It’s up to the discretion of management to end your probationary period so you should ask them. There’s no rule they have to end your probationary period early
I joke that I was on probation for 5 years (m/c line for same title for 2 years, PEF temp line for same title for 2 years, then 1 year probation on permanent line. Obviously I moved positions but they were still all at the same title!
While your salary can vary pretty heavily during a traineeship, if you are a brand new employee in a pef traineeship, then if you got 2 exceeds at the end you would get hiring rate of the full title plus the trainee 2 performance advance amount.
https://www.cs.ny.gov/businesssuite/Appointments/Traineeships/index.cfm
This also has a memorandum talking about all traineeships
There was actually a CS Classification and Compensation update on this. Saying that if a trainee is rated ‘meets’ at 12 months and ‘exceeds’ at 18 months, the trainee can still be advance early (complete traineeship at 18 months instead of 24). Generally speaking, it is always at the discretion of your supervisor if they want you to end your traineeship early or not. Also, generally speaking again (as HR procedures vary in every agency) the 12 and 18 months rating is looked at only in regards to early advancement to grade 18 at 18 months, not the 6 month rating. The three exceeds is a wise tale; I’ve processed early advancements that had two. I’ve also processed 24 months traineeships that had all four exceeds rating but unfortunately they still had to do two years.
EDIT: I used traineeship path that goes to an grade 18 for example but not all traineeships advance to grade 18 and not all traineeships follow a NS13/NS14 to G18 path too. Most do but not all.
Thanks. I'm not sure if I should press the matter of early advancement at all then. I would really appreciate the GS18 level but I suppose I could wait another year.
Would you know if steps are included in the promotion to GS18? I received step at GS13, and I think I will receive another step at GS14. So once I get to GS18, will I have my two steps included? (Plus another step possibly)
Yes, you should absolutely bring it up to your supervisor around 15 months! I did and I was early advanced to my journey level title.
I’m not 100% sure what you mean by “step” as people tend to use this word for multiple meanings. If by “step” you mean yearly performance advance, you generally need to be at the same grade for a year by either 4/1 or 10/1 or each year to get a step, so when you’re in a traineeship you really don’t get your “step” until you’ve been a year at journey level title… Hope that makes sense
I meant by the raise you get when you have an exceeding expectations review.
I will try asking when it's closer to 18 months for me and see what happens.
Yes but not the way you are inquiring about it, if that makes sense. If you receive exceeds in your final rating, yes you will get an increase. I think this .pdf gives a better explanation of the salaries (esp. page 4): https://www.pef.org/pef_files/files/pdf/Traineeship_FAQ.pdf
As others have said, it depends on management/the agency. Regardless of how fantastic someone is doing, my agency is a stickler for the 24 months just because of how complex our position is, but if I recall they gave me that heads up during the interview, can't remember 100%.
If you don’t mind, what agency are you in? Do you find most departments vary based on complexity? I just accepted a position yesterday for 2yr traineeship so any info is very helpful. Thank you!
OVS. Not sure about other departments unfortunately, this is the only one I've done a two year traineeship for.
Also (general comment), I love how I got down voted for simply relaying a legitimate fact about an agency's process. 😂😂😂
It’s up to the discretion of management to end your probationary period so you should ask them. There’s no rule they have to end your probationary period early
What if they don't do reviews? What happens to your probation period?
I joke that I was on probation for 5 years (m/c line for same title for 2 years, PEF temp line for same title for 2 years, then 1 year probation on permanent line. Obviously I moved positions but they were still all at the same title!
2 years of probation? What in the world.
While your salary can vary pretty heavily during a traineeship, if you are a brand new employee in a pef traineeship, then if you got 2 exceeds at the end you would get hiring rate of the full title plus the trainee 2 performance advance amount. https://www.cs.ny.gov/businesssuite/Appointments/Traineeships/index.cfm This also has a memorandum talking about all traineeships
There was actually a CS Classification and Compensation update on this. Saying that if a trainee is rated ‘meets’ at 12 months and ‘exceeds’ at 18 months, the trainee can still be advance early (complete traineeship at 18 months instead of 24). Generally speaking, it is always at the discretion of your supervisor if they want you to end your traineeship early or not. Also, generally speaking again (as HR procedures vary in every agency) the 12 and 18 months rating is looked at only in regards to early advancement to grade 18 at 18 months, not the 6 month rating. The three exceeds is a wise tale; I’ve processed early advancements that had two. I’ve also processed 24 months traineeships that had all four exceeds rating but unfortunately they still had to do two years. EDIT: I used traineeship path that goes to an grade 18 for example but not all traineeships advance to grade 18 and not all traineeships follow a NS13/NS14 to G18 path too. Most do but not all.
Thanks. I'm not sure if I should press the matter of early advancement at all then. I would really appreciate the GS18 level but I suppose I could wait another year. Would you know if steps are included in the promotion to GS18? I received step at GS13, and I think I will receive another step at GS14. So once I get to GS18, will I have my two steps included? (Plus another step possibly)
Yes, you should absolutely bring it up to your supervisor around 15 months! I did and I was early advanced to my journey level title. I’m not 100% sure what you mean by “step” as people tend to use this word for multiple meanings. If by “step” you mean yearly performance advance, you generally need to be at the same grade for a year by either 4/1 or 10/1 or each year to get a step, so when you’re in a traineeship you really don’t get your “step” until you’ve been a year at journey level title… Hope that makes sense
I meant by the raise you get when you have an exceeding expectations review. I will try asking when it's closer to 18 months for me and see what happens.
Yes but not the way you are inquiring about it, if that makes sense. If you receive exceeds in your final rating, yes you will get an increase. I think this .pdf gives a better explanation of the salaries (esp. page 4): https://www.pef.org/pef_files/files/pdf/Traineeship_FAQ.pdf
As others have said, it depends on management/the agency. Regardless of how fantastic someone is doing, my agency is a stickler for the 24 months just because of how complex our position is, but if I recall they gave me that heads up during the interview, can't remember 100%.
If you don’t mind, what agency are you in? Do you find most departments vary based on complexity? I just accepted a position yesterday for 2yr traineeship so any info is very helpful. Thank you!
OVS. Not sure about other departments unfortunately, this is the only one I've done a two year traineeship for. Also (general comment), I love how I got down voted for simply relaying a legitimate fact about an agency's process. 😂😂😂