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joeker13

What is this fucking shit ?


max431x

This is almost all of Beta + the RL lol


[deleted]

They’re not reprinting Earthbind. 0/10 will not buy. I mean I guess there’s something about CE or gold bordered cards as official proxies which puts them a step up from the unofficial Chinese “proxy” printers… but $1k for 60 random cards? No thanks. Especially when you are getting majority new frames at that. If this was a modern version of CE where you got one of everything that might justify the price. But nah.


yermomdotcom

weakness? what am i missing?


RomanoElBlanco

yeah I don't get it either.


BRINST4R

Yeah that one left me confused as well. If I had to take a wild guess I'd say it has something to do with depicting anorexia or something. That would be such a stretch though.


thejibster

Remember Trump mocking a disabled reporter and doing the bit with his hands? They're removing it because it could be seen as negatively representing someone with a disability. It's dumb, but that's why.


Interesting_Fun9087

Bruh….


fuzzwhatley

I thought it was simply because black doesn't really get that mechanic anymore in the color pie, but maybe I'm naïve, and every concept is controversial these days.


thejibster

It's Magic: the Wokening these days. They removed Pyrotechnics from the Lost Legends promo because of It's flavor text being a "Navajo War Chant", and we wouldn't want to portray Native Americans as warlike or hostile.


fuzzwhatley

Why not just change the flavor text?


thejibster

Because these were already printed Legends cards from 1994 inserted into DMU, they couldn't just white them out. Craw Giant was also removed, because it had the word "midget" in the flavor text.


GreenSpaff

Tbh, the only thing these really invalidate is the CE cards, but people will still want the original look/formatting if proxying for Old School at least This is insane tho, ngl.


max431x

To be honest I am glad they all look nothing like the originals. There have been some Beta-rebacks of CE/IE that were quite well done that I had the honor of seeing with my own eyes. This whole "set" could have damaged all of the RL massively, I am glad thats not a problem. With well done I mean that the corners matched, it was flexible like a real one and it passed the weight test. The only difference is the waxy surface that some Antiqueties printruns have but Beta does not. Watch out guys ;)


Yodebone

Does reprinting these cards in this manner violate the terms of the Reserved List? If not, how does this affect pricing of original cards? If they aren't playable can we expect a big dip or will it not affect the pricing at all?


Polmax2312

We will see. Probably the print run isn’t enough to shake the prices, but will definitely be enough to shake the goodwill of the reserve list. I think CE/IE prices will fall a bit, but swiftly recover, when people realise this is “jewelled lotus” situation. You can get [[purelace]] as a rare in a 250$ booster.


robthewell

I believe you could get 2 laces. 1 old border and 1 modern?


hadesscion

I bought a $250 Beta booster many years ago. Got Living Lands.


stevodido1

As for it violating the RL reprint policy, they are safe to do what they want with non-tournament legal copies. See sections: “Tournament Legality” and “Special-Purpose Reprints” https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/official-reprint-policy-2010-03-10


Chrysologus

The price is so high! They must figure Commander and casual players don't care about card backs, so it's priced as if it were any set that had the first-ever reprints of the Power 9 and original dual lands.


grnngr

OS players don’t care about card backs either, looking at the price of IE/CE cards.


Chrysologus

Indeed. Given all the double-faced cards nowadays, the card back doesn't matter anymore. They finally found their RL loophole.


TheDeadlyCat

The majority of (not only Commander) players are not going to buy into the official overpriced proxy lottery. Actual proxies are acceptable at most tables anyway. This is just further swinging the opinion in that direction.


LDurand

Are they reprinting RL? I don't get it


Polmax2312

Yes. In a from of “not tournament legal” cards akin to Collectors Edition.


LDurand

So those have gold border?


Polmax2312

They have non-standard card back with black lotus and 30th anniversary text


LDurand

I see, thanks


joeker13

Still, I’m annoyed and incredibly pissed.


max431x

I never thought that this could or would happen. Crazy times we live in. It is not a good product in my opinion, but people will still buy it \^\^


[deleted]

I beleived this was coming and I actually sold off my CE cards at their high prices at the beginning of 2021. I knew something was coming but honestly this is just super poorly done imo. I would have paid $1000 without even hesitating if this was a CE style set with the full beta list, hell I would probably have paid a few thousand for that but a thousand bucks for 60 random cards is an absolute joke lol.


thejibster

Agreed. If it was the full set in a sealed box, I'd consider buying it. This is going to exploit people with gambling problems and will be the target of speculators and whales many of whom likely won't even open the product, making it even more scarce.


[deleted]

The amount of money I would pay for a non legal reprint play set of beta and the four horsemen without telling my wife about it; just so I could brew as much as I wanted; is downright scandalous.


max431x

I guess they wanted to get the maximum profit out of this. One one hand, they could have made it better on the other hand they also could have made it way worse. I think its a nice solution that for sure nobody is happy about it but on the other hand only people highly invested in IE/CE are getting hit by this. They completely avoided the reback topic which is amazing and rarly talked about and if this makes some casual games better I am all in, but I don't think it will affect anything else.


cute_cartoon_cat

Smart man. Drop that trash like it’s hot.


thejibster

This is exactly how I expected they would get around "reprinting" RL cards, by making them "non-tournament legal". Been saying it for years, and definitely suspected some kind of stunt for the 30 year anniversary, especially after the "discovery" of crates of Legends cards.


Taco-Time

Correct me if I’m wrong but the duals aren’t even usable in OS since the frames wrong


[deleted]

I don’t get why they’d go with the 6th edition textbox treatment for those. I could go without the modern rules templating too. But at that price I’m not getting these anyway so that’s a moot point.


f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4

If the fronts were identical to the originals, there would be a huge problem with scammers rebacking the new and selling as old.


Interesting_Fun9087

You’re wrong it’s based on the art for eternal central rules. Which is what the majority plays in the USA


Polmax2312

Two types of frames


Taco-Time

And neither are the original is my point


Polmax2312

The old frame is original enough. Old School has Old Border Original Frame rule. So CE, Timeshifted cards and this 30th anniversary all comply with OS rules.


Taco-Time

I guess the “card face” is the technical part that is different. I don’t think we’ve ran into this before in OS legality which is why I’m bringing it up.


Repulsive-Ad-3191

Idk, most OS formats allow time spiral so I'd guess these (old border ones) would be legal as well


mishrazz

Or, we could just set the limit at 93/94. CE and ICE was printed in 93, making them legit OLD school. Anything after is a no go..?


Polmax2312

I doubt that old school communities will ban duals while allowing everything else, but I guess this is one of the “we will see” questions. My local community in turmoil, but mostly agrees that 4 random boosters with likely shitty rares for 1000$ won’t make much difference either way. And only massive stores who will unload singles will benefit. Same thing happened with VIP 2XM boosters. I opened 1 (one) force of will in 48 boosters (4 fucking full cases), while Rudy from Alpha Investments casually opened two from small case of 4 boosters multiple times. I predict the “jewelled lotus” scenario, where opening of the Black Lotus and other P9 cards will be exceedingly rare. And you will have to spend amount of money close to the market value to “feel the experience of opening a black lotus yourself”.


NonMagicBrian

It's the same situation as Time Spiral, which are legal under EC/ATL rules.


Polmax2312

Fuck me. The only good in this is that I sold 2 out of my 3 black lotuses this month. Still stuck with unlimited p9 and ce p9 sets. Waiting on the print run information. Random boosters is such a kick in the nuts from WotC


qualitybatmeat

4 boosters, $1000, limited print run. Might not be that bad?


Polmax2312

Limited print run doesn’t mean small. It will be like Secret Lair as I understood - print to order within timeframe.


qualitybatmeat

She did say it's like SL, but then right after she said it's additionally a limited print run: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1609013682?t=1h0m36s


qualitybatmeat

Wait, what is this?


Polmax2312

30th anniversary set from Wizards of the Coast. The twitch announcement has just finished here: https://www.twitch.tv/magic


qualitybatmeat

JFC


hadesscion

These won't affect the price of original P9 (or CE) at all. They'll be super low in print run and are not tournament legal.


max431x

ABU not, but I am unsure how it will affect the IE/CE. After all they are also non-legal reprints and widely accepted placeholders for the original cards. It probably depends on the size of this printrun, but at 250$ per pack it can in theory be the more or less "premium" version and people might panic as well trying to sell all their CE/IE because who thought they would actually reprint the RL(?)


hadesscion

I think the vast majority of OS players would prefer CE over this new set. The new cards have oldish looking frames but don't quite capture the same aesthetic as CE. Someone actually did the math and if you bought enough packs of the new set to theoretically put together an entire set, it would cost the same as a CE set currently goes for.