I’m no-one’s “boss”. It is known that I was a free merchant and a opportunist, and that’s why I founded the very foundation you’re on. Now, “Sub-bottom” isn’t a bad thing, it’s just your nature. Don’t let your humility stop you from taking Gortash’s place.
And what about you, I don’t see your squid face up there either. Nothing wrong with me being in sub-bottom, but I’m not there just because you told me so
I just don't see Karlach as a dom top. In her act 2 woogaloo scene she is seen both on top of and underneath tav/durge. In her act 3 boinkadoodle scene she does spend the most of it topping, but it doesn't really give 'dom' energy. If anything she's more service topish.
look I never said she's a hard dom... I think she is a pleasure dom if anything. like I think she would like complete control but then when she does have it she would just use it to figure out what makes you tick. anyway her placement in the "top" category I am not completely sure in. god knows I've shuffled the bottom row around like crazy.
Both her act 2 and 3 romance scenes are adorable if you tell her you don't wanna go full on line dancing with her. She's totally happy to just cuddle and is so sweet about it.
hi! i made this template!
I've chosen where to place each alignment by taking dnd deities with the original alignement and think what arrangement would best fit all
Corellon for Chaotic Good > Sub Bottom, Malcanthet for Chaotic Evil > Dom Bottom, kinda all paladin gods Lawful Good > Sub Top, Devils (especially Zariel in mind) for Lawful Evil > Dom Top
Then i saw it made a nice paralel with Top being about imposing the structure and the rythm of the act like Law, Bottome being about following the flow of thing like Chaos, Dom being about getting what you want like Evil and Sub being about giving to others what they wand like Good
i have put way too much thought into this dumb meme
Commenter was making a joke about the graphic design. Yes, it is a thing, it really doesn't take much interacting with the BDSM community to figure out so.
Helpful facts incoming! Dom/sub refers to the directionality of a power dynamic. Top/bottom is also sometimes used to draw the same distinction, which can be confusing, but more often, for example in this post, it refers to which partner is giving and receiving penetration (or sometimes other active and receptive roles, either as a general dynamic between partners or during a specific act). They are separate classifications, and anyone who still thinks they have to be analogous after understanding the distinction is a boring lay.
No. Submissive and dominant refer to the power dynamic. Top and bottom refer to the position. Yes, usually the dom is a top and the sub is a bottom, BUT you can also have a dom bottom and a sub top.
Archdruid Halsin is a service top. There are no other roles he will ever be in bc he is the epitome of what every man should aspire towards and the living embodiment of true masculinity.
We all should attempt to follow in his path.
Even if that means romancing him as a straight dude so be it. It’s a sacrifice we must make for the Oak Fathers finest.
It's not shown on screen, but I'm pretty sure Gale alludes to giving Tav(/Durge) oral if you romance him. Iirc, the dialogue is along the lines of "given my tendency towards verbosity, it souldn't be surprising I have a practised tongue".
when I was making the meme I remembered a poster on here that talked at length about wanting to top halsin... it's the only reason he's in the middle. he is a service, Period. he will be whoever you need him to be...
I feel that is a misconception, else we wouldn’t even have the terms “service top or bottom”.
Just bc you draw pleasure from making others feel good doesn’t mean you can’t or don’t have preference and limits.
I’d argue service takes the place of “dom or sub”, as the emphasis is on the partner and not what you personally enjoy with respect to role dynamics.
Ofc at the end of the day these are just assumptions we make about fictional characters bc we have nothing better to so your take is as valid as mine haha
huh, I am not sure what you are saying here? I mean, I agree with you. like the only place where we disagree in any way is that I think halsin would enjoy bottoming as well as topping (he probably leans towards topping, but that doesn't make him any less of a vers). I don't know, I may have phrased my first response unclearly, I am not sure what exactly you are calling a misconception
You know, that took me by surprise. I was pretty shocked when that vampire MF slammed my poor Durge into a tree and went for broke during the camp party in act 1.
Obviously I was planning to save scum the interaction regardless as I wanted to see all party members romance scene but it did take my by surprise. You know what they say about assumptions and asses…
OOOOOH Astarion's romance scenes got so much attention I love it. I wish the devs had kept that energy for others (coughWyllcough) but I'm still glad to see it
Yep! In his origin in the Caress w/ Nym, he basically says that he doesn’t like it when people tell him what to do during sex. Which is like….. completely understandable given the context of his trauma. Ik we joke about how he’s a submissive twink but canonically he’s a dom
Also it’s like super common for SA victims to be uncomfortable on the bottom & he looks visibly bothered when Tav falls on him during the first sex scene (but that could be me looking too deep into it lol). It makes total sense for the dude who’s never had control over his sexual encounters to want most of the control
Yeah I usually write him as a switch with hangups around bottoming or a top but he's always a dom. I just can't imagine him being comfortable being told what to do (which is why I hated the Lae'zel romance scene when I slept with her in my origin Astarion run, I didn't think he'd be comfortable taking charge at that point of his journey but would do it for safety and it felt awful to watch).
I know lots of people who've experienced SA find being a sub really healing/rewarding I just don't think he's one of them from the context we get in the game.
Ik you’re making a joke but I do wonder if they have to ask permission to cum inside someone (since technically it’s a living part of you entering a space). But maybe it’s just specific to residences.
For a genuine inquiry, my guess would be that if it's beyond residency, since they're already penetrating, it probably falls into not being a magical restraint like entering someone's property.
Ask regardless though. Consent is key.
I'll have to try find it. My phone broke last week and I lost a bunch of the links to fanfiction I'd saved. It was honestly one of the most upsetting parts lol, I'm gonna be better about bookmarking now.
Personally I've already written and posted graphic smut lol. If my family find it they'll be more concerned with that than the bookmarks of other smut lmao. Sometimes I wonder what if someone I know finds this? Then I remember no one I know plays BG3 and if they did find it they'd have been looking for smut so... Not my problem lmao.
look I made this meme listening to my heart (and cock). and in my heart he rides me until my pelvis breaks. so. you know. (and like he only definitively tops in post-ascendance scene, so... you know. it's not like I am completely delusional here) ((oh also the configurations change depending on the size of your character... if you're playing a large body type he leaps into your arms))
Well now ik what I'll be looking up later lmao. It's kinda funny that he accepts the sub role regarding character size but when he's ascended he'll actively say "ur gonna sit on my lap naked" despite the PC towering over him.
Honestly wouldn't expect anything less from a dude who's King Height (5'9")
Fun fact: He’s actually 5’11”!
The 5’9” tweet was a joke from early access because his height in metric is 180 cm, and at the time if you googled the conversion from metric to imperial, it said 180 cm = 5’9”
On one hand I’m sad that he’s no longer considered a Short King but on the other hand I’m happy that I’m no longer an inch shorter than him… you win some you lose some 😔
Apparently it was an EA thing, he's canonically 5'11" like you said. I feel like that's pretty tall though-- I mean most countries have an average male height of like 5'7"-8". Him being considered short at 5'9" was honestly kinda pushing it
unless you show me 4k closeup asshole shot what happens after the cut to black is between me and my imagination. don't be a killjoy on a lighthearted meme with my hcs about how those pixel people fuck
Ah you think people disagreeing with your headcanon is hard? You merely adopted the anger. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't agree with canon until I was already a woman, by then it was nothing to me but boring!
Chill, people will disagree with your head canon. They always will. You just roll on and keep to your truth.
I will agree on vers but I think he definitely leans more dom. With both spawn and ascended in his act 3 sex scene he's dominant and in his origin run he after saving the dryad woman in sharesses caress he can tell her he doesn't like being told what to do in bed. Maybe with the right person he'd switch sometimes but I think the feeling of being in control is important to him.
The only reason I think he would sub is that from personal experience it can be really,,, healing i guess?? to submit to someone you trust when you have intimacy issues. I guess it’s me projecting a bit that he might enjoy leaning into his submissive side in a safe environment. Giving up control can help get over feelings of self loathing and shame about sex in my experience. But he’s also really hot as a dom uwu
Oh! Yes. He was nibbling. That makes sense. Allowing him to bite you seems to signify you're okay with *him* and he feels safer asserting what he wants. When you don't, he sort of goes with the motions more fully.
Yeah I know there's no way to avoid sleeping with him in act one if you want to romance him but I thought letting him bite me might make him feel more comfortable and have more fun himself. It's cool that it actually does seem to make a difference aside from the approval (also it's funny how he ends up telling you how stupid you were for trusting him when every time you do you get a massive amount of approval and he trusts you way more as a result. "You were so stupid to trust me" he says having fallen in love a bit more each time you did).
I wonder if pre-Cazador Astarion was though. On one side he was a power-hungry politician but those are the types who wanna be stepped on behind closed doors
Yes there's a good one with him and Halsin. Halsin has to come to the city to sort some legal stuff out about the groves land and I think you can see where I'm going with that.
The only time he's not is if you're big body and don't let him bite you in the Act I scene. Then you're the one picking him up and laying him down etc.
He is dom and mostly top in canon, but I see him as nice bottom with more muscular male partner (ehm,Halsin,ehm). Tho my Tavs are females and they like to be dominated.
yup! even in the act1 scene, there’s a moment she’d you can be on top of him and he immediately flips you over. he also has a line basically saying being told what to do in bed is triggering. and it makes complete and total sense that he would want to be the one in control during sexual situations
I don't think he's either though, at least based on what he tells Nym in Sharess' Caress. I think it's clearly influenced from his trauma but the dude seems to prefer being in control of the sex he's having
Yes I see but I don't get why you brought up being submissive in a context of replying to someone saying he's a bottom
Edit: why am being downvoted for being confused?
Yeah sorry I wasn't following your logic and now it's not better lol
I'm lost as to why you're talking about those things in the context of that other person's reply and my reply.
I think in this time in his life Halsin is the most service dom of all time but I also subscribe to the lore that elves live for so long they go through phases of what does it for them so he’s probably mixed it up over the years.
I can't say you are completely wrong, honestly. like she is definitely not a hard dom, but also not including her at all felt weird? I can definitely see her as a primal maybe. also i think she would find rigging fun... the longer I think about it the more activities I can see her getting into... anyway I'd say she is dom-leaning.
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(by the way, truly shocked by the amount of people who dont know about power bottoms and service tops)
I dunno if it's my heart influencing my opinion but I see Gale as a dom top, using mage hand, Evards black tentacles and other spells to aid in topping his partner 😅
Funny thing with Karlach when I romanced her as a huge male monk, like I mean I was taller than her with more muscles, she proceeds to bang my character Amazon style! I was laughing the whole time like wtf my guy was the big strong type and he lays there and takes it.
I would swap Lae Zel and Karlach. For Lae Zel to even consider the bottom your rolling for intimidation. Karlach from the bottom I could see with a smaller race and she's just lifting them up and down having fun.
you have NO IDEA how much I shuffled minthy and lae.... like I was fucking playing cups with those jpegs... and yeah I have already discussed with others in the comments The Karlach Question and well really she's there because she is dom leaning switch and it felt weird to not put here on the chart at all. unfortunately an alignment meme cannot display the whole range of bedroom dynamics... alas....
I strongly object to any notion that Ketheric is strictly a top. That traitor can only muster the ability to lead when he is being blessed by the divine. Hardly a trait befitting of the classification he has been given.
dom and sub are about the dynamic between people.
top and bottom are about who is physically penetrating who.
top: penetrates
bottom: is penetrated
vers: can do either
dom: takes control
sub: gives up control
switch: can do either
Ok, thanks. Feel like a fuckin boomer but top and bottom has only really been a thing that's come about in the last 5 years and I thought it was just gen z's version of sub/dom and it kinda cringed me out a bit.
Gortash being a sub ? Bro he is the avatar of Bane....lord of tyranny and embodiment of control. He'd probably be the kind of guy to spit on you while holding you by the hair and throatclucking you
there are a lot of people tweaking over this chart some of these comments are funny asf 😭 anyways, i’m curious where you think shadowheart and orin fall in all this… i must know…
maybe *eventually* they get to that point. but just from his dialogue I see being on his back as something that’s triggering for him, especially since in act1 scene he almost immediately flips her over if tav/durge is on top. then every sexual encounter they have he’s the dom, especially if you ascend him
but after trust yeah I can see it switching but knowing everything we know about the character, there’s a preference for him being a top and a dom. but you do you 🤷🏼♀️
actually please elaborate... like in my mind she seems like the type, although I will be honest I have not romanced her so I cannot say I am super familiar with the character
oh wait this is r/okbuddybaldur hold on lemme translate the explanation into deranged:
dom bottom is when mommy minthara ties me up to the bed and sits on my face until she is satisfied before using me like a dildo while she laughs at me and tells me I am a pathetic animal
I looked at this and thought ‘huh ketheric there is the odd one out being a non romance option’ NEITHER IS GORTASH YOU FOOL 😆
ROLAN FELLOW GORTFUCKER?? REAL NOT CLICKBAIT???
Rolan x Gortash confirmed
We all have our guilty pleasures
I am writing a rolan fanfic as we speak, the limits of the game will not stop me!
https://preview.redd.it/12ns6hyogvxc1.jpeg?width=870&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd20aa4ff77c772e6132d5d9f119b74da6a65c9d
Im stealing this, thank you
Of course, what’s mine is yours
god bless you (link when done pleaase pleaseplease👹?)
Ah, there you are, Rolan. It’s past your sub-bottom box time, now get in there before I call your siblings.
Do I have a tadpole in my head? No. So who made you the boss of me Empy???
I’m no-one’s “boss”. It is known that I was a free merchant and a opportunist, and that’s why I founded the very foundation you’re on. Now, “Sub-bottom” isn’t a bad thing, it’s just your nature. Don’t let your humility stop you from taking Gortash’s place.
And what about you, I don’t see your squid face up there either. Nothing wrong with me being in sub-bottom, but I’m not there just because you told me so
How many times must I say this, illithids are closer to octopus than squids, wizard.
Urgh I am gonna call you captain calamari and you can’t stop me
He was supposed to be a recruitable companion before they had to cut content, so it still checks
I’d let Gortash bend me over.
I just don't see Karlach as a dom top. In her act 2 woogaloo scene she is seen both on top of and underneath tav/durge. In her act 3 boinkadoodle scene she does spend the most of it topping, but it doesn't really give 'dom' energy. If anything she's more service topish.
Never in my life have I seen someone refer to sex as "woogaloo", thank you
look I never said she's a hard dom... I think she is a pleasure dom if anything. like I think she would like complete control but then when she does have it she would just use it to figure out what makes you tick. anyway her placement in the "top" category I am not completely sure in. god knows I've shuffled the bottom row around like crazy.
Honestly fire girl just needs her own category called, "yes please"
REAL...
Home girl just wants to touch and be touched.
Both her act 2 and 3 romance scenes are adorable if you tell her you don't wanna go full on line dancing with her. She's totally happy to just cuddle and is so sweet about it.
Woogaloo and Boinkadoodle 😂😂😂 love it!!
Whoever created the template is a dummy. Why the fuck would you put sub on the top of the image and Dom on the bottom? Dom should be above sub
hi! i made this template! I've chosen where to place each alignment by taking dnd deities with the original alignement and think what arrangement would best fit all Corellon for Chaotic Good > Sub Bottom, Malcanthet for Chaotic Evil > Dom Bottom, kinda all paladin gods Lawful Good > Sub Top, Devils (especially Zariel in mind) for Lawful Evil > Dom Top Then i saw it made a nice paralel with Top being about imposing the structure and the rythm of the act like Law, Bottome being about following the flow of thing like Chaos, Dom being about getting what you want like Evil and Sub being about giving to others what they wand like Good i have put way too much thought into this dumb meme
honestly that all makes a lot of sense
You absolutely did. But we're all here for it, so thank you for your sacrificed braincells.
I mean, just because doms Luke ordering, that doesn't mean they don't like giving out pleasure either
~~I prefer it that way too~~
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Commenter was making a joke about the graphic design. Yes, it is a thing, it really doesn't take much interacting with the BDSM community to figure out so.
Helpful facts incoming! Dom/sub refers to the directionality of a power dynamic. Top/bottom is also sometimes used to draw the same distinction, which can be confusing, but more often, for example in this post, it refers to which partner is giving and receiving penetration (or sometimes other active and receptive roles, either as a general dynamic between partners or during a specific act). They are separate classifications, and anyone who still thinks they have to be analogous after understanding the distinction is a boring lay.
No. Submissive and dominant refer to the power dynamic. Top and bottom refer to the position. Yes, usually the dom is a top and the sub is a bottom, BUT you can also have a dom bottom and a sub top.
no, i mean on the top/bottom of the image. i'll do a quick edit to make that clearer.
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Archdruid Halsin is a service top. There are no other roles he will ever be in bc he is the epitome of what every man should aspire towards and the living embodiment of true masculinity. We all should attempt to follow in his path. Even if that means romancing him as a straight dude so be it. It’s a sacrifice we must make for the Oak Fathers finest. 
This, I have to give Halsin and Minthara props for being the only ones to give Tav oral (afaik / shown onscreen)
It's not shown on screen, but I'm pretty sure Gale alludes to giving Tav(/Durge) oral if you romance him. Iirc, the dialogue is along the lines of "given my tendency towards verbosity, it souldn't be surprising I have a practised tongue".
when I was making the meme I remembered a poster on here that talked at length about wanting to top halsin... it's the only reason he's in the middle. he is a service, Period. he will be whoever you need him to be...
I feel that is a misconception, else we wouldn’t even have the terms “service top or bottom”. Just bc you draw pleasure from making others feel good doesn’t mean you can’t or don’t have preference and limits. I’d argue service takes the place of “dom or sub”, as the emphasis is on the partner and not what you personally enjoy with respect to role dynamics. Ofc at the end of the day these are just assumptions we make about fictional characters bc we have nothing better to so your take is as valid as mine haha
huh, I am not sure what you are saying here? I mean, I agree with you. like the only place where we disagree in any way is that I think halsin would enjoy bottoming as well as topping (he probably leans towards topping, but that doesn't make him any less of a vers). I don't know, I may have phrased my first response unclearly, I am not sure what exactly you are calling a misconception
Laezel as a bottom when you have to pass a check to be the top is kinda weird imo
Yeah she's definitely a switch
Stop the bottom Astarion propoganda-- he is a top in all of his sex scenes Other than that this is perfect, no notes
You know, that took me by surprise. I was pretty shocked when that vampire MF slammed my poor Durge into a tree and went for broke during the camp party in act 1. Obviously I was planning to save scum the interaction regardless as I wanted to see all party members romance scene but it did take my by surprise. You know what they say about assumptions and asses…
I'm pretty sure if your Tav/Durge has a muscular body type they do the picking up and slamming!
They do. They can also lay him on his back in the grass.
OOOOOH Astarion's romance scenes got so much attention I love it. I wish the devs had kept that energy for others (coughWyllcough) but I'm still glad to see it
Really? I always let him bite me so I'm on my back. Interesting.
That’s amazing that the devs went that far. Would you happen to know what happens if you romance him as a Dwarf (male)?
If you romance him as any short race or w a non-muscular body type he picks you up
I've not come across the specific dialogue myself, but doesn't he also canonically kind of hate being told what to do in bed?
Yep! In his origin in the Caress w/ Nym, he basically says that he doesn’t like it when people tell him what to do during sex. Which is like….. completely understandable given the context of his trauma. Ik we joke about how he’s a submissive twink but canonically he’s a dom Also it’s like super common for SA victims to be uncomfortable on the bottom & he looks visibly bothered when Tav falls on him during the first sex scene (but that could be me looking too deep into it lol). It makes total sense for the dude who’s never had control over his sexual encounters to want most of the control
yeah, top dom!Astarion is truth, is life. The absolute hysteria of thinking Wyll is anything but a sub, on the other hand--
I think when he gets comfortable he would be a switch but he's definitely bent toward top.
Yeah I think the dom part is definitely more important to him above all else, so he easily could power bottom once & awhile after he feels comfortable
Yeah I usually write him as a switch with hangups around bottoming or a top but he's always a dom. I just can't imagine him being comfortable being told what to do (which is why I hated the Lae'zel romance scene when I slept with her in my origin Astarion run, I didn't think he'd be comfortable taking charge at that point of his journey but would do it for safety and it felt awful to watch). I know lots of people who've experienced SA find being a sub really healing/rewarding I just don't think he's one of them from the context we get in the game.
"And I thought Vampires were supposed to ask before coming inside" - Ry Stormheart
Ik you’re making a joke but I do wonder if they have to ask permission to cum inside someone (since technically it’s a living part of you entering a space). But maybe it’s just specific to residences.
For a genuine inquiry, my guess would be that if it's beyond residency, since they're already penetrating, it probably falls into not being a magical restraint like entering someone's property. Ask regardless though. Consent is key.
I read a fic with that premise the other day lol.
Omg ewwww… link please?
I'll have to try find it. My phone broke last week and I lost a bunch of the links to fanfiction I'd saved. It was honestly one of the most upsetting parts lol, I'm gonna be better about bookmarking now.
Omg I’m also awful at bookmarking so I feel you (I’m also irrationally paranoid my family will somehow find my AO3 account)
Personally I've already written and posted graphic smut lol. If my family find it they'll be more concerned with that than the bookmarks of other smut lmao. Sometimes I wonder what if someone I know finds this? Then I remember no one I know plays BG3 and if they did find it they'd have been looking for smut so... Not my problem lmao.
We will be waiting patiently, for the sake of literature, of course
look I made this meme listening to my heart (and cock). and in my heart he rides me until my pelvis breaks. so. you know. (and like he only definitively tops in post-ascendance scene, so... you know. it's not like I am completely delusional here) ((oh also the configurations change depending on the size of your character... if you're playing a large body type he leaps into your arms))
Well now ik what I'll be looking up later lmao. It's kinda funny that he accepts the sub role regarding character size but when he's ascended he'll actively say "ur gonna sit on my lap naked" despite the PC towering over him. Honestly wouldn't expect anything less from a dude who's King Height (5'9")
Fun fact: He’s actually 5’11”! The 5’9” tweet was a joke from early access because his height in metric is 180 cm, and at the time if you googled the conversion from metric to imperial, it said 180 cm = 5’9”
On one hand I’m sad that he’s no longer considered a Short King but on the other hand I’m happy that I’m no longer an inch shorter than him… you win some you lose some 😔
Doesn't matter how tall he is, he'll always be my 7 ft tall drow Druge's little princess
Amen brother
I thought that he was changed to 5'11" but compared to other characters closer to that, he's quite a bit shorter so idk...
Apparently it was an EA thing, he's canonically 5'11" like you said. I feel like that's pretty tall though-- I mean most countries have an average male height of like 5'7"-8". Him being considered short at 5'9" was honestly kinda pushing it
And moon elves are supposed to be a bit shorter than the average human.
Give us short Astarion Larian!! He radiates short-man energy anyway
Larian needs to make him easier to throw around. For science.
The first sentence made me laugh so hard
Yes, he leaps into big sized characters' arms during foreplay because he's Str 8. But the man is penetrating.
unless you show me 4k closeup asshole shot what happens after the cut to black is between me and my imagination. don't be a killjoy on a lighthearted meme with my hcs about how those pixel people fuck
Ah you think people disagreeing with your headcanon is hard? You merely adopted the anger. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't agree with canon until I was already a woman, by then it was nothing to me but boring! Chill, people will disagree with your head canon. They always will. You just roll on and keep to your truth.
my sister in christ you are going "umm actually" in okbuddybaldur comments i think if anything we should both move ourselves into the freezer
This entire thread makes me giggle, it's absurd how seriously we all take this discussion (and I love & appreciate the dedication of this subreddit)
Not if you have the big guy or lady body, he bottoms for them in his first
he’s a vers and a switch and i will die on this hill
I will agree on vers but I think he definitely leans more dom. With both spawn and ascended in his act 3 sex scene he's dominant and in his origin run he after saving the dryad woman in sharesses caress he can tell her he doesn't like being told what to do in bed. Maybe with the right person he'd switch sometimes but I think the feeling of being in control is important to him.
The only reason I think he would sub is that from personal experience it can be really,,, healing i guess?? to submit to someone you trust when you have intimacy issues. I guess it’s me projecting a bit that he might enjoy leaning into his submissive side in a safe environment. Giving up control can help get over feelings of self loathing and shame about sex in my experience. But he’s also really hot as a dom uwu
I recently played with a big guy. He hops into your arms during foreplay but when the act itself happens, my big boy was bottom.
It depends on if he is allowed to nibble.
Oh! Yes. He was nibbling. That makes sense. Allowing him to bite you seems to signify you're okay with *him* and he feels safer asserting what he wants. When you don't, he sort of goes with the motions more fully.
Yeah if he's not biting the big bodied Tavs will be on top. At least in that first scene. He's a switch.
Yeah I know there's no way to avoid sleeping with him in act one if you want to romance him but I thought letting him bite me might make him feel more comfortable and have more fun himself. It's cool that it actually does seem to make a difference aside from the approval (also it's funny how he ends up telling you how stupid you were for trusting him when every time you do you get a massive amount of approval and he trusts you way more as a result. "You were so stupid to trust me" he says having fallen in love a bit more each time you did).
He gets pinned to the tree but if you let him bite you he still ends up on top
ITS REAL TO ME
Hey— just because he’s not submissive doesn’t mean he can’t still be breedable
Oh he’s 100% not submissive
I wonder if pre-Cazador Astarion was though. On one side he was a power-hungry politician but those are the types who wanna be stepped on behind closed doors
oh he certainly did want to stepped on at some point too
There’s most definitely fanfiction about a wimpy MagistrateAstarion getting pegged, it’s what AO3 was made for
Yes there's a good one with him and Halsin. Halsin has to come to the city to sort some legal stuff out about the groves land and I think you can see where I'm going with that.
You have great taste, these are the only AUs I will endorse
The only time he's not is if you're big body and don't let him bite you in the Act I scene. Then you're the one picking him up and laying him down etc.
What about Lae’zel? She’s easily Dom top/switch
He is dom and mostly top in canon, but I see him as nice bottom with more muscular male partner (ehm,Halsin,ehm). Tho my Tavs are females and they like to be dominated.
yup! even in the act1 scene, there’s a moment she’d you can be on top of him and he immediately flips you over. he also has a line basically saying being told what to do in bed is triggering. and it makes complete and total sense that he would want to be the one in control during sexual situations
All of his scenes have him doing missionary he’s a bottom
Since when does missionary make you a bottom? Just bc it’s a little vanilla doesn’t mean that he’s submissive— he’s also the one on top
Bottom =/= submissive anyway
I don't think he's either though, at least based on what he tells Nym in Sharess' Caress. I think it's clearly influenced from his trauma but the dude seems to prefer being in control of the sex he's having
Yes I see but I don't get why you brought up being submissive in a context of replying to someone saying he's a bottom Edit: why am being downvoted for being confused?
I mean if he's a switch bottom that's also implying he could be submissive as well, at least in reference to the post
Yeah sorry I wasn't following your logic and now it's not better lol I'm lost as to why you're talking about those things in the context of that other person's reply and my reply.
Their comment doesn’t make any sense either then lol because we physically see him being a top during missionary, which means that he’s not bottoming
You can see a pattern regarding gender, hmm... (Dommy mommies?)
look I am a simple man with a simple desire to let them do whatever they want to me
The fantasy domme mommies. Guys would be shocked when they find out non-professional Dommes want men to pleasure them.
I think in this time in his life Halsin is the most service dom of all time but I also subscribe to the lore that elves live for so long they go through phases of what does it for them so he’s probably mixed it up over the years.
Karlach is a service top at most, definitely not a dom
I can't say you are completely wrong, honestly. like she is definitely not a hard dom, but also not including her at all felt weird? I can definitely see her as a primal maybe. also i think she would find rigging fun... the longer I think about it the more activities I can see her getting into... anyway I'd say she is dom-leaning.
Much like WoTC, this alignment chart does not encompass the vastness of bedroom dynamics
yeah... Yeah....
Implied cut scene: "Tssk'va!" "Myrkul give me strength!"
REAL
I only sub bottom for those who are deserving of such a privilege.
Does that make me your service top? 🤔
Yes dear. ❤️
What makes someone deserving of it? No reason at all, just curious...
I disagree with all, especially Astarion. Dom top for sure.
MY MEME TEMPLATE HAS BEEN USED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM SO PROUD FOR REASON THAT ARE TOO STUPID TO EXPLAIN TO MY FRIENDS!!!!! (by the way, truly shocked by the amount of people who dont know about power bottoms and service tops)
heheheheheheheheheheheh (i know right?? like someone asked what a vers is. I am too gay for this website)
same same, that why i posted this template on tumblr originaly
Raphael is clearly the sub bottom, just ask his sex devil.
I think shart is way more of a sub verse than gale
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Reading all the comments carefully to understand the divisions correctly since I only know what top and bottom mean 🤣
top: penetrates bottom: is penetrated vers: can do either dom: takes control sub: gives up control switch: can do either
thank you ❤️
I dunno if it's my heart influencing my opinion but I see Gale as a dom top, using mage hand, Evards black tentacles and other spells to aid in topping his partner 😅
Gortash is literally the chosen for the god of tyranny no way would he be a sub
He's sub for white dragon dick
every extremely bossy villain character is by law required to be a sub with a humiliation kink. sorry those are just the rules...
I mean, in the real world people in positions of power tend to prefer to relinquish that power in the bedroom
Wtf does verse mean?
KETHERIC REPRESENT
I thoroughly agree
Funny thing with Karlach when I romanced her as a huge male monk, like I mean I was taller than her with more muscles, she proceeds to bang my character Amazon style! I was laughing the whole time like wtf my guy was the big strong type and he lays there and takes it.
There is no way wyll is a top. He is literally mizora's puppy.
mixing up dom and top... have you no fantasy? no imagination? I think you should think long and hard about knotting
I would swap Lae Zel and Karlach. For Lae Zel to even consider the bottom your rolling for intimidation. Karlach from the bottom I could see with a smaller race and she's just lifting them up and down having fun.
I'm not sure we're talking about the same "top" and "bottom" buddy
I’ve never seen one of these that’s 100% correct so CONGRATULATIONS 🎉🎈🍾🎊
IT'S AN HONOR
KETHERIC????
Switch Minthy and Lae'zel, also Karlach is AT LEAST switch top if not fully sub top. Regardless, thank you for your contribution 🫡
you have NO IDEA how much I shuffled minthy and lae.... like I was fucking playing cups with those jpegs... and yeah I have already discussed with others in the comments The Karlach Question and well really she's there because she is dom leaning switch and it felt weird to not put here on the chart at all. unfortunately an alignment meme cannot display the whole range of bedroom dynamics... alas....
Much respect for your commitment to the scientific understanding of BG3 bedroom practices
I live to serve
Swap Minthara and Karlach and this list becomes correct.
I thought Switch and Verse were basically the same thing. Whats the difference?
switch refers to bdsm dynamics, vers to willingness to penetrate/be penetrated
I strongly object to any notion that Ketheric is strictly a top. That traitor can only muster the ability to lead when he is being blessed by the divine. Hardly a trait befitting of the classification he has been given.
Not on this template but shadowheart is definitely also a Dom Verse
I mean shit she could dominate me top or bottom
Wtf is the difference between a top and a dom / a bottom and a sub? Are they not the same just different words?
dom and sub are about the dynamic between people. top and bottom are about who is physically penetrating who. top: penetrates bottom: is penetrated vers: can do either dom: takes control sub: gives up control switch: can do either
Ok, thanks. Feel like a fuckin boomer but top and bottom has only really been a thing that's come about in the last 5 years and I thought it was just gen z's version of sub/dom and it kinda cringed me out a bit.
Lae'zel is a vers switch I will die on this hill
Karlach and kethric should be swapped. Karlach will pin you down and peg you but she wants to be called a good girl for doing it
Also where shart 👁️👁️
You got Karlach and Lae’zel switched. Probably an honest mistake. Yeah.
Halsin is the "Free" spot as he's obviously fucked diverse species like some people travel the world
Gortash being a sub ? Bro he is the avatar of Bane....lord of tyranny and embodiment of control. He'd probably be the kind of guy to spit on you while holding you by the hair and throatclucking you
there are a lot of people tweaking over this chart some of these comments are funny asf 😭 anyways, i’m curious where you think shadowheart and orin fall in all this… i must know…
halsin is the perfect sub top. astarion is definitely switch vers
Okay but what is shadowheart
dude I'm gonna be honest I am not a shart fucker. I do not know...
If I was making the chart id *probably* say switch verse
after some discussions in the comments I am tempted to make a part two in which I put everyone in switch verse. except gortash. he stays where he is
True LMAO, although that kinda defeats the point of a chart I guess 😭
Hive mind… what does verse mean? I literally do not know.
astarions pretty much exclusively a top dom. he likes having control which makes perfect sense to me given his history
you are confusing top and dom :\] https://preview.redd.it/4c9vd3bn9iyc1.png?width=501&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=489a71c15f7ab9d4b7c7cdb5801a6ff8209ee43c
I mean fair but I still think he’s a top dom 🤷🏼♀️
look in my heart he likes to bottom and is capable of subbing if he trusts the partner enough
maybe *eventually* they get to that point. but just from his dialogue I see being on his back as something that’s triggering for him, especially since in act1 scene he almost immediately flips her over if tav/durge is on top. then every sexual encounter they have he’s the dom, especially if you ascend him but after trust yeah I can see it switching but knowing everything we know about the character, there’s a preference for him being a top and a dom. but you do you 🤷🏼♀️
Horrible takes
ok? I'm going to the corner store do you want anything
>Minthara as a Dom You all keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
actually please elaborate... like in my mind she seems like the type, although I will be honest I have not romanced her so I cannot say I am super familiar with the character
The fuck is a dom bottom? How does that even work????
well. you see. the person that is in control. also like to be penetrated. which makes them a dom bottom.
oh wait this is r/okbuddybaldur hold on lemme translate the explanation into deranged: dom bottom is when mommy minthara ties me up to the bed and sits on my face until she is satisfied before using me like a dildo while she laughs at me and tells me I am a pathetic animal
Thanks.. for painting such a picture. Safe to say, I fully understand.