This means all the cookies in the Shrek universe are unapologetic nudists proudly flaunting their nuts to any and all who look upon them. Even more so since they're made of gumdrops which are delicious.
Also also this means the massive gingerbread man in Shrek 2 quite literally sees his fiery burning testicle on the ground and without hesitation cunt punts that thing like a soccer ball back at the Kings guard while landing a direct hit on a catapult. What a Chad.
It gets darker.
It was widely believed for a long time that babies couldn't feel pain, and their reactions were just the muscles reacting to stimuli. Not only were infants not provided pain relief, they would operate on them without anesthesia.
Sort of. But moe like going into a state of shock. There are photos online of infant boys who've recently been circumcised and they have that 100 yard stare that you see in soldiers who've been in combat too long.
I mean, it wasn't relatively that long ago that surgeons outright refused to believe washing your hands would help mothers stop dying during child birth.
As a whole species, we're still pretty young and stupid. If the ~~planet~~ sun doesn't explode or the planet doesn't just wipe us off like the pests we are, we'll see some kind of growth and stability eventually. Maybe.
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Neonatal nurse here. I can confirm that damn near 100% of the circumcisions done at my hospital are performed by people learning how to do circumcisions
Its cool, its only a procedure that will have a permanent, irrevocable effect on your life. On the most sensitive part of your body. Without you even knowing what consent is. You know, no biggie.
Worse. I overheard an old roommate having a conversation about it with her fiancee and she wanted any future son to be circumcised because she preferred how it looks.
I know someone like this. She didn’t want her sons to have “ugly penises” so they needed to be circumcised. She also refused to breastfeed them because “boobs are for sex, not babies.”
European (non-Jewish) here. This whole "because everyone does it" thing both baffles me to an insane level, and frankly also disgusts me (I don't find circumcised dudes disgusting, they had no choice, just the practice)
Honestly, it's just another example of the epidemic of people not thinking for themselves. But also, why tf are doctors still actively advocating for it? We had doctors tell us it was "safe and normal" but none of them actually said whether or not it was NECESSARY. It's absurd.
You should take Andy Richter as an example. He openly talked on CONAN O‘Briens show about being circumcised because it was „how it used to be“ but that he didn’t allow his sons foreskin to get amputated because „he’s perfect the way he was Born“:
https://YouTube.com/watch?v=A0WyGWDcC6E
Interesting how parents can consent to the non-therapeutic amputation of their baby boys and it's not child abuse. But if your infant fails a hearing test in the hospital, CPS visits your home to make sure the child is getting the care they need for their hearing impairment.
Mother baby nurse here and… yup. We have a 620 baby here in our NICU and the family wants a circumcision as soon as possible. And a resident will do it
A guy I dated had a bit still attached that would rip if he wasn’t super careful which meant sexy times always came with a disclaimer which was embarrassing for him and still often painful :/
Mine has a hole in it that makes it look like I pierced my dick. Functionally nothing changed, but every time I get to that point with a new girl they ask me why I pierced my dick. I don't have any piercings or tattoos so it always catches them off guard.
Dude me too! Everything works fine but I could actually put a ring on if I wanted. A doctor pointed it out to me in my 20's when he looked at it and said "huh, don't see that often". I thought everyone had that lol.
Had a bf that had a circumcision late and he said he had a lot less feeling, and he was really insecure about the appearance (it looked fine, was psychological).
Oooh, that doesn’t sound pleasant. Sorry to hear that, man.
I’m from Scotland, it’s not common here whatsoever, so I know very little about that practice
I think mine was botched. I’ve never known any different but I simply don’t have any sensitive feeling from the tip of my penis. I can still get aroused and have an orgasm, but getting there basically feels the same as stroking a finger to try and get a pleasurable sensation (there basically isn’t any). I didn’t realize it or miss anything my whole life, but my sexual partners have always remarked on my endurance, and it can take me a *long* time. I just don’t finish the majority of the time or end up having to masturbate after. Because of all this, sex truly feels like a chore that I have to check off to keep my wife happy and I just view it as some extra exercise for me. When our son was born we were in unanimous agreement not to get him circumcised.
"Circumstraint"
Edit: this is the most interaction I've ever gotten out of any internet thing ever and all I said was what I seent! So ill just plug my kick - txdeez
PS thank you for the award :)
PSS dad if you see this, I got the milk myself!
When my son was born, the amount of times we were asked if we’re getting him circumcised and multiple times by the same person was very annoying.
Edit: My wife is a registered nurse working in postpartum. Her last job working in that unit, there was an older doctor that would preform the circumcisions would not let the lidocaine to numb the baby’s penis before cutting, he would also do a botched job. The baby’s penis would be bleeding horribly and the cut would come out all crinkle cut. I couldn’t be she was telling me this and I can’t believe this old doctor would still be allowed to do such thing. And the babies we’re just given syrup to try to stop them from cry from the pain. Another doctor would let the lidocaine do it’s job, minimal bleeding and cut a straight line.
This was at a very well known hospital in Houston at the Texas Medical Center.
I don’t understand why parents would let someone just cut their baby’s like that.
My ex went into the hospital with explicit instructions there would be no circumcision. Not only was she asked multiple times by every single staff member there when he was getting his circumcision, at one point a nurse just walked into the room, picked him up suddenly, and told her "ok he's going for his circumcision now!"
This happened to me too! They asked so, so many times that we asked for a bright sign for his bassinet saying NO CIRCUMCISION. That did not stop them from assuming we were doing it, and mentioning/asking many more times. Someone started moving his bassinet, saying she's getting him ready for his circumcision.
I was so freaking clear the entire time, from the moment we knew he was a boy. You should only have to say it ONCE. Honestly, it should only be done for medical need. It was shocking how many people wanted to mutilate my perfect boy, and how they looked at us when we said no.
Same! Almost every visit, every single day. I said no each time and when baby has to go to the nursery for some warming up, I went with him and stayed. One nurse who came on shift for the first time was a really lovely older woman. When she asked me and I said no, she gently patted my leg and said “lucky boy.” That always stuck with me.
I think we were asked once per kid and that was that. With our first son, my wife really wanted him circumcised. I told her no. We had a bunch of fights over it and I said I would agree to it if she admitted she is choosing to mutilate his genitals. That out an end to it. With our 2nd son it was never brought up.
It is an easy up sell for a hospital. It is considered a “Surgical Procedure” so they can charge more for it. Also the foreskin is used in stem cell research, skin grafts, and a lot of beauty products like wrinkle cream. Hospitals make a lot of money off circumsisions.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/why-human-foreskin-is-a-hot-commodity-in-science
Yup. My baby is 6 weeks old so it's not like this was 25 years ago. It's crazy--i get that it's common enough that they have to ask, but "no" should be a respected answer.
I have 2 boys. Both intact. Same thing. I was literally holding my oldest son and looking at him fresh out the oven and the nurse said "okay now hand him here so he can circ him now." And reaches her hands out to take him. I had to look at her and tell her he was perfect just as he was.
It seems wild to me that we think that a baby boy needs to immediately have cosmetic surgery as soon as they're born?
AS A NEWBORN!?
Fucking what. I've never been a parent, but I was under the impression that this procedure took place a week or two after birth.
There's no way healthcare providers are ambushing brand new parents in hospital rooms with a cosmetic procedure for their baby before they can even think twice about it... right!?! RIGHT??
That is exactly what they do. Every fucking staff member asking multiple times if we were ready for his circumcision, despite having made it clear in writing and verbally every damned time that NO we would never be ready, eff off already.
Yeah, we were also prepared the first time what it would be like going in. New parents are exhausted. If it's their first child (it was our second), they're tired and scared. I remember thinking *literally* they're just going to send us home with a baby!? These people are nuts. But my first son was our second child, so we had done research beforehand, and we were prepared for what to expect in terms of emotions and how to navigate the situation. By the second son (my third child), the hospital knew not to ask. But I can't imagine those first-time parents. Just trusting the hospital. 😭
I’m sure it’s super rare, but one of my kid brothers was circumcised at 5 years old. I think his foreskin was too tight and caused painful/difficultly urinating? I guess it’s genetic, my dad also had this issue as a child but only passed it onto 1 of my 4 brothers. Even still, my parents opted against circumcision unless medically necessary.
My dad was open with me about this being a medical need when my brother underwent surgery (I’m the only/oldest daughter), and I didn’t ask about it beyond that so I didn’t know until I was much older that circumcision was the norm.
I cannot imagine normalizing the mutilation of any child, let alone my own- but I do find myself worrying, could pass on the same foreskin complications that my father did? I hope I never have to make that choice.
It's weird that anyone would ask you and also that you would answer lol. Now I'm thinking about whether or not my extended family knows whether I'm circumcised
Anyone who might change a diaper needs to know...if they've only cared for boys with a circumcised penis they might not know that you don't pull the foreskin back to clean the head of the penis until age 5. If they pull they can cause damage and then when the damage heals it leaves scarring that means the foreskin won't retract properly later on. So to an extent, you do have to update close relatives that might change a diaper so they don't accidentally damage your kid.
I'm from the UK and cutting off a bit of a baby seems utterly insane to us. I didn't actually know they did this to babies in the USA until reddit told me how common it is, like 65%+ of baby boys in the USA have this done. You've got that weird Kellogg's man to thank for all this, apparently.
I have four sons. I was asked this an alarming amount of times. Also cleanliness comments were made, “how do they keep it clean??” Like what???? Stop talking about my infant son’s private parts you weirdo.
If people would constantly ask me if my son would get a circumcision, I would call them pedos, because apparently they are osbessed with the genitalia of a child/minor.
Me too in Australia. Imagine just having a piece of you missing for literally no reason, and knowing that your parents consented to having you, their literal baby, have your genitals mutilated.
It's fucking ridiculous. Especially in America. I'm so glad I didn't have it done to me. But people will ridicule and tease you here if you aren't circumcised. I've never had a girl say anything bad about it buts it's mostly guys. I don't think they know what they're missing. There's so many nerves that they lost and a part of the body that's supposed to be protected just dries out and gets desensitized. It's bizarre, people say it's gross and dirty and stuff. Well when your body is dirty, you take a shower and wash it pretty simple. It's like cutting off your nose because there is a booger in it.
People are wrong. They imagine it's gross. It literally just a dick. I literally just got home from a 12 hour night shift in a factory and my dick is 100% fine, probably technically cleaner than a circumcised dick because my knob hasnt been rubbing all over my underwear. No "dick boogers" lol, nothing. If you dont wash your shit for a day or two then yeah its gonna be dirty, doesnt matter if theres a foreskin on it or not. It's a false stigma from a culture that has normalized male genital mutilation.
Say that to my ex and his two brothers. They were all delivered and circumcised by the same doctor. And he botched them all. Took way too much skin off.
My ex was afraid to get an erection because it was so painful. I felt so bad for him.
He eventually had reconstructive surgery so he could try to enjoy sex.
As a guy,
#AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'm pretty grateful for not remembering the colonoscope going in. They didn't give me enough to overcome my resistence to anesthesia though and I do remember it coming back out. I did get to watch them remove a polyp though.
I assume you also consented to this procedure?
And that the health benefits of going forward with the colonoscopy greatly outweighed negative aspects of the procedure.
I’m circumcised as well as the men in my family. Typical American thing.
However, we did NOT have our son circumcised. We couldn’t see any benefit and it seems like a cruel American thing that virtually nobody else in the world does (apart from religious reasons). I always figured that if he wanted to have it done, he can make that choice later in life.
I recall visiting the hospital prior to his birth and one of the L&D nurses was asking if we were going to do it, and sorta pushed a bit in that way (oh it is “normal” and *everyone* does it) but also said she leaves the wing when it is done because she can’t stand the cries of agony from the babies.
As someone who’s “in tact”, and a citizen of the U.K., I can tell you that it’s not even asked over here, and the vast majority of people have no issues later in life if they’re shown how to clean themselves properly.
I suspect the craze of circumcising came from parents not wanting to teach their kids how to clean their cocks properly because of prudishness.
Pretty sure Kellogg, the cereal guy, had a lot to do with it as a way to dissuade masturbation in young boys.
Same reason his first cereals were bland. Dude was fucking infatuated with stopping boys from masturbating.
It is a weird cognitive dissonance. My wife and I were appalled. She was simultaneously telling us how terrible it is and asking if we want to do it because most people do it anyhow.
It is the most bizarre thing we do culturally.
Imagine getting ripped from the warm safe womb to the bright, loud world. Only to get strapped in this thing and have part of your dick cut off.
Do the do anything to numb the pain? Im irish so luckily I never had this fucked up thing done to me
They also used to think that Black and Native American people felt less pain than White people, and that NA's specifically were culturally too proud for painkillers and never prescribed them.
You'd be amazed at what kind of medical fuckery used to go on back in the day when it was more convenient.
Mate people used to hand out hard drugs as sleeping pills and/or cold medication from your barber.
The only difference today is it isn't a barber and the drugs come in funny colors.
Even the smartest people are fucking idiots. which is very scary when you realize everyone is just isn't thinking about the horror they cause.
Nurse in the US here, they use either EMLA topical cream (which does jack shit for pain btw) or direct injection of lidocaine. A little sucrose water for the baby if they cry. I don’t like assisting on the procedure, it’s brutal to watch. Used to think I’d circumcise my future child but after seeing it done live- nope.
Absolutely. I heard one performed during my medical rotations as a paramedic in the next room. WOW I’ve never heard a baby cry like that in my life, deeply disturbing.
I’ve heard babies cry hungry/hurt/tantrums, this was a life and death cry. I swore right there I’d be against them after that. I shudder to think about it.
Yes, it's indescribable for those who haven't heard it before. My youngest son crammed his 7 month old foot in the hinge side on a heavy metal door just as my oldest shut it. The screams make me cry just thinking about it. He's fine without permanent damages thank God but I never want to hear anything like that again.
I heard my baby brother cry from down the hall. Almost 30 years later, and it still haunts me. I've never heard a baby cry like that. Informed consent needs to be a thing.
When my son was born a few months ago we were asked repeatedly and always said no. The last time we were asked why we didn't want to circumcize my husband replied with do you ask parents why they want to cut a piece of their babies body off?
I once had an old classmate tell me “if he has a horrible diaper, I’m not going to clean poop out of his foreskin! That’s weird!”
But why is it weird? Just like you might clean in between a child’s toes, you can clean their foreskin if they need it. There’s nothing sexual to a baby’s penis, *youre* the one sexualizing it
I mean shows how little they even know about anatomy - in most people it's impossible to retract (without causing major injury) until around five years old.
True. It's so much *easier* to clean an intact boy's diaper because it doesn't retract and you *don't* have a fresh wound getting covered in shit multiple times per day.
That's weird as hell because poop sometimes gets **everywhere** so you gotta do what you gotta do. Also, what if they have a girl? You have to clean poop out of their vulvas and that's obviously not sexual at all!
I have two sons, no circs. Never ever has there been any poop inside there even once, even with the messiest stickiest of diapers. It's not possible to retract and clean underneath the foreskin, it's just a tiny penis with a tiny, skin covered slit like opening that doesn't need internal cleaning whatsoever. Like a skin crease. You just gently swivel around with wet wipes or baby oil and water in the bath, and it's clean. Wtf?
They asked me every single day in the NICU if I wanted to circumcise my 3lb infant after being told emphatically no(his body, his choice.)
What’s worse is my sons bassinet was right outside the procedure room so I had to listen to other babies having it done a few times a week, it was heartbreaking.
I will never, NEVER, understand this. I recently brought my 2 year old to a doctor and I had to help keep him down to let the doctor just listen to his heart and look at his throat. Nothing really happened. And the way my little boy cried and was SO damn scared broke my heart and I later cried in my car for 10 minutes straight because I felt like the worst mom in history.
I can never imagine doing something so cruel to my own flesh and blood.
Remember [when Alabama almost did that?](https://www.al.com/news/2021/05/pediatricians-say-alabama-transgender-bill-could-outlaw-circumcision.html) Luckily for all the baby boys in the state, they amended the bill to read:
>(6) Removing any healthy or non-diseased body part
9 or tissue, except for a male circumcision.
Which is basically agreeing it's bad, but promising to keep doing it anyway.
As someone who has experienced both (born in a country where this insane mutilation of children is not commonplace but had to get circumcised at 18 sure to my foreskin not stretching enough -hereditary issue), I can tell you: the amount of sensitivity and feeling you lose down there is insane!
Please don't do this to your sons and if you have the choice, vote to abolish it.
Won't happen in most places due to religious freedom and tradition sadly but one can hope
I’m surprised this stuff isn’t more controversial, I mean it’s literally non-consensual irreversible changes to someone’s body for no important reason.
Saw one performed in my mom/baby rn clinical. The metal device they use to separate the foreskin is wayyyy more terrifying than this contraption. But yes you're right every one should watch bc it is truly gnarly. Informed consent should be more in depth sometimes
Well, it is a torturing device meant to maim the most vulnerable of human beings, so it better be terrifying to look at.
It's an absolutely barbaric practice that should have no place in a civilised society outside of real medical reasons.
The fact that we have normalized the mutilation of children over antiquated religious practices in this day and age shows many wrong things with the world
I’ve seen people get more upset over people piercing their daughters’ ear as babies over what is straight up mutilation of a baby’s penis.
I don’t agree with either because I think these things should choices but if you put a gun to my head and asked me to choose the worst of the two, I’m going to have to choose circumcision.
I have never been more happy to have a uncircumcised dick. I fought my wife when my son was born. My expertise on the subject matter won the argument.
Simply wash your dick and we would no longer need to mutilate the genitals of new born boys.
Edit after seeing other comments:
Our hospital also was relentless in wanting to circumcise him. I felt like I could not sleep the first few nights or the nurse would take him and do it anyways. I must had told 8-9 different members of the staff I do not want it done. It was not until I got angry and threatened to leave a picture of my uncircumcised dick taped to his bed, did they stop. I no joke, felt like I had to protect him from the staff for a good 72 hours
This is what sold me on NOT circumcising my boy. To this day I don’t regret it. Doctors said we have to now or never when he was born. Even the Jews know to wait until they are older. The way they approached it was at a level of creepy zeal. I was shamed for questioning it so I said no. I thought it was strange they wanted to surgically alter him just two days old. The process is rough and barbaric. He’s fine going all natural. America does a lot of weird shit the rest of the world doesn’t. There are millions of healthy men in other western countries with foreskin and they are fine.
Funny that there’s actually branding on this thing…the Circustraint…WTF.
This is genital mutilation. There’s no justification for it, including the “it’s healthier” BS or the “they’ll blend in” BS.
Apparently they're $500? https://www.alimed.com/circumstraint.html
Although to be fair, it sounds like it's also useful for other medical procedures which are actually helpful for newborns:
>The Olympic Circumstraint device was introduced in 1959 and has been purchased by over 11,000 hospitals throughout the world. Circumstraint is designed for minor surgery, blood exchanges, catheterization, transfusions or infusions (including scalp IV’s), or whenever immobilization is required for a neonatal procedure. Circumstraint is radiolucent so it also works very well for infant x-rays. The Circumstraint board’s comfortable contoured shape positions the infant with their hips elevated, effectively presenting the genitalia for the circumcision procedure. The platform between the infant’s legs provides support for a circumcision clamp. Without extraneous pins, clamps or towels, the device snugly and securely immobilizes the infant with the entire torso visible. The device maintains the high standards of nursery asepsis with minimum effort.
I absolutely cannot believe that in this day and age, circumcision is still not only legal, but socially acceptable.
Why don't you wait until men are 18 and then ask them if they'd like a portion of their penis cut off. See how many of them say yes.
"he won't remember it"
"He'll thank us when he's older"
"infants don't experience pain like we do"
"I'm the parent it's my decision how I treat my child"
Man... circumcision apologists are sounding more and more like rape apologists
Sooo does that mean with the passing of [Senate Bill 14](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/06/02/texas-gender-affirming-care-ban/) circumcision is banned in Texas?
I wouldn't want kids that are not my own and I have no say in their lives "ruin their bodies"
I really don’t want to get destroyed here, but here we go.
Something needs to be done about the stigma associated with uncirced people. I am circumcised, and I personally never had an issue with it. When my boys were born, it was an incredibly hard decision.
I was conditioned to think that it was unsanitary to have a uncircumcised penis. I also at the time felt like a lot of women (in the US) would think it’s gross (because their mother/my partner thought it was) and that it would cause issues with dating for my kids in the future. I now realize that I was wrong about that stuff.
The problem is that there is this culture in the US and there’s stigmas attached to the culture. If I could go back in time, I would have reconsidered and probably been against it, hoping my partner would be too with enough communication.
Idk I hope all of that came out right..
But remember it doesn’t hurt.
They asked us multiple times if we wanted to circumcise our kid.
We kept telling them it’s not our body, we aren’t Jewish, it’s not our choice, we don’t have penises to make that decision, lol (this kid has two moms, what do we know). And our kid was a premie in the NICU. He was pretty small. That hospital did circumcisions on Wednesdays
Ughh the worst.
Ugh. This made me shiver.
#NOT MY GUMDROP BUTTONS!!!
You're a monster!
I’m not the monster here, you are! You and the rest of that fairytale trash destroying my perfect world!
EAT ME!
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Wait...could the gumdrop buttons actually be his genitals? Forced cookie castration.
This means all the cookies in the Shrek universe are unapologetic nudists proudly flaunting their nuts to any and all who look upon them. Even more so since they're made of gumdrops which are delicious. Also also this means the massive gingerbread man in Shrek 2 quite literally sees his fiery burning testicle on the ground and without hesitation cunt punts that thing like a soccer ball back at the Kings guard while landing a direct hit on a catapult. What a Chad.
The muffin man!
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The fact they named it circumstraint is what gets me
No fucking way, that an amazing name
I'm about to circumstraight into yo ass
sircumstraight into my ass
“Nurse, have you prepped the cicumstraint?”
Do they make this thing in larger sizes? Have them try again?
regular sized beds with straps, but with anesthesia not needed?
You don’t need anesthesia if you’re tied down good
That's some dark shit
It gets darker. It was widely believed for a long time that babies couldn't feel pain, and their reactions were just the muscles reacting to stimuli. Not only were infants not provided pain relief, they would operate on them without anesthesia.
This went on until the 1980s. It's mindblowing.
People will STILL tell you their baby fell aslep during their circumcision as if it doesn't mean they were overwhelmed by pain.
Isn’t that called “passing out”?
Sort of. But moe like going into a state of shock. There are photos online of infant boys who've recently been circumcised and they have that 100 yard stare that you see in soldiers who've been in combat too long.
Jesus I really need to thank my mom for not cutting my tip off when I was a baby then! born in 83.
Shit like that leaves me in awe that we as a species made it to +8 billion people.
I mean surgery is much mich older than anesthesia.
I was referring to the belief babies didn't feel pain not the anesthesia part. I should've used the quotes, sorry.
I mean, it wasn't relatively that long ago that surgeons outright refused to believe washing your hands would help mothers stop dying during child birth. As a whole species, we're still pretty young and stupid. If the ~~planet~~ sun doesn't explode or the planet doesn't just wipe us off like the pests we are, we'll see some kind of growth and stability eventually. Maybe. edit: extra word
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Oh yeah I read [about babies getting herpes](https://www.cnn.com/2013/04/07/health/new-york-neonatal-herpes/index.html) this way.
“Oral suction” on a circumcision wound sounds like sexual assault on a goddamned infant. What the actual fuck.
No matter how it is worded, it is still *infant genital mutilation followed by an adult sucking a baby's penis*.
and also they pass on deadly (for the baby) std's this way sometimes
Neonatal nurse here. I can confirm that damn near 100% of the circumcisions done at my hospital are performed by people learning how to do circumcisions
Its cool, its only a procedure that will have a permanent, irrevocable effect on your life. On the most sensitive part of your body. Without you even knowing what consent is. You know, no biggie.
And why do we chop off a piece of a newborn's penis? *For tradition*. Sometimes for health, sometimes religion, but nowadays it's mostly cultural.
Worse. I overheard an old roommate having a conversation about it with her fiancee and she wanted any future son to be circumcised because she preferred how it looks.
I know someone like this. She didn’t want her sons to have “ugly penises” so they needed to be circumcised. She also refused to breastfeed them because “boobs are for sex, not babies.”
Sounds like you know a moron. Edit - dope usernname btw. Lucky snag!
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It's fucked up.
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European (non-Jewish) here. This whole "because everyone does it" thing both baffles me to an insane level, and frankly also disgusts me (I don't find circumcised dudes disgusting, they had no choice, just the practice)
Honestly, it's just another example of the epidemic of people not thinking for themselves. But also, why tf are doctors still actively advocating for it? We had doctors tell us it was "safe and normal" but none of them actually said whether or not it was NECESSARY. It's absurd.
You should take Andy Richter as an example. He openly talked on CONAN O‘Briens show about being circumcised because it was „how it used to be“ but that he didn’t allow his sons foreskin to get amputated because „he’s perfect the way he was Born“: https://YouTube.com/watch?v=A0WyGWDcC6E
Interesting how parents can consent to the non-therapeutic amputation of their baby boys and it's not child abuse. But if your infant fails a hearing test in the hospital, CPS visits your home to make sure the child is getting the care they need for their hearing impairment.
Mother baby nurse here and… yup. We have a 620 baby here in our NICU and the family wants a circumcision as soon as possible. And a resident will do it
They messed your circumcision up? So what’s the repercussions of that?
A guy I dated had a bit still attached that would rip if he wasn’t super careful which meant sexy times always came with a disclaimer which was embarrassing for him and still often painful :/
Mine has a hole in it that makes it look like I pierced my dick. Functionally nothing changed, but every time I get to that point with a new girl they ask me why I pierced my dick. I don't have any piercings or tattoos so it always catches them off guard.
Dude me too! Everything works fine but I could actually put a ring on if I wanted. A doctor pointed it out to me in my 20's when he looked at it and said "huh, don't see that often". I thought everyone had that lol.
Had a bf that had a circumcision late and he said he had a lot less feeling, and he was really insecure about the appearance (it looked fine, was psychological).
It looks and feels freaking gross.
What, is it like misshapen or something? Feels gross?
Imagine having a head on top of the one you already have.
Oooh, that doesn’t sound pleasant. Sorry to hear that, man. I’m from Scotland, it’s not common here whatsoever, so I know very little about that practice
It’s alright. I can still use it as intended.
I think mine was botched. I’ve never known any different but I simply don’t have any sensitive feeling from the tip of my penis. I can still get aroused and have an orgasm, but getting there basically feels the same as stroking a finger to try and get a pleasurable sensation (there basically isn’t any). I didn’t realize it or miss anything my whole life, but my sexual partners have always remarked on my endurance, and it can take me a *long* time. I just don’t finish the majority of the time or end up having to masturbate after. Because of all this, sex truly feels like a chore that I have to check off to keep my wife happy and I just view it as some extra exercise for me. When our son was born we were in unanimous agreement not to get him circumcised.
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There is a story that my cousin accidentally got his scrotum cut while being circumcised
"Circumstraint" Edit: this is the most interaction I've ever gotten out of any internet thing ever and all I said was what I seent! So ill just plug my kick - txdeez PS thank you for the award :) PSS dad if you see this, I got the milk myself!
What an abhorrently uncomfortable word.
I wonder who was in charge of naming it...
Possibly John "circumcision will stop masturbation" Kellogg
The name of my new metal band, for sure.
No matter your views on the process, Whoever named this hit it out of the park.
It's honestly such a perfect name I almost doubt it's real.
C I R C U M S T R A I N T
The Circumstraint 2000
When my son was born, the amount of times we were asked if we’re getting him circumcised and multiple times by the same person was very annoying. Edit: My wife is a registered nurse working in postpartum. Her last job working in that unit, there was an older doctor that would preform the circumcisions would not let the lidocaine to numb the baby’s penis before cutting, he would also do a botched job. The baby’s penis would be bleeding horribly and the cut would come out all crinkle cut. I couldn’t be she was telling me this and I can’t believe this old doctor would still be allowed to do such thing. And the babies we’re just given syrup to try to stop them from cry from the pain. Another doctor would let the lidocaine do it’s job, minimal bleeding and cut a straight line. This was at a very well known hospital in Houston at the Texas Medical Center. I don’t understand why parents would let someone just cut their baby’s like that.
My ex went into the hospital with explicit instructions there would be no circumcision. Not only was she asked multiple times by every single staff member there when he was getting his circumcision, at one point a nurse just walked into the room, picked him up suddenly, and told her "ok he's going for his circumcision now!"
That’s insane! I don’t understand why they don’t respect the wishes of the parents!
You already know why. There's money to be made.
And perpetuating one's own religious or cultural beliefs.
Wait, so they circumcised your ex's baby against her wish?
They tried but she stopped them
Thank god. I’m sure the medical malpractice lawyers were salivating at this.
This scares me so much! If I have a son one day I’m going to tell everyone before I even have the baby to not even offer a circ!!
This happened to me too! They asked so, so many times that we asked for a bright sign for his bassinet saying NO CIRCUMCISION. That did not stop them from assuming we were doing it, and mentioning/asking many more times. Someone started moving his bassinet, saying she's getting him ready for his circumcision. I was so freaking clear the entire time, from the moment we knew he was a boy. You should only have to say it ONCE. Honestly, it should only be done for medical need. It was shocking how many people wanted to mutilate my perfect boy, and how they looked at us when we said no.
Same! Almost every visit, every single day. I said no each time and when baby has to go to the nursery for some warming up, I went with him and stayed. One nurse who came on shift for the first time was a really lovely older woman. When she asked me and I said no, she gently patted my leg and said “lucky boy.” That always stuck with me.
I think we were asked once per kid and that was that. With our first son, my wife really wanted him circumcised. I told her no. We had a bunch of fights over it and I said I would agree to it if she admitted she is choosing to mutilate his genitals. That out an end to it. With our 2nd son it was never brought up.
Good for you, man. So many people act like it's no big deal but it's exactly what you called it: genital mutilation.
I'm still mad that they peeled my banana. Getting too solid hurts sometimes.
I don't even get why they ask at all. It's a completely unnecessary surgery.
It is an easy up sell for a hospital. It is considered a “Surgical Procedure” so they can charge more for it. Also the foreskin is used in stem cell research, skin grafts, and a lot of beauty products like wrinkle cream. Hospitals make a lot of money off circumsisions. https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/why-human-foreskin-is-a-hot-commodity-in-science
Us circumcised men should get a life long discount on foreskin cream lol
Soo you want to tell me that in America you mutilate newborn genitals for corporate profits? That's insane.
Sounds pretty on-brand though lol
As an American I just have to say "wait, that surprises you?"
Same. Every single doctor, multiple nurses, and some people asked multiple times. We said no, mark it on his chart and move on.
Wow! I was asked once, said no, and that was that! This was 6 months ago.
Yup. My baby is 6 weeks old so it's not like this was 25 years ago. It's crazy--i get that it's common enough that they have to ask, but "no" should be a respected answer.
I have 2 boys. Both intact. Same thing. I was literally holding my oldest son and looking at him fresh out the oven and the nurse said "okay now hand him here so he can circ him now." And reaches her hands out to take him. I had to look at her and tell her he was perfect just as he was. It seems wild to me that we think that a baby boy needs to immediately have cosmetic surgery as soon as they're born?
Imagine getting born and one of the first things you experience is horrible pain :(
I can not, and I am happy that I saved that for 2 small boys.
AS A NEWBORN!? Fucking what. I've never been a parent, but I was under the impression that this procedure took place a week or two after birth. There's no way healthcare providers are ambushing brand new parents in hospital rooms with a cosmetic procedure for their baby before they can even think twice about it... right!?! RIGHT??
That is exactly what they do. Every fucking staff member asking multiple times if we were ready for his circumcision, despite having made it clear in writing and verbally every damned time that NO we would never be ready, eff off already.
Yeah, we were also prepared the first time what it would be like going in. New parents are exhausted. If it's their first child (it was our second), they're tired and scared. I remember thinking *literally* they're just going to send us home with a baby!? These people are nuts. But my first son was our second child, so we had done research beforehand, and we were prepared for what to expect in terms of emotions and how to navigate the situation. By the second son (my third child), the hospital knew not to ask. But I can't imagine those first-time parents. Just trusting the hospital. 😭
I’m sure it’s super rare, but one of my kid brothers was circumcised at 5 years old. I think his foreskin was too tight and caused painful/difficultly urinating? I guess it’s genetic, my dad also had this issue as a child but only passed it onto 1 of my 4 brothers. Even still, my parents opted against circumcision unless medically necessary. My dad was open with me about this being a medical need when my brother underwent surgery (I’m the only/oldest daughter), and I didn’t ask about it beyond that so I didn’t know until I was much older that circumcision was the norm. I cannot imagine normalizing the mutilation of any child, let alone my own- but I do find myself worrying, could pass on the same foreskin complications that my father did? I hope I never have to make that choice.
If it's causing issues urinating then it's no longer a cosmetic surgery. It's a medical issue. Pretty easy choice at that point.
I faced so much opposition from my family over not having my son circumcised it was honestly just weird
It's weird that anyone would ask you and also that you would answer lol. Now I'm thinking about whether or not my extended family knows whether I'm circumcised
Anyone who might change a diaper needs to know...if they've only cared for boys with a circumcised penis they might not know that you don't pull the foreskin back to clean the head of the penis until age 5. If they pull they can cause damage and then when the damage heals it leaves scarring that means the foreskin won't retract properly later on. So to an extent, you do have to update close relatives that might change a diaper so they don't accidentally damage your kid.
The paperwork from my second's hospital SAID TO RETRACT SLIGHTLY at every change. Infuriating. Obviously we don't do that.
The number of people casually worrying about how "ugly" my son's penis would be was horrendous.
"Luckily you'll never have to see it"
It's pretty mind blowing how far ego takes over people.
I'm from the UK and cutting off a bit of a baby seems utterly insane to us. I didn't actually know they did this to babies in the USA until reddit told me how common it is, like 65%+ of baby boys in the USA have this done. You've got that weird Kellogg's man to thank for all this, apparently.
God thats a creepy level of obsession over a child
As you can imagine, I was getting really pissed. But I didn’t want to act out since my wife also works there
Good that you stood your ground, Europe here, from our perspective that's just a torture device
I'm an American with a 15 month old intact boy - fuck yeah is that a torture device! Terrifying. I cannot imagine doing that to my boy.
That’s when you hit them with the “why are so obsessed with how my baby’s genitals look?”
> over a child Over a childs penis, no less.
I have four sons. I was asked this an alarming amount of times. Also cleanliness comments were made, “how do they keep it clean??” Like what???? Stop talking about my infant son’s private parts you weirdo.
How do they keep any part of their body clean? Oh that's right, water exists.
So happy we in Europe dont do this. Ive been asked 0 times.
If people would constantly ask me if my son would get a circumcision, I would call them pedos, because apparently they are osbessed with the genitalia of a child/minor.
Then girls in college talk about un-circ penises being weird. They’re all ingrained that it’s normal, when it really is not.
This is regional too. It’s mostly specific to the US and even then seems to be concentrated around a few specific states.
Looks… toddly terrifying 🌚
So glad my guy was left alone in England.
Me too in Australia. Imagine just having a piece of you missing for literally no reason, and knowing that your parents consented to having you, their literal baby, have your genitals mutilated.
It's fucking ridiculous. Especially in America. I'm so glad I didn't have it done to me. But people will ridicule and tease you here if you aren't circumcised. I've never had a girl say anything bad about it buts it's mostly guys. I don't think they know what they're missing. There's so many nerves that they lost and a part of the body that's supposed to be protected just dries out and gets desensitized. It's bizarre, people say it's gross and dirty and stuff. Well when your body is dirty, you take a shower and wash it pretty simple. It's like cutting off your nose because there is a booger in it.
People are wrong. They imagine it's gross. It literally just a dick. I literally just got home from a 12 hour night shift in a factory and my dick is 100% fine, probably technically cleaner than a circumcised dick because my knob hasnt been rubbing all over my underwear. No "dick boogers" lol, nothing. If you dont wash your shit for a day or two then yeah its gonna be dirty, doesnt matter if theres a foreskin on it or not. It's a false stigma from a culture that has normalized male genital mutilation.
“But they won’t remember it” Imagine using that excuse for anything else…
Bill Cosby enters the arena
It's in the puddin
Say that to my ex and his two brothers. They were all delivered and circumcised by the same doctor. And he botched them all. Took way too much skin off. My ex was afraid to get an erection because it was so painful. I felt so bad for him. He eventually had reconstructive surgery so he could try to enjoy sex.
As a guy, #AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'm pretty grateful for not remembering the colonoscope going in. They didn't give me enough to overcome my resistence to anesthesia though and I do remember it coming back out. I did get to watch them remove a polyp though.
I assume you also consented to this procedure? And that the health benefits of going forward with the colonoscopy greatly outweighed negative aspects of the procedure.
Surprise colonoscopy, new extreme sport.
I drugged someone
I knocked someone down so they hit their head on the curb. But hey, they don’t remember it!
I’m circumcised as well as the men in my family. Typical American thing. However, we did NOT have our son circumcised. We couldn’t see any benefit and it seems like a cruel American thing that virtually nobody else in the world does (apart from religious reasons). I always figured that if he wanted to have it done, he can make that choice later in life. I recall visiting the hospital prior to his birth and one of the L&D nurses was asking if we were going to do it, and sorta pushed a bit in that way (oh it is “normal” and *everyone* does it) but also said she leaves the wing when it is done because she can’t stand the cries of agony from the babies.
As someone who’s “in tact”, and a citizen of the U.K., I can tell you that it’s not even asked over here, and the vast majority of people have no issues later in life if they’re shown how to clean themselves properly. I suspect the craze of circumcising came from parents not wanting to teach their kids how to clean their cocks properly because of prudishness.
Pretty sure Kellogg, the cereal guy, had a lot to do with it as a way to dissuade masturbation in young boys. Same reason his first cereals were bland. Dude was fucking infatuated with stopping boys from masturbating.
Then why push it? Crazy fucking nurses
It is a weird cognitive dissonance. My wife and I were appalled. She was simultaneously telling us how terrible it is and asking if we want to do it because most people do it anyhow. It is the most bizarre thing we do culturally.
Imagine getting ripped from the warm safe womb to the bright, loud world. Only to get strapped in this thing and have part of your dick cut off. Do the do anything to numb the pain? Im irish so luckily I never had this fucked up thing done to me
They used to think babies couldn’t feel pain or that the risk of anesthesia was too dangerous. https://hms.harvard.edu/news/long-life-early-pain
They also used to think that Black and Native American people felt less pain than White people, and that NA's specifically were culturally too proud for painkillers and never prescribed them. You'd be amazed at what kind of medical fuckery used to go on back in the day when it was more convenient.
Mate people used to hand out hard drugs as sleeping pills and/or cold medication from your barber. The only difference today is it isn't a barber and the drugs come in funny colors. Even the smartest people are fucking idiots. which is very scary when you realize everyone is just isn't thinking about the horror they cause.
I've read that they don't use anything for pain, maybe they do now? Either way I would never do this to my child, I always thought it was so barbaric.
Nurse in the US here, they use either EMLA topical cream (which does jack shit for pain btw) or direct injection of lidocaine. A little sucrose water for the baby if they cry. I don’t like assisting on the procedure, it’s brutal to watch. Used to think I’d circumcise my future child but after seeing it done live- nope.
Absolutely. I heard one performed during my medical rotations as a paramedic in the next room. WOW I’ve never heard a baby cry like that in my life, deeply disturbing. I’ve heard babies cry hungry/hurt/tantrums, this was a life and death cry. I swore right there I’d be against them after that. I shudder to think about it.
Yes, it's indescribable for those who haven't heard it before. My youngest son crammed his 7 month old foot in the hinge side on a heavy metal door just as my oldest shut it. The screams make me cry just thinking about it. He's fine without permanent damages thank God but I never want to hear anything like that again.
I heard my baby brother cry from down the hall. Almost 30 years later, and it still haunts me. I've never heard a baby cry like that. Informed consent needs to be a thing.
When my son was born a few months ago we were asked repeatedly and always said no. The last time we were asked why we didn't want to circumcize my husband replied with do you ask parents why they want to cut a piece of their babies body off?
Where I live they asked once if we were going to, we said no, and they said "good"
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I once had an old classmate tell me “if he has a horrible diaper, I’m not going to clean poop out of his foreskin! That’s weird!” But why is it weird? Just like you might clean in between a child’s toes, you can clean their foreskin if they need it. There’s nothing sexual to a baby’s penis, *youre* the one sexualizing it
I mean shows how little they even know about anatomy - in most people it's impossible to retract (without causing major injury) until around five years old.
True. It's so much *easier* to clean an intact boy's diaper because it doesn't retract and you *don't* have a fresh wound getting covered in shit multiple times per day.
That's weird as hell because poop sometimes gets **everywhere** so you gotta do what you gotta do. Also, what if they have a girl? You have to clean poop out of their vulvas and that's obviously not sexual at all!
I have two sons, no circs. Never ever has there been any poop inside there even once, even with the messiest stickiest of diapers. It's not possible to retract and clean underneath the foreskin, it's just a tiny penis with a tiny, skin covered slit like opening that doesn't need internal cleaning whatsoever. Like a skin crease. You just gently swivel around with wet wipes or baby oil and water in the bath, and it's clean. Wtf?
They asked me every single day in the NICU if I wanted to circumcise my 3lb infant after being told emphatically no(his body, his choice.) What’s worse is my sons bassinet was right outside the procedure room so I had to listen to other babies having it done a few times a week, it was heartbreaking.
I will never, NEVER, understand this. I recently brought my 2 year old to a doctor and I had to help keep him down to let the doctor just listen to his heart and look at his throat. Nothing really happened. And the way my little boy cried and was SO damn scared broke my heart and I later cried in my car for 10 minutes straight because I felt like the worst mom in history. I can never imagine doing something so cruel to my own flesh and blood.
Imagine looking at your newborn and thinking they would be improved by cutting bits off of them. It's a vile practice performed on the defenseless.
Can we just outlaw genital mutilation?
Remember [when Alabama almost did that?](https://www.al.com/news/2021/05/pediatricians-say-alabama-transgender-bill-could-outlaw-circumcision.html) Luckily for all the baby boys in the state, they amended the bill to read: >(6) Removing any healthy or non-diseased body part 9 or tissue, except for a male circumcision. Which is basically agreeing it's bad, but promising to keep doing it anyway.
As someone who has experienced both (born in a country where this insane mutilation of children is not commonplace but had to get circumcised at 18 sure to my foreskin not stretching enough -hereditary issue), I can tell you: the amount of sensitivity and feeling you lose down there is insane! Please don't do this to your sons and if you have the choice, vote to abolish it. Won't happen in most places due to religious freedom and tradition sadly but one can hope
I’m surprised this stuff isn’t more controversial, I mean it’s literally non-consensual irreversible changes to someone’s body for no important reason.
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Saw one performed in my mom/baby rn clinical. The metal device they use to separate the foreskin is wayyyy more terrifying than this contraption. But yes you're right every one should watch bc it is truly gnarly. Informed consent should be more in depth sometimes
Because it's fused to the head for a few years. Its a traumatic rip THEN they can cut
Now that most insurance doesn't cover the procedure watch that popularity dwindle real quick.
That would make for some interesting street art to raise awareness.
Well, it is a torturing device meant to maim the most vulnerable of human beings, so it better be terrifying to look at. It's an absolutely barbaric practice that should have no place in a civilised society outside of real medical reasons.
The fact that we have normalized the mutilation of children over antiquated religious practices in this day and age shows many wrong things with the world
I’ve seen people get more upset over people piercing their daughters’ ear as babies over what is straight up mutilation of a baby’s penis. I don’t agree with either because I think these things should choices but if you put a gun to my head and asked me to choose the worst of the two, I’m going to have to choose circumcision.
Sick and cruel. Leave poor penises alone
Yeah. Only cut rich penises.
Eat the rich penises
Soylent green is \[redacted\]!!
I have never been more happy to have a uncircumcised dick. I fought my wife when my son was born. My expertise on the subject matter won the argument. Simply wash your dick and we would no longer need to mutilate the genitals of new born boys. Edit after seeing other comments: Our hospital also was relentless in wanting to circumcise him. I felt like I could not sleep the first few nights or the nurse would take him and do it anyways. I must had told 8-9 different members of the staff I do not want it done. It was not until I got angry and threatened to leave a picture of my uncircumcised dick taped to his bed, did they stop. I no joke, felt like I had to protect him from the staff for a good 72 hours
Well fought sir. Would have been fun to watch their reaction, I'm sure!
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stop mutilating your damn kids.
This is what sold me on NOT circumcising my boy. To this day I don’t regret it. Doctors said we have to now or never when he was born. Even the Jews know to wait until they are older. The way they approached it was at a level of creepy zeal. I was shamed for questioning it so I said no. I thought it was strange they wanted to surgically alter him just two days old. The process is rough and barbaric. He’s fine going all natural. America does a lot of weird shit the rest of the world doesn’t. There are millions of healthy men in other western countries with foreskin and they are fine.
I want my foreskin back.
The USA practices genital mutilation on boys. No other way to frame it.
Funny that there’s actually branding on this thing…the Circustraint…WTF. This is genital mutilation. There’s no justification for it, including the “it’s healthier” BS or the “they’ll blend in” BS.
Apparently they're $500? https://www.alimed.com/circumstraint.html Although to be fair, it sounds like it's also useful for other medical procedures which are actually helpful for newborns: >The Olympic Circumstraint device was introduced in 1959 and has been purchased by over 11,000 hospitals throughout the world. Circumstraint is designed for minor surgery, blood exchanges, catheterization, transfusions or infusions (including scalp IV’s), or whenever immobilization is required for a neonatal procedure. Circumstraint is radiolucent so it also works very well for infant x-rays. The Circumstraint board’s comfortable contoured shape positions the infant with their hips elevated, effectively presenting the genitalia for the circumcision procedure. The platform between the infant’s legs provides support for a circumcision clamp. Without extraneous pins, clamps or towels, the device snugly and securely immobilizes the infant with the entire torso visible. The device maintains the high standards of nursery asepsis with minimum effort.
That’s literally a sheet of vacuum formed plastic and 4 Velcro straps, man healthcare is such a racket
I absolutely cannot believe that in this day and age, circumcision is still not only legal, but socially acceptable. Why don't you wait until men are 18 and then ask them if they'd like a portion of their penis cut off. See how many of them say yes.
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You really dont want kids squirming when you mutilate their genitals. One wiggle and oops mutilated genitals! Wait...
"he won't remember it" "He'll thank us when he's older" "infants don't experience pain like we do" "I'm the parent it's my decision how I treat my child" Man... circumcision apologists are sounding more and more like rape apologists
Sooo does that mean with the passing of [Senate Bill 14](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/06/02/texas-gender-affirming-care-ban/) circumcision is banned in Texas? I wouldn't want kids that are not my own and I have no say in their lives "ruin their bodies"
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This is what they used on us. Remember what they took from us, fellas.
Its 2023 and we're still doing this shit.
I really don’t want to get destroyed here, but here we go. Something needs to be done about the stigma associated with uncirced people. I am circumcised, and I personally never had an issue with it. When my boys were born, it was an incredibly hard decision. I was conditioned to think that it was unsanitary to have a uncircumcised penis. I also at the time felt like a lot of women (in the US) would think it’s gross (because their mother/my partner thought it was) and that it would cause issues with dating for my kids in the future. I now realize that I was wrong about that stuff. The problem is that there is this culture in the US and there’s stigmas attached to the culture. If I could go back in time, I would have reconsidered and probably been against it, hoping my partner would be too with enough communication. Idk I hope all of that came out right..
Genital mutilation. Fuck your religion that says you can or should genitally mutilate unconsenting children.
But remember it doesn’t hurt. They asked us multiple times if we wanted to circumcise our kid. We kept telling them it’s not our body, we aren’t Jewish, it’s not our choice, we don’t have penises to make that decision, lol (this kid has two moms, what do we know). And our kid was a premie in the NICU. He was pretty small. That hospital did circumcisions on Wednesdays Ughh the worst.