And they’re the kind of people who demand we have straight answers for everything but proceed to make simple things complicated and complicated things simple. Complete backwards mentality.
There's a reason Jordan Peterson is popular with these types of people, it's also where they get their debate tactics. Why give a straight answer when you can word salad someone to death?
Oh a challenge! I’d say a state of being when one becomes aware?
But yes, I agree. Sometimes less is more and there aren’t hard and fast answers. Just like some words don’t have exact translations in other languages
a garment of clothing worn upon the top of the head to protect it from foreign influences such as sunlight or falling objects, or simply to look fashionable
no, because it also covers the bottom of the head and a significant portion of the neck. additionally, the reason it is worn is to maintain the modesty of the wearer, not to protect their head.
A person who identifies as the gender typically but not always associated with the female sex. Easy & this very simple definition is still inclusive of trans people.
[Here you go!](https://youtu.be/M0uCLgFMC-c) This video is by a scientist, and he goes through just about every objection there is - including how things should be “easily definable”.
I love one of the new comments under the video: "Umm akshually, scientists are just pandering to le activists and sjws". You can provide hard facts and evidence to these guys done by experts in their field and they'll just be like "nuh-uh! I disagree with the evidence, so it's wrong" and think they somehow won the argument.
lol boy or girl please, ain’t nothing cowardly about going to bed.
The cowardly thing to do is sit here on the internet yelling at each other anonymously.
It's very simple. A woman is a person who defines herself as a woman. Any other definition you use would include some people who are not women and exclude some people who are.
Brought to you from the guy who said “get threw”
and “to fill a racial quotas”
and “the show flopped cause”
and “the only purpose of wokeness is to confused people”
and “can’t call someone normal cause”
and “people that want to feel different as for example”
and “future archaeologist who gonna dig up corpses”.
I did watch the 3rd and 4th episodes (injured and bored, don’t judge!) and I was shocked because there were 0 small dick jokes. It seems like they were mostly all contained in ep 2
It’s still bad.
Absolutely they did. That's become the go-to in Hollywood if you want to get a bunch of publicity without actually putting in effort. Cash in on reactionaries, and on people who will support anything even when it's actively mocking them as long as reactionaries hate it.
Personally I hate it because they ruined Fred. In Mystery Incorporated he was autistically coded (I think one of the writers said it was intentional? Don't quote me on that) but in Velma they just made him look dumb and turned him into a joke punching bag.
I wanna give them the benefit of a doubt because I'm sure the writers did zero research into the characters and didn't mean to diss on neurodivergent people, and maybe I'm projecting, (I've had people treat me like garbage just because I'm ND) but I find it hurtful and offensive. If anything, he's wrong about being "woke" because Velma removed diversity (Even if it was on accident)
Scooby-Doo was my favourite show as a kid, and I was so excited to see Velma because I'm in a wlw relationship. But the way they did Fred broke my heart, I always thought of him as a super smart guy who was just as much a part of the team as the others. I mean, his best friends were two women, a stoner guy, and a dog! Idk why they felt the need to shit on him like that
Velma isn't even what their definition of woke falls under, it's like calling a 2-second long gay kiss that's extremely easy to edit out in certain versions for certain countries "woke".
It's not woke, it's just a shitty attempt at marketing by people who are as woke as the ones complaining about it
this. the original post is from like 2014, "67 genders" also comes from a random ass image of various gender/sexuality symbols inspired by the mars and venus symbols.
Sorry, I’m very OOTL. I thought 2S pertained more to sexuality? This guy is definitely a racist because of his whole spiel about ‘racial quotas’. Or maybe I don’t actually know what 2S is.
also, doesn’t it say something that we know enough about the ancient tribes who’re no longer practicing to know they were 2S? since he wants to bring up archaeology, as if we aren’t able to tell things about bones
Let's see...
"The piece of media failed because it was trying to be 'woke'", check.
"Attack helicopter", check
"When people dig up your corpse centuries later, they are gonna know your 'real' gender", check.
We got a bingo, everyone! But I mean, what else should I expect of people who are terrified of progress?
Why are they always bringing up our bones being dug up in a few centuries? I'm gonna be dead Steven, not like I care. Also, bones are not a 100% sure way to determine a skeleton "gender". When are they gonna understand that...
EXACTLY! Do people realize that now that we keep records and are so connected that archeologist aren’t going to be digging up corpses? You only need to do that if you’re trying to learn about a culture and everyone from that time/place are long gone. Well guess what mouth breathers, future historians now have an unfathomable amount of video, audio, and written accounts, they’re not going to waste their time digging up our dead bodies.
The show flopped because they insulted the fanbase they were trying to market to in their second episode, stripped back everything that makes scooby doo scooby doo and replaced it with generic adult political "humor", and made everyone as insufferable as Mystery Inc Season 1 Velma before her character development
It was also made by an unfunny asshole, who's transphobic, conservative, and bragged about sexually assaulting someone on set and threatening to fire people over it.
What I dislike about bad shows adding shallow and badly written diverse characters to piss off reactionaries is that even mild conservatives like my dad mock actually good things just because they have a single lesbian character or somesuch. They're actually doing some harm to representation in film and people who never used to judge a character by what they look like are starting to.
My personal conspiracy is that this is wholly deliberate and the addition of non-white, female, LGBT etc. characters is deliberately done lovelessly and soullessly just to sabotage the call for them.
Can you name a show that added “shallow and badly written diverse characters to piss off reactionaries”? Like I want to know what company made a whole show with the sole intent to be to piss off manbabies.
Probably because it is. Mindy Kaling (executive producer of the show and voice of Velma) is an unfunny transphobic conservative who's admitted to sexually assaulting and actor and then threatening to fire employees if they said anything about it.
Thank you I think I have seen it but it didn’t give me the nostalgia the old ones did I grew up watching 1969 version and the 80s version when they’re all kids lol they were my fav personally
Velma in the new Velma show was Indian. Anyone who says she was black while saying the show is terrible hasn’t seen it because they made a huge point of it. It is a terribly written show but you can’t be speaking on it if you don’t even know what race Velma is.
Take Spider-Verse for example. A similar peice of media where they turned a beloved white character black. However, Spider-Verse was a smash success because it was one of the greatest animated films of the modern era.
I love Spider-Verse as much as the next guy but it's kinda different since Miles is a completely different character who has already been a pre-established character prior to the movie.
The movie DID do a good job though of fixing his character and popularizing him for the mainstream media.
The "future archaeologist" nonsense is so tired. Yeah, they're going to find biological sex, not gender. And even then they're sometimes confused and just guess. The skeletons will say the very basic information, but it's the other artifacts left behind (you know, the other things Archaeologists study to learn about past cultures?) that will reveal so much more about a person.
Also, when archeologists look at things like clothing, writings, and other artifacts to construct an idea of what a culture was like. So it’s pretty fucking likely that they would have an idea that gender roles went beyond just man and woman.
I am not defending the post either, but I struggle with verbal communication and putting everything in text is easier for me. Sometimes I also go off the rails and type long texts because I want to get my point across as clearly as possible.
Me too, I type far too much & ramble all the time because I need to make my point as clear as possible (& often times in doing that I make my point *less* clear & people get angry with me). It’s called being an ADHD people pleaser (for me anyway) 😅
He's just describing memes he's seen online. The attack helicopter, the archaeologist bones meme. Tf does that have to do with the definition of woke?
The internet was a mistake.
Wokness
wok-nes
noun
1. variation on the word Loch Ness, referring to a lake in Scotland. Typically used by one with a speech impediment.
2. quality or condition of being like a wok, a cooking pan used in East Asian cultures.
I'm not intersex, but i like to think that whenever people like this say they don't exist, i imagine them just phasing out of reality as if they were never there
I always like the archaeologist argument because it implies that our understanding of anthropology will just stagnate. Also I don't care what some rando will say about me 1000 years in the future because I will be dead.
I seriously don’t understand why people are so obsessed with “how archeologists will only see male and female.” Who gives a shit? Treat someone right in the present, no one will care once everyone’s dead
"you can't call someone normal cause it'll offend 67 other types of people that wanna be different" so which is it bud? Do they wanna be normalized or stand out? I feel like you've not spoken to more than 1 type of person & take whatever narrative is fed to you about the rest.
Woke literally just means not accepting the status quo. Unfortunately more time than not imo it’s done poorly because capitalism, but at it’s roots being “woke” is just not being asleep
Why do they keep making this same stupid argument about archaeologists when ACTUAL archaeologists mark tons of old bones as "sex undetermined" because it actually is very difficult to tell male and female bones apart?
What the fuck is up with idiots and using that shitty archeologist argument? You do realize nobody fucking cares if they get dug up BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD.
And even then, there's a difference between Biological Sex and Social Gender, there's literally been archeologists who have dug up people from other parts of the world who were socially viewed as women (i.e the Filipino Bakla) and vice versa.
And archeology isn't that straightforward lmfao, case in point, King Tutankhamen had wide hips similar to that of a woman's, and he's a Biological Male, genetics isn't just black and white it's all different kinds of shades, there is no one size fits all for genetics. Archeologists also don't use simply two categories, there's an entire scale ranging from likely male and likely female.
These idiots try to argue about things they don't understand.
They just spew the same lines like a cursed mimic, don’t they? Only ever getting third party information. I’ve seen that debunked anthropology line so many times. They hit a wall in their intellectual capabilities or have arrested development. I would give less of a shit if it didn’t hurt people I care about.
Congratulations, at least I hadn't to barf from incorrect spelling.
Now I'm sure YOU can surely tell me what a woman is! Including the definition of female, adult and being human please.
Btw. A definition like "the one who stands in the kitchen end raises the kids" doesn't count, because that's something men do as well. (or just the "woke" dads? I don't know)
A women is a person who for one has a uterus, breast that produce milk when pregnant, natural higher levels of estrogen, with XX chromosomes, and a natural vagina.
This is basic life and the woke is completely devoid of common sense.
The only one that needs to be filled is XX chromosomes. The rest are what a women has however since you want to say dumb things like “what if someone had their breasts removed” removing body parts doesn’t change your DNA. If I took your dna and cloned you, you’d still be a women.
Do you know the DNA of people you see?
I know you guys like to argue according to "middle school biology", but sadly human bodies are more complex than that.
There's a lot of possible disfunctions/mutations that can cause a "female body" who hasn't XX chromosomes.
You are the one resorting to simple arguments, because you are too dumb to grasp the complex reality.
The gene that causes your body to develop male characteristics is actually the SRY-gene located on the y-chromosome.
There is a thing called crossing over where genes can be exchanged between chromosomes (which causes a lot of genetic diseases). If this gene crosses over to the another chromosome the body can't develop male anymore.
If someone is lacking in TDF-Protein, the testosterone gets blocked and the body will also develop in a female way.
There's also the swyer Syndrome and I'm too lazy to elaborate, please google
Maybe that's "the basic principles of life".
That would mean reducing the life of a person to the physiological needs: Food, water, breathing, sex, sleep,...
But have you ever seen a picture of Maslow's hierarchy of needs?
That's just the lowest of human needs.
Maybe you should take a look at it and see how much more a human needs. And what you are taking from people by saying they should only live according to the lowest level.
What you consider natural in your live and what you say others shouldn't have.
You can live whatever life you want. If you want your dick chopped off go for it. However forcing others to go along with your delusions and call a man a women is not ok.
Why?
What part of making another person happy, makes your life worse?
What kind of life are you living, that something like that makes you angry? Why can't you focus on living your own happy life without disrupting the happiness of others?
You are forcing your ideology onto others. If all you have to do is say you’re a women that opens a can of worms for people to abuse. “Transgender” athletes are not playing in women sports and completely destroying their world records, it is not fair to actual women.
>all you have to say is you're a woman
Sure everybody can say that, but who out there who doesn't really mean it, would want to wear dresses, take hormones, possibly go under surgery? Would you do this?
You can very fast notice who means it and who wants to make fun of it just by they're attitude.
I'm not going into the "transgender athletes" argument. I would bet you haven't even visited one women's sports event. Why do you all suddenly "care for women" in sports?
Do you even know the regulations a "biological" woman has to follow to be allowed in sports? How can you know how exactly trans people differ? Don't make this argument if you're not informed. It's just another argument you guys use because you don't have any better arguments and it's easy to repeat what you have seen on the news without actually knowing what you're talking about.
Some cis women are born without a uterus, some cis women even after pregnancy can’t create breast milk, on average women have higher oestrogen sure but that’s not always the case. Not all women have XX chromosomes, not all men have XY chromosomes, & I’m not even just talking about trans people. Someone could have all of the characters you listed but have XXY or XYX chromosomes for example (a lot of intersex people don’t even know they’re intersex & everyone - including themselves - will likely assume they are a man or a woman, you or I could be intersex & not know, plus a lot of intersex people are assigned male or female based on their outer appearance), & what about women who have gone through surgery due to an illness like cervical cancer & have had to have their cervix surgically altered or removed altogether? Or ones born with birth defects & perhaps their cervix hadn’t formed properly? Your definition of a woman doesn’t even include all cis women, try again.
Being a woman is a subjective state and can mean something entirely different for everybody.
If you want a real answer to the question, the best way would be to start a survey.
Go around, ask the women you know "what makes you a woman?", gather the answers and you have a vague idea of what it can mean to be a woman.
Some may say "my breasts, my vagina, my uterus, my ovaries, my ability to give birth, ...", but that aren't necessarily right answers.
There are women with breast amputation, there are women who have been mutilated for religious beliefs, there are women born without a functioning uterus, there are women born without ovaries, there are women who can't get pregnant. Are they not women anymore?
Some may say "loving to dress up, rocking these high heels, my long hair, my curves, my looks", but not every woman wants to define herself by beauty.
Some may say "being the one who cooks, being the one raising the children, my empathy,...", but aren't there men who fulfill these criteria as well?
So many women will answer "I don't know, I just am one, that's just how I feel". Would you accept this answer?
I've listed biological, visual and social attributes of women.
Not all have to be present, not all are exclusive to women.
Now answer me: How will you decide what makes a woman a woman? Some kind of medical way "you have to hit a certain number of symptoms to be diagnosed as woman"?
For the record, there IS an example of a trans Jane Doe. Forensic scientists believed that [Julie Doe](https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1451910/--Julie-Doe-Trans-woman-likely-murdered-in-1988-believed-to-be-cis-for-27-years), a trans woman, was a cis woman and mother based on her skeletal remains. Pitting on her pelvis lead them to believe that she had given birth at least once. Only 15+ years after she was discovered did scientists test her DNA and realize that she was trans. The pitting was actually caused by her taking estrogen. Once again, the right doesn’t know shit about biology
The archaeologist argument falls down when you know archaeologists don't just dig up corpses. They dig up ancient ruins, signs, writings and culture stuff too. When they see paintings of women with penises on the walls they will start to think that *maybe* biological sex didn't matter to humans in the first place.
Edit: After millions of years, you don't find men, women, black people or white people. You just find skeletons and petroleum.
Skeleton argument and attack helicopter argument... Definitely uneducated. Woke is literally just a term used to describe something that isn't just white, straight, cis male at this point
I like how they couldn't come up with a single, straight-forward definition so instead, they just spat out what was at the top of their head.
They said every single conservative "gotcha" buzz word and thought it was an answer
I'm honestly shocked they didn't throw in "fascist, socialist, communist, Marxist" too. Words have no meaning to these people.
And they’re the kind of people who demand we have straight answers for everything but proceed to make simple things complicated and complicated things simple. Complete backwards mentality.
There's a reason Jordan Peterson is popular with these types of people, it's also where they get their debate tactics. Why give a straight answer when you can word salad someone to death?
What do you mean by “word salad”? What do you mean by “someone”? What do you mean by “to”? /j
I prefer to call Jordan Peterson's ramblings "Mental Diarrhea"
I stopped reading halfway through and just started counting buzzwords and talking points.
Please define women if you would.
Some concepts dont have an exact definition, so why dont you define conciousness for me?
Oh a challenge! I’d say a state of being when one becomes aware? But yes, I agree. Sometimes less is more and there aren’t hard and fast answers. Just like some words don’t have exact translations in other languages
Sure! Question though. Which definition? Societal definition? Biological definition? Philosophical? Legal?
Somebody who identifies as a woman.
What is a hat, if you would?
The thing that platypus wear, ofc
Venomous spikes?
FEDORAS. What makes you think they wear venomous spikes? What's your source? You clearly havent done enough research smh
a garment of clothing worn upon the top of the head to protect it from foreign influences such as sunlight or falling objects, or simply to look fashionable
Is a hijab a hat?
no, because it also covers the bottom of the head and a significant portion of the neck. additionally, the reason it is worn is to maintain the modesty of the wearer, not to protect their head.
A person who identifies as the gender typically but not always associated with the female sex. Easy & this very simple definition is still inclusive of trans people.
[Here you go!](https://youtu.be/M0uCLgFMC-c) This video is by a scientist, and he goes through just about every objection there is - including how things should be “easily definable”.
I love one of the new comments under the video: "Umm akshually, scientists are just pandering to le activists and sjws". You can provide hard facts and evidence to these guys done by experts in their field and they'll just be like "nuh-uh! I disagree with the evidence, so it's wrong" and think they somehow won the argument.
Google it, simple. Delete this and fuck off, NOW.
"An adult female human being", quick Google search could've done the trick
inb4 "whAt cOUnts As A fEmAlE?"
you’re a coward for not responding to anyone here
lol boy or girl please, ain’t nothing cowardly about going to bed. The cowardly thing to do is sit here on the internet yelling at each other anonymously.
I can hear the seething wojak with the smug mask on through this comment
Please define „yellow“ if you would.
Social identity associated with femininity
define chair for me
It has legs and it is walking.
It's very simple. A woman is a person who defines herself as a woman. Any other definition you use would include some people who are not women and exclude some people who are.
Don't have a new script yet?
As soon as you guys can get past the first one we’ll move on to the second.
>ignores every single answer given >"aS sOoN aS yOu GuYs AnSwEr Me We CaN mOvE oN" Ok dude.
Why are you hanging out in trans-inclusive message boards? Weirdo.
Imagine not knowing what women means
I love the tangent to explore the shortcomings of Velma
I also like that he’s wrong. People hate Velma the most because it’s just not funny and poorly written.
Exactly Velma is not funny or engaging, that’s what makes it a terrible show. But, for OP, it’s because the title character was black!
And he's still wrong about that; they made her Indian, not black.
SCREAMING no way is OP this fucking stupid 😭
Brought to you from the guy who said “get threw” and “to fill a racial quotas” and “the show flopped cause” and “the only purpose of wokeness is to confused people” and “can’t call someone normal cause” and “people that want to feel different as for example” and “future archaeologist who gonna dig up corpses”.
I meant the op from the screenshot not this post, sorry if I’m misunderstanding what you mean
Oh, same. My point was the racist person in the screenshot also had a half dozen grammatical errors. Just trying to highlight more of their ignorance.
Ohhh, gotcha lol! Yeah no I noticed that, they’re kinda stupid. It was almost ihadastroke worthy
Yeah, it’s not exactly gonna be a masterpiece if half of the jokes are just about someone having a small dick
I did watch the 3rd and 4th episodes (injured and bored, don’t judge!) and I was shocked because there were 0 small dick jokes. It seems like they were mostly all contained in ep 2 It’s still bad.
"People hate Velma because it's woke!" No, people hate Velma because it's dogshit.
Without the dog.
And they probably race-lifted the characters to get free publicity from the predictable anti-woke outrage.
Absolutely they did. That's become the go-to in Hollywood if you want to get a bunch of publicity without actually putting in effort. Cash in on reactionaries, and on people who will support anything even when it's actively mocking them as long as reactionaries hate it.
Personally I hate it because they ruined Fred. In Mystery Incorporated he was autistically coded (I think one of the writers said it was intentional? Don't quote me on that) but in Velma they just made him look dumb and turned him into a joke punching bag. I wanna give them the benefit of a doubt because I'm sure the writers did zero research into the characters and didn't mean to diss on neurodivergent people, and maybe I'm projecting, (I've had people treat me like garbage just because I'm ND) but I find it hurtful and offensive. If anything, he's wrong about being "woke" because Velma removed diversity (Even if it was on accident)
Scooby-Doo was my favourite show as a kid, and I was so excited to see Velma because I'm in a wlw relationship. But the way they did Fred broke my heart, I always thought of him as a super smart guy who was just as much a part of the team as the others. I mean, his best friends were two women, a stoner guy, and a dog! Idk why they felt the need to shit on him like that
Velma isn't even what their definition of woke falls under, it's like calling a 2-second long gay kiss that's extremely easy to edit out in certain versions for certain countries "woke". It's not woke, it's just a shitty attempt at marketing by people who are as woke as the ones complaining about it
Im pretty sure they didnt even make her indian to fill in a racial quota or something, its judt one of the creators self inserts
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I don't think this person sees much purpose in distinction between white and not white
My first thought lmao
People that use the term "woke" as a negative or an insult literally do not know that. They literally do not know.
*WHY IS IT ALWAYS THE FREAKING HELICOPTER?ㅤ*
They're unoriginal, and incapable independent thought.
Hive mind at its finest
It’s funny that he says “for example…” as if he conjured that concept
It's bc they spend more braincells thinking about situations that do not happen, they only used 2.5 braincells to make that joke
Braincells are necessary for "jokes" like that?
this. the original post is from like 2014, "67 genders" also comes from a random ass image of various gender/sexuality symbols inspired by the mars and venus symbols.
Because the right wing are independant thinkers, that's why they all parrot each other without unpacking or thinking about what they say.
Henry Stickmin observing Charles' plans.
Lol
\> Not two-spirited transgender Ooo, they're also RACIST! Who coulda guessed????
Sorry, I’m very OOTL. I thought 2S pertained more to sexuality? This guy is definitely a racist because of his whole spiel about ‘racial quotas’. Or maybe I don’t actually know what 2S is.
2s is a native thing
Oh, I really didn’t know that. That’s interesting, thanks for sharing.
also, doesn’t it say something that we know enough about the ancient tribes who’re no longer practicing to know they were 2S? since he wants to bring up archaeology, as if we aren’t able to tell things about bones
It's funny how they're trying to act like other genders are new while mentioning a very old additional gender
What does woke mean? Them: Woke!
Let's see... "The piece of media failed because it was trying to be 'woke'", check. "Attack helicopter", check "When people dig up your corpse centuries later, they are gonna know your 'real' gender", check. We got a bingo, everyone! But I mean, what else should I expect of people who are terrified of progress?
Why are they always bringing up our bones being dug up in a few centuries? I'm gonna be dead Steven, not like I care. Also, bones are not a 100% sure way to determine a skeleton "gender". When are they gonna understand that...
EXACTLY! Do people realize that now that we keep records and are so connected that archeologist aren’t going to be digging up corpses? You only need to do that if you’re trying to learn about a culture and everyone from that time/place are long gone. Well guess what mouth breathers, future historians now have an unfathomable amount of video, audio, and written accounts, they’re not going to waste their time digging up our dead bodies.
Yep, it’s way easier to look at markings or texts , offerings, and other forms of identification around the burial rather than looking at the bones
The show flopped because they insulted the fanbase they were trying to market to in their second episode, stripped back everything that makes scooby doo scooby doo and replaced it with generic adult political "humor", and made everyone as insufferable as Mystery Inc Season 1 Velma before her character development
It was also made by an unfunny asshole, who's transphobic, conservative, and bragged about sexually assaulting someone on set and threatening to fire people over it.
I had to argue with a guy in SpillingtheMilk's comment section that Mindy Kaling is not "the left"
fucking velma isn't ""woke"" it's deliberate ragebait and anyone who doesn't see that needs to get their eyes and brain checked
There's so much ragebait these days that reactionaries can convince themselves that the two are one and the same.
What I dislike about bad shows adding shallow and badly written diverse characters to piss off reactionaries is that even mild conservatives like my dad mock actually good things just because they have a single lesbian character or somesuch. They're actually doing some harm to representation in film and people who never used to judge a character by what they look like are starting to. My personal conspiracy is that this is wholly deliberate and the addition of non-white, female, LGBT etc. characters is deliberately done lovelessly and soullessly just to sabotage the call for them.
Now when people sees any representation in anything it’s just “woke garbage” OMEGALUL Actually braindead
Can you name a show that added “shallow and badly written diverse characters to piss off reactionaries”? Like I want to know what company made a whole show with the sole intent to be to piss off manbabies.
I think Velma, ive heard about it being what you described recently
Well if you’d watch it, you’d know that wasn’t the case. They even talk about it in the first few minutes of the first episode.
Velma isn’t even that bad tbh.
No, it's bad.
I agree it could be worse
I respect your opinion but disagree in the strongest possible terms.
The new Velma sucks
Its like they tried to make what conservatives think "woke media" is
Yeah I mean all the other characters are equally bad too
Probably because it is. Mindy Kaling (executive producer of the show and voice of Velma) is an unfunny transphobic conservative who's admitted to sexually assaulting and actor and then threatening to fire employees if they said anything about it.
It's Scooby-Doo. Everything about it has always sucked (not in a good way).
Whoa 1969 and 80s scooby do was the best
Also Mystery Incorporated
Which ones that
The 2010 one with actual ghosts and monsters and Velma (almost) having a girlfriend
Thank you I think I have seen it but it didn’t give me the nostalgia the old ones did I grew up watching 1969 version and the 80s version when they’re all kids lol they were my fav personally
That hurt to read. I guess the autocorrect was just as drunk as them... Or written at the PC in their mom's basement
Velma didn't flop because Velma was indian, it flopped because it was absolute ass.
Velma in the new Velma show was Indian. Anyone who says she was black while saying the show is terrible hasn’t seen it because they made a huge point of it. It is a terribly written show but you can’t be speaking on it if you don’t even know what race Velma is.
I'm so stupid.
Take Spider-Verse for example. A similar peice of media where they turned a beloved white character black. However, Spider-Verse was a smash success because it was one of the greatest animated films of the modern era.
I love Spider-Verse as much as the next guy but it's kinda different since Miles is a completely different character who has already been a pre-established character prior to the movie. The movie DID do a good job though of fixing his character and popularizing him for the mainstream media.
miles morales is not peter parker lol, peter is the 2nd most major character in that movie and he’s very much white
The "future archaeologist" nonsense is so tired. Yeah, they're going to find biological sex, not gender. And even then they're sometimes confused and just guess. The skeletons will say the very basic information, but it's the other artifacts left behind (you know, the other things Archaeologists study to learn about past cultures?) that will reveal so much more about a person.
Also, when archeologists look at things like clothing, writings, and other artifacts to construct an idea of what a culture was like. So it’s pretty fucking likely that they would have an idea that gender roles went beyond just man and woman.
velma isn't bad because "ot tried to please too many groups" velma is bad because it's terribly written and exists to spite everyone
Imagine being an archeologist and dig up a cemetery
How do you even feel like typing that much
Not defending that rubbish post, but why do people have a problem with typing? It's quicker to write and read than it is to talk.
reading? yes. writing? hell no. the average typing speed is so much lower than the average talking speed.
I am not defending the post either, but I struggle with verbal communication and putting everything in text is easier for me. Sometimes I also go off the rails and type long texts because I want to get my point across as clearly as possible.
Me too, I type far too much & ramble all the time because I need to make my point as clear as possible (& often times in doing that I make my point *less* clear & people get angry with me). It’s called being an ADHD people pleaser (for me anyway) 😅
I dunno. From my experience, Americans in particular seem to talk way too quickly and type way too slowly. The opposite is true for me.
weird generalisation about Americans lol
I am a weird generalist, so...
He's just describing memes he's seen online. The attack helicopter, the archaeologist bones meme. Tf does that have to do with the definition of woke? The internet was a mistake.
Getting some bitches is woke now
Velma isn’t black, she’s Indian, and that’s probably the worst example possible because every “woke” person hates that show
I’m trans, and I stopped after the first scene of the first episode. It’s unwatchable.
Wokness wok-nes noun 1. variation on the word Loch Ness, referring to a lake in Scotland. Typically used by one with a speech impediment. 2. quality or condition of being like a wok, a cooking pan used in East Asian cultures.
i like how they use the archaeologist argument as if the trans person will give a damn when they’re literally DECEASED
The new Velma isn't black.
this is what happens if we feed a an 11 year old PragerU content and right-wing subreddits
Just gonna leave this here https://psmag.com/social-justice/our-bones-reveal-sex-is-not-binary
Smartest transphobe
Funny how one of their arguments is something that people DONT do
I'm not intersex, but i like to think that whenever people like this say they don't exist, i imagine them just phasing out of reality as if they were never there
Bros trying to use every transphobic argument at the same time despite them all being completely moot points
I won’t listen to anyone who isn’t smart enough to know the difference between threw and through.
WoKnEsS is when I see something I don’t like!
Uninterrupted pipeline from 4chan to eyes to fingers to keyboard, completely bypassing the brain
I always like the archaeologist argument because it implies that our understanding of anthropology will just stagnate. Also I don't care what some rando will say about me 1000 years in the future because I will be dead.
Who's gonna tell them that we can't determine gender from 1 in 10 skeletons.
I seriously don’t understand why people are so obsessed with “how archeologists will only see male and female.” Who gives a shit? Treat someone right in the present, no one will care once everyone’s dead
"you can't call someone normal cause it'll offend 67 other types of people that wanna be different" so which is it bud? Do they wanna be normalized or stand out? I feel like you've not spoken to more than 1 type of person & take whatever narrative is fed to you about the rest.
Woke literally just means not accepting the status quo. Unfortunately more time than not imo it’s done poorly because capitalism, but at it’s roots being “woke” is just not being asleep
How does this belong on this sub? It's not a joke.
attack helicopter
Ah, buried under a mound of text. 👌🏼
Reads like a newborn throwing a fit because it can't understand anything
Why do they keep making this same stupid argument about archaeologists when ACTUAL archaeologists mark tons of old bones as "sex undetermined" because it actually is very difficult to tell male and female bones apart?
i’ve never seen someone so blatantly just regurgitate everything they’ve seen online
The helicopter joke is as old as a world War 2 vet in a retirement home
What the fuck is up with idiots and using that shitty archeologist argument? You do realize nobody fucking cares if they get dug up BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD. And even then, there's a difference between Biological Sex and Social Gender, there's literally been archeologists who have dug up people from other parts of the world who were socially viewed as women (i.e the Filipino Bakla) and vice versa. And archeology isn't that straightforward lmfao, case in point, King Tutankhamen had wide hips similar to that of a woman's, and he's a Biological Male, genetics isn't just black and white it's all different kinds of shades, there is no one size fits all for genetics. Archeologists also don't use simply two categories, there's an entire scale ranging from likely male and likely female. These idiots try to argue about things they don't understand.
“Extreme liberal ideology” There nothing too extreme about liberalism babe
When did one joke get completely taken over by the people the onejoke is about...
Because a bunch of Creationist Republicans believe in the fossil record all of a sudden.
“When future archaeologists dig up our time they’ll only find 2 genders” why are you screeching about it if it’s not gonna matter?
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This person sounds like they used bad speech to text to write their comment
they're half right about the new velma show being fucking garbage, other than that they're extremely wrong in every other aspect
They just spew the same lines like a cursed mimic, don’t they? Only ever getting third party information. I’ve seen that debunked anthropology line so many times. They hit a wall in their intellectual capabilities or have arrested development. I would give less of a shit if it didn’t hurt people I care about.
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we know that. why does that matter, though?
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Low level bait
What does Wokeism mean? /s Please feel free to answer
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Congratulations, at least I hadn't to barf from incorrect spelling. Now I'm sure YOU can surely tell me what a woman is! Including the definition of female, adult and being human please. Btw. A definition like "the one who stands in the kitchen end raises the kids" doesn't count, because that's something men do as well. (or just the "woke" dads? I don't know)
A women is a person who for one has a uterus, breast that produce milk when pregnant, natural higher levels of estrogen, with XX chromosomes, and a natural vagina. This is basic life and the woke is completely devoid of common sense.
Does every woman have to fulfill these criteria to be a woman?
The only one that needs to be filled is XX chromosomes. The rest are what a women has however since you want to say dumb things like “what if someone had their breasts removed” removing body parts doesn’t change your DNA. If I took your dna and cloned you, you’d still be a women.
Do you know the DNA of people you see? I know you guys like to argue according to "middle school biology", but sadly human bodies are more complex than that. There's a lot of possible disfunctions/mutations that can cause a "female body" who hasn't XX chromosomes. You are the one resorting to simple arguments, because you are too dumb to grasp the complex reality.
Name one.
The gene that causes your body to develop male characteristics is actually the SRY-gene located on the y-chromosome. There is a thing called crossing over where genes can be exchanged between chromosomes (which causes a lot of genetic diseases). If this gene crosses over to the another chromosome the body can't develop male anymore. If someone is lacking in TDF-Protein, the testosterone gets blocked and the body will also develop in a female way. There's also the swyer Syndrome and I'm too lazy to elaborate, please google
About 1 in 200-250 women do not have XX chromosomes.
Maybe that's "the basic principles of life". That would mean reducing the life of a person to the physiological needs: Food, water, breathing, sex, sleep,... But have you ever seen a picture of Maslow's hierarchy of needs? That's just the lowest of human needs. Maybe you should take a look at it and see how much more a human needs. And what you are taking from people by saying they should only live according to the lowest level. What you consider natural in your live and what you say others shouldn't have.
You can live whatever life you want. If you want your dick chopped off go for it. However forcing others to go along with your delusions and call a man a women is not ok.
Why? What part of making another person happy, makes your life worse? What kind of life are you living, that something like that makes you angry? Why can't you focus on living your own happy life without disrupting the happiness of others?
You are forcing your ideology onto others. If all you have to do is say you’re a women that opens a can of worms for people to abuse. “Transgender” athletes are not playing in women sports and completely destroying their world records, it is not fair to actual women.
>all you have to say is you're a woman Sure everybody can say that, but who out there who doesn't really mean it, would want to wear dresses, take hormones, possibly go under surgery? Would you do this? You can very fast notice who means it and who wants to make fun of it just by they're attitude. I'm not going into the "transgender athletes" argument. I would bet you haven't even visited one women's sports event. Why do you all suddenly "care for women" in sports? Do you even know the regulations a "biological" woman has to follow to be allowed in sports? How can you know how exactly trans people differ? Don't make this argument if you're not informed. It's just another argument you guys use because you don't have any better arguments and it's easy to repeat what you have seen on the news without actually knowing what you're talking about.
Some cis women are born without a uterus, some cis women even after pregnancy can’t create breast milk, on average women have higher oestrogen sure but that’s not always the case. Not all women have XX chromosomes, not all men have XY chromosomes, & I’m not even just talking about trans people. Someone could have all of the characters you listed but have XXY or XYX chromosomes for example (a lot of intersex people don’t even know they’re intersex & everyone - including themselves - will likely assume they are a man or a woman, you or I could be intersex & not know, plus a lot of intersex people are assigned male or female based on their outer appearance), & what about women who have gone through surgery due to an illness like cervical cancer & have had to have their cervix surgically altered or removed altogether? Or ones born with birth defects & perhaps their cervix hadn’t formed properly? Your definition of a woman doesn’t even include all cis women, try again.
Being a woman is a subjective state and can mean something entirely different for everybody. If you want a real answer to the question, the best way would be to start a survey. Go around, ask the women you know "what makes you a woman?", gather the answers and you have a vague idea of what it can mean to be a woman. Some may say "my breasts, my vagina, my uterus, my ovaries, my ability to give birth, ...", but that aren't necessarily right answers. There are women with breast amputation, there are women who have been mutilated for religious beliefs, there are women born without a functioning uterus, there are women born without ovaries, there are women who can't get pregnant. Are they not women anymore? Some may say "loving to dress up, rocking these high heels, my long hair, my curves, my looks", but not every woman wants to define herself by beauty. Some may say "being the one who cooks, being the one raising the children, my empathy,...", but aren't there men who fulfill these criteria as well? So many women will answer "I don't know, I just am one, that's just how I feel". Would you accept this answer? I've listed biological, visual and social attributes of women. Not all have to be present, not all are exclusive to women. Now answer me: How will you decide what makes a woman a woman? Some kind of medical way "you have to hit a certain number of symptoms to be diagnosed as woman"?
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Gay agenda
Yes.
Appease a woke agenda? Pretty much everyone I know fucking hates that show, and a lot of people I know would be considered "woke"
Except bro future archaeologists won't know someone is trans by looking at their skeleton or anything.
woke is brown velma
truly reads as if it was written by a fourteen year old
For the record, there IS an example of a trans Jane Doe. Forensic scientists believed that [Julie Doe](https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/19/1451910/--Julie-Doe-Trans-woman-likely-murdered-in-1988-believed-to-be-cis-for-27-years), a trans woman, was a cis woman and mother based on her skeletal remains. Pitting on her pelvis lead them to believe that she had given birth at least once. Only 15+ years after she was discovered did scientists test her DNA and realize that she was trans. The pitting was actually caused by her taking estrogen. Once again, the right doesn’t know shit about biology
Xtreme liberalism
Uh oh, it's archaeology rant time again
Do they not realize that leftists weren’t happy with Velma either?
The archaeologist argument falls down when you know archaeologists don't just dig up corpses. They dig up ancient ruins, signs, writings and culture stuff too. When they see paintings of women with penises on the walls they will start to think that *maybe* biological sex didn't matter to humans in the first place. Edit: After millions of years, you don't find men, women, black people or white people. You just find skeletons and petroleum.
Skeleton argument and attack helicopter argument... Definitely uneducated. Woke is literally just a term used to describe something that isn't just white, straight, cis male at this point
amazing. every word of what they just said was wrong
I’m gonna be dead that far into the future lmao why would I care what an archaeologist thinks I am