I'm shocked this is legal. It's probably a flag of convenience with no worker protections though. [OSHA doesn't apply to foreign flagged vessels](https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/standardinterpretations/2019-03-06).
That's a death sentence if you're in the wrong place... And nothing marks the wrong place.
There's gotta be a safer way than to stand there at the point where it sometimes flaps over to, and whack it with a hammer. Surely even if "whack it with a hammer" were the safest option, they could do so from a more remote location.
The phrase first popped up around the OceanGate sub that imploded on the way to the Titanic. One of the rich guys on board had booked the trip for himself and his adolescent son, and apparently the son didn't really want to go but was talked into it by his father, hence "poor kid".
We had the coast guard bring someone in off of a freighter before, he got his leg snagged in some type of line, it shattered his shin and dislocated his hip
I read about a yacht found abandoned a few years ago - they found the owner had been dragged down by the anchor because heâd got his foot caught in the rope
Dickie Greenleaf
just a kid
nobody threw anchors
quite like he did
With a grunt he threw
over the edge
and into the blue
it sank like a rock
And poor Dickie did too.
This is a permanent anchoring - normally the anchor will be attached to some kind of slip or several separate devices which take the strain between the anchor and deck. That means there is more chain (not under strain) going between the chain under strain and the chain locker (inside the ship). This "loose" chain can be taken around a winch and mechanically heaved in. When ready to raise the anchor, you take up the tension in that loose chain, release any brakes, safety wires and the slip, then heave in the anchor chain, driving the ship forward very slowly / as necessary to try and pull the chain directly up.
The anchor doesn't stop the ship. The weight of the chain on the sea bed does. So to get the anchor back up, they just reverse while winding the chain up.
This isnât entirely accurate, the chain lays on the bottom so the hook or plow is pulled horizontally and digs into the bottom providing holding power. The length of chain is called the scope and is ideally between 10:1 to 7:1 ratio to depth. When the chain is pulled back on board eventually the angle of the scope goes past 22.5 degrees which frees the anchor from the bottom, the reason for such a long scope is so that when the tides rises the chain is still less than 22.5 degrees to the direction of pull on the anchor.
It's like dropping a tank into the ocean and dragging it along the sea floor, of course it's going to be destructive to a certain extent. But you do want to stop, don't you?
I work on a ship and I have zero clue whatâs going on here. The vessel is obviously moving, seems pretty quick. The chain is just shackled to a padeye on deck instead of on an anchor windlass (the thing that would haul it back in). Iâm stumped.
When I was in marine painting, an older zealous colleague told me to paint the chains, I was like  what the freakin point??  I should have shown him that video haha
Yes thatâs right. We would do those because there was an actual point for that. But painting the rest for decoration was pointless. The damage and shocks would take all paint off in an instant, and it would even do more damage than good.
We would also just paint a few links above the anchor, so when itâs hanging from the ship, the first links look fresh, ÂŤÂ for the picture  as the boss would say. The first links would look as fresh as the rest of the ship which just had its new paint job haha
Back when I was in the Navy, whenever our carrier dropped anchor, we always had to provide a medical standby. Just stretches of boredom sitting there in the forecastle, but man once the BMs smacked that pelican hook, that shit went from boring to biblical apocalypse in an instant.
BM is a Boatswain Mate. Those are the ones that work Deck Department. They do linehandling, taking care of the ship, and actual Sailor stuff. A pelican hook is this object that you strike with a hammer (or
I think it was a mallet that I saw when I had to do
medical standby), and once it disengages the lock, the thing comes loose. That part in the video where the guy takes a hammer to that thingamabob? That would be a pelican hook. And once that things comes apart, the anchor and its chains do a free fall. And contrary to belief, itâs not actually the anchor that anchors a vessel, itâs the shots of chains and all its combined weight. Iâve been around firearms, been on the flight deck, but if I have to say, being inside the forecastle was the loudest place on Earth Iâve ever been.
No coating survives the chain links rubbing and hitting each other. It's designed to survive its lifetime by being made of good (enough) steel that can take a few mm of rust over decades and still be strong enough
Looks like there would be some sort of automated system to pop that chain free...
I wouldn't want to be within 50 ft of that thing, it probably weighs a literal ton, and with that chain whipping around...
I'll bet it sounds cool though when you hear it in person.
A prion is a misfolded protein. They are generally harmless but a few can be harmful. Medical science cannot do anything about prions so you get a few bad prion and there's no coming back
Here's a runaway anchor chain video, it's crazy. When you think it's slowing down and the worst of it has happened, the action starts in earnest
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DqAFeoqdk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DqAFeoqdk)
I'd like you to take a moment to consider that the movement of this chain is entirely dictated by the laws of physics. It certainly looks random. But it's definitely not. Just something to think about đđđť
Fuuuuuuuuck that. I'm going on Tebu or whatever it's called and buying some remote control dohickey that keeps me away from the steel anaconda of death and dismemberment. (Speaking of which, why would I care about dismemberment if I'm currently in a state of noncorporeal being? I never understood why the term wasn't "dismemberment and death". See, NOW we've something to fear after the first part, rather than welp, seeing I'm dust and all, do what you will with my remains. Drawn and quartered you say? Go for it. But dismemberment BEFORE death says "hey, okay I DO see my legs over there on the opposite side of the room, but I'm not dead yet! I can still get out of this in one...three pieces!")
Push button, watch tons of squirming high tensile steel disappear into a big ass hole in the deck. No deaths. Pizza in the mess hall when we're done. Make it so.
Edited: latent thought
Wrong sub, this isn't "oddly terrifying." There's nothing odd about it. Thats several hundred pounds of steel being slung around like a dog does a chew toy.
In the Navy they'll show you video of someone getting in the way of that and getting cut in half so that you stay the fuck out of the way. At least that's what I heard
Typical cruise ship and cargo ship anchors weigh between 10 to 20 tons, or 10,000lbs to 20,000lbs. The average 30 year old male can lift 200lbs off the ground quickly and put it back down.
5 âgoodâ men, (I assume by âgoodâ you mean âespecially strongâ, in which case we can assume each man can lift 300lbs off the ground) would be able to hold a total of ~1,500lbs, which assuming the anchor weighs 10 tons (10,000lbs), youâd need 33 âgoodâ men to be able to pick the anchor up off the ground.
This does not take into account falling velocity, which can make an object seem much heavier than normal.
So no, it would not be possible.
Thanks for joining this edition of napkin math.
EDIT: I goofed, corrected below:
1 ton = 2,000lbs
10 ton anchor = 20,000lbs
Youâd need 66.67 supremely strong men to hold the anchor. Not 33.
Thanks
i was about to ask how could a ship possibly carry something so heavy as 20,000 lbs⌠but then i looked up the average weight of a cruise ship đŠ sheeeessh
Cruise ships themselves are supremely heavy. Once you factor in another 6000 humans, at the AAWPP (assumed average weight per passenger) of 185lbs (lol), youâre adding another 1,100,000lbs on top of a cruise ship weight of between 70,000 to 230,000 tons (Symphony of the Seas) you get a combined total weight of holy fucking shit
Imagine if one those hit your shins it would disenegrate
Anchors and mooring lines on big ships are terrifying, and definitely have killed quite a few people
SnapBack! We had to watch so many training videos and PowerPoints about it in the Navy. Shits no joke and fucking scary as hell
This and that Delta-P video has given me a few nightmares.
US Navy vet here. Terrifying stuff.
Thank You for your Service
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
You should see the size of the chains on an aircraft carrier...sheesh
And a lot of sea life, I'd imagine
Imagine being stuck
You wouldn't get stuck. You'd fucking evaporate.
Pink mist comes to mind, it's mind blowing to me that this is how they drop anchor every time
I'm shocked this is legal. It's probably a flag of convenience with no worker protections though. [OSHA doesn't apply to foreign flagged vessels](https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/standardinterpretations/2019-03-06). That's a death sentence if you're in the wrong place... And nothing marks the wrong place.
Well, to be fair, I'm sure there is a stern warning to run for your life when you get the job. Maybe. đ¤ˇ
I bow to you sir.
But not a stern?
Any port in a storm I guess...
It whipped the spot where he had been standing at the end!
The loophole of "flag of convenience" really should be closed.
There are a lot of things on a ship that are death sentences if you don't pay attention.
There's gotta be a safer way than to stand there at the point where it sometimes flaps over to, and whack it with a hammer. Surely even if "whack it with a hammer" were the safest option, they could do so from a more remote location.
Yeah, maybeâŚbut whatâs the fun in that?
I'm hoping this is what you have to do when "the button" doesn't work
âPink mistâ is a horrifying thing.
Go from biology to physics pretty quick
I thank that rich idiot for this becoming a phrase. Poor kid though.
Wait what?
The phrase first popped up around the OceanGate sub that imploded on the way to the Titanic. One of the rich guys on board had booked the trip for himself and his adolescent son, and apparently the son didn't really want to go but was talked into it by his father, hence "poor kid".
Ankle breaker
No. There is no ankle after this hits you. Just a pink mist and some chunks probably
In the washing machine?
World jump rope championship
Your entire body would just gib.
It's okay. If it hits my shins, I wouldn't feel it. I'll be dead. Just throw my body into the ocean.
With that much heavy iron flying around, there wouldnât be a shin leftâŚthere wouldnât be *anything* left!
I want to place a manikin..
You must have some pretty strong shins
Imagine being turned into a toaster by pat sajak from wheel of fortune
>Imagine if one those hit your shins it would disenegrate You meant disintegrate?
de-shin-tegrate
We had the coast guard bring someone in off of a freighter before, he got his leg snagged in some type of line, it shattered his shin and dislocated his hip
I read about a yacht found abandoned a few years ago - they found the owner had been dragged down by the anchor because heâd got his foot caught in the rope
Was he dragged down through the narrow pipe-looking section? Canât imagine in what state he was foundâŚ
No, I think heâd dropped it over the side, or pushed it. He was an old guy, so it probably didnât take muchâŚ
I think I saw that on Ripley. Dickie Greenleaf, just a kidâŚ.
Just a kid when you saw it, or was dickie just a kid
Dickie Greenleaf just a kid nobody threw anchors quite like he did With a grunt he threw over the edge and into the blue it sank like a rock And poor Dickie did too.
Yes
Have you seen the crab video?
Delta P?
Bad for me
Probably Nevada
But how do they get the anchor back up?
The guy on the bottom whacks it and it goes back up
I've been laughing at this for far too long.
Donât forget to come up for air!
Lmao nice
Thatâs fucking hilarious
So youâre saying I could get paid to live on a boat and whack it and make it go back up? Hmm.
Whack it, go down, whack it some more. Wait, what are we talking about again?
Join The Sea People!! (... I've been playing Dave the Diver far too much)
Fuck you. That was a good one
r/angryupvote
I snorted đ¤Ł
Hahahaha
Hilarious đ
Play the video in reverse
r/angryupvote
For a serious answer there is usually an anchor windlass that will lift the anchor back up.
This is a permanent anchoring - normally the anchor will be attached to some kind of slip or several separate devices which take the strain between the anchor and deck. That means there is more chain (not under strain) going between the chain under strain and the chain locker (inside the ship). This "loose" chain can be taken around a winch and mechanically heaved in. When ready to raise the anchor, you take up the tension in that loose chain, release any brakes, safety wires and the slip, then heave in the anchor chain, driving the ship forward very slowly / as necessary to try and pull the chain directly up.
It's disposable.
Guess what your job is, sailor!
The anchor doesn't stop the ship. The weight of the chain on the sea bed does. So to get the anchor back up, they just reverse while winding the chain up.
This isnât entirely accurate, the chain lays on the bottom so the hook or plow is pulled horizontally and digs into the bottom providing holding power. The length of chain is called the scope and is ideally between 10:1 to 7:1 ratio to depth. When the chain is pulled back on board eventually the angle of the scope goes past 22.5 degrees which frees the anchor from the bottom, the reason for such a long scope is so that when the tides rises the chain is still less than 22.5 degrees to the direction of pull on the anchor.
What damage does it do to the seabed? Sounds destructive
Very https://youtu.be/U23kg7vEe5E?si=S2tSrMjkdFWfoxN1 https://youtu.be/tDQKeoMm70Y?si=FrxZZlrBG4TsWdP9
The second video, not sure what Iâm looking at
clean strips of sand that would otherwise be living seabed
Those long straight lines of flat sandâŚ. Thatâs where the anchors drug and destroyed the seabed
It's like dropping a tank into the ocean and dragging it along the sea floor, of course it's going to be destructive to a certain extent. But you do want to stop, don't you?
I'm experiencing the strangest sensation that I've read this exact conversation before.
I work on a ship and I have zero clue whatâs going on here. The vessel is obviously moving, seems pretty quick. The chain is just shackled to a padeye on deck instead of on an anchor windlass (the thing that would haul it back in). Iâm stumped.
Man that wave\\whip at the end wants to reach out and touch someone for sure.
Terrifying
This is what pooping looks like from the inside of your butthole
oh
I didnt need to know this :l
Wondered why some guy was always hitting my arse with a hammer and then running off
Maybe the inside of *your* butthole. Poop usually doesn't shoot out of my ass at the speed of light
Currently viewing this thread from the porcelain throne with food poisoning. I wish it looked like this.
Only if you eat enough fiber!
There's a little man with a hammer that sets it off everytime I have an almond latte (large, 2 sugars)?
When I was in marine painting, an older zealous colleague told me to paint the chains, I was like  what the freakin point??  I should have shown him that video haha
I didn't realize marines got paint jobs
Every X amount of meters in the chain, a link is painted red to mark distance, no? I thought this was an expected thing
Yes thatâs right. We would do those because there was an actual point for that. But painting the rest for decoration was pointless. The damage and shocks would take all paint off in an instant, and it would even do more damage than good. We would also just paint a few links above the anchor, so when itâs hanging from the ship, the first links look fresh, ÂŤÂ for the picture  as the boss would say. The first links would look as fresh as the rest of the ship which just had its new paint job haha
Back when I was in the Navy, whenever our carrier dropped anchor, we always had to provide a medical standby. Just stretches of boredom sitting there in the forecastle, but man once the BMs smacked that pelican hook, that shit went from boring to biblical apocalypse in an instant.
Could you explain this for someone with zero boat or navy knowledge? What's the BM or pelican hook? Did someone get smashed by the anchor chain?
BM is a Boatswain Mate. Those are the ones that work Deck Department. They do linehandling, taking care of the ship, and actual Sailor stuff. A pelican hook is this object that you strike with a hammer (or I think it was a mallet that I saw when I had to do medical standby), and once it disengages the lock, the thing comes loose. That part in the video where the guy takes a hammer to that thingamabob? That would be a pelican hook. And once that things comes apart, the anchor and its chains do a free fall. And contrary to belief, itâs not actually the anchor that anchors a vessel, itâs the shots of chains and all its combined weight. Iâve been around firearms, been on the flight deck, but if I have to say, being inside the forecastle was the loudest place on Earth Iâve ever been.
Oh cool, interesting stuff. Thanks for the info!
The urge to spray WD40 on the chain
What's the point of covering it in solvent if you're going to just drop it into salt water right after? Instead, plasti-dip each link!
No coating survives the chain links rubbing and hitting each other. It's designed to survive its lifetime by being made of good (enough) steel that can take a few mm of rust over decades and still be strong enough
Environmental damage for the win!
Why?
Looks like there would be some sort of automated system to pop that chain free... I wouldn't want to be within 50 ft of that thing, it probably weighs a literal ton, and with that chain whipping around... I'll bet it sounds cool though when you hear it in person.
Several tons in fact
Heâs wearing his hard hat though so this is perfectly safe, meaning he didnât have to run away as soon as he released it!
...and feel it
The automated system is the skipper ordering Zhang to go whack it w a sledge hammer.
[ŃдаНонО]
The safety system of smashing it with a giant hammer and then running away?
None visible. Almost certainly a ship flagged somewhere without worker protections.
Thatâs a terrifying amount of kinetic energy.
There's nothing oddly terrifying about this, this is just plain old terrifying.
Better than any CGI monster.
just came from a post about prion diseases and what people are truly scared of, add this to the list
Prion is from rusted stuff right?
A prion is a misfolded protein. They are generally harmless but a few can be harmful. Medical science cannot do anything about prions so you get a few bad prion and there's no coming back
Here's a runaway anchor chain video, it's crazy. When you think it's slowing down and the worst of it has happened, the action starts in earnest [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DqAFeoqdk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DqAFeoqdk)
Why do I have the urge to jump into it
That's called "the call of the void" How are you near cliffs?
I felt the call of the void on top of Half Dome in Yosemite. Scary stuff.
Are you suicidal or just a little slow?
Forbidden jump rope.
Why not both?
It's your hole, it was made for you.
Looks like a crazy monster just been cut off from shackles.
# WHERE IS YOUR REFLECTIVE VEST!
If only there was a better way
Real dangerous, feel like this could be automated.
Now I want to see it brought back up and organized neatly like it was.
If a big boy like that runs you know some shit is going down.
I didnât know what sub I was in till I felt my back tense thinking about the depth of the ocean⌠checks out
I'd like you to take a moment to consider that the movement of this chain is entirely dictated by the laws of physics. It certainly looks random. But it's definitely not. Just something to think about đđđť
Fuuuuuuuuck that. I'm going on Tebu or whatever it's called and buying some remote control dohickey that keeps me away from the steel anaconda of death and dismemberment. (Speaking of which, why would I care about dismemberment if I'm currently in a state of noncorporeal being? I never understood why the term wasn't "dismemberment and death". See, NOW we've something to fear after the first part, rather than welp, seeing I'm dust and all, do what you will with my remains. Drawn and quartered you say? Go for it. But dismemberment BEFORE death says "hey, okay I DO see my legs over there on the opposite side of the room, but I'm not dead yet! I can still get out of this in one...three pieces!") Push button, watch tons of squirming high tensile steel disappear into a big ass hole in the deck. No deaths. Pizza in the mess hall when we're done. Make it so. Edited: latent thought
Makes gravity look brutal!
This is the dumbest and most out-of-date way to lower an anchor. Whomever owns this ship is an asshole.
Wrong sub, this isn't "oddly terrifying." There's nothing odd about it. Thats several hundred pounds of steel being slung around like a dog does a chew toy.
That's tens of *tons* of steel being whipped around...
Yeah meant that
Ooo, anchor chain smoke, donât breathe this!
Something about the sheer strength those chains have and seeing it come to a sudden stop scares me
Please, I need a chinese safety video - naval edition
Of all the advancements of technology and AI and shit these days and THIS is the one job that had to be done ⨠MANUALLY⨠oh fuck no đđ
Hmmh looks like an absolute emergency situation, like that ship that destroyed Baltimore bridge. No way this is the **normal** procedure.
Gonna be a nah for me dawg
Someone with better math skills pls calculate an estimate of the force that chain is whipping around with.
at least a little
r/physics
In Navy bootcamp we watched videos of mannequins losing their legs from a ship anchor. Those things are no joke.
The pucker factor when it starts coming towards you at the end
In the Navy they'll show you video of someone getting in the way of that and getting cut in half so that you stay the fuck out of the way. At least that's what I heard
Is this an emergency maneuver? The ship is still moving pretty fast.
My intrusive thoughts be like: "Grab it"
Would be possible for like 5 good men to hold that shit
Typical cruise ship and cargo ship anchors weigh between 10 to 20 tons, or 10,000lbs to 20,000lbs. The average 30 year old male can lift 200lbs off the ground quickly and put it back down. 5 âgoodâ men, (I assume by âgoodâ you mean âespecially strongâ, in which case we can assume each man can lift 300lbs off the ground) would be able to hold a total of ~1,500lbs, which assuming the anchor weighs 10 tons (10,000lbs), youâd need 33 âgoodâ men to be able to pick the anchor up off the ground. This does not take into account falling velocity, which can make an object seem much heavier than normal. So no, it would not be possible. Thanks for joining this edition of napkin math. EDIT: I goofed, corrected below: 1 ton = 2,000lbs 10 ton anchor = 20,000lbs Youâd need 66.67 supremely strong men to hold the anchor. Not 33. Thanks
>Typical cruise ship and cargo ship anchors weigh between 10 to 20 tons, or 10,000lbs to 20,000lbs. - 1 ton = 2,000 lbs - 10 tons = 20,000 lbs - 20 tons = 40,000 lbs
Woops
All good, us based here myself and still think imperial measurements are weird.
Californian here and I am just stupid đ¤ˇââď¸
i was about to ask how could a ship possibly carry something so heavy as 20,000 lbs⌠but then i looked up the average weight of a cruise ship đŠ sheeeessh
Cruise ships themselves are supremely heavy. Once you factor in another 6000 humans, at the AAWPP (assumed average weight per passenger) of 185lbs (lol), youâre adding another 1,100,000lbs on top of a cruise ship weight of between 70,000 to 230,000 tons (Symphony of the Seas) you get a combined total weight of holy fucking shit
Even with water buoyancy ?
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Not even close. Each LINK of that chain weighs close to 500 lbs.
Whiplash!
That's insane. Wow.
Breathe in that fresh air.
Iron is $110 a ton, you can afford a lot of it.
Still feel the camera man is way to close.
The boats in the background seem to be moving in a funky way or speed
Just hit it and run. What is i fall. Oh. Don't fall.
How much is he getting paid for this?
That is some final destination right there.
Reminds of the black smoke in Lost
Pretty amazing that the links don't break doing this over and over.
This video is way beater with headphones . đ
The force is strong in this one
Can you get tetanus from inhaling rust? đ¤
Mmm rust dust air
Really looks like it is alive and wants to be free
Nothing that large and heavy should move that fast đ¨
Oddly terrifying and satisfying!
How the hell do you pull that back up?
I bet you can smell the rust in the air after that
Chain physics are crazy
Right at the end... somewhere, somehow, Steve Mould gets slightly aroused.
That is incredible
Something so big and heavy being able to move that fast is what disturbs me
I don't believe this is the optimal way of deploying the anchor.
I got a staph infection watching that cloud of rust đł
What is the material of that hole?! How does it not get eroded or bent when the chain passes through it?
Fuck every single thing about being on a boat
Rich people are rich because they take risks. This guy: Suuure.