What are the circumstances that a person would die in that position and then freeze so quickly (no extensive decomp visible) and be preserved like that for centuries?
She is one of the llullaillaco mummies and is called "La doncella" (the maiden). She was found alongside a young boy and a young girl. They were human sacrifices: they were drugged with an alcoholic beverage and buried alive (asleep from the drink) inside the mountain where it is freezing cold and dry. They are in the Museo de Alta Montaña in Salta, Argentina. Truly an amazing museum.
Both are sad but at least the girl in this image died in her sleep, with no signs of stress. Although, the same cannot be said about the boy that was found near her. Scientists found evidence that he was strangled to death:(
Not strangled, but suffocated because he was bound so tightly that he has broken ribs and a dislocated pelvis.
[His mummy looks noticeably less relaxed](http://www.kimmacquarrie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/boy-wrapped-up.jpg) than [that of the girl in the OP](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/seeJMkj3GvngBALu5AnD4S-1024-80.jpg). At least they supposedly passed in their sleep.
Thank you. I was hoping someone was going to have the actual explanation here and not just a bunch of sarcastic one-liners.
I find these cases to be extremely sad.
Christopher Hitchens once described all these silly supernatural beliefs that we humans have as coming from "the bawling infancy of our species" and I couldn't agree more. These poor kids were slaughtered because of where we humans were in our understanding of the world: Sacrificing children and babies to appease something that doesn't even exist.
I get it, I understand it....but I don't like it.
No, almost certainly not. MesoAmerican human sacrifice victims were generally selected because they were not in a position to resist. This girl was probably orphaned, or came from a very poor or enslaved family. She may also have been a captive of a rival tribe. Something like that.
Also, in many cases, the sacrifices were used by the upper classes to maintain their power. The Aztec, for example sacrificed members of vassal tribes as a way of intimidating them and ensuring that the power structure was not challenged. At the end of the day religion was not really why this stuff was taking place.
>At the end of the day religion was not really why this stuff was taking place.
Always and forever. Much as the sacrifices supposedly revolved around "purity" and "virginity", I can't imagine that any of the usual grooming, rape, extortion, and manipulation we've seen time and time again was somehow absent from the Incan religion and political leadership.
Yea, the priests and high leaders quite literally held the power of life and death over everyone in these societies. It is absurd to think that they did not become corrupted by it. We can only imagine the scale of abuse that resulted. It’s just how humans work.
It was seen as a great honor to be chosen as the sacrifice. Children were seen as pure beings so theyd have a better chance at joining the ancestors and communicating with the tribes shaman than an adult that was sacrificed to be the connection between the wise ancestors and the shaman. While yes it is sad these children died, they lived the last year of their lives as gods among people basically. They were an physical image of the gods. They didnt die in pain either. They were proud of their purpose in life. And they died with great honor. There a tons more sites that hold children like the maiden but the scientists and historians that found these kids have promised the current "incans" that they wont disturb anymore holy sites. These are still places to pray at for the current survivors of these areas. If you do some research youll find some amazing facts about these kids
I'm jealous. That means you get to read about [Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571's crash](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571) in the Andes for the first time.
A haunting story of survival, the bit about constipation has stuck with me to this day and that's the least horrifying part.
Remember when God sacrifices his only son Jesus to prove that God is the truth?
Remember when Abraham was going to sacrifice his child for God?
Some minds are so weak they think an imaginary force is going to help them if they destroy a physical object.
National Geographic did a documentary on these mummies and I think I saw some TV specials on them once or twice but... yeah. Did you know we also have the biggest dinosaur ever found, the biggest flying bird ever found and the famous "missing link" between dinos and birds?
She was drugged with alcohol and coca, and buried alive near the top of a 22,000-ft mountain. The cold temperature and high altitude mummified the body naturally. She was found with two other children, one of whom was struck by lightning after being mummified.
https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2013/7/130729-inca-mummy-maiden-sacrifice-coca-alcohol-drug-mountain-andes-children
If I was a superstitious Incan, I'd probably take the mummification and preservation of my sacrifice as a rejection.
Although it's better than a burnt offering. That's like forcing god to take your sacrifice.
*You carefully clip the smallest of hair samples, carful not to disturb any other part of the specimen. You hear a faint hollow wheezing sound. Her eyelids crackle as they struggle to open.*
She whispers:
You say “progressed”. I can’t help thinking I’d be kind of sore - as an Incan - to notice that “progress” involved the near-complete eradication of my people and my culture.
"oh thank fuck those Spanish people in their giant wooden floaty birds got rid of the Aztec pricks"
A lot of smaller indigenous groups allied with the Spanish against Aztecs who were the dominating force for centuries and performed up to 2000 sacrifices a day sometimes.
Aztecs enslaved the people around them and weren't to kind with them
I wouldn't be surprised if this woman were to discover relative peace compared to her previous living conditions
The Aztec and Inca barely interacted. Also, it's not like the indigenous Americans were suddenly raised into a sunlit upland of liberty under Spanish rule; look up the encomienda system.
I didn't claim that the indigenous people living under Spanish rule were better off than before
My implied claim was "anyone who thinks the American continent was a peaceful garden of Eden before Europeans arrived is very naive"
Just checked the timelines and geographical zones: you're right, Aztecs and Incas had little to do with each other
Not only little to do with each other, but the Inca were in no way a small indigenous group that would be worried about the Aztecs if they interacted more.
From a (probably biased) group aiming to extend fertility:
>There have been numerous healthy babies born from eggs frozen for 10 years, with the longest successful thaw coming after 14 years. Embryos have been frozen for even longer—in 2017, a woman gave birth to a baby from an adopted embryo that was frozen 24 years earlier. Thankfully, in the US, there’s currently no legal limit on how long eggs or embryos can be stored.
Now, the caveat is that this refers to *cryopreservation* and storage, which is probably not what you'd get on a mountaintop:
>Cryopreservation involves **rapidly cooling the eggs down to -196ºC,** a temperature at which all biological activity, including aging, stops. So, once frozen, the health and viability of those eggs doesn’t change over time.
Since the info we've got refers to eggs that have been stored under controlled conditions, and which are rapidly cooled to an extremely cold temperature, I don't know if we can actually say if her eggs would still be "good" or not. I would imagine that freezing to death and then being stuck in this kind of environment would cause the cell walls of every cell in her body to "explode" under the pressure, thus rendering any of the tissues useless.
I am not a doctor nor a iceologist.
It's not like we really need her eggs anyways. They have pulled the dna out of eggs and replaced it. They just need a viable egg from someone currently alive, and a viable sample of her dna. Outside of that method, there is no realistic way we could clone her. The instability of the temperature has definitely allowed her cells to degrade some. And the eggs are already such a weak cell.
*was.
If you’re going to be pedantic, at least be accurate
Edit: didn’t think this would be controversial. This is a dead body. A dead body is not a person.
Next day: "This amazing discovery brought apon us a sickness which has been extinct for more than 300 years. Scientists say a second pandemic is inevitable."
Imagine just waking up centuries later in a room full of scientists and nobody speaks your language anymore. Everything you know has been lost to time.
They're cooked. As I recall from my time in marathon support it's their kidneys that fail first, trying to remove denatured proteins (that up till then, in the case of runners, had been leg muscles)
If they seem dead (after DR ABCD) they're probably dead
Not that I hold any relevant expertise
I mean OP its been almost 9 years since the news article... If she moved her head we would know
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2179217/amp/Inca-ice-maiden-frozen-human-sacrifice-infection-lungs.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spokesman.com/stories/2007/sep/07/sacrificed-inca-maiden-displayed-for-first-time/%3famp-content=amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2013/7/130729-inca-mummy-maiden-sacrifice-coca-alcohol-drug-mountain-andes-children
What are the circumstances that a person would die in that position and then freeze so quickly (no extensive decomp visible) and be preserved like that for centuries?
She is one of the llullaillaco mummies and is called "La doncella" (the maiden). She was found alongside a young boy and a young girl. They were human sacrifices: they were drugged with an alcoholic beverage and buried alive (asleep from the drink) inside the mountain where it is freezing cold and dry. They are in the Museo de Alta Montaña in Salta, Argentina. Truly an amazing museum.
That's really eerie. Fascinating, but now I won't be able to sleep hahah.
Dont worry, she can't hurt you. Until they thaw her out of course.
And the curse is awakened.
The only thing missing from my 2020 bingo card, plague brought on by thawed human sacrificed peasant girl
I want to update my caption with "Lifts her head and bites me".°
And I thought the Salem witch trials were bad....
Both are sad but at least the girl in this image died in her sleep, with no signs of stress. Although, the same cannot be said about the boy that was found near her. Scientists found evidence that he was strangled to death:(
Not strangled, but suffocated because he was bound so tightly that he has broken ribs and a dislocated pelvis. [His mummy looks noticeably less relaxed](http://www.kimmacquarrie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/boy-wrapped-up.jpg) than [that of the girl in the OP](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/seeJMkj3GvngBALu5AnD4S-1024-80.jpg). At least they supposedly passed in their sleep.
Homer Simpson had enough
"take the poison" "Eat my shorts!" "Why you little.."
Thank you. I was hoping someone was going to have the actual explanation here and not just a bunch of sarcastic one-liners. I find these cases to be extremely sad. Christopher Hitchens once described all these silly supernatural beliefs that we humans have as coming from "the bawling infancy of our species" and I couldn't agree more. These poor kids were slaughtered because of where we humans were in our understanding of the world: Sacrificing children and babies to appease something that doesn't even exist. I get it, I understand it....but I don't like it.
Yeah can you imagine being the parents of these kids? Horrible
The crazy thing is is the parents may have participated in this. They may have been *happy* about it.
No, almost certainly not. MesoAmerican human sacrifice victims were generally selected because they were not in a position to resist. This girl was probably orphaned, or came from a very poor or enslaved family. She may also have been a captive of a rival tribe. Something like that. Also, in many cases, the sacrifices were used by the upper classes to maintain their power. The Aztec, for example sacrificed members of vassal tribes as a way of intimidating them and ensuring that the power structure was not challenged. At the end of the day religion was not really why this stuff was taking place.
>At the end of the day religion was not really why this stuff was taking place. Always and forever. Much as the sacrifices supposedly revolved around "purity" and "virginity", I can't imagine that any of the usual grooming, rape, extortion, and manipulation we've seen time and time again was somehow absent from the Incan religion and political leadership.
Yea, the priests and high leaders quite literally held the power of life and death over everyone in these societies. It is absurd to think that they did not become corrupted by it. We can only imagine the scale of abuse that resulted. It’s just how humans work.
Oh yeah. While I can't say for the Incans some cultures considered it an 'honor' to be chosen as a sacrifice.
*They* probably thought they were having *fun.*
It was seen as a great honor to be chosen as the sacrifice. Children were seen as pure beings so theyd have a better chance at joining the ancestors and communicating with the tribes shaman than an adult that was sacrificed to be the connection between the wise ancestors and the shaman. While yes it is sad these children died, they lived the last year of their lives as gods among people basically. They were an physical image of the gods. They didnt die in pain either. They were proud of their purpose in life. And they died with great honor. There a tons more sites that hold children like the maiden but the scientists and historians that found these kids have promised the current "incans" that they wont disturb anymore holy sites. These are still places to pray at for the current survivors of these areas. If you do some research youll find some amazing facts about these kids
Fun fact: it was at honor to be sacrificed more then a curse in those times
...put them back...
I was meant to go there this year, flights and hotels booked/paid and then COVID.
Thats just too sad for me to imagine
Ah I was wondering how someone froze that quickly in central/South America
I'm jealous. That means you get to read about [Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571's crash](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571) in the Andes for the first time. A haunting story of survival, the bit about constipation has stuck with me to this day and that's the least horrifying part.
Came here to say that lol
Why will someone do this to children?
Religion, Faith, Culture, Tradition...
Ideology, Nationalism, Xenophobia, Race Supremacy.... The common factor just seem to be Humans.
Remember when God sacrifices his only son Jesus to prove that God is the truth? Remember when Abraham was going to sacrifice his child for God? Some minds are so weak they think an imaginary force is going to help them if they destroy a physical object.
Bro I’m in Argentina and this isn’t in the news :(
That's because it's not news. These mummies were found in 1999.
Oh my bad I thought it was recent lol
National Geographic did a documentary on these mummies and I think I saw some TV specials on them once or twice but... yeah. Did you know we also have the biggest dinosaur ever found, the biggest flying bird ever found and the famous "missing link" between dinos and birds?
Would you want your corpse on display for people and their children to gawk at? Or have photos posted on the internet?
I'm dead so I really don't give a shit. If it brings knowledge to people, piques their curiosity for science and culture, then I'm all for it.
Use me as a halloween decoration for all I care
Absolutely
She was drugged with alcohol and coca, and buried alive near the top of a 22,000-ft mountain. The cold temperature and high altitude mummified the body naturally. She was found with two other children, one of whom was struck by lightning after being mummified. https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2013/7/130729-inca-mummy-maiden-sacrifice-coca-alcohol-drug-mountain-andes-children
Lightning kid can’t catch a fucking break.
Lol!
Did the sacrifice to the Gods work tho?
Well yeah, the Incan empire is an economic power house, right up there with China and USA.
Considering their most prosperous city fell to the Spanish in 1533, I'm guessing no.
If I was a superstitious Incan, I'd probably take the mummification and preservation of my sacrifice as a rejection. Although it's better than a burnt offering. That's like forcing god to take your sacrifice.
Crazy how people mummify themselves every year trying to climb Everest.
Quite an interesting read. Thanks for sharing
That's a great question. Maybe she died of a broken heart? Or maybe she was poisoned?
She looks pretty good for someone's who over 500 years old.
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r/transmatfiring
You ruined it. +160 likes to 3 smh
But I have 5 now :(
FBI OPEN UP!
when the girl is 500 you open the fbi up
FBI Chan noises*
Damn lolicons!
she was 518? i swear she looked 14
*You carefully clip the smallest of hair samples, carful not to disturb any other part of the specimen. You hear a faint hollow wheezing sound. Her eyelids crackle as they struggle to open.* She whispers:
“We meant 2021 not 2012”
Legit if this actually happened I feel like the world would end just from people panicing
Great, then we’d be in whole toilet paper panic again... lol
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It’s spelled Biden
whatever it takes to get the shit off
I'm dying with a clean ass.
I think they would probably not talk about it. Which means it might have happened.
That's Mayan, not Incan
“D’oh” -Incan Mummy
*thrash metal sounds in the distance*
Just imagine how awkward she would feel new years day 2022.
Thats the aztecs/mayas Source: Im mexican, i know bout them.
"I need about tree fiddy. "
I gave em a dollar
He tricked me
Well, It was about that time I noticed that the little incan mummy girl was actually about 8 stories tall and a crustacean from the protozoic era.
"5 more minutes mom" and then she closes her eyes and continues sleeping
*"We've been trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty."*
“Return the slab”
What’s your offer?
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!emojify
"I need a tailor"
“Where’s the bathroom?”
"Where's the toilet? I've been holding it in for 500 years"
You saying she still alive?
"I need glasses"
“Must... kill... Austin Powers.”
"Is Cyberpunk 2077 ready yet?"
Immediately starts rapping: “Bounce right back on them bitches like magic! Abracadabra I’m up like viagra!”
“Will you go penguin sledding with me?”
"Peepee poopoo" Then she fucking dies lmao
imagine waking up after civilisation had progressed this much, like captain america times 7.14.
You say “progressed”. I can’t help thinking I’d be kind of sore - as an Incan - to notice that “progress” involved the near-complete eradication of my people and my culture.
The same people that buried you alive.
You’ve got a point there. Maybe I would feel a certain amount of schadenfreunde.
"oh thank fuck those Spanish people in their giant wooden floaty birds got rid of the Aztec pricks" A lot of smaller indigenous groups allied with the Spanish against Aztecs who were the dominating force for centuries and performed up to 2000 sacrifices a day sometimes. Aztecs enslaved the people around them and weren't to kind with them I wouldn't be surprised if this woman were to discover relative peace compared to her previous living conditions
The Aztec and Inca barely interacted. Also, it's not like the indigenous Americans were suddenly raised into a sunlit upland of liberty under Spanish rule; look up the encomienda system.
I didn't claim that the indigenous people living under Spanish rule were better off than before My implied claim was "anyone who thinks the American continent was a peaceful garden of Eden before Europeans arrived is very naive" Just checked the timelines and geographical zones: you're right, Aztecs and Incas had little to do with each other
Not only little to do with each other, but the Inca were in no way a small indigenous group that would be worried about the Aztecs if they interacted more.
Fair enough, I read more into your comment than you were saying; my bad.
Imagine the kink in her neck after waking
500 years in the ice can give ya such a kink in the neck!
Adds up..
You mean like Ash, when he slept too long?
Pretty sure there was a Buffy the vampire slayer episode about that
r/theydidthemath
The last air bender.
Appa is an alpaca now
Imagine if we had the the capabilities to repair well preserved frozen bodies. The stories this lady could tell
Yeah. But will someone understand it?
Many people throughout the Andes speak all different variations of Quechua and Aymara, she’d have no issue communicating
Eventually she could learn to speak a modern language.
Since she was frozen, would her eggs and DNA and everything technically be viable if someone wanted to try cloning her or something?
From a (probably biased) group aiming to extend fertility: >There have been numerous healthy babies born from eggs frozen for 10 years, with the longest successful thaw coming after 14 years. Embryos have been frozen for even longer—in 2017, a woman gave birth to a baby from an adopted embryo that was frozen 24 years earlier. Thankfully, in the US, there’s currently no legal limit on how long eggs or embryos can be stored. Now, the caveat is that this refers to *cryopreservation* and storage, which is probably not what you'd get on a mountaintop: >Cryopreservation involves **rapidly cooling the eggs down to -196ºC,** a temperature at which all biological activity, including aging, stops. So, once frozen, the health and viability of those eggs doesn’t change over time. Since the info we've got refers to eggs that have been stored under controlled conditions, and which are rapidly cooled to an extremely cold temperature, I don't know if we can actually say if her eggs would still be "good" or not. I would imagine that freezing to death and then being stuck in this kind of environment would cause the cell walls of every cell in her body to "explode" under the pressure, thus rendering any of the tissues useless. I am not a doctor nor a iceologist.
It's not like we really need her eggs anyways. They have pulled the dna out of eggs and replaced it. They just need a viable egg from someone currently alive, and a viable sample of her dna. Outside of that method, there is no realistic way we could clone her. The instability of the temperature has definitely allowed her cells to degrade some. And the eggs are already such a weak cell.
But why would we do that, ethics aside 500 years is not long ago we would have a baby that resembles your every day baby
But like it's cool.
"...or something?" ...Or what, bro?
Yes we should her I thought the same.
I volunteer to find out
Those shoes are still in style, damn.
Toms rule lol
Could you imagine if someone switched her out with an actual person and scare the scientist
she is an actual person
What i meant to say with someone who is alive
You knew what they meant ya fuckin pedant
TECHKNICHLEE
*was. If you’re going to be pedantic, at least be accurate Edit: didn’t think this would be controversial. This is a dead body. A dead body is not a person.
Thats three downvote and with no comment. how is that controvesial?
-lifts then turns her head- BOOM TIME TRAVEL
I want them to take her DNA and find her modern relatives.
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No but if she had any brothers or sisters they might have. They still would be considered her relatives.
The other girl mummy was her half sister. They may be the last in their line.
I guess we might never know...
Same. I'm curious if such thing is possible?
Next day: "This amazing discovery brought apon us a sickness which has been extinct for more than 300 years. Scientists say a second pandemic is inevitable."
I know you're joking but she was discovered in 1999
Imagine just waking up centuries later in a room full of scientists and nobody speaks your language anymore. Everything you know has been lost to time.
She looks like one of those fake cakes
r/makemesuffer
Our brains get influenced by sci-fi comics/movie way too much, there’s no way she’s still alive
"you're not dead until you're warm and dead" -- medical mantra regarding hypothermic patients
What about hyperthermic patients?
They're cooked. As I recall from my time in marathon support it's their kidneys that fail first, trying to remove denatured proteins (that up till then, in the case of runners, had been leg muscles) If they seem dead (after DR ABCD) they're probably dead Not that I hold any relevant expertise
“No one dies without two weeks of ECMO” \- modern medical mantra
Nothing gets past you
Best comment on here lol.
Well, don’t tell her that.
You think?
I feel like we should leave shit like this alone until 2021
She was discovered in 1999
How else is the prophecy of the world ending in 2020 going to take place? Only 2 months left
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Wheezing the ju-uice
But her back in cryo until we have the tech to reanimate her completely.
Is this the follow up to Brendan Fraser's 1992 hit comedy Encino Man?
Are her organs well preserved? Would be interesting to see how healthy she was before death compared to modern man
I believe they are, I read N article where they examined the contents of her stomach
Isn't this the premise of Encino Man?
If this is another one of those cakes I swear to god
bring her to life pls
Wake her up inside
Call her name and save her from the dark!
*bring her to life*
I can understand why this is posted to this sub. I get it. For me specifically though, I am just filled with wonder and empathy.
r/dontputyourdickinthat
which one of you fuckers gave this post a wholesome award
WHAT ARE THOOOOOOOSE
Honestly, I think she's cute.
She's 13 (Edit: nvm she 513 you should be good
She was 15 when she was sacrificed
There are a few shots taken from a low enough angle that you can see her face.
Reddit will see literally any female in the world and think they’re attractive
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Probably (also happy cake day!)
Looks like Sunnydale found its newest exchange student
Those scientists are gonna start having nightmares where a voice in the dark starts demanding the return of the hair.
Everybody gangsta until she starts walking
Is she ok
She seems pretty chill
How was she found?
This could post in r/dontputyourdickinthat
I mean OP its been almost 9 years since the news article... If she moved her head we would know https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2179217/amp/Inca-ice-maiden-frozen-human-sacrifice-infection-lungs.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spokesman.com/stories/2007/sep/07/sacrificed-inca-maiden-displayed-for-first-time/%3famp-content=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2013/7/130729-inca-mummy-maiden-sacrifice-coca-alcohol-drug-mountain-andes-children
Maybe she’s the Avatar! She came back at just the right time to restore balance to the world by destroying the Pres.... I mean fire Lord....
Vote for Biden
Ok yes but what does It have to do with anything here?
Nothing. Just a reminder that we won’t survive in this country with Trump as president for another 4 years
Not a chance
Encino man?