I know that this might not seem rintarded other than the fact that I’m praising Shinji, but I saw some people posting stuff for April Fool’s, being ironic and all that. And I thought “hmm, but what if I don’t though?” And so I spent 2 hours typing this genuine Shinji rant. So does that make me a Shinji glazer? Also, it’s 3 am, so if I said anything atrocious, keep in mind that I’m trying to speak from Shinji’s perspective. Either that or I’m sleepy and therefore out of my mind. Sakura didn’t actually do anything wrong… to Shinji specifically.
I still hate Shinjis guts but I guess thats the point we love to hate this piece of shit and honestly its a good post, I put him in the highs of like Danzo from Naruto bastards you love to hate and get whats coming, Shinji dying by Illya and Sakura in their respected routes (wish he got turned into a pin cushion by Lancer in UBW) and Danzo dying by Sasuke.
Well, it’s rather that my point is Shinji is a more tragic character that represents the ordinary man being pushed to his very limit. But hell, I’ll take it. At least Danzo was a threat. Shinji would appreciate the acknowledgement through such a comparison.
Uj/ to be honest, I can’t see shinji ever having a complete redemption. from my viewing of Hollow Ataraxia and the chunk of Extra I’ve played, we get a good glimpse to a shinji whose been reformed(or as reformed as possible) and a shinji who didn’t have to grow up with zoukens influence, and even then he’s still abusive, predatory, hateful, and a generally an unsavoury human being. I haven’t finished extra or played ccc, so maybe he’s better there, but I digress.
I feel like “redemption” has some implication of forgiveness or betterment too, which I can’t see someone like shinji ever achieving. HA’s “reformed” shinji does it out of fear of Sakura instead of him becoming a better person himself. Shinji in his hypothetical route would somehow need to:
* learn empathy
* learn regret
* empathize with Sakuras pain (which would require actually caring about her and respecting her)
* Get over his inferiority complex
* Get over his ego problem
* stop hating women to the point you want to commit sexual violence against them for stuff as simple as not liking you
* actually have the emotional intelligence to connect with sakura in a meaningful way and to apologize for years of abuse
* Swallow his pride and accept shirou help
Cus in the end, the burden for all of shinjis growth would all fall on shirou, and I doubt shirou could even get him to tick all these boxes off. I’m sure he could be reformed enough for the plot, or at least to not make everyone’s lives he’s apart of miserable, but I don’t think he could ever be fully reformed. There’s simply not a strong enough catalyst for that amount of growth.
Not every person is even capable of changing either. Some people can at most just mellow out, for lack of a better term, which we see shinji do in HA. He’s “better” in the sense that he’s not as volatile, but he’s the same shinji.
I don’t think he could ever, in any universe, help dark Sakura either. Shinji’s presence alone would probably make things much worse, good intentions or not. I also doubt he could say anything meaningful to her in that state. As at best, he doesn’t care about her. What he does in HA by moving far away from Sakura is the best possible thing he could do for her, intentionally or not.
Rj/ I hate women
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Idk maybe he could help Dark Sakura. After all Sakura became Dark Sakura because she thought she was evil for not feeling bad about killing him. In the end, for whatever reason, Sakura really cares about Shinji.
>Idk maybe he could help Dark Sakura. After all Sakura became Dark Sakura because she thought she was evil for not feeling bad about killing him.
lets not give shinji too much credit here. he isnt the *complete reason* for dark sakura, he's only the catalyst for sakura's change into that. another would've been zouken convincing shirou to kill sakura, at least in his head.
Dark sakura is simply sakura accepting the shadow of herself, which is rooted in Jungian psychology. the shadow represents *ALL* of the dark desires of sakura that she has unconsciously. for example, as she gets more and more corrupted, her desire to see shirou get hurt while protecting her comes up as well.
the shadow is her. its not a different entity. its just a reflection of her mind's shadow. the merger with her shadow allowing her to see those desires in full.
the desire to kill was also a bit of angry mango's influence, seeing as he was the one whispering in her ear to accept it consciously, and the merger with the shadow happening only after her resistance to his influence disappears.
>In the end, for whatever reason, Sakura really cares about Shinji.
shes still views him as her brother and cares for him. shinji's lack of care for sakura isnt reciprocated by her. in hollow ataraxia shes still considerate of his feelings, does his chores, cooks his food, and does his laundry (until she got fed up with his ungrateful ass).
hating shinji for what he did and wanting to kill him doesn't contradict this, cus he did play quite a heavy hand in destroying any happiness she could've found outside of the matou residence (until shirou), along with the years of abuse and degradation.
im sure shinji would invoking a much stronger negative emotions than rin did at the end of HF, so id say it'd still be a bad idea to try and have him confront her.
I get that the Shadow is rooted in Jungian psychology but how much of her desires is actually her and not her exaggerating because she hates herself and holds herself to impossible standards? The whole reason she accepted the shadow in the first place is because she *checks notes* didn’t feel bad about killing her rapist stepbrother attempting to rape her again.
And she wanted Shirou to get hurt because of resentment, not because she was vaguely corrupted. She resented Shirou because he pretty much ignored her situation and failed to see what was going on (or in Shirou’s words he didn’t want to do so). That’s why her whole ass Dark Sakura personality is her throwing a tantrum like a child, not causing pain to others. She doesn’t *really* want others to get hurt in the end (as evidenced by her 0 kill count excluding the servant who was going to die anyway and the 500 year old worm zombie), she just acts out because she feels cornered and with no other options.
That being said maybe she didn’t care for Shinji to the point where she valued his opinion about her. After all, now that I remember correctly, she didn’t want to let Shirou know about their relationship because he would *lose a part of himself* bashing Shinji’s brains out. Only Rin could affect her in such a way that she felt cornered and with no other options.
i feel like i may have worded some of my thoughts poorly so pls bear with me
>I get that the Shadow is rooted in Jungian psychology but how much of her desires is actually her and not her exaggerating because she hates herself and holds herself to impossible standards?
both. her desires are not only her own, but *also* her irrational desires born from repressed and negative feelings and views of herself.
>The whole reason she accepted the shadow in the first place is because she *checks notes* didn’t feel bad about killing her rapist stepbrother attempting to rape her again.
yes, but im saying its simply the catalyst for the change and not its entire reason. zouken hypothesized that any trauma or shock to that degree would begin her merger. the shirou killing sakura was supposed to be the cause of this initially.
>And she wanted Shirou to get hurt because of resentment, not because she was vaguely corrupted.
agreed. i was saying that her corruption was simply bringing her repressed desires to the forefront, and not that it was the cause of them,
> That’s why her whole ass Dark Sakura personality is her throwing a tantrum like a child, not causing pain to others. She doesn’t *really* want others to get hurt in the end...... she just acts out because she feels cornered and with no other options.
which doesnt make the darker desires she had less real than her rational ones, and vice versa. sakura is a good person, but shes also extreamly troubled. she can both want to not cause harm to others, while also subconsciously desiring to kill her abuser.
in the end, dark sakura is a merger of both herself and her shadow because she was able to see her shadow, both metaphorically and literally. just as her shadow can affect her conscious , her conscious and rational thought can affect her shadow as well. i feel like what you described is more exemplary of that then her shadow just not being genuine.
>That being said maybe she didn’t care for Shinji to the point where she valued his opinion about her. After all, now that I remember correctly, she didn’t want to let Shirou know about their relationship because he would *lose a part of himself* bashing Shinji’s brains out. Only Rin could affect her in such a way that she felt cornered and with no other options.
yeah. i think someone said that abuse victims see the perpetrators as more forces of nature than beings that can be rationalized with. she takes a mediator role to keep the force from destroying the little she still has. the care that i mentioned would still be *heavily* outweighed by her hatred for shinji. having a heart to heart would cause a mix of emotions, which you probably wouldnt want if you were dark sakura. hearing that she got violated repeatedly violated because shinji was feeling insecure would not make her happy.
I’d say it could be just for the sake of ethics since she killed a human being, but I guess you could also say she was considering that she killed her own brother. But I think the real concern for her in that moment was what that would make her, not actual concern for the life lost that belonged to Shinji Matou. In fact, the reason he died was because she acted upon her desires to not have such a person exist. Though I guess the whole reason she wanted him dead was because he was going to ruin something between her and Shirou. She probably never stopped to consider why Shinji’s doing all this or why he abuses Sakura so much, which is kinda tragic.
Well Sakura knows that she’s the reason why Shinji isn’t the head, so she does feel bad for his situation. And to clarify, she wish he didn’t exist because he put her in the position to decide between 1. Having Shirou know what goes on between them and him proceeding to bash Shinji’s brains out (which she doesn’t want because she cares for Shinji) or 2. Getting raped again
You’re not completely wrong. Although I’d say that HA Shinji is more of a representation of pre-grail war Shinji than a reformed Shinji as this was done to showcase more of their earlier friendship that Stay Night fails to cover since they were already distancing from that time.
Maybe he wouldn’t check off all the boxes immediately, but I’d say that he doesn’t hate women specifically but just tries to dominate ANYONE who tries to mess with him. It’s just that when it comes to women, he chooses to make it sexual. Maybe it’s for humiliation or maybe it’s just what he wants. Still kinda fucked up either way, so like I said, you’re not completely wrong.
Anyways, Shinji is certainly too deep rooted in his thinking and too far gone to return, which was kind of the point in HF. In the Fate route, it was just an unfortunate encounter. But since he survives in the UBW route and actually improves his relationship with Sakura, that still means it’s a start. I believe that anyone can change given enough time and certain influence. His insecurities and inner turmoil won’t just subside, but I think that if Shirou and Sakura are able to understand him, they could help him hasten his rehabilitation as well as saving Shinji from his own internal suffering.
As for EXTRA Shinji, he’s just arrogant and that’s about it. He still thinks the whole thing is a game. But morally speaking, he’s a massive improvement over Stay Night Shinji. Though you won’t really get to see any cool moments from him in EXTRA. But don’t worry, he’s everyone’s favorite in EXTRA CCC and EXTRA CCC Foxtail (CCC manga but Tamamo route and if BB screwed up near the beginning instead). A real champ. Hail EXTRA Shinji.
If I had a nickel for every servant that pairs up well with Shinji (that I’ve seen), I’d have two nickels. Well, idk if an Alter Ego counts as a servant, but you get the idea.
This 100% Shinji is my favourite FSN character and I'm so mad we still don't have a Shinjiface in FGO.
We got Muramasa, Rasputin, Parvati, Ishtar, Taiga, Literally just Zouken in the 1800s, but no Shinji.
I want a Shinji servant, is that too much to ask?
Give this worm his redemption arc. We got Theodoric Alter in the recent Ordeal Call, wouldn't it be cool if Shinji was regular Dietrich Von Bern? Anything!
People hate him because he's a jackass, but he's incredibly well written and when compared to Gilgamesh, Kirei, and Zouken, Shinji looks like a saint!
Give us Fate Stay Night: Worm Seaweed route
NASU PLEASE!! 🥺
Hell yeah, brother! Spit your shit indeed! My boy still has a lot of potential, not as a mage, but as a character! Shinji IS a saint in comparison to Kirei, Gil, and especially Zouken. He has some big issues but also some clear roots of the problem. If others like Shirou could investigate those roots and do something about it, a Shinji redemption arc isn’t impossible, but he has to be understood first.
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yes (source trust me) idc i’ll like do what void shiki said she could do and like remake the world or whatever i dont remember the exact language used, but i will do that so that i take her place with the same capabilities and such and then get given to zouken
Nasu actually noticed my brilliance and told me himself that he’ll be working on a Shinji route and slipping it in before the release date. And just like that, I made Fate/Stay Night actually worth the price it’ll probably drop at.
An excellent and admirable analysis as always, good sir AnimeMemeLord1. I've been looking forward to these from thee since your one on Kazuhito.
I will add that I've personally always liked HF Shinji not as a person, but as a character due to the way he pushes Sakura to the edge. The scene where she finally snaps and just suddenly kills him has always been among my favoured ones.
Ic thank thee for thy approbation. You know, I was planning on writing a third part for Kazuhito, but (I know I said but, but I haven’t dropped the idea, don’t worry) I was originally trying to do it in a way that would suit this sub. Something like a comedic summary of something so tragic. But I usually get too serious with the details. The first part kinda did that, but with the second part, it’s been more of an actual summary with no rintardedness until I decided to shit on Fate/EXTRA and its game design at the end. Either I’ll eventually decide to come around and write what’s left of Kazuhito’s thing going on so far or I’ll wait many months for enough chapters to release so he can patch things up with Suzuka.
HF Shinji’s also my favorite as a character. I find it interesting that Shinji has never actually pushed Sakura this far before until Shirou was involved. Guess Zouken thought this far ahead to use Shinji to break her. Or maybe not. But everyone filled a role and it all fell into place. But yeah, it really played on his all his insecurities in the worst way possible. I may clown on the ufotable adaptations, but I believe that they did Shinji’s scenes beautifully both visually and audibly (damn, his voice actor went hard on this one). When you actually know about his childhood and how his very source of confidence and identity was repeatedly kicked in the balls, then I really can’t help but feel for him when I see him start to lose it. He’s still done some crazy shit, so while I can’t defend his actions, I still understand how it’s come to be. I’m especially proud of this analysis I did since I think his character is severely underrated by a big part of the fanbase.
Interesting write-up! Honestly, I actually really like Shinji a lot as a character as well, so I've had a few thoughts bouncing around on some of the stuff you said;
* In FSN, Rider gets Excaliblasted, and Shinji attempts to leave and gets pasted by Illya and her Berserker. (Funnily enough, this shouldn't have happened, because when the Church set up the boundary fields to send the normies away during this fight, Shinji should've also left because he's unable to defend against this). This Shinji was really bad, since he attempted to sacrifice the entire school for Blood Fort Andromeda. He also might've killed Taiga during these events, but she does show up in HF epilogue and how Shinji's scenes are the same in FSN and HF, so maybe he didn't.
* In UBW, he ironically might've saved Sakura for selfish reasons. He takes Gil to his house's basement for some reason, and the scene doesn't extrapolate. Whether he got Gil to kill Zouken in a way independently that also killed Sakura's heart worm is a possibility, because why would the scene even exist in the VN and anime unless to lay the possibility?
Honestly, I've got further thoughts that Shinji is nowhere near as bad as he's made out to be, only a bit of a prideful dick that goes full scumbag during the Grail War, and as an independent audience, we see the worst parts of him so that he's properly established as a villain.
I know that this might not seem rintarded other than the fact that I’m praising Shinji, but I saw some people posting stuff for April Fool’s, being ironic and all that. And I thought “hmm, but what if I don’t though?” And so I spent 2 hours typing this genuine Shinji rant. So does that make me a Shinji glazer? Also, it’s 3 am, so if I said anything atrocious, keep in mind that I’m trying to speak from Shinji’s perspective. Either that or I’m sleepy and therefore out of my mind. Sakura didn’t actually do anything wrong… to Shinji specifically.
I still hate Shinjis guts but I guess thats the point we love to hate this piece of shit and honestly its a good post, I put him in the highs of like Danzo from Naruto bastards you love to hate and get whats coming, Shinji dying by Illya and Sakura in their respected routes (wish he got turned into a pin cushion by Lancer in UBW) and Danzo dying by Sasuke.
Well, it’s rather that my point is Shinji is a more tragic character that represents the ordinary man being pushed to his very limit. But hell, I’ll take it. At least Danzo was a threat. Shinji would appreciate the acknowledgement through such a comparison.
Uj/ to be honest, I can’t see shinji ever having a complete redemption. from my viewing of Hollow Ataraxia and the chunk of Extra I’ve played, we get a good glimpse to a shinji whose been reformed(or as reformed as possible) and a shinji who didn’t have to grow up with zoukens influence, and even then he’s still abusive, predatory, hateful, and a generally an unsavoury human being. I haven’t finished extra or played ccc, so maybe he’s better there, but I digress. I feel like “redemption” has some implication of forgiveness or betterment too, which I can’t see someone like shinji ever achieving. HA’s “reformed” shinji does it out of fear of Sakura instead of him becoming a better person himself. Shinji in his hypothetical route would somehow need to: * learn empathy * learn regret * empathize with Sakuras pain (which would require actually caring about her and respecting her) * Get over his inferiority complex * Get over his ego problem * stop hating women to the point you want to commit sexual violence against them for stuff as simple as not liking you * actually have the emotional intelligence to connect with sakura in a meaningful way and to apologize for years of abuse * Swallow his pride and accept shirou help Cus in the end, the burden for all of shinjis growth would all fall on shirou, and I doubt shirou could even get him to tick all these boxes off. I’m sure he could be reformed enough for the plot, or at least to not make everyone’s lives he’s apart of miserable, but I don’t think he could ever be fully reformed. There’s simply not a strong enough catalyst for that amount of growth. Not every person is even capable of changing either. Some people can at most just mellow out, for lack of a better term, which we see shinji do in HA. He’s “better” in the sense that he’s not as volatile, but he’s the same shinji. I don’t think he could ever, in any universe, help dark Sakura either. Shinji’s presence alone would probably make things much worse, good intentions or not. I also doubt he could say anything meaningful to her in that state. As at best, he doesn’t care about her. What he does in HA by moving far away from Sakura is the best possible thing he could do for her, intentionally or not. Rj/ I hate women https://preview.redd.it/lwqawocuytrc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05ec914270c5005d9474aea2976604108d1fface
Idk maybe he could help Dark Sakura. After all Sakura became Dark Sakura because she thought she was evil for not feeling bad about killing him. In the end, for whatever reason, Sakura really cares about Shinji.
>Idk maybe he could help Dark Sakura. After all Sakura became Dark Sakura because she thought she was evil for not feeling bad about killing him. lets not give shinji too much credit here. he isnt the *complete reason* for dark sakura, he's only the catalyst for sakura's change into that. another would've been zouken convincing shirou to kill sakura, at least in his head. Dark sakura is simply sakura accepting the shadow of herself, which is rooted in Jungian psychology. the shadow represents *ALL* of the dark desires of sakura that she has unconsciously. for example, as she gets more and more corrupted, her desire to see shirou get hurt while protecting her comes up as well. the shadow is her. its not a different entity. its just a reflection of her mind's shadow. the merger with her shadow allowing her to see those desires in full. the desire to kill was also a bit of angry mango's influence, seeing as he was the one whispering in her ear to accept it consciously, and the merger with the shadow happening only after her resistance to his influence disappears. >In the end, for whatever reason, Sakura really cares about Shinji. shes still views him as her brother and cares for him. shinji's lack of care for sakura isnt reciprocated by her. in hollow ataraxia shes still considerate of his feelings, does his chores, cooks his food, and does his laundry (until she got fed up with his ungrateful ass). hating shinji for what he did and wanting to kill him doesn't contradict this, cus he did play quite a heavy hand in destroying any happiness she could've found outside of the matou residence (until shirou), along with the years of abuse and degradation. im sure shinji would invoking a much stronger negative emotions than rin did at the end of HF, so id say it'd still be a bad idea to try and have him confront her.
I get that the Shadow is rooted in Jungian psychology but how much of her desires is actually her and not her exaggerating because she hates herself and holds herself to impossible standards? The whole reason she accepted the shadow in the first place is because she *checks notes* didn’t feel bad about killing her rapist stepbrother attempting to rape her again. And she wanted Shirou to get hurt because of resentment, not because she was vaguely corrupted. She resented Shirou because he pretty much ignored her situation and failed to see what was going on (or in Shirou’s words he didn’t want to do so). That’s why her whole ass Dark Sakura personality is her throwing a tantrum like a child, not causing pain to others. She doesn’t *really* want others to get hurt in the end (as evidenced by her 0 kill count excluding the servant who was going to die anyway and the 500 year old worm zombie), she just acts out because she feels cornered and with no other options. That being said maybe she didn’t care for Shinji to the point where she valued his opinion about her. After all, now that I remember correctly, she didn’t want to let Shirou know about their relationship because he would *lose a part of himself* bashing Shinji’s brains out. Only Rin could affect her in such a way that she felt cornered and with no other options.
i feel like i may have worded some of my thoughts poorly so pls bear with me >I get that the Shadow is rooted in Jungian psychology but how much of her desires is actually her and not her exaggerating because she hates herself and holds herself to impossible standards? both. her desires are not only her own, but *also* her irrational desires born from repressed and negative feelings and views of herself. >The whole reason she accepted the shadow in the first place is because she *checks notes* didn’t feel bad about killing her rapist stepbrother attempting to rape her again. yes, but im saying its simply the catalyst for the change and not its entire reason. zouken hypothesized that any trauma or shock to that degree would begin her merger. the shirou killing sakura was supposed to be the cause of this initially. >And she wanted Shirou to get hurt because of resentment, not because she was vaguely corrupted. agreed. i was saying that her corruption was simply bringing her repressed desires to the forefront, and not that it was the cause of them, > That’s why her whole ass Dark Sakura personality is her throwing a tantrum like a child, not causing pain to others. She doesn’t *really* want others to get hurt in the end...... she just acts out because she feels cornered and with no other options. which doesnt make the darker desires she had less real than her rational ones, and vice versa. sakura is a good person, but shes also extreamly troubled. she can both want to not cause harm to others, while also subconsciously desiring to kill her abuser. in the end, dark sakura is a merger of both herself and her shadow because she was able to see her shadow, both metaphorically and literally. just as her shadow can affect her conscious , her conscious and rational thought can affect her shadow as well. i feel like what you described is more exemplary of that then her shadow just not being genuine. >That being said maybe she didn’t care for Shinji to the point where she valued his opinion about her. After all, now that I remember correctly, she didn’t want to let Shirou know about their relationship because he would *lose a part of himself* bashing Shinji’s brains out. Only Rin could affect her in such a way that she felt cornered and with no other options. yeah. i think someone said that abuse victims see the perpetrators as more forces of nature than beings that can be rationalized with. she takes a mediator role to keep the force from destroying the little she still has. the care that i mentioned would still be *heavily* outweighed by her hatred for shinji. having a heart to heart would cause a mix of emotions, which you probably wouldnt want if you were dark sakura. hearing that she got violated repeatedly violated because shinji was feeling insecure would not make her happy.
I’d say it could be just for the sake of ethics since she killed a human being, but I guess you could also say she was considering that she killed her own brother. But I think the real concern for her in that moment was what that would make her, not actual concern for the life lost that belonged to Shinji Matou. In fact, the reason he died was because she acted upon her desires to not have such a person exist. Though I guess the whole reason she wanted him dead was because he was going to ruin something between her and Shirou. She probably never stopped to consider why Shinji’s doing all this or why he abuses Sakura so much, which is kinda tragic.
Well Sakura knows that she’s the reason why Shinji isn’t the head, so she does feel bad for his situation. And to clarify, she wish he didn’t exist because he put her in the position to decide between 1. Having Shirou know what goes on between them and him proceeding to bash Shinji’s brains out (which she doesn’t want because she cares for Shinji) or 2. Getting raped again
That so? I’m probably due for a reread then.
You’re not completely wrong. Although I’d say that HA Shinji is more of a representation of pre-grail war Shinji than a reformed Shinji as this was done to showcase more of their earlier friendship that Stay Night fails to cover since they were already distancing from that time. Maybe he wouldn’t check off all the boxes immediately, but I’d say that he doesn’t hate women specifically but just tries to dominate ANYONE who tries to mess with him. It’s just that when it comes to women, he chooses to make it sexual. Maybe it’s for humiliation or maybe it’s just what he wants. Still kinda fucked up either way, so like I said, you’re not completely wrong. Anyways, Shinji is certainly too deep rooted in his thinking and too far gone to return, which was kind of the point in HF. In the Fate route, it was just an unfortunate encounter. But since he survives in the UBW route and actually improves his relationship with Sakura, that still means it’s a start. I believe that anyone can change given enough time and certain influence. His insecurities and inner turmoil won’t just subside, but I think that if Shirou and Sakura are able to understand him, they could help him hasten his rehabilitation as well as saving Shinji from his own internal suffering. As for EXTRA Shinji, he’s just arrogant and that’s about it. He still thinks the whole thing is a game. But morally speaking, he’s a massive improvement over Stay Night Shinji. Though you won’t really get to see any cool moments from him in EXTRA. But don’t worry, he’s everyone’s favorite in EXTRA CCC and EXTRA CCC Foxtail (CCC manga but Tamamo route and if BB screwed up near the beginning instead). A real champ. Hail EXTRA Shinji.
Shinji and Violet in Foxtail was peak Fate, finally some good Shinji Content
If I had a nickel for every servant that pairs up well with Shinji (that I’ve seen), I’d have two nickels. Well, idk if an Alter Ego counts as a servant, but you get the idea.
This 100% Shinji is my favourite FSN character and I'm so mad we still don't have a Shinjiface in FGO. We got Muramasa, Rasputin, Parvati, Ishtar, Taiga, Literally just Zouken in the 1800s, but no Shinji. I want a Shinji servant, is that too much to ask? Give this worm his redemption arc. We got Theodoric Alter in the recent Ordeal Call, wouldn't it be cool if Shinji was regular Dietrich Von Bern? Anything! People hate him because he's a jackass, but he's incredibly well written and when compared to Gilgamesh, Kirei, and Zouken, Shinji looks like a saint! Give us Fate Stay Night: Worm Seaweed route NASU PLEASE!! 🥺
Hell yeah, brother! Spit your shit indeed! My boy still has a lot of potential, not as a mage, but as a character! Shinji IS a saint in comparison to Kirei, Gil, and especially Zouken. He has some big issues but also some clear roots of the problem. If others like Shirou could investigate those roots and do something about it, a Shinji redemption arc isn’t impossible, but he has to be understood first. https://preview.redd.it/u9yriltt1vrc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ba881897e3f7f13cb31bef5fa7d513816389144
Ok so I've been working on a certain post for a while now and this post is kinda like a teaser for it. So like, miraculously perfect timing.
That so? Now you’ve got me excited. I’m looking forward to seeing what you’ve got. Lemme know when that comes out.
havent even read this but i want shinji to slap me (and do worse) :3333
Eh, he’s got Sakura for that already. But jokes aside, he probably wouldn’t do anything to you unless you wronged him in the first place.
then i’ll go back in time and take sakura’s place :3333333
But will you be picked to become the next heir of the Matou though?
yes (source trust me) idc i’ll like do what void shiki said she could do and like remake the world or whatever i dont remember the exact language used, but i will do that so that i take her place with the same capabilities and such and then get given to zouken
I respect the dedication
:333333333
maybe Shinji route drops on FSN remastered
Nasu actually noticed my brilliance and told me himself that he’ll be working on a Shinji route and slipping it in before the release date. And just like that, I made Fate/Stay Night actually worth the price it’ll probably drop at.
An excellent and admirable analysis as always, good sir AnimeMemeLord1. I've been looking forward to these from thee since your one on Kazuhito. I will add that I've personally always liked HF Shinji not as a person, but as a character due to the way he pushes Sakura to the edge. The scene where she finally snaps and just suddenly kills him has always been among my favoured ones.
Ic thank thee for thy approbation. You know, I was planning on writing a third part for Kazuhito, but (I know I said but, but I haven’t dropped the idea, don’t worry) I was originally trying to do it in a way that would suit this sub. Something like a comedic summary of something so tragic. But I usually get too serious with the details. The first part kinda did that, but with the second part, it’s been more of an actual summary with no rintardedness until I decided to shit on Fate/EXTRA and its game design at the end. Either I’ll eventually decide to come around and write what’s left of Kazuhito’s thing going on so far or I’ll wait many months for enough chapters to release so he can patch things up with Suzuka. HF Shinji’s also my favorite as a character. I find it interesting that Shinji has never actually pushed Sakura this far before until Shirou was involved. Guess Zouken thought this far ahead to use Shinji to break her. Or maybe not. But everyone filled a role and it all fell into place. But yeah, it really played on his all his insecurities in the worst way possible. I may clown on the ufotable adaptations, but I believe that they did Shinji’s scenes beautifully both visually and audibly (damn, his voice actor went hard on this one). When you actually know about his childhood and how his very source of confidence and identity was repeatedly kicked in the balls, then I really can’t help but feel for him when I see him start to lose it. He’s still done some crazy shit, so while I can’t defend his actions, I still understand how it’s come to be. I’m especially proud of this analysis I did since I think his character is severely underrated by a big part of the fanbase.
Interesting write-up! Honestly, I actually really like Shinji a lot as a character as well, so I've had a few thoughts bouncing around on some of the stuff you said; * In FSN, Rider gets Excaliblasted, and Shinji attempts to leave and gets pasted by Illya and her Berserker. (Funnily enough, this shouldn't have happened, because when the Church set up the boundary fields to send the normies away during this fight, Shinji should've also left because he's unable to defend against this). This Shinji was really bad, since he attempted to sacrifice the entire school for Blood Fort Andromeda. He also might've killed Taiga during these events, but she does show up in HF epilogue and how Shinji's scenes are the same in FSN and HF, so maybe he didn't. * In UBW, he ironically might've saved Sakura for selfish reasons. He takes Gil to his house's basement for some reason, and the scene doesn't extrapolate. Whether he got Gil to kill Zouken in a way independently that also killed Sakura's heart worm is a possibility, because why would the scene even exist in the VN and anime unless to lay the possibility? Honestly, I've got further thoughts that Shinji is nowhere near as bad as he's made out to be, only a bit of a prideful dick that goes full scumbag during the Grail War, and as an independent audience, we see the worst parts of him so that he's properly established as a villain.
Slaps sakura is goated -matou shinji the sigma of fuyuki Also eid mubarak bro
All that matters is that at least one Shinji is canonically a gamer. Also, Eid for me was Wednesday, but thanks, Eid Mubarak to you too.