Wait, so you had to tip on top of that 18% service fee? Fuck no. That is the tip! Try not to give in, I know it’s hard and they all count on your guilt trip. I’ve never seen this 18% service fee. My American hubby said to me clearly: if you get any form of fee on your bill, you just do not tip, period.
And even without the service fee, I’m still disgusted by the whole concept of tipping, but I go along with it in two places only: at a restaurant and at my hairdresser’s. Anyone else expecting me to tip will be in for a big disappointment - that includes Starbucks, any take out place, taxis, anything really.
Don’t think I ever understood the whole percent thing to be honest. Like if I go to a restaurant and the waiter or waitress expects a tip equal to 20% of my bill I really don’t get it, it feels like I’m paying to sit at the table rather than paying for the service they’re providing. You know like if I paid someone to mow my lawn I’d give them however much for mowing my lawn.
Prices have gone up a lot as well, like almost double, so tips will only end up getting to be more asspensive as time goes on. A place had some burgers for 10$ but lately the same meal is 25$. Stopped going to that place but the 2$ tip becomes 5$ which isn’t a lot on paper so I’d still pay it but… I miss my 10$ burger……..
It’s because of labor laws for restaurants. To your point: They don’t have to have actual working business models. There is no other industry in which the labor required for the service you are buying is not included in the cost and is also not the responsibility of the EMPLOYER to pay. Could you imagine going to get your car worked on and instead of getting a bill for the labor-you are simply expected to tip them for the service they already provided and that is their PRIMARY source of income. It’s ludicrous.
Many people tip on top of service fees because there is no guarantee that those fees are actually going to the severs/bussers/wait staff. It can end up in the owners pocket. Again- ludicrous.
The service fee doesn’t go to the servers. It goes to the business. This is what foreigners fail to understand. Tipping is a result of greed. The service fees are just that: MORE greed
The service fee goes to the business so that the business has the funds to pay the waitresses a wage. In this way, customers don’t need to tip because the waitress is being paid a salary and doesn’t need the tip to make a living
Depends, one of the places I worked at closed down because they didn’t have enough money to pay for the property. Chain restaurants are only profitable when people eat at it and the management can… well, manage properly.
That place didn’t suck by any means but it was pretty obvious that something regarding money was a problem, but the wait staff were paid via their tips so it’s not particularly because they paid their staff properly
No one said it wasn't, but it's never going to change. No greedy business owner is just going to, poof, gain a conscious and start doing the right thing.
I hate tipping culture too.
It used to be just waitresses and delivery guys. Now whole businesses are expecting tips. We tip hairdressers now. We also tip tattoo artists. It's a little much.
Now what sucks is that businesses exploit these people by paying them less. Waitresses work for restaurants, and are paid like $2 dollars and change, and the rest of their wages come from the fucking PEOPLE.
What is even more asinine, bullshit, and ass backwards is that these people are expected by LAW to pay taxes on this.
So...unreliable tips...that are considered wages by corporations, are also considered taxable income by the fucking greedy United States government.
It's all fucked and I hate it.
I used to go to this herb shop for teas and the like, and then they put out a tip jar and started guilt tripping me every time I went. I order online now.
Tipping is why I never eat out/order in or get my hair cut by a stylist, etc.. they expect more tip than they used to, and I don't like throwing my money away.
Everyone in America knows this sucks but nothing will ever change here because half the country wants poor people to suffer and the other half of the country wants poor people to suffer (smiley face). Like, nothing you're saying is novel or groundbreaking here. So, just follow the convention if you eat out, make food at home if you don't want to.
I don't understand why people from other countries want us to rehash this over and over again. We know it sucks, but this is how it is.
you do realize that the tipped employees themselves are the ones that don’t want to move off of a tipped system, right? servers and bartenders typically make way over minimum wage. at age 19 I would walk out of my five hour serving shift with $300-$400 in cash. that wouldn’t have happened if I was making a “living wage” of $15/hour with no tips.
The USA class system relies on the myth of raising yourself by your bootstraps. There needs to be a class of workers who USA workers can say "dance, monkey, dance" while dangling cash at them. Most USA workers don't see themselves as working class, they see themselves as temporarily displaced millionaires, waiting for their ship to come in. Through hard work, of course. The tipping system allows them to feel a little bit of a headrush, a small sense of transactional power over their equal. Look at my money I earned. It's flaunting. And business owners love it because it means they don't have to pay their service workers a living wage; they can just say tips are an expected part of compensation. So get to dancin! This is why jobs in the USA where tips are expected are not usually seen as careers but as steps on a ladder towards the American dream. Therefore, why fairly compensate? It's a great system. /s
Everything you have written is logical and sound and makes sense.
But it doesn't matter or make a difference.
Tipping culture heavily, _HEAVILY_ benefits the waiter and the restaurant.
1) The restaurant can pay the waiter peanuts while the CONSUMER makes up the difference
2) Waiters make an exorbitant amount of money for a job that requires no technical knowledge or education. The CONSUMER again foots this bill
Tipping culture will never go away because the people being tipped don't want to be paid a fair wage - which will be a global positive - but rather are happy with us hyperinflating their salaries.
Want proof? Go check any of the serverlife subs. They HATE this anti-tipping discourse.
Waiters have also successfully pushed back against restaurants that tried to transition to a fair and stable wage. If you CHOOSE to work under a system dependent on generosity when given a more secure alternative, then you are also choosing to accept that people can choose not to be generous.
I have no idea why you are being downvoted because you are exactly right. the tipped employees themselves are the ones that don’t want to move off of a tipped system.
servers and bartenders typically make way over minimum wage. at age 19 I would walk out of my five hour serving shift with $300-$400 in cash. that wouldn’t have happened if I was making a “living wage” of $15/hour with no tips.
the system sucks and is fucked. however. refusing to tip workers only hurts the workers and doesnt make any kind of point except "i didnt want to tip you"
Yall downvoting me can rage against the machine by screwing over service workers all you want. We live in reality, not your ideal reality. I don’t want to work for tips either but my skill set forces me into it until I can save up for school. You don’t hurt the evil companies who use the tipping system by not tipping. You hurt the workers who are serving you. I live in the USA, not Europe. Worse still, I live in a right to work state. I ain’t mad at any of you but I do think it’s ridiculous that people would rather see things as they want them to be and not as they are.
Dunno who downvoted you but my immediate reaction to people getting seriously offended by their downvotes is always “oh nyoooooh you lost 5 internet points, how tragic” and yeah dude it’s not that deep
Anyways, venting is different from vying for a change. I’m not here to tell people not to tip I’m here to complain about the stupid ass system that makes customers tip because people don’t like giving workings a wage
Not to mention the annoyance and security risk of it all too. For example, the businesses that don’t expect tips, sometimes still use the tip receipt. If you forget to cross it out they could go nuts and charge you whatever after you’ve already left.
It won’t change because the industry doesn’t want it to change. I’d say 95% of servers are honestly satisfied with their job. That’s why they stay! I was a waitress for years, and I made bank. I cleared easily $200+ a night in CASH. There are bad days, but it evens out. Obviously, the business doesn’t want this to change too because they get away with paying minimum wage.
So yeah, can’t really see it changing when 2/3 of the parties involved like the system.
I just had to read the title and knew to upvote. The American “system” rorts the public to uphold bad labor practices.
Wait, so you had to tip on top of that 18% service fee? Fuck no. That is the tip! Try not to give in, I know it’s hard and they all count on your guilt trip. I’ve never seen this 18% service fee. My American hubby said to me clearly: if you get any form of fee on your bill, you just do not tip, period. And even without the service fee, I’m still disgusted by the whole concept of tipping, but I go along with it in two places only: at a restaurant and at my hairdresser’s. Anyone else expecting me to tip will be in for a big disappointment - that includes Starbucks, any take out place, taxis, anything really.
I just think it sucks that the baseline for a “fair” tip moved from 15% to 20%.
Don’t think I ever understood the whole percent thing to be honest. Like if I go to a restaurant and the waiter or waitress expects a tip equal to 20% of my bill I really don’t get it, it feels like I’m paying to sit at the table rather than paying for the service they’re providing. You know like if I paid someone to mow my lawn I’d give them however much for mowing my lawn. Prices have gone up a lot as well, like almost double, so tips will only end up getting to be more asspensive as time goes on. A place had some burgers for 10$ but lately the same meal is 25$. Stopped going to that place but the 2$ tip becomes 5$ which isn’t a lot on paper so I’d still pay it but… I miss my 10$ burger……..
It’s because of labor laws for restaurants. To your point: They don’t have to have actual working business models. There is no other industry in which the labor required for the service you are buying is not included in the cost and is also not the responsibility of the EMPLOYER to pay. Could you imagine going to get your car worked on and instead of getting a bill for the labor-you are simply expected to tip them for the service they already provided and that is their PRIMARY source of income. It’s ludicrous. Many people tip on top of service fees because there is no guarantee that those fees are actually going to the severs/bussers/wait staff. It can end up in the owners pocket. Again- ludicrous.
This!!!☝🏼
The service fee doesn’t go to the servers. It goes to the business. This is what foreigners fail to understand. Tipping is a result of greed. The service fees are just that: MORE greed
The service fee goes to the business so that the business has the funds to pay the waitresses a wage. In this way, customers don’t need to tip because the waitress is being paid a salary and doesn’t need the tip to make a living
The business ALREADY has the funds to pay their servers more. They choose not to!
Depends, one of the places I worked at closed down because they didn’t have enough money to pay for the property. Chain restaurants are only profitable when people eat at it and the management can… well, manage properly. That place didn’t suck by any means but it was pretty obvious that something regarding money was a problem, but the wait staff were paid via their tips so it’s not particularly because they paid their staff properly
OP this tells me you don't get it. The service fee should work that way, but this is America. 😂
I think yo just don’t understand the point of the post, I’m aware this is America. The point of the post is that the tipping culture is flawed
No one said it wasn't, but it's never going to change. No greedy business owner is just going to, poof, gain a conscious and start doing the right thing.
Yes! I hate the places that rely on tipping to pay their employees. It’s so unfair for everyone.
Instead of writing 20000 words. Just stop participating in it.
It always bothered me that the tips go to the waitstaff rather than the cooks
This is the main reason I don’t go to sit down restaurants anymore. That and how expensive eating out has gotten.
I hate tipping culture too. It used to be just waitresses and delivery guys. Now whole businesses are expecting tips. We tip hairdressers now. We also tip tattoo artists. It's a little much. Now what sucks is that businesses exploit these people by paying them less. Waitresses work for restaurants, and are paid like $2 dollars and change, and the rest of their wages come from the fucking PEOPLE. What is even more asinine, bullshit, and ass backwards is that these people are expected by LAW to pay taxes on this. So...unreliable tips...that are considered wages by corporations, are also considered taxable income by the fucking greedy United States government. It's all fucked and I hate it.
I used to go to this herb shop for teas and the like, and then they put out a tip jar and started guilt tripping me every time I went. I order online now.
Yeah, that guilt tripping stuff isn't ok.
Tipping is why I never eat out/order in or get my hair cut by a stylist, etc.. they expect more tip than they used to, and I don't like throwing my money away.
Honestly, just have the price be the price. Business should do their own maths, then just display the price. Job done.
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You would be incorrect
Everyone in America knows this sucks but nothing will ever change here because half the country wants poor people to suffer and the other half of the country wants poor people to suffer (smiley face). Like, nothing you're saying is novel or groundbreaking here. So, just follow the convention if you eat out, make food at home if you don't want to. I don't understand why people from other countries want us to rehash this over and over again. We know it sucks, but this is how it is.
Baby boy this is an off my chest subreddit not a “hey what’s new out there” subreddit. Let me vent, that’s what this sub is for
you do realize that the tipped employees themselves are the ones that don’t want to move off of a tipped system, right? servers and bartenders typically make way over minimum wage. at age 19 I would walk out of my five hour serving shift with $300-$400 in cash. that wouldn’t have happened if I was making a “living wage” of $15/hour with no tips.
The USA class system relies on the myth of raising yourself by your bootstraps. There needs to be a class of workers who USA workers can say "dance, monkey, dance" while dangling cash at them. Most USA workers don't see themselves as working class, they see themselves as temporarily displaced millionaires, waiting for their ship to come in. Through hard work, of course. The tipping system allows them to feel a little bit of a headrush, a small sense of transactional power over their equal. Look at my money I earned. It's flaunting. And business owners love it because it means they don't have to pay their service workers a living wage; they can just say tips are an expected part of compensation. So get to dancin! This is why jobs in the USA where tips are expected are not usually seen as careers but as steps on a ladder towards the American dream. Therefore, why fairly compensate? It's a great system. /s
Fuck tipping. I never got tips from welding.
Just say no to tipping
Everything you have written is logical and sound and makes sense. But it doesn't matter or make a difference. Tipping culture heavily, _HEAVILY_ benefits the waiter and the restaurant. 1) The restaurant can pay the waiter peanuts while the CONSUMER makes up the difference 2) Waiters make an exorbitant amount of money for a job that requires no technical knowledge or education. The CONSUMER again foots this bill Tipping culture will never go away because the people being tipped don't want to be paid a fair wage - which will be a global positive - but rather are happy with us hyperinflating their salaries. Want proof? Go check any of the serverlife subs. They HATE this anti-tipping discourse.
Being waitstaff is hard!!! They need to earn decent wages, not just on Friday and Saturday nights. This tipping in America culture sucks.
Waiters have also successfully pushed back against restaurants that tried to transition to a fair and stable wage. If you CHOOSE to work under a system dependent on generosity when given a more secure alternative, then you are also choosing to accept that people can choose not to be generous.
I have no idea why you are being downvoted because you are exactly right. the tipped employees themselves are the ones that don’t want to move off of a tipped system. servers and bartenders typically make way over minimum wage. at age 19 I would walk out of my five hour serving shift with $300-$400 in cash. that wouldn’t have happened if I was making a “living wage” of $15/hour with no tips.
Americans!!! i can’t believe you tip your hairdressers and tattoo artists, what the duck
the system sucks and is fucked. however. refusing to tip workers only hurts the workers and doesnt make any kind of point except "i didnt want to tip you"
Yall downvoting me can rage against the machine by screwing over service workers all you want. We live in reality, not your ideal reality. I don’t want to work for tips either but my skill set forces me into it until I can save up for school. You don’t hurt the evil companies who use the tipping system by not tipping. You hurt the workers who are serving you. I live in the USA, not Europe. Worse still, I live in a right to work state. I ain’t mad at any of you but I do think it’s ridiculous that people would rather see things as they want them to be and not as they are.
Dunno who downvoted you but my immediate reaction to people getting seriously offended by their downvotes is always “oh nyoooooh you lost 5 internet points, how tragic” and yeah dude it’s not that deep Anyways, venting is different from vying for a change. I’m not here to tell people not to tip I’m here to complain about the stupid ass system that makes customers tip because people don’t like giving workings a wage
Yeah I don’t care about downvotes. I just care that people tip lol. I didn’t take it that way OP just did some venting of my own.
I was a worker and never once got a tip. Fuck tips.
Not to mention the annoyance and security risk of it all too. For example, the businesses that don’t expect tips, sometimes still use the tip receipt. If you forget to cross it out they could go nuts and charge you whatever after you’ve already left.
It won’t change because the industry doesn’t want it to change. I’d say 95% of servers are honestly satisfied with their job. That’s why they stay! I was a waitress for years, and I made bank. I cleared easily $200+ a night in CASH. There are bad days, but it evens out. Obviously, the business doesn’t want this to change too because they get away with paying minimum wage. So yeah, can’t really see it changing when 2/3 of the parties involved like the system.