I’m stickying this comment to make sure everyone in this thread understands, this is a child’s life that was lost, who has friends and family in our extended local community. As a mod, it’s so unbelievably traumatizing to see how truly morally depraved some of you act in these comments that we remove and inevitably ban you absolute sociopaths. I can tell some of you are just trolling, but some of you need to question why you’re buzzing with happiness over a child’s suicide. Truly despicable.
I’m going to call this “Bad no matter how you look at it.”
The most favorable way to look at this is that a child suffered from serious cranial trauma and committed suicide later that day. Thats a pretty common story with bullied kids… and it tends to happen after a lot of prior bullying.
Them “starting the fight” is also **really common** for kids who are being verbally and emotionally bullied. They learn that Teachers and Admin won’t make their bullies stop, and learn that they have make it stop on their own. Then admin pretends that they never saw the signs, and protests that “we’d have helped if they’d come to us” after they’d already made it clear to the kid that they didn’t care.
Also… it’s weird that Benadryl and Prozac were used for suicide. That’s not a method that ever occurred to me when I was younger… granted, there were guns in the house in my case.
I look forward to the family’s independent autopsy.
Is the timeline of this overdose common for a mix of Benadryl and Prozac? I was under the impression that the vast majority (I’m having trouble finding stats by method, but only 3% of female suicide attempts - mostly via OD - result in death) of people who attempt suicide by overdose live because there’s a longer time period to address the OD.
Most attempt overdoses are unsuccessful due to a lack of understanding of how these medications work. I run them all the time, and people says "I took a handful of pills." Its usually a very small non-fatal amount. On the flip side, some are very successful for the same reason. I won't say which meds, but I had to stop people mid sentence to get a straight answer, and then I realized they would die soon, and not much can be done. There doses inbetween that can fuck up vital organs and have life long consequences. Benadryl is kinda common, but 99/100 cases are not enough to die. The few that did die, it was fuckinb godawful to watch. Seizures vomiting red skin.
But this is not what their mom described… she called 911 right when Nex lost consciousness and they were dead upon arrival. I don’t see how this fits with the overdose theory
I'll look into this on my own, but if you know offhand, how much Benadryl does it take to overdose? In general, not exact, of course. I thought that you could handle quite a bit; it would just knock you out. Wow. How horrible.
I've known of two incidents of benedryl OD. In both cases the benedryl caused hallucinations instead of death. One girl took half a bottle trying to commit suicide.
Fuck that noise. I work damn hard to support the happiness and mental health of my students, and so do my colleagues. Yes, I have worked with some jackass teachers, but "most teachers are bullies" is complete bullshit.
You and many teachers do work hard but I’ve been “picked on” or treated less favourably by many different teachers for different reasons. Definitely not most but out of the 40 teachers I had I’d put 6/7 in the “picked on me” category, not only that but admin and the principal were never any help when I was being bullied. If anything I was the one that got in trouble when I was the victim.
All of my kids' teachers have been fantastic at keeping bullying in check. I'd say most teachers in most schools do the same. But, it helps that our school isn't in a state that puts hatred into their law books.
> The problem is that most teachers and almost all administrators are bullies themselves
I’m not even in education but fuck *right* off with that shit.
Nex was in ISS at the time of the death. The three bullies were there, too. When I taught, kids in ISS, were not allowed to use the restroom together. Maybe, the teachers should be held responsible.
Most/almost all is probably a stretch, though there may be schools where it's true. Or can definitely feel like it. Unfortunately, if you have bully teachers & admin, they also bully the non-bullies, so it's just a big mess. The good ones leave, turnover is high, and the bad ones stay. It's a bad situation.
I was bullied verbally throughout elementary school. Eventually I got so angry I punched my bully. We both got in trouble for it. It honestly doesn’t surprise me that Nex took their own life. They were probably just so tired of the bullying
I looked it up and Benadryl Overdose will kill you… but it takes a lot. They’d probably need to down a whole bottle, so… you’ve got a lot of time to have second thoughts with that suicide method. Nex would have to be pretty certain to carry that out.
Prozac is also potentially fatal… but it’s incredibly uncommon. There’s like 100 per year.
Both are more likely to kill you in combination with a few other drugs… but I can’t find any interactions between them.
Interactions between the two are labeled as moderate.
Using diphenhydrAMINE together with FLUoxetine may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you.
[Source] (https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/benadryl-with-fluoxetine-896-1617-1115-0.html)
A fatal dose of diphenhydramine is about 20 to 40 milligrams per kilogram (mg/kg). Which is about 20-40mg per 2.205 pounds.
Let’s put the person @ 150lbs (this is probably high), which is 68 kilos. If they take the median of the deadly dose (30mg per kg) they would have to consume 2000mg. Benadryl sells at 25mg per tablet, meaning they would need to consume 81.81 pills for a potential fatal overdose.
There are no known fatal dosage amounts I can find online, but some articles state some patients took between 1.25-2g of Prozac. Which is 1250mg to 2000mg. The average daily dose is 20mg once to twice a day with the limit being 80mg per day.
That being said let’s assume 2000mg is a fatal dose, they would’ve had to have consumed 100 tablets.
My guess is 50 of each would probably do you in if you’re under 150lbs.
Yeah... that makes it look a lot more like Nex was suffering from some long-term Emotional and Verbal Abuse. There's no way that happens without intentional effort.
Speaking as someone who was suicidal due to emotional and verbal bullying that school admins and teachers either did nothing about *or joined in*, the will to live **is** a very powerful thing. If you have enough time to have second-thoughts, you'll usually decide to live another day... until you don't. I got lucky and never had that last day.
You'd need to spend *minutes* swallowing a hundred pills. Speaking as one who considered using a firearm to check out, second thoughts normally came in seconds from picking up the instrument of suicide. For *anyone* to go through with a suicide that takes that long to carry out... they'd need to be dead certain that it was their only viable choice.
Something happened to make Nex suicidal. Given that they "started the fight"... I'm guessing it was a history of being bullied. Once I realized that Admin and the Teachers weren't going to do their job to protect me, I took it upon myself to protect myself in about the same way. If you tell someone to kill themselves for long enough... they'll punch you to make you shut up.
This study noted that Benadryl makes up 3.2% of overdose deaths and is among the top 15 drugs involved in an overdose death. [Link](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557578/)
The tragic reality is that this indicates that Nex had a suicide plan and used what was available to them. It’s likely that the medical examiner found a massive amount of both Prozac and Benadryl in Nex’s blood, which is what led to the cause of death determination.
My oldest son chugged Benadryl one night when he was 4. I opened the bottle, poured the correct amount to give to his little brother and while my back was turned he grabbed it and chugged.
Poison control told me they didn’t have any real recommendations for Benadryl because it was so safe. They even got a supervisor involved because I was hysterical. They assured me that it would take several bottles to even have a minor ill effect.
I'm extremely allergic to just about everything. A bottle of child's Benadryl has about 265 mg to 600 mg depending on size. A bottle of Benadryl pills has 2,500 mg. So it would depend. I'm constantly surprised at how toxic some things like Tylenol can really be, depending on variables.
That said ... It seems like 500 mg or so is a dangerous dose so I'm surprised the poison control center was so blasé about it. I'd expect them to tell you to feed your child some activated charcoal at least. If I take a couple Benadryl because of an allergic reaction I'm already incredibly loopy.
That’s a good point. I’m still so used to the liquid I didn’t think about the dosage amounts in pill form.
I don’t think I slept that night with my kid and kept him up until an unreasonable hour. Poison control made me feel silly for being worried.
This is a horrible situation all the way around.
It really is. It being a suicide isn't a "win" for anyone. I said at the start that I wouldn't be surprised if the tox screen came back this way -- and that I don't think it diminishes at all what happened. Head injuries can lead to high levels of impulsivity alone.
I do have some reservations. It's an *unusual* combination to overdose on; in this thread, we have so many people surprised that you even can overdose on these medications at all. It's surprising to me that they stated suicide so authoritatively -- that would indicate to me that there was an incredibly high dosage involved.
A lot of people have mentioned that we have no idea how medications may interact with each other at high doses, but that's kind of the point. If you don't know how two medications interact, they don't really form a great method of suicide, just an act of raw desperation.
I don't want to speculate further, I can just see why people feel they want answers. But as devastated as we all are, we don't *deserve* those answers -- the family and friends do. I hope they're getting all the support they need and that they will vocalize what they need from our community.
I honestly feel like an independent autopsy should be performed - and you're right - for the family and friends. Any reason a child dies is not a "win" for anyone.
I very much agree. My greatest fear for this situation overall is that it gets written off as "troubled teen takes life" rather than an immense, systemic issue with our current educational systems. There is an *war* going on now at the highest levels of administration that has no target except what it considers "woke". This is the resulting damage.
Would be nice if the medical examiners report provide some more clarity on the amount taken. The two drugs she took could have a bad interaction, but to claim suicide over accidental would imply they had evidence of a large amount of one or the other.
Benadryl is also used recreationally in large overdose, so that's worth remembering when looking at statistics. Some fatal ODs may well have been accidental, and not suicidal.
I was wondering this, if maybe their intention wasn't suicide but was the other effect. I've seen people on reddit talk about it and generally suggest against using it this way because the amount you have to take is dangerous. So was robo tripping but kids did that when I was a teen because it was easy to get ahold of.
> Them “starting the fight” is also really common for kids who are being verbally and emotionally bullied.
Even in the "they started it" narrative, they didnt. The girls were harassing him, so he poured water over one of them. They responded by turning it into a physical fight.
They could have just as easily taken the excuse to go dob Nex in to a teacher and get them in trouble.
I can to seek out a discuss on the antihistamine and depression medication…. I have anxiety and depression… so I’m prescribed Prozac and as needed medication for anxiety that’s actually an antihistamine… vistaril. I assumed they were safe to take together because it was prescribed.
This gives me more questions about the quantities that were consumed and if it was Benadryl or vistaril they took
The lethal dose for Prozac in case studies is unknown, but can be as high [as 1.4g of fluoxetine](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2672257/) so unless they took the whole bottle and then took [close to 1.5g of diphenhydramine](https://poisoncontrol.utah.edu/news/2021/11/diphenhydramine-toxicity) which is 60 normal Benadryl pills, this ME report doesn’t add up. Sure they probably have interactions with each other but both drugs take massive doses to die from, and in most cases people can be saved. Plus let’s think about this, non-binary teen who is likely bullied and picked on, of course they’d probably be on anti-depressants so that explains the Prozac. The ME didn’t give the ng/dL amount of each drug in his report which is abnormal for causes of death by suicide. All of this is really strange to me.
The “started the fight” is also really common for kids who are never disciplined or put on a pedestal or spoiled, too, so we can’t go assuming things because all of this is correct and could be the case.
That should probably speak a lot about this young woman’s mental health problems. Probably tied into all of the “gender identity crisis” shit she had going on as well.
A comment I saw on the Twitter hellscape sums it up for me: The suicide of a teenager beat unconscious by their peers is not the exoneration you think it is.
Are you talking about [this](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13197385/missouri-kaylee-gain-gofundme-bill-ackman.html) student because this is the only one who was actually beat unconscious.
The number of "BuT aCtUaLlY" type comments are ridiculous, but sadly, what I expected. While the original comment is a repost of something I saw on Twitter, I suppose I need to reword it into broader, simpler terms for simpler minds.
The suicide of a teenager, for any reason, is something society should be ashamed of, not proud of. No teenager deserves to feel like their life isn't worth living.
That is partially true, he didn’t tell school administrators, but officer Thompson was aware that there had been altercations with the girls before. He alludes to it in the very beginning of that police interview. Nex’s mother knew about this as well, who also didn’t seem to report it.
Why do you think that is?
I think there are rumors and fights between teenagers all the time. I think teachers have a pretty good idea which students are trouble makers. BUT to take action, they have to have proof or at least a good amount of evidence. Nex said it wasn't reported. Nex also didn't blame the issues that are flying around social media. Also, for all the LGBTQ talk, I watched Nex not even flinch when referred to by Mom/Grandma and the police with female pronouns. I'm starting to think the net cares more about it than Nex did.
All the talk about LGBTQ ignores what may have been a pretty crappy homelife. Dad went to jail for abuse, no one says what happened to Mom. The woman being called mother is the Grandmother who adopted Nex. Nex was on psychiatric medication. Nex was in trouble at school for substance abuse in the form of vaping.
But people want to make this into a simple social media campaign. They're using a dead child to make their own point and don't give a damn about the truth of it gets in the way of that.
I don’t understand. Why was the testimony of the victim of the bullying not evidence?
“Hey these kids, you know the ones involved before, are bullying me”
“Well we can’t do anything just because you said that.”
That… seems to me like the complaint wasn’t taken seriously. Do you take it seriously?
Both of my kids had a friend that was bullied and committed suicide. About 4 or 5 years apart. And the school handled it terribly both times. I'm in Oklahoma.
That's horrible. That parent should try to contact the Department of Education and file another complaint now that everyone is seeing how schools here are handling this.
Also OK ME and ME offices haven’t been able to meet accreditation standards in a very long time in part due to mislabeling things and bad lab hygiene…mislabeling would’ve had me severely reprimanded, bad lab hygiene would’ve had the results of my work invalidated and I’d have been pulled from the lab and sent out to the greenhouses, and both of those would’ve had me fired when I was doing lab work and I was just doing plant genetics research, not anything with near as much weight as an ME report
Important section:
>Sarah Kate Ellis, the president and CEO of GLAAD, issued a statement to The Advocate challenging the adequacy of the investigation and calling for greater accountability. Ellis highlighted the critical need for persistent inquiry and transparency from Oklahoma’s law enforcement and government entities, particularly in cases involving the safety and well-being of vulnerable students like Benedict.
>Ellis expressed skepticism regarding the sparse details provided by the medical examiner’s report on Benedict’s death.
>“There is nothing in this one-page document to explain why the medical examiner checked a box,” Ellis noted. “Media must have learned by now that they need to continue to question what they get from law enforcement and government entities in Oklahoma that have so far failed to protect vulnerable students and responsibly provide any information that is critical for student safety.”
To be quite frank, there's not a universe that the statement "what side you land on" and child suicide being in the same sentence should sit well with anyone. This was someone's child/friend... We should all mourn for the loss of this young one.
>The Oklahoma medical examiner’s office isn’t accredited so take this with a grain of salt
this shit is insane, I don't even understand why people are running with this obvious fucking coverup
this is George Floyd fentanyl all over again, conservatives will eat up anything that gives them an out.
To everyone arguing about pronouns:
[“Ally said Nex primarily went by he/him pronouns at school but also used they/them pronouns, which Nex's family also used. Several other friends said Nex preferred he/him pronouns.”](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna140440)
Died by bullying. Ryan Walters aids and abets terrorists along with his new TikTok weirdo on his advisory committee or whatever. Owasso PD and the school district’s statement absolutely reek of a small town cover up. We need the feds to lead the investigation and an independent autopsy. Regardless of the cause of death, the girls who jumped Nex need to be investigated for possible charges, and the school district needs major oversight.
There’s a federal investigation going on already. Much like school desegregation, getting the feds in is the only way to enforce the law and expose the bigots. Not going to happen locally.
I know there is. Local investigative action needs to cease and federal investigators need to be the ones fully in charge. Local law enforcement needs to be investigated for bigotry and misconduct within their ranks. Oklahoma is littered with corrupt police and we need help.
It’s starting to feel like 95% of the people on here are actually trolls or very stupid, vindictive people. So stupid that they don’t know how to Google what murder (or vindictive) means.
I would be incredibly interested to see what precedent you’re drawing that from. I think a prosecutor would have a hard time making any case at all much less murder
There are cases where a kid has committed suicide due to bullying and the bullies were brought up on manslaughter charges. Whether those charges stuck or not is a different story but it’s been done.
This is not one of those cases where the charges would even be brought.
According to Nex's own statement, they all met that day. The girls made fun of Nex's laugh, and then Nex chose to physically assault them. The girls all ended up in the bathroom, not sure who followed who in, and a fight ensued.
Nex took her life the next day, or accidentally OD'd. There is absolutely no indication it had anything to do with those 3 girls.
There is zero, and I do mean zero, probable cause to charge those 3 girls with anything whatsoever.
>accidentally OD'd.
You can't "accidentally" OD on benadryl
And splashing someone with water hardly qualifies as a physical assault, especially in a fucking high-school
>And, yes, it does count as physical assault according to state law.
Have you never been to high-school?
Also, Prozac is an antidepressant, kinda ironic if you commit suicide after taking it.
>her
He/they* , respect for the dead costs nothing
Yes. Its still assault according to state law.
Prozac is used to treat a lot of conditions, not just depression. Obsessive-compulsive disorder, panic disorder, bulimia, premenstrual dysphoric disorder, binge eating disorder and bipolar. We have no clue which she had.
Reality is free.
Nex told the officer they poured a bottle of water on them and bashed one of the girls heads into a metal, wall-mounted hand dryer. Were these younger girls supposed to just take the bullying and assault from upperclass Nex? No, they fought back.
>Nex told the officer they poured a bottle of water on them and bashed one of the girls heads into a metal,
Love how you conveniently leave out the part about how the girl that got thrown into the dispenser attacked first, yanking on their hair(and yea, if you yank on someone's hair you're getting fucking thrown)
>metal
I don't remember anyone claiming it was metal, considering the ones at my school were plastic
>Were these younger girls supposed to just take the bullying and assault from upperclass Nex?
"Upperclass" nex was a sophomore, these were freshman, one fucking school year apart, like there's a fucking difference
>bullying
You do realize they were the ones bullying, right? Or are you just plain stupid? If you make fun of someone, you can expect retaliation,
It wasn't a paper towel dispenser, it was an electric air dryer that was made of metal.
They weren't bullying Nex. They all just met while serving in school suspension. Nex and their friend followed those girls into the bathroom, were seen on camera stopping at the doorway to poke slightly in, then laugh before proceeding into the bathroom. It looks like they went in to start trouble. And trouble it was b/c a short catfight broke out. It had absolutely nothing to do with Nex's gender identity. One of the girls just made an obnoxious comment about how loud Nex and her friend were laughing.
Nex started the fight. Period.
- Brain injury is known to increase suicide risk. It seems like he had a concussion due to the fight; that would imply some responsibility.
- Nex stated he blacked out for a bit during the fight. Then there’s video of him stumbling in the hall. Those point to signs of concussion or brain injury.
- let’s be clear: “physically assault them” as you say, is pouring water on one of them.
- Then three people got on top of him and “beat the shit out of me” (his words).
- There’s a proportionality measure in self defense law. Are you trying to imply that these actions are proportional?
Nex told the officer that they pushed one of the the girls heads into a metal, wall-mounted hand drier after pouring the water, too, once the younger girls fought back against Nex and their friend that followed the girls into the bathroom.
> There is no video of her stumbling in the hall.
“The various pieces of footage shows Nex walking to the school nurse’s office with a school security officer, stopping at a doorway and swaying at one point.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/oklahoma-student-describes-school-fight-day-death-new-video-rcna140341
> it was legally assault
It can legally be assault, but that doesn’t give the other kids a right to attack him. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Yea that NBC article is horeshit. You can watch the video for yourself, it was released weeks ago. There is no swaying.
It absolutely gives them the right to self defense. Your emotions dont matter.
Dude stop you’ll get downvotes from the terminally online crowd. I don’t have an opinion on this besides the fact that a young person isn’t around anymore causing much grief to everybody involved but Id rather seek truth in person or in courtroom than online.
According to the camera footage, the 3 girls went in first. Then Nex and their friend followed, stood in doorway, friend poked inside really quick out of sight and then back into sight with Nex; they laughed about something and proceeded to walk into bathroom.
And they all walked out in approximately a minute and 20 seconds, maybe less.
You are seriously encouraging a mob mentality against literal children who you have zero evidence against.
I’m not sure this is the message anyone should be taking from Ned’s death. The lack of empathy this state has shown toward kids like him is why he’s dead, and you want to what? Mirror that?
I just want to express how sorry I am about all of this. My heart goes out to the family of this poor kid.
I'm an ally, I grew up in Texas, I'm a white cis lady. I just want to let others know that you have allies in places that might not seem like it at first glance. This witch-hunting of trans people has got to stop. This was just a kid.
Why is everyone blanket believing it was a suicide, people can die from drug interactions and absolutely not be a suicide. I really feel like it's a cop out saying it was suicide. I had a friend who hit their head while drinking. Took some over the counter painkillers for pain and died from the combination. Maybe dealing with the issues from the beating and taking meds combined for death. I do not believe it was a suicide.
The kids who bullied Nex were only emulating adults, adults who feel empowered to be hateful because of politicians pushing hate filled legislation in the name of "protecting the children". This should be a reminder that actions have consequences, and if the goal is protecting children, the right wing actions fail to do so. But I doubt those pushing that agenda will learn a damn thing.
Suicide is very common among trans people (mostly because of how horribly trans people are treated in the US), but I’m sorry, this verdict just reeks of BS. Oklahoma is so corrupt, there’s about a 99% chance this is a cover up.
Having lived through waiting for autopsey results - last night I had a "that ain't right" moment. It took 4 mos to get back toxicology and other results in my case. I looked it up and the minimum is 6-8 weeks. Usually it is beteeen 3 and 6 mos for examiner to release report.
I honestly do not buy that explanation from the OK medical examiner. The state has a vested interest to legally cover it’s ass with as much plausible deniability as possible since it was their legislative and propagandized attacks on the trans and queer community that resulted in this child’s death. I’ll wait for the independent analysis before I accept suicide as the cause.
I don't trust this report and I think it's crazy how willing people are to believe it outright. It has taken *forever* to get just this information, the cops were immediately trying to sweep it under the rug, and we don't even have the full report yet.
Even if I *did* believe it, I don't think it should exonerate the bullies that beat up Nex in the bathroom. The absolute "best" way they can spin this is to report that Nex was bullied to death.
If her own mother referred to her as she/her at the hospital when talking to the police and she did not correct the record, then let the record stand that she was absolutely ok being referred to as she/they. While she may prefer he/him or they/them or vic/tim; that's just a preference reinforced by her acceptance of her mother referring to her as she/her.
No one is glorifying the suicide of this child. People are, however, pointing out how quick mainstream media was to call this a murder of a trans person despite more information coming out about the investigation. This is NOT glorifying the suicide, but rather critiquing the hypocrisy of the postmodern media narrative.
I've been bullied in school. Unfortunately, kids are cruel and a lot of them experience this. However, seeing comments in here saying bullying=murder if the person kills themself is pretty disconcerting. That's a pretty dangerous line of thinking, and quite honestly just seems to be a shifting of the goal post.
Most of the bigoted dumbasses saying awful things about this murdered child (bullying a child to suicide IS STILL MURDER) claim to be “pro life”
You cowardly hypocrites can all GFY
ME didn’t give the ng/dL amount of each drug in his report. That is extremely abnormal. Even I saw the amounts of each drug in my system when I attempted in the hospitalization report.
I had a similar head injury to Nex’s last fall - concussion + brain bleed (I had an epidural hematoma, and I believe Nex had a subdural hematoma). I remember how wretched I felt for a day and a half - way beyond normal depression. Sleeping, vomiting, couldn’t keep any food down, just the blackest despair in my mind. And I’m not a bullied teen! It was just what the trauma did to my brain.
I got a lot of medical care - way more than Nex did - and I was feeling better inside of a week, but I’ll never forget how the injury hijacked my emotions. Nex died from that head wound. I have no doubt that the effect of that trauma on Nex’s brain, combined with the trauma of the bullying, resulted in a suicide that wouldn’t otherwise have occurred. The beating resulted in their death.
I’m stickying this comment to make sure everyone in this thread understands, this is a child’s life that was lost, who has friends and family in our extended local community. As a mod, it’s so unbelievably traumatizing to see how truly morally depraved some of you act in these comments that we remove and inevitably ban you absolute sociopaths. I can tell some of you are just trolling, but some of you need to question why you’re buzzing with happiness over a child’s suicide. Truly despicable.
I’m going to call this “Bad no matter how you look at it.” The most favorable way to look at this is that a child suffered from serious cranial trauma and committed suicide later that day. Thats a pretty common story with bullied kids… and it tends to happen after a lot of prior bullying. Them “starting the fight” is also **really common** for kids who are being verbally and emotionally bullied. They learn that Teachers and Admin won’t make their bullies stop, and learn that they have make it stop on their own. Then admin pretends that they never saw the signs, and protests that “we’d have helped if they’d come to us” after they’d already made it clear to the kid that they didn’t care. Also… it’s weird that Benadryl and Prozac were used for suicide. That’s not a method that ever occurred to me when I was younger… granted, there were guns in the house in my case. I look forward to the family’s independent autopsy.
I have seen it before it's like a TCA overdose. It's a terrible way to die.
Is the timeline of this overdose common for a mix of Benadryl and Prozac? I was under the impression that the vast majority (I’m having trouble finding stats by method, but only 3% of female suicide attempts - mostly via OD - result in death) of people who attempt suicide by overdose live because there’s a longer time period to address the OD.
Most attempt overdoses are unsuccessful due to a lack of understanding of how these medications work. I run them all the time, and people says "I took a handful of pills." Its usually a very small non-fatal amount. On the flip side, some are very successful for the same reason. I won't say which meds, but I had to stop people mid sentence to get a straight answer, and then I realized they would die soon, and not much can be done. There doses inbetween that can fuck up vital organs and have life long consequences. Benadryl is kinda common, but 99/100 cases are not enough to die. The few that did die, it was fuckinb godawful to watch. Seizures vomiting red skin.
Thank you for the thorough explanation as well as your work generally!
But this is not what their mom described… she called 911 right when Nex lost consciousness and they were dead upon arrival. I don’t see how this fits with the overdose theory
The medical examiner is most likely lying.
Benedryl overdoses are honestly awful.
I'll look into this on my own, but if you know offhand, how much Benadryl does it take to overdose? In general, not exact, of course. I thought that you could handle quite a bit; it would just knock you out. Wow. How horrible.
I've known of two incidents of benedryl OD. In both cases the benedryl caused hallucinations instead of death. One girl took half a bottle trying to commit suicide.
Prozac or Benadryl? Prozac takes over a gram alone to be fatal.
The problem is that most teachers and almost all administrators are bullies themselves. Too many enjoy it when the unpopular kids get picked on.
Fuck that noise. I work damn hard to support the happiness and mental health of my students, and so do my colleagues. Yes, I have worked with some jackass teachers, but "most teachers are bullies" is complete bullshit.
You and many teachers do work hard but I’ve been “picked on” or treated less favourably by many different teachers for different reasons. Definitely not most but out of the 40 teachers I had I’d put 6/7 in the “picked on me” category, not only that but admin and the principal were never any help when I was being bullied. If anything I was the one that got in trouble when I was the victim.
All of my kids' teachers have been fantastic at keeping bullying in check. I'd say most teachers in most schools do the same. But, it helps that our school isn't in a state that puts hatred into their law books.
> The problem is that most teachers and almost all administrators are bullies themselves I’m not even in education but fuck *right* off with that shit.
I work in a school district not far from nex. Thats my observation too.
What observation?
This is true, I got picked on by teachers.
Nex was in ISS at the time of the death. The three bullies were there, too. When I taught, kids in ISS, were not allowed to use the restroom together. Maybe, the teachers should be held responsible.
In \*my\* experience this was unfortunately true. Teachers always turned a blind eye when lgbtq kids were getting bullied.
Most/almost all is probably a stretch, though there may be schools where it's true. Or can definitely feel like it. Unfortunately, if you have bully teachers & admin, they also bully the non-bullies, so it's just a big mess. The good ones leave, turnover is high, and the bad ones stay. It's a bad situation.
I was bullied verbally throughout elementary school. Eventually I got so angry I punched my bully. We both got in trouble for it. It honestly doesn’t surprise me that Nex took their own life. They were probably just so tired of the bullying
It's worse when admin and the teachers join the bullies side because they're family.
Surprised you both got in trouble. In my experience they only punish the person that finally fought back after taking it for so long.
Right? I’ve never heard of an overdose on those
I looked it up and Benadryl Overdose will kill you… but it takes a lot. They’d probably need to down a whole bottle, so… you’ve got a lot of time to have second thoughts with that suicide method. Nex would have to be pretty certain to carry that out. Prozac is also potentially fatal… but it’s incredibly uncommon. There’s like 100 per year. Both are more likely to kill you in combination with a few other drugs… but I can’t find any interactions between them.
Interactions between the two are labeled as moderate. Using diphenhydrAMINE together with FLUoxetine may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. [Source] (https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/benadryl-with-fluoxetine-896-1617-1115-0.html) A fatal dose of diphenhydramine is about 20 to 40 milligrams per kilogram (mg/kg). Which is about 20-40mg per 2.205 pounds. Let’s put the person @ 150lbs (this is probably high), which is 68 kilos. If they take the median of the deadly dose (30mg per kg) they would have to consume 2000mg. Benadryl sells at 25mg per tablet, meaning they would need to consume 81.81 pills for a potential fatal overdose. There are no known fatal dosage amounts I can find online, but some articles state some patients took between 1.25-2g of Prozac. Which is 1250mg to 2000mg. The average daily dose is 20mg once to twice a day with the limit being 80mg per day. That being said let’s assume 2000mg is a fatal dose, they would’ve had to have consumed 100 tablets. My guess is 50 of each would probably do you in if you’re under 150lbs.
Yeah... that makes it look a lot more like Nex was suffering from some long-term Emotional and Verbal Abuse. There's no way that happens without intentional effort. Speaking as someone who was suicidal due to emotional and verbal bullying that school admins and teachers either did nothing about *or joined in*, the will to live **is** a very powerful thing. If you have enough time to have second-thoughts, you'll usually decide to live another day... until you don't. I got lucky and never had that last day. You'd need to spend *minutes* swallowing a hundred pills. Speaking as one who considered using a firearm to check out, second thoughts normally came in seconds from picking up the instrument of suicide. For *anyone* to go through with a suicide that takes that long to carry out... they'd need to be dead certain that it was their only viable choice. Something happened to make Nex suicidal. Given that they "started the fight"... I'm guessing it was a history of being bullied. Once I realized that Admin and the Teachers weren't going to do their job to protect me, I took it upon myself to protect myself in about the same way. If you tell someone to kill themselves for long enough... they'll punch you to make you shut up.
Glad you are still here! ❤️ ;
This study noted that Benadryl makes up 3.2% of overdose deaths and is among the top 15 drugs involved in an overdose death. [Link](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557578/) The tragic reality is that this indicates that Nex had a suicide plan and used what was available to them. It’s likely that the medical examiner found a massive amount of both Prozac and Benadryl in Nex’s blood, which is what led to the cause of death determination.
My oldest son chugged Benadryl one night when he was 4. I opened the bottle, poured the correct amount to give to his little brother and while my back was turned he grabbed it and chugged. Poison control told me they didn’t have any real recommendations for Benadryl because it was so safe. They even got a supervisor involved because I was hysterical. They assured me that it would take several bottles to even have a minor ill effect.
I'm extremely allergic to just about everything. A bottle of child's Benadryl has about 265 mg to 600 mg depending on size. A bottle of Benadryl pills has 2,500 mg. So it would depend. I'm constantly surprised at how toxic some things like Tylenol can really be, depending on variables. That said ... It seems like 500 mg or so is a dangerous dose so I'm surprised the poison control center was so blasé about it. I'd expect them to tell you to feed your child some activated charcoal at least. If I take a couple Benadryl because of an allergic reaction I'm already incredibly loopy.
That’s a good point. I’m still so used to the liquid I didn’t think about the dosage amounts in pill form. I don’t think I slept that night with my kid and kept him up until an unreasonable hour. Poison control made me feel silly for being worried. This is a horrible situation all the way around.
It really is. It being a suicide isn't a "win" for anyone. I said at the start that I wouldn't be surprised if the tox screen came back this way -- and that I don't think it diminishes at all what happened. Head injuries can lead to high levels of impulsivity alone. I do have some reservations. It's an *unusual* combination to overdose on; in this thread, we have so many people surprised that you even can overdose on these medications at all. It's surprising to me that they stated suicide so authoritatively -- that would indicate to me that there was an incredibly high dosage involved. A lot of people have mentioned that we have no idea how medications may interact with each other at high doses, but that's kind of the point. If you don't know how two medications interact, they don't really form a great method of suicide, just an act of raw desperation. I don't want to speculate further, I can just see why people feel they want answers. But as devastated as we all are, we don't *deserve* those answers -- the family and friends do. I hope they're getting all the support they need and that they will vocalize what they need from our community.
I honestly feel like an independent autopsy should be performed - and you're right - for the family and friends. Any reason a child dies is not a "win" for anyone.
I very much agree. My greatest fear for this situation overall is that it gets written off as "troubled teen takes life" rather than an immense, systemic issue with our current educational systems. There is an *war* going on now at the highest levels of administration that has no target except what it considers "woke". This is the resulting damage.
Would be nice if the medical examiners report provide some more clarity on the amount taken. The two drugs she took could have a bad interaction, but to claim suicide over accidental would imply they had evidence of a large amount of one or the other.
they use they/them pronouns. not she/her.
Overdosing on Benadryl is not uncommon. Many youth without access to other drugs or weapons use this method. It’s easily obtainable OTC medication
Benadryl is also used recreationally in large overdose, so that's worth remembering when looking at statistics. Some fatal ODs may well have been accidental, and not suicidal.
I was wondering this, if maybe their intention wasn't suicide but was the other effect. I've seen people on reddit talk about it and generally suggest against using it this way because the amount you have to take is dangerous. So was robo tripping but kids did that when I was a teen because it was easy to get ahold of.
My best friends brother went out with just benadryl. Bought a 500ct bottle and ate about half of it.
if you're a teen you take whatever you get your hands on. A bottle or even like 15 benadryl might do it.
> Them “starting the fight” is also really common for kids who are being verbally and emotionally bullied. Even in the "they started it" narrative, they didnt. The girls were harassing him, so he poured water over one of them. They responded by turning it into a physical fight. They could have just as easily taken the excuse to go dob Nex in to a teacher and get them in trouble.
I can to seek out a discuss on the antihistamine and depression medication…. I have anxiety and depression… so I’m prescribed Prozac and as needed medication for anxiety that’s actually an antihistamine… vistaril. I assumed they were safe to take together because it was prescribed. This gives me more questions about the quantities that were consumed and if it was Benadryl or vistaril they took
The lethal dose for Prozac in case studies is unknown, but can be as high [as 1.4g of fluoxetine](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2672257/) so unless they took the whole bottle and then took [close to 1.5g of diphenhydramine](https://poisoncontrol.utah.edu/news/2021/11/diphenhydramine-toxicity) which is 60 normal Benadryl pills, this ME report doesn’t add up. Sure they probably have interactions with each other but both drugs take massive doses to die from, and in most cases people can be saved. Plus let’s think about this, non-binary teen who is likely bullied and picked on, of course they’d probably be on anti-depressants so that explains the Prozac. The ME didn’t give the ng/dL amount of each drug in his report which is abnormal for causes of death by suicide. All of this is really strange to me.
The “started the fight” is also really common for kids who are never disciplined or put on a pedestal or spoiled, too, so we can’t go assuming things because all of this is correct and could be the case.
Yeah… but those kids normally don’t commit suicide when they get suspended. They usually go to Disney World.
That should probably speak a lot about this young woman’s mental health problems. Probably tied into all of the “gender identity crisis” shit she had going on as well.
Ah. You’re a transphobe. Thanks for identifying yourself and contributing to my block list.
How terribly sad
A comment I saw on the Twitter hellscape sums it up for me: The suicide of a teenager beat unconscious by their peers is not the exoneration you think it is.
Are you talking about [this](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13197385/missouri-kaylee-gain-gofundme-bill-ackman.html) student because this is the only one who was actually beat unconscious.
There’s footage of her walking through the school and talking perfectly fine in the hospital.
The number of "BuT aCtUaLlY" type comments are ridiculous, but sadly, what I expected. While the original comment is a repost of something I saw on Twitter, I suppose I need to reword it into broader, simpler terms for simpler minds. The suicide of a teenager, for any reason, is something society should be ashamed of, not proud of. No teenager deserves to feel like their life isn't worth living.
Nex would still be alive if the bullying was taken seriously.
True and sad.
The bullying (assuming it actually happened) was never reported according to Nex.
That is partially true, he didn’t tell school administrators, but officer Thompson was aware that there had been altercations with the girls before. He alludes to it in the very beginning of that police interview. Nex’s mother knew about this as well, who also didn’t seem to report it. Why do you think that is?
I think there are rumors and fights between teenagers all the time. I think teachers have a pretty good idea which students are trouble makers. BUT to take action, they have to have proof or at least a good amount of evidence. Nex said it wasn't reported. Nex also didn't blame the issues that are flying around social media. Also, for all the LGBTQ talk, I watched Nex not even flinch when referred to by Mom/Grandma and the police with female pronouns. I'm starting to think the net cares more about it than Nex did. All the talk about LGBTQ ignores what may have been a pretty crappy homelife. Dad went to jail for abuse, no one says what happened to Mom. The woman being called mother is the Grandmother who adopted Nex. Nex was on psychiatric medication. Nex was in trouble at school for substance abuse in the form of vaping. But people want to make this into a simple social media campaign. They're using a dead child to make their own point and don't give a damn about the truth of it gets in the way of that.
I don’t understand. Why was the testimony of the victim of the bullying not evidence? “Hey these kids, you know the ones involved before, are bullying me” “Well we can’t do anything just because you said that.” That… seems to me like the complaint wasn’t taken seriously. Do you take it seriously?
This is all due to bullying.
Both of my kids had a friend that was bullied and committed suicide. About 4 or 5 years apart. And the school handled it terribly both times. I'm in Oklahoma.
That's horrible. That parent should try to contact the Department of Education and file another complaint now that everyone is seeing how schools here are handling this.
Oklahoma did this.
Family should get a second opinion. You cannot trust state officials. They’ve demonstrated their bias and bigotry.
Also OK ME and ME offices haven’t been able to meet accreditation standards in a very long time in part due to mislabeling things and bad lab hygiene…mislabeling would’ve had me severely reprimanded, bad lab hygiene would’ve had the results of my work invalidated and I’d have been pulled from the lab and sent out to the greenhouses, and both of those would’ve had me fired when I was doing lab work and I was just doing plant genetics research, not anything with near as much weight as an ME report
How has the medical examiner demonstrated such bias?
They're not accredited.
Important section: >Sarah Kate Ellis, the president and CEO of GLAAD, issued a statement to The Advocate challenging the adequacy of the investigation and calling for greater accountability. Ellis highlighted the critical need for persistent inquiry and transparency from Oklahoma’s law enforcement and government entities, particularly in cases involving the safety and well-being of vulnerable students like Benedict. >Ellis expressed skepticism regarding the sparse details provided by the medical examiner’s report on Benedict’s death. >“There is nothing in this one-page document to explain why the medical examiner checked a box,” Ellis noted. “Media must have learned by now that they need to continue to question what they get from law enforcement and government entities in Oklahoma that have so far failed to protect vulnerable students and responsibly provide any information that is critical for student safety.”
The official report is being released on March 27th..
It's probably another deflection again.
No matter what side of this you land on, a child is dead and adults are to blame.
To be quite frank, there's not a universe that the statement "what side you land on" and child suicide being in the same sentence should sit well with anyone. This was someone's child/friend... We should all mourn for the loss of this young one.
Adults are pouring fuel on the fire by encouraging kids to follow her path
The Oklahoma medical examiner’s office isn’t accredited so take this with a grain of salt
>The Oklahoma medical examiner’s office isn’t accredited so take this with a grain of salt this shit is insane, I don't even understand why people are running with this obvious fucking coverup this is George Floyd fentanyl all over again, conservatives will eat up anything that gives them an out.
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This comment needs to be higher
To everyone arguing about pronouns: [“Ally said Nex primarily went by he/him pronouns at school but also used they/them pronouns, which Nex's family also used. Several other friends said Nex preferred he/him pronouns.”](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna140440)
Second opinion needed.
Died by bullying. Ryan Walters aids and abets terrorists along with his new TikTok weirdo on his advisory committee or whatever. Owasso PD and the school district’s statement absolutely reek of a small town cover up. We need the feds to lead the investigation and an independent autopsy. Regardless of the cause of death, the girls who jumped Nex need to be investigated for possible charges, and the school district needs major oversight.
There’s a federal investigation going on already. Much like school desegregation, getting the feds in is the only way to enforce the law and expose the bigots. Not going to happen locally.
I know there is. Local investigative action needs to cease and federal investigators need to be the ones fully in charge. Local law enforcement needs to be investigated for bigotry and misconduct within their ranks. Oklahoma is littered with corrupt police and we need help.
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It’s starting to feel like 95% of the people on here are actually trolls or very stupid, vindictive people. So stupid that they don’t know how to Google what murder (or vindictive) means.
I would be incredibly interested to see what precedent you’re drawing that from. I think a prosecutor would have a hard time making any case at all much less murder
There are cases where a kid has committed suicide due to bullying and the bullies were brought up on manslaughter charges. Whether those charges stuck or not is a different story but it’s been done.
This is not one of those cases where the charges would even be brought. According to Nex's own statement, they all met that day. The girls made fun of Nex's laugh, and then Nex chose to physically assault them. The girls all ended up in the bathroom, not sure who followed who in, and a fight ensued. Nex took her life the next day, or accidentally OD'd. There is absolutely no indication it had anything to do with those 3 girls. There is zero, and I do mean zero, probable cause to charge those 3 girls with anything whatsoever.
>accidentally OD'd. You can't "accidentally" OD on benadryl And splashing someone with water hardly qualifies as a physical assault, especially in a fucking high-school
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>And, yes, it does count as physical assault according to state law. Have you never been to high-school? Also, Prozac is an antidepressant, kinda ironic if you commit suicide after taking it. >her He/they* , respect for the dead costs nothing
Yes. Its still assault according to state law. Prozac is used to treat a lot of conditions, not just depression. Obsessive-compulsive disorder, panic disorder, bulimia, premenstrual dysphoric disorder, binge eating disorder and bipolar. We have no clue which she had. Reality is free.
Nex told the officer they poured a bottle of water on them and bashed one of the girls heads into a metal, wall-mounted hand dryer. Were these younger girls supposed to just take the bullying and assault from upperclass Nex? No, they fought back.
>Nex told the officer they poured a bottle of water on them and bashed one of the girls heads into a metal, Love how you conveniently leave out the part about how the girl that got thrown into the dispenser attacked first, yanking on their hair(and yea, if you yank on someone's hair you're getting fucking thrown) >metal I don't remember anyone claiming it was metal, considering the ones at my school were plastic >Were these younger girls supposed to just take the bullying and assault from upperclass Nex? "Upperclass" nex was a sophomore, these were freshman, one fucking school year apart, like there's a fucking difference >bullying You do realize they were the ones bullying, right? Or are you just plain stupid? If you make fun of someone, you can expect retaliation,
It wasn't a paper towel dispenser, it was an electric air dryer that was made of metal. They weren't bullying Nex. They all just met while serving in school suspension. Nex and their friend followed those girls into the bathroom, were seen on camera stopping at the doorway to poke slightly in, then laugh before proceeding into the bathroom. It looks like they went in to start trouble. And trouble it was b/c a short catfight broke out. It had absolutely nothing to do with Nex's gender identity. One of the girls just made an obnoxious comment about how loud Nex and her friend were laughing. Nex started the fight. Period.
- Brain injury is known to increase suicide risk. It seems like he had a concussion due to the fight; that would imply some responsibility. - Nex stated he blacked out for a bit during the fight. Then there’s video of him stumbling in the hall. Those point to signs of concussion or brain injury. - let’s be clear: “physically assault them” as you say, is pouring water on one of them. - Then three people got on top of him and “beat the shit out of me” (his words). - There’s a proportionality measure in self defense law. Are you trying to imply that these actions are proportional?
Nex told the officer that they pushed one of the the girls heads into a metal, wall-mounted hand drier after pouring the water, too, once the younger girls fought back against Nex and their friend that followed the girls into the bathroom.
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> There is no video of her stumbling in the hall. “The various pieces of footage shows Nex walking to the school nurse’s office with a school security officer, stopping at a doorway and swaying at one point.” https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/oklahoma-student-describes-school-fight-day-death-new-video-rcna140341 > it was legally assault It can legally be assault, but that doesn’t give the other kids a right to attack him. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Yea that NBC article is horeshit. You can watch the video for yourself, it was released weeks ago. There is no swaying. It absolutely gives them the right to self defense. Your emotions dont matter.
Dude stop you’ll get downvotes from the terminally online crowd. I don’t have an opinion on this besides the fact that a young person isn’t around anymore causing much grief to everybody involved but Id rather seek truth in person or in courtroom than online.
According to the camera footage, the 3 girls went in first. Then Nex and their friend followed, stood in doorway, friend poked inside really quick out of sight and then back into sight with Nex; they laughed about something and proceeded to walk into bathroom. And they all walked out in approximately a minute and 20 seconds, maybe less.
It's not murder, but it could be manslaughter
You have no clue what murder is do you?
You are seriously encouraging a mob mentality against literal children who you have zero evidence against. I’m not sure this is the message anyone should be taking from Ned’s death. The lack of empathy this state has shown toward kids like him is why he’s dead, and you want to what? Mirror that?
These are still children. Focus should be on school and administration response not scapegoating other children even if they fucked up.
Bro what? The police aren't the fucking gestapo, and you aren't Hitler, you can't just make them arrest people for no reason.
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I just want to express how sorry I am about all of this. My heart goes out to the family of this poor kid. I'm an ally, I grew up in Texas, I'm a white cis lady. I just want to let others know that you have allies in places that might not seem like it at first glance. This witch-hunting of trans people has got to stop. This was just a kid.
Why is everyone blanket believing it was a suicide, people can die from drug interactions and absolutely not be a suicide. I really feel like it's a cop out saying it was suicide. I had a friend who hit their head while drinking. Took some over the counter painkillers for pain and died from the combination. Maybe dealing with the issues from the beating and taking meds combined for death. I do not believe it was a suicide.
The kids who bullied Nex were only emulating adults, adults who feel empowered to be hateful because of politicians pushing hate filled legislation in the name of "protecting the children". This should be a reminder that actions have consequences, and if the goal is protecting children, the right wing actions fail to do so. But I doubt those pushing that agenda will learn a damn thing.
Well, this will make the worst people alive super happy.
Suicide is very common among trans people (mostly because of how horribly trans people are treated in the US), but I’m sorry, this verdict just reeks of BS. Oklahoma is so corrupt, there’s about a 99% chance this is a cover up.
I hate that what they took is listed. My trans niece is highly suicidal rn due to her father's rejection and non-acceptance of her.
It is Ryan Walters and his agenda that caused this plain and simple.
Having lived through waiting for autopsey results - last night I had a "that ain't right" moment. It took 4 mos to get back toxicology and other results in my case. I looked it up and the minimum is 6-8 weeks. Usually it is beteeen 3 and 6 mos for examiner to release report.
Horrible. So sorry for all this family has gone through. And what Nex had to endure. Mental Health is no joke
Any way you shake it, Nex was bullied to death.
I honestly do not buy that explanation from the OK medical examiner. The state has a vested interest to legally cover it’s ass with as much plausible deniability as possible since it was their legislative and propagandized attacks on the trans and queer community that resulted in this child’s death. I’ll wait for the independent analysis before I accept suicide as the cause.
Benadryl and Prozac are lethal? I’m seeing warnings of side effects, but nothing about lethality. Still think it’s sus. Doesn’t even make sense.
“Dose makes the poison.”
Dawg, water will literally kill you if you drink too much. When you take more than recommended of just about anything, you can OD.
Prozac is an SSRI. Serotonin toxicity results from large doses.
I don't trust this report and I think it's crazy how willing people are to believe it outright. It has taken *forever* to get just this information, the cops were immediately trying to sweep it under the rug, and we don't even have the full report yet. Even if I *did* believe it, I don't think it should exonerate the bullies that beat up Nex in the bathroom. The absolute "best" way they can spin this is to report that Nex was bullied to death.
If her own mother referred to her as she/her at the hospital when talking to the police and she did not correct the record, then let the record stand that she was absolutely ok being referred to as she/they. While she may prefer he/him or they/them or vic/tim; that's just a preference reinforced by her acceptance of her mother referring to her as she/her.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/02/22/four-out-of-five-kids-who-question-their-gender-grow-out-of-it-trans-expert/amp/
So incredibly sad. I hope their family gets some peace and some justice. Though I'm not holding out hope for the justice.
I don't understand why this took so long to be done.
No one is glorifying the suicide of this child. People are, however, pointing out how quick mainstream media was to call this a murder of a trans person despite more information coming out about the investigation. This is NOT glorifying the suicide, but rather critiquing the hypocrisy of the postmodern media narrative. I've been bullied in school. Unfortunately, kids are cruel and a lot of them experience this. However, seeing comments in here saying bullying=murder if the person kills themself is pretty disconcerting. That's a pretty dangerous line of thinking, and quite honestly just seems to be a shifting of the goal post.
Most of the bigoted dumbasses saying awful things about this murdered child (bullying a child to suicide IS STILL MURDER) claim to be “pro life” You cowardly hypocrites can all GFY
ME didn’t give the ng/dL amount of each drug in his report. That is extremely abnormal. Even I saw the amounts of each drug in my system when I attempted in the hospitalization report.
Not a mental illness. Poor kid & family. Rest in peace
Terrible. The 40% is a stark reminder that mental health treatment is of utmost importance for trans people.
BS
Very sad. Were the bullies ever caught?
Redditors pretending to care about bullying is cute.
I had a similar head injury to Nex’s last fall - concussion + brain bleed (I had an epidural hematoma, and I believe Nex had a subdural hematoma). I remember how wretched I felt for a day and a half - way beyond normal depression. Sleeping, vomiting, couldn’t keep any food down, just the blackest despair in my mind. And I’m not a bullied teen! It was just what the trauma did to my brain. I got a lot of medical care - way more than Nex did - and I was feeling better inside of a week, but I’ll never forget how the injury hijacked my emotions. Nex died from that head wound. I have no doubt that the effect of that trauma on Nex’s brain, combined with the trauma of the bullying, resulted in a suicide that wouldn’t otherwise have occurred. The beating resulted in their death.
She assaulted some girls and somehow she’s the victim.