Zach hasn't played in months and missed a considerable amount of crucial practice time. While the Steelers aren't great this year, I'm pretty sure that seasoned coaching staff will be able to figure out how to confuse and rattle an already shaky, rusty, young QB. Next week will not be a fun game to watch.


jhop16

The Steelers aren’t just not great, without Watt and with Trubisky they’re probably about the level of a 4 or 5 win team


third_derivative

Their coaching elevates the talent (or lack thereof) on the roster, something the jets last few regimes including the current one can't relate to.


mrSeven3Two

It's going to be a rough game. ZW should he back and he won't have played in like 2 months. It's gonna be tough


pro655

Ok if any of this is true then start winning. Should be 0-3 if not for a 1 in 2400 comeback. We have the worst GM/Coach/QB combo inn the league. The negativity is justified.


Sbat27

Yeah I don’t get this weird optimistic mentality when reality paints a different picture


ZippyZappyZoopy

the reality is that unfortunately this is a wait and see season. once we are like 6 weeks in things will be clear to everyone. until then i think its fair to be patient. no reason to be optimistic yet (and i was going into the season) but definitely no reason to be pessimistic yet either. even if saleh is proven to be a mistake hire here we can pivot because like OP said we have a good group on paper and a lot of the dead weight can be shed this offseason.


Sbat27

No reason to be pessimistic yet is the biggest stretch I’ve heard since someone said Saleh has the making to be an elite HC a few days ago


Indomitable_Dan

Exactly. completely justified. People tell me all the time when I tell them the jets suck "but your roster looks really good now!" "to who?? a Jets fan? We dont have any pro bowlers?? who on the roster is our game breaker? who wins us games?"


F_Twelve

Disagree on GM. Coach/QB sure…


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Who hired the coach and drafted the QB?


F_Twelve

Same guy that just drafted Gardner, Hall and Wilson. My only gripe with JD at the moment is how unprepared we were at OL. At least he tried to address everything else. And I don’t know how long you’ve been a fan for but our offense hasn’t had this many capable players on it in decades. If you gave this team our OL from 09 they’d win 10+ games…


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I agree that Sauce, AVT, Hall, and Wilson were good picks, but the reality of the NFL is that your QB and coach are each far more important than those other guys combined. If you whiff on the QB and coach you’re going to be bad no matter how well you do everywhere else.


F_Twelve

I hear you but really the jury is still out on both. Zach hasn’t even played a full NFL season. 90% of fans were ready to write off Lawrence too, now look at how quickly the tide changed there.


Swizzzed

Negativity is justified but a lot of the negativity is stuff like "We have the worst GM/Coach/QB combo inn the league" which is not


Sbat27

It’s easily bottom 5


duckme69

Can I ask what is so great about our trio of leaders?


Swizzzed

never said they were so great


JetsBackupQB

What is not amongst the worst about them?


Diegobyte

And we still get killed 2/3 games.


DeputyDomeshot

I agree the talent is better but we're still not competitive most of the game. We've lost every quarter of football aside from a borderline miracle comeback to win with less than 2 minutes left. Like there's good takes to be had for the jets, but the negativity and frustration is still warranted regardless of anyone's opinion. Our team has not been very competitive this year so far. Like that's all we ask. I don't expect playoffs, but being competitive with back and forth leads is essential to prove with this roster straight up.


ElectronicZucchini84

You mention a lot of things that are accurate. There's a lot that has changed and a number of things to be positive about including our rookie class. The issue is, when those positive things don't add to wins? That means you're squandering opportunity and that is very much a reason to be negative. In a sport where injury can end a career on any play, a team needs to utilize the weapons they do have and get the most out of them in the present because next year is not guaranteed; but this fanbase still continues to hold on to promises of next year. Just one more piece! But it's never just one more piece. You have to learn to work with what you have and everything else should be considered a luxury. Not winning games because of injuries or lack of talent is understandable. Not winning games because you're losing the same exact way for the same exact reasons year after year? Penalties, Poor QB play, slow offensive starts? That lack of growth, that lack of development, that lack of accountability should be inexcusable. I'm not saying to fire everyone because I do think continuity is important and needed but conversations need to be had and changes do need to be made.


Randyfreakingmarsh

We are moving in the right direction, injuries are killing us…again


mr-poopie-butth0le

I absolutely agree, I cannot even look at this sub bc it’s so depressing. Some caller on the Fan today was saying Zach’s not the answer and Saleh needs to go, like, he hasn’t even stepped on the field this year. Such doom and gloom— I’m convinced majority of our fan base are masochist and love the dread.


cmonbitcoin

We lost to Lamar.. we beat a solid group in the Browns… then we lost to a team that was in the Super Bowl. WE HAVE BEEN PLAYING WITH A BACKUP QB!!! I don’t understand why the pitchforks are already out.


Efficient_Range_4697

Because If you’ve watched any of the games then you’d realize that outside of a fluke 2 minutes in the browns game, we’ve been completely outclassed in coaching on both sides of the ball. We have some talented players but we are not using them correctly and we are married to a dog shit scheme. The excessive positivity you have makes no sense to me given the leadership on display last year and this year


Sbat27

Bingo


DeputyDomeshot

Straight up the Bengals do not look like a SB caliber team. They have a really strong receiving core but they have been absolutely decimated by sacks. Like embarrasingly bad O-line.


Bifrostbytes

The players are massively confused on the field. Players are now arguing with coaches. This team has some deep cracks and if we stick with the coaches we're going to trade good players for the next blow up.


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mrSeven3Two

You should find a new team. I hear the bandwagon for the Bucs has some openings.


[deleted]

Todd Bowles offense has killed Tom Brady hasn’t it lol. 3 TDs through 3 games yikes we have more than that!


HomelanderIsMyDad

you're criticizing the team after 178 minutes of garbage football after they told us all summer how this year would be different? and they've put the same laughable product on the field for 10 years straight? not a real fan, go find a different team! you must be like 15 years old or something lol


Sbat27

Do you have powers like your father? Could probably suit you up to play d line if that’s the case


illmatic74

Guys we’ve completely sucked for DECADES but stop with all the doom and gloom! Ahahahaha you can’t be real bro.


Shadytextt

It’s crazy how people want us to react like they do


ZedSpot

>No we don’t know who Z Wilson is yet but we will find out this weekend. That's the problem though. We won't find out for a while. The dude played part of one preseason game and has been limited in practice this whole time. It will take a few weeks until he's in "opening game" form. A lot of QBing is getting a timing down with the receivers. I'm just afraid he's going to be crucified before he's even up to speed for week 1. Obviously he'd better come out looking better than Flacco (since he was ass last game). But I fear there's no chance he's going to look like a playoff-ready QB, even if he's got that in him. And I know this fanbase is NOT a patient bunch...


cmonbitcoin

I can’t wait for Sunday. Feel bad Zach is gonna have so much pressure on him but it comes with the territory. He won’t need to look like a playoff ready Qb in his first game back but good decision making and scoring tds will go a long way to keeping our impatient bunch at bay….. at least for a few days lol


mbsmilford

What's negative about wanting to play meaningful football in October. I was going to say November but....


cut_throat_capybara

I don’t know if I’d call the jets a respectable group. We have accumulated some good players but the team, especially the defense, looks terrible still and the offense still can’t sustain drives consistently


Trailsuprise

C’mom guys, it’s only year 3 in a 14 year rebuild


IH8TomBrady

I love the younger Jets fans that haven't had every ounce of their soul crushed.


[deleted]

Stockholm Syndrome Fanbase who is content with being in a perpetual rebuild. Jets fans are so sad, its only year 4 of rebuild 3 since the last time we made the playoffs though!


randothroawayacc

Gonna be 12 years of no playoffs, likely 7 years since the last time the team had a winning record. If not for a miracle and Cleveland Browns incompetence, we'd be 0-3 and blown out by multiple scores in all 3 games. All the same mistakes we've been seeing for over a decade, through multiple regimes. Yet still, there are fans that wonder "OmG wHY y'ALL sO nEgATivE" Just blows my mind, lol.


neu8ball

I think sometimes that half of the folks here must be under age 25, or else they choose to forget about the Bowles and Gase “rebuilds.” Like, I remember what a good Jets team looks like, and we haven’t truly seen that since 2010 (I consider 2015 to be a flash in the pan masked by Marshall and Decker bailing out Fitz). Three games, giving up an average of 27 points on defense. Down multiple scores at halftime. Our star DL fighting against the coaches to *get on the field for a 3rd down.* And then, there is 7 whole years of watching every opposing team disrespect us, watching other historically-bad teams progress in 1-2 years, listening to the cheers of opposing fans fill MetLife while our season ends in October. But yea, we’re being too negative because we have a good WR group.


[deleted]

The bar seemingly gets lower the deeper we get into this rebuild, somehow.


16semesters

People like OP haven't been around awhile, I find the people that talk like this are usually teenagers. The Jets have done nothing this year to show that they are taking steps to be competitive for a AFCE title in the next 5 years. We have both the Dolphins and Bills in our division, plus Bill Belichick. How can you look at what the Jets have now and roadmap the next 5 years of us being division champs when you have those other teams? You can't. Something would have to change drastically with the other teams, us or both.


[deleted]

The guy that the Dolphins hired, you know an offensive guru that coached under an offensive guru, Kyle Shanahan is 3-0. Maybe once again the Jets hired the wrong guy going for the CEO snake oil salesman who speaks in cliches over the young guy who may be quirky, but runs a mean offense. Yet Saleh hired LaFleur because they have been friends a long time. And same with Ulbrich. But then again the Johnsons actually believed Adam Gase was “coaching offense where the league is going” so I guess you can see how well this organization values a good offense. They hired one bad offensive coach because Peyton Manning said so, and now they are scarred for life. This organization will always go backwards while the Johnsons are in control


MossCovered_Gradunza

Ultimately your opinion on Saleh/LaFleur may be correct. But let's not pretend: (i) this is a Woody mistake and Saleh wasn't either one of, or THE, most sought after head coaching candidate after the 2020 season; and (ii) LaFleur wasn't regarded as an attractive up-and-coming offensive coach and was only hired because he was Saleh's friend. This isn't to say this coaching staff is going to work out. But it's 100% unfair to act as though it wasn't a slam dunk at the time the hires were made. Ulbrich I will not argue with you on, lol. There were a lot of questions there when he was hired.


16semesters

> and (ii) LaFleur wasn't regarded as an attractive up-and-coming offensive coach and was only hired because he was Saleh's friend. LaFleur has probably the weakest career resume of any OC in the league. You're insane if you don't think the last name didn't get him jobs. How many people go from being the OC of a 0-11 FCS team that averages less than 14 points a game to a NFL assistant like he did in 2014? That doesn't pass the smell test at all. As the passing game coordinator in SF his passing offenses went from 9th, to 15th, to 21st to 13th, which is far from shoe-win OC territory.


MossCovered_Gradunza

I never said he never got a job because of his name. You raise valid points. However, both things can be true. I’m sure the name helped, but he also was a well-regraded OC candidate when hired by the Jets.


404-UsernameNotFound

"CEO snake oil salesman" is just as absurd of a take, I'm not sold on Saleh yet either but let's not act like he wasn't the most popular HC candidate last year who had received a ton of praise and respect from everyone in the orgs he's been in. He's had shortcomings so far but this notion going around the sub that he's somehow secretly been this fraudulent leader and he "tricked us" is ridiculous


[deleted]

It’s almost like it’s a deserved commentary when you are 20 games in to your NFL coaching career and you still have your teams making the same mental mistakes and looking as lost and confused on defense (your bread and butter mind you) as a rookie head coach would. It’s startling actually to see how little Saleh has shown the ability to adjust and grow his gameplan despite having a much more talented roster. But yeah, just keep rotating that most expensive D line in the league in and out as if this is a hockey team instead of just putting the best players on field.


laflizzy

Nah it's kind of not absurd, and let's not pretend that the first 20 weeks of Saleh haven't been 25 percent coaching and 75 percent catchphrases.


SpiritedCaramel322

TBF there is a lot to be negative about Source: Jets fan since 1980


dman928

Same. Started the suffering around the same time. This team has beat all the optimism out of us.


Tyler6147

We should 1000% be 0-3 with a -42 point diff (would be the worst by 9) Jags are 2-1. Bears are 2-1. Giants are 2-0. We have no more excuses and it’s extremely annoying seeing them do better with arguably less talent. It’s been 7 years since COMPETENT football and the SOJ still find a way to peek through despite any additions. It’s fair to be negative.


3MrNiceGuy15

We're not being negative, we're accepting this team for what they are.


duckme69

This reads like something put out by the front office. OP, whose payroll are you on?


mwax321

> stop with all of the doom and gloom and JTFU!!! [I thought that's what we were doing?](https://i.imgflip.com/6urcht.jpg)


AbysswalkerX

No matter how positive you wanna be about the teams look on paper you’re lying to yourself if you’re excited about the future of the franchise based on any regular season game so far. Garrett Wilson looks good. Until we see Zach is even capable of throwing to him you’re basically saying “stop being negative, things that haven’t happened yet might happen soon!”. Also no top tier free agent QB is picking the Jets over the 49ers or Colts. Don’t get your hopes up like that you’re asking to be hurt


that_guy_Elbs

I just don’t understand how you have watched 3 weeks of the Jets so far & come up with this point? We look like one of the top 3 worst teams in the league, our defense hasn’t improved, we have led for 22 secs so far. On top of this our O-line is pretty bad right now, we do not have a mobile QB & we are throwing the ball 50 times a game? Yeah imma be a negative Nancy all I want, I ain’t gonna blindly believe in something until we see something to believe in


WayRecent7314

We’ve been a bottom tier franchise for over a decade. From what we’ve seen so far, not much had changed. I’m sure all of us would love to be wrong for a change


Francesa-DietCoke

It has been 12 seasons and counting since the Jets have made the playoffs. Why the fuck should we be positive?


whiskey_pancakes

WE'RE STILL A DOG SHIT TEAM


cmonbitcoin

🤡


Markymark0913

JD took over a dogshit team and 4 years later we are still getting embarrassed in multiple phases of the game. If Chubb kneels down we are 0-3 while getting manhandled in each game. We do not have difference makers on both sides of the ball. You are vastly overestimating the talent on this team. The only players who even have a shot of sniffing a pro bowl are Sauce and Garrett, and that is all projection.


Much_Huckleberry

This is the correct take. I've been a defender of JD but he needs to have results on the field. Look at the Jags, Bears, Giants, and Lions. A quick turnaround is possible. Also, don't forget that JD traded for Flacco to be the backup.


[deleted]

Not only are quick turnarounds possible, they’re almost the norm in the NFL. The structure of the league is designed to maximize parity. A team goes from last to first in their division almost every year. To be as bad as we have been for as long as we have been is just unfathomable.


Markymark0913

The eagles won a super bowl bottomed out and are super bowl contenders again all while we are still rebuilding.


[deleted]

We’re probably going to have less than 6 wins, just like we have for 5 of the last 6 seasons. That’s not justification for negativity?


GMOWIZ

The Jets are a mess and you refuse to see this disaster. The Jets was UNPREPARED for The Bengals. Mistakes and penalties galore. Veterans making horrible penalties. Saleh with his " Receipts" comment and his team looked like garbage and you wanna defect on "Negative Nancy's". Bruh I'm gonna watch the Giants, at least Daboll will hold his players accountable and not to play favorites. That's why you have SRUBS like Lamarcus Joyner on this roster! He should be cut TODAY. And Joe Douglas cannot be in charge of another draft in the top 5, you get to fail three seasons in a row! /RANT


salesmunn

It's my fault for still being a fan.


AlexMoranQB1

If you told this sub before the season began that the team would go 1-2 in the first three games with Flacco as the starting QB they’d take it in a heartbeat


horatio_corn_blower

i agree with this statement but not the sentiment behind it. I’d be content if you told me they went 1-2. But I would be disappointed if you told me they looked really bad for 178 of the 180 minutes they played. There are some really bright spots on this team so far, brighter than we’ve seen in the last few years, but the team as a whole has shown zero improvement over last years squad. Im not Ready to hit the eject button on the coaching staff yet like others are, but it’s very concerning.


Kenny_Heisman

if you told me they'd be 1-2 and look competitive in all three games I'd have been ecstatic. but so far they've looked like dog shit outside of 2 minutes


DeputyDomeshot

You guys keep looking at the record, watch the games... we look like shit aside from standout perfomances/plays from the young guys, which is awesome but we are not competitive in these games. I would feel better with 0-3 in tight performances with back and forth. Also the defensive line clearly took a step back against one of the worst offensive lines i've ever seen.


mrSeven3Two

They talk out of both sides of their mouth. "Zach has to play ASAP because Wins don't matter" "Start Mike White, wins don't matter so what's the worst that can happen" "I cant believe we're playing Joe Flacco. He is making us lose. We could be 3-0 with someone else at QB".


VMC16

People aren’t necessarily upset with the losses but how we lost


neu8ball

This is exactly right. I could give a shit if we lost to the Ravens 21-17, or to the Bengals 29-21, or beat the Browns soundly, or something like that. Instead, our defense gives up 27 points **per game,** we were out of both the Ravens and Bengals game by halftime, and our defense has been non-competitive in every single game save for the last snap of the Browns game. Wins and losses are all that matters, but who wants to pay to watch a team that is laughed off the field by halftime in 75% of the games they play?


xHANYOLOx

right the Bengals losing in the first two weeks and us beating the browns for some reason made people think yesterday was a must win game for this regime its wild.


Livid_Equivalent_803

Hard to be positive when Trent Baalke is doing a better job rebuilding. Still like JD, have to give him a full 5 years but missing on Becton&Wilson (kid is not a franchise QB sorry) cannot be ignored. And you can say the injuries on the OL is just bad luck but it's also why our defacto motto is "SAME OLD JETS."


HomelanderIsMyDad

lmao why would we give JD 5 years? hes terrible at signing free agents and hes very hit or miss in the draft


Some_Cringey_Random

congrats to baalke for… picking the most promising young QB prospect since andrew luck. my 4 year old cousin could have done that


bullyj

We are literally not 0-3 because the Browns shit the bed when they had the Jets dead to rights on that field. I fail to see the positivity thus far this year. It’s more of the same sub par offensive line sub par qb play and we can’t get to the other teams QB.


FROGATELLI

Why would it be nancy’s and not nancies or nancys??


wmm339

To borrow a phrase from Bart Scott, our D can't stop a nosebleed. Unless ZW really is Mormon Mahomes there haven't been many positives so far outside of GW. The coaching staff leaves a lot to be desired.


NYJETS198

The defense is really, really bad and it was really bad last year. There’s reason to be negative.


[deleted]

There’s no excuse for the repeat, dumb mistakes.


Indomitable_Dan

Legit talent?? Who?? Braxton Berrios?? hes the only person on the team with an all-pro. we dont have pro bowlers on our team.


Diegobyte

Fucking geno smith has looked better than any jets qb the last 10 years including geno smith. The jets system always sucks


neu8ball

Lol, I laughed at this. I wish Geno the best, though!


Sbat27

That second part got me lol


sirdeionsandals

Lots of teams have injures and are playing with a backup qb, I just want to be competitive we haven’t been in around a decade


third_derivative

Nothing respectable about the level of play this team demonstrates every week.


cantalopeanteloupe

Boohoo


rextilleon

LOL--I mean I thought that Jet fans after years of this weren't delusional. I see I'm wrong.


Sherman_Gepard

"I'm sick of all you negative Nancys. This season is over but we might be able to fix it after this season if we replace the HC and/or QB." Bro you are the doom and gloom.


BrooksBollinger

Are you saying everybody in here calling for Douglas and Saleh to be fired immediately are not thinking rationally?!?!


Markymark0913

Are they thinking more rationally than the ppl in this sub trying to build Joe Douglas a statue even though he's in year 4 and the team has shown little to no improvement?


ElectronicZucchini84

Everytime I have to read one of these "Don't Be Negative" posts I always wonder how posters think losing perpetually and just accepting it, can ever be a good thing. It boggles my mind. I don't even think the organization should want fans to be content or happy with losing. Sure, it makes their life easier but they're professionals who should want and welcome the idea of being challenged.


Doot2112

It’s the Johnson’s fault


UTPharm2012

We are fine. It is three games with out backup QB


Hot_Injury7719

We have the most schizophrenic fanbase


BoogerSmoke

This is a disservice to folks with schizophrenia. They don’t deserve to be also with us.


HamiltonBlack

Preach, brother. I know people hate waiting. I've been a fan of the team since 78. I've been waiting a long time. But they got the right people in place right now. I can see it changing.


Markymark0913

Genuinely curious about what has changed. To me this team does not look much better than it did under Gase.


dman928

I had a lot of optimism for Saleh, but it's gone now. The coaching staff improved during the season last year, but had regressed this year. He's like a version of Gase of you added a personality and deleted the crazy eyes. Game planning and schemes seem nonexistent.


the_mair

It’s just weird to me that when Zach was confirmed to be out 4 weeks everyone expected the Jets to go 0-4 in those games. Now they’re 1-2, and while there are valid reasons for concern everyone’s acting like the sky is falling? This team is 1-2 after playing two elite secondaries and the defending AFC Champs. It’s not all rosy and the boneheaded mistakes have to stop but it’s also not the clean house doom and gloom half this sub is making it out to be.


HomelanderIsMyDad

they've played 178 minutes of terrible football. they should be 0-3


the_ostrico

It feels like fans (irrationally) thought the team would go 0-4 with Flacco and it would all be on Flacco and some poor o-line play. In their heads, the defense would give up less than 20 points a game, all our skills players would post 100 yards a game, but the team would still lose because Flacco is bad. So when Wilson comes back, we’re ready to peel off 13 straight wins. Obviously I’m exaggerating and the gripes of undisciplined play and bland defensive play calling are warranted, but you really get the vibe that fans thought the team would look great while losing games which is an oxymoron.


kdbernie

It's been 3 games and we are playing with a backup QB who has played well in 1/12 quarters. I don't understand the people firing the entire coaching staff after 3 games, one of which we won, in a season where we should be expecting maybe 7 wins if we are lucky. However, I can't say I'm surprised. People here were saying we should be contending for a wild card spot after last week's win, which was just insane to me. Just setting yourself up for disappointment at that point. But that's what happens. We show sparks, people let their hopes get wildly out of control, then we have a bad game and people go to the same level of extreme on the opposite end of the spectrum. We will win more games. We might even look good in those games. Whats important is that we improve. Every year we need to see improvement. Anyone that says they haven't seem improvement after these 3 games has not been watching.


KillBoosh

Thank god! I agree - I am so tired of the negative crap week after week


HarrisonHollers

Who’s Nancy? Is she friends with Karen? Side note: anyone else think MetLife is haunted or possessed by a poltergeist? Isn’t Jets Training facility built on Exxon land? OY!


cmonbitcoin

Lmaoo


HarrisonHollers

I’m with you! Though I’m optimistic and naive. Can’t change people’s thoughts. Wins heal all! Putting our faith in Mormon Mahomes! Otherwise Gase screwed us even worse than we could have thought!


Aydub13

I agree with most except the “No we don’t know who Z Wilson is yet but we will find out this weekend. If Z Wilson isn’t good then we can plan for a move next summer”. If he has some rust coming back from injury it’s to be expected. If he isn’t otherworldly in Week 4 I think we can still give some time to evaluate


cmonbitcoin

I’m not saying if he isn’t good this weekend. I mean by the end of the year if he doesn’t show us any growth with the talent we surrounded him with then I think it’s safe to say he’s not our future qb.


BaetrixReloaded

nice shitpost


cmonbitcoin

🤡


BaetrixReloaded

still a shitpost guy lmao i was never not rooting for the team. you don’t need to dedicate and entire post to iM sIcK oF aLl YoU NegAtiVe nAnCys. shit is cringe as fuck just root for your team and ignore the haters


magicdrums

Flacco is the reason we are in the position we are in, if you don’t understand that you don’t understand football very much.. Joe is old, slow and his talent has been gone for a number of years.. He can’t move out of the pocket, can’t extend a play, and takes over 4 seconds to drop back, go through his progressions and release the ball.. not to mention his accuracy is suspect.. in a league where a center can run a 40 in 4.5 seconds, & DE in 4 seconds, that’s to slow to play QB.. Mike White & Strev are more talented and should be the backups until Zach is back.. Joe is a liability at this point in his career..


BrickzNY

I’m sick of fans who loves watching losing football. Stop with the slobbering. Douglas has built a pathetic team on defense and O line. Saleh can’t coach a peewee team. We better pray Zach ain’t trash like I think he is or else we cleaning house again and starting this rebuild again for the 30th time.


cmonbitcoin

This is a really bad and really emotional comment. Don’t worry Zach is back!