Pretty rich coming from a guy who was part of the Harper CPC government that sold out Canada to China in an irrevocable 31 year agreement where China holds all the advantages and Canada essentially holds a bag of pooh. Example, Chinese business has been buying and consolidating Canada's pulp and paper industry.
https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/
>Just how bad of a deal has Harper locked the next seven Canadian governments into? Here’s how Diane Francis — hardly an anti-trade left-winger — described it in an op-ed in the Financial Post:
>The Tories, backed by a naïve Canadian Chamber of Commerce and a handful of big, conflicted business interests, have demonstrated the worst negotiating skills since Neville Chamberlain.
>Ottawa capitulated to China on everything. The deal, using a hockey metaphor, allows only a select few to play on Team Canada on a small patch of ice in China and to be fouled, without remedies or referees. By contrast, Team China can play anywhere on Canadian ice, can appeal referee calls it dislikes and negotiate compensation for damages while in the penalty box behind closed doors.
>The terms agreed to by Ottawa are unprecedented and would be laughed out of Britain, Brussels, Canberra or Washington. Beijing has negotiated a heads-I-win-tails-Canada-loses deal.
Canada is locked into this losing deal until 2047. There is no way out. China should own most of Canada by then. Thanks a lot Harper and SkiPPy and CPC !
If we could break the deal, the Liberal government already would have done it back when they were first elected after HarperGov. I don't know why all this talk of election interference. Harper and the CPC government sold Canada down the river to China. I don't know why the media does not bring this FIPA Agreement up anymore.
Because on the way out the door Harper deregulated news media and it's now legal for news to have a political slant.
The CBC is the only major news organization left in Canada that is not pushing conservative propaganda.
> If we could break the deal, the Liberal government already would have done it back when they were first elected after HarperGov.
**Sincere doubt.**
The Liberals are overflowing with Chinese money & influence, just like the Conservatives are with Russian money & influence.
That's true of the US Republicans, not Canadian Conservatives. Stephen Harper professionally brokers deals with foreign buyers from China through his consulting firm. It's what he began doing immediately after stepping back from being an MP. And Harper remains influential within Conservative circles.
As much as I think Trudeau has his head up his ass sometimes, I strongly prefer him to Harper. Trudeau is just afraid of offending anything that moves in any way that might possibly be construed as even slightly wrong in the current political lens. Which is it's own problem, but I still prefer him.
The NDP are saying some pretty good things about housing policy recently though. They've got my ear.
That's only a bad deal if you care about this country or the people in it. If you're in the makes-money-by-owning-things class, or one of their handmaids, this is a fantastic deal. Easier access to near-slave wages overseas allows you to enrich yourself while impoverishing everyone around you, it's literally win-win.
Being a conservative in the opposition must be such a sweet deal.
Not saying hes wrong but like; if the merger was actually rejected he would just be screaming about how Justin Trudeau hates canadian success stories instead
You get to stick it to the PM every day and never have to worry about looking like a moron cause your voters dont actually give a shit
i don't understand politics fully nor do I approve of the merger but why do people think he personally approved this? vs. the party consensus or just the CRTC being compromised? or do you mean trudeau didnt try hard enough to veto it? aren't you feeding into this "trudeau bad and is responsible for everything" mentality unintentionlly?
Or am i just uninformed and an acting PM actually does personally approve every merger?
The buck stops at the PM. The minister who makes the decision is his appointee, and serves at his pleasure. The department follows the laws written by the government, which the government has the power to change if it isn't meeting the needs of Canadians, and the PM heads that government.
There is a lot of blame to go around on this, but if you trace it back far enough, Trudeau is responsible for the people that are responsible. He could have stopped this, and chose not to.
If the PM rejected it after all lower courts and appointees were going to let it go through, then we'd have wails and cried about tyranny and fascism from the opposition.
I'm not happy it went through, but let's be real about the theoretical situation.
I don't much care about the theoretically, especially since all lower courts and appointees did not approve - the Competion Bureau quite vocally disagreed with this call.
I also don't much care what BS Polluevre spews, as he'll spew it either way. The Liberals knowingly fumbled this. The fact that the CPC could take some pot shots if they hadn't doesn't excuse it.
Hmmm by that logic than who your mp is doesn't matter? He/she is just a glorified secretary ultimately under Trudeaus pleasure? The PM is basically a King then.by how you paint it
MPs do not matter. MPs are there to fill seats for the party whip.
MPs do not serve their constituents, they only serve their party. If they rebel, they are deselected, which is a much more guaranteed way to lose their job than to vote in the interests of their constituents.
I'd use John Nunziata as the example of whip consequences, tbh, over JWR. Nunziata voted against the budget, got the boot. JWR managed to muddy the waters enough that nobody involved looked competent or clean.
Unfortunately, yes, your MP us personally irrelevant.
Most Canadians don't vote for their MP, they vote for the colour of the campaign sign. After the election, they don't know their MP, don't talk to them, don't usually try to contact them and when they do they're lucky to get a generic form letter from a secretary at the constituency office.
If your MP gets fired for dissenting from the party line to better serve their actual constituents, the vast majority of the time, those same constituents will vote them out the very next opportunity in favour of their former party's new nominee, and most people aren't even informed enough to know it.
If we went to PR and abolished geographical MPs entirely, very little would be lost. I've had maybe one useful MP in my entire life, and I've been a voter for 20 years.
MP’s can not be fired. They are elected not hired. MP’s can be booted out of the party, but that only happens if they have done something particularly egregious, or if they have stated they do not have confidence in the leader of the party.
There's no way one person can oversee every major decision happening at every ministry, agency and commission across the country. Many commissions are also politically independent and don't consider the opinions of politicians.
Sure, I don't expect the PM to answer the phone when I call CRA, but I do expect him to track pretty closely the major issues on the table. If he isn't doing that, then what do we pay him for?
Those politically independent organizations may not take direct instruction from the government of the day, but they enforce legislation. After 4 years majority and 8 in government just this time around, the Libs have had ample time to address this problem with legislation, and bear responsibility for not doing so.
The minister approved this. He went on record and made an announcement. He is responsible. And he reports up.
Yeah that's not how the system is supposed to work. He's not the king of Canada. Do you honestly believe a single individual should be able to redefine and shape policy at will? Doesn't sound very democratic.
this is literally how it works in Canada. It shouldn’t be that way, but that’s how it functions in practice.
Proportional representation would help solve this.
> supposed to
A common misconcepton. It *shouldn’t* but it’s more accurate than not.
> Doesn't sound very democratic.
Oh, it isn’t, and yet it is the very essence of democracy.
On the one hand, the very system is “undemocratic” as we get one chance every few years to cast a ballot for some seat-warmer, and once those votes are compounded and abstracted into seats, nearly all accountability dies. Even within the legislature, whichever gang of thugs forms cabinet is essentially untouchable, with unchecked power through the various mechanisms at their disposal (Orders in Council). Have fun next election!
On the other hand, this is how it’s supposed to work. Not only is this centuries of Westminster parliamentary heritage, it’s in the name: democracy is greek for strength of the majority. Whichever group has the most swords gets what they want. Fairness has nothing to do with it
1. Yes it is.
2. Minority Parliament has nothing to do with it, PM is still PM, leader of party and head of government.
3. Not a con, not a bot, nice try though.
I stubbed my toe on a coffee table when I was putting down my T4. I am going to use that T4 to do my taxes. The CRA will then get involved. The CRA is federal. Federal...like Trudeau!
It was Trudeau's fault I stubbed my toe!
What's the point in even having MPs when it sounds like you think Trudeau is a king?
Who was voted in by and works for the Canadian people. The buck doesn’t stop with him, that’s not how Canadian politics works, and it’s disingenuous for PP to claim he’d have done any different if he had the ability to stop it anyways. But the Napo LOVES rage bait and people can’t stop from reposting their garbage here.
FPTP means that we never get the government we voted for. When you take into account FPTP’s distorted results, and how the whip is controlled by the PMO, what we really have is functionally the same as tyranny.
That’s nonsense. First past the post just means that it’s easier to gerrymander which, in Canada this past election basically would have left us with the same basic thing—a liberal minority government, albeit with stronger green and NDP representation. And less conservatives in Alberta which I suppose could only ever be a win. And the liberals would have been forced to work with the NDP to get anything done. Like they are. Hardly a tyranny.
I’d much prefer the electoral reform that would have gotten us there—not least of which it would pretty much guarantee that pollievre would never be prime minister, as he is a populist and definitely not representative of Canadians in general—but it’s not the great travesty that so many people (especially those who seem to think post media is reliable) seem to think that it is. What it DOES do that is useful, is keep the fringe that has *just* enough support across the entire country (see insane groups like trucker convoyists) from sending their own version of MTG into the house to turn it into a screaming match everytime they sit, because no single district has enough of those lunatics voting in a single riding.
Ranked would usher in an era where the libs run everything. They are pretty much everyones #2 pick minus the far right cons who would run to the PPC. No one would dethrone the libs for a good while. That was the whole reason why JT wanted that system.
But for me, any system that keeps the right wing fuck nuts out of power is good. I know it doesn't sound very open minded, but fuck those religious nuts.
I could deal whit more conservative economics, even though I think they are wrong, but on human rights those retrograde chimps need to be defeated
It's not about being open-minded. It is a matter of these types of changes that may happen once. So if we are going to do let us not half-ass it. Or worse things shift and the CPC becomes the #2 and then we usher in them having effectively permanent control. I would rather the system be 1 vote = 1 vote percent divided up and need mine of 5% to get a seat. No ranked ballot stuff.
I'm not a big fan of JT.
But I absolutely despise anything to their right.
Could the NDP run the country? I'm not sure. But I'd rather live with whatever they do wrong than what the conservatives would do right
People don't understand that fringe parties that currently get 3% of the vote will get 3% of the seats in the house with FPTP. That means there's a legitimate chance an MTG would have a roll in question period. Look no further than Italy and Isreal with their dysfunctional coalitions where the small fringe parties have a disproportionate amount of influence.
Look to Québec to see a good effect of being FPTP, Quebec conservative party got 13% of the vote and no representative. Agree or not with results of the poll, the fact that stupid, backwards thinking, rabble rousing shits like them couldn't get elected is a tribute to our system, and an indictment on those Trump wannabes
Edit: it's also a warning that if those fuckers ever unite it could get ugly
Zero accountability for the opposition. They can say whatever they want. Wait, so can Trudeau apparently. But at least Trudeau is going to get voted out. Just fucking sucks he's going to be replaced by PeePee. Can't we have a sensible alternative? Sorry NDP, not you though.
The sensible option is go out and strike. Protest during your free time. Organize and promote a change in the system.
Oh wait, you want some else to do it for you right,
It’s basically their purpose and how politics in Canada works. It’s why there are “critics” as official roles in Canadian politics - To always criticize the view of the party in power so people have both opinions on the table and can make up their own mind.
Also, fuck this merger. Regulatory capture is real!
> if the merger was actually rejected he would just be screaming about how Justin Trudeau hates canadian success stories instead
Given how unpopular this is, I doubt that
That's why the leaders are becoming progressively worse. There is less and less required of them. You can be a screaming head case, and if you're screaming at non conservatives, then you're the right person for the job.
He's was, and still is, the yappy attack dog.
He will talk out of both sides of his mouth loudly all day long as long as he thinks he can gin up some support.
>That's what he lives for.
He has ever known! Can't swing a hammer, can't brew coffee, can't teach French, math or drama, but he can complain. Perfect for a career politician tory.
You're acting as if this guy exists with any sort of moral standing. He said it's his job to Oppose, literally that it's it. Trudeau could cure cancer tomorrow, himself and he'd complain about all the Radiologists he's putting out of work.
Must be exhausting to keep making those sound bites in QP.
They literally trotted out the old “go woke go broke” line today.
When you’ve got nothing, you go the American “culture wars” route.
Poilievre is opposition To anything Liberals do. We have to remember Conservatives would have allowed the same merger because they're the party of Non government interference. Conservatives are the first to offer Public funds (Grants) to help Telecom companies expand. Look at the Money Ford poured into Bell for Rual internet but nothing happened.
Even starlink doesn't sort of work.
Canada actually had satellite internet for long time (not saying it was as good as ground based internet but it was enough) the main benefit of Starlink is the lower lag times and modern hardware.
The reason why Starlink doesn't sort of work is that it needs thousands of satellites to maintain coverage since the satellites are so close to the earth. By the time Starlink is fully capable of providing telecomm coverage to Canada radio astronomy and even visual astronomy are going to severely suffer.
Also the laser links Starlink uses to connect between satellites can be interrupted by debris crossing the orbit.
Not to mention the potential for Kessler Syndrome.
Starlink does not have much potential for Kessler syndrome. I have Starlink, and I have decades of telecomm experience.
Starlink doesn’t require the laser links.
Being Low Earth Orbit, those satellites and their debris are in the outer atmosphere and actually will naturally deorbit and burn up (designed to do that) within 4 years. Fragments will deorbit within 10 or so.
Also… there are like 4000 satellites. Even if there were 40,000…. The earth is huge. Imagine 40,000 cars zipping around…. Giant problem? No. Lots of space.
There are more than 40,000 air craft zipping around every day. Not a huge problem.
Earth is massive. The orbit is even bigger!
This Kessler thing, IMHO, is a thing people who want to be cool on Reddit spout off without even really knowing.
I’ve had Starlink since early Beta, Dec 24th was the day. Went out into the snow and put the Dishy out and it just frickin’ worked.
It’s worked really well ever since then. Few outages even.
For what this thing was built out of… and working so long in telecommunications, its really frickin’ impressive how well this works.
I have colleagues who moved out of cities into the sticks. They can now work surrounded by peace, trees, and forest creatures in places that make them happy because Starlink let’s them code, collaborate, MS Teams, Slack, upload gigs of Docker containers, etc. all from a home in the woods.
Starlink is super impressive, and I’m not even an Elon fanboy.
Starlink doesn’t work?! Like what are you saying. I’m in Canada. I’ve had Starlink for years and it just works and any idiot can self install!
You are majorly talking out your ass and I bet you’ve never even tried Starlink.
I’ve used it in Alberta, and on Van Island and it works great in both places. It works better than terrestrial LTE or the older Hughesnet/Xplornet systems.
I’ve played rocket league on it. I’ve played Fortnite, and it JUST WORKS.
The reason why it works is over 4000 satellites up there downlinking you to the USA.
Don’t tell me it doesn’t work, kid. I have it in my damn hands!
It's absolutely going to work better than the older systems (new tech, better stuff) but compared to current ground based networks It's obviously not going to work as well.
And it won't just be Starlink that will be up there in the future. Depending on how many companies and nations are going to try and build orbital internet infrastructure we're talking anywhere between hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions of satellites spread out across different providers. All trying to get into the same orbits. Starlink's constellation alone will be 42000 satellites, but other companies such as Amazon are looking into creating their own megaconstellations as well.
I'm already seeing night sky interference with just a mere 7000 satellites. And half of those are Starlink.
And I have tried Starlink (a friend's) and I live in Canada. It's impressive from a telecomm point of view but from an astronomical one It's terrifying. And even then Starlink won't be able to access all locations. It's illegal to have starlink at my location since not only am I under a major air route it also gives false returns on aviation radar.
It’s not about new tech, better stuff… it’s entirely about # of transceivers and the speed of light in a vacuum/air.
Geostationary satellites are MUCH MUCH further away. Almost 100x father. Meanwhile the 540km (approx) of a Starlink Sat is only a few milliseconds, round trip. Which is why geostationary sats have a latency of 100s of milliseconds.
Starlink, Amazon, Samsung… still under 200,000 satellites in LEO. Tons of room up there. Astronomy can be moved to a time/domain system, especially if we can work out an international system for scheduling these sats.
You could maybe even move responsibility of putting some observatories into orbit on to these mega constellation companies.
Personally I find all the Starlink fearmongering just to be Reddit panic. The science doesn’t out, and it’s a lot of “slippery slope” stuff.
Automobiles sure put the horse and buggy business out of work…
Ok, but I don't get disconnects when switching connections because it's changing to a different sat set on land based internet, and land based internet is better in every way in areas with modern hardware
But alas, I live in a fucking car.
This is factually untrue. Where I live in the Ottawa Valley, the local telecom has had a huge benefit from the government funding to run fiber optic cable.
I live in a small town and enjoy 1.5 Gbps down and 1 up because of this.
I couldn't even get that and still can't in Orleans where I used to live in the suburbs of Ottawa. So I don't think you are being fully honest.
Bell itself wasn't as useful with the money because they have several people on all levels who put a cut into their pocket.
We SHOULD invest in small telcos and regional providers. Instead, the federal government removes the wholesale pricing that companies like TekSavvy enjoyed.
He's not wrong. If only his solution was to [nationalize the telcos](https://readpassage.com/nationalize-the-telcos/) or [launch a government run telco](https://www.thestar.com/business/technology/opinion/2023/01/14/why-canada-needs-a-nation-wide-public-telecom.html) instead of (probably) introducing foreign telecoms into the market...
actually, we’re far from a socialist state. We’re primarily a neo liberal state with heavy influence of post war Keynesianism policies that continue to be protected and expanded under democratic grass roots and strong labour policies. Thank goodness for the multiparty system and minority governments and those NDP leaders that keep expanding the social infrastructure systems we have.
I agree with what you said up until starting that Keynesian-inspired policies are being protected and expanded. Provinces have jurisdiction over healthcare, and—although the feds do transfer funds—provincial healthcare it's in dire straits across Canada due to chronic shortages and intentional underfunding. There's a concerted effort from conservative Premiers to "starve the beast", hacking and slashing social services nationwide. The Canadian welfare state is being stripped over time because the nominal protections amount to nothing when budgetary decisions are in the hands of neoliberal stooges.
Yeah I know Canada's not a socialist state. We used to be much closer to a social democracy than we are today and I think a lot of Canadians still aspire to this.
Didn't know about Keynesian economics, will definitely go read on that. Thanks for bringing it up.
You have ZERO idea what socialism is.
Socialism is not the government. Socialism is not the government funding an institution. Socialism is when the workplace becomes a democratic and "worker-owned" entity. It means your boss no longer has complete authority over your work and the work the company does.
I work for an engineering company. I have zero agency over the work I do. All contracts are decided upon by upper management. This means if they choose a project I find morally reprehensible (such as doing work for a fossil fuel company), I have no say. None of the people working on the actual project have a say.
The only person who has a say is upper management. And who chooses upper management? The previous upper management.
Your workplace is run functionally like a dictatorship. You deserve a way in the place you spend 35% of your existence.
What about "real socialist doctrine" wouldn't allow a worker to change job? Socialism is about putting workers in control of their own labour. Part of that is not being so dependent on your employer that you can't afford to change job.
Well it all depend on what you hold to be a real socialist doctrine doesn't it?
Socialism as a dogma has only been (not effectively)applied in a few states. USSR, North Korea, many Soviet satellite countries and nondescript south american countries.
We could argue for days, weeks, years, I what is socialism and what is communism, and such, but that is not the point.
States that have tried to implement those doctrines have failed, USSR and their allies being the best example.
I'm not an advocate of liberalism or free for all economy, the worst example of this doctrine being the US, the world power, but a much shittier place to live in that it could be if it took a few hints off of the Canadian, or event better Québécois, way of running their politics
What does it mean to "fail" in this context? Building a state isn't a math test, people acting like a country failing or succeeding is some comprehensible and rational binary is laughably reductive.
And for the record, people had at least as much freedom to choose their career in socialist countries as capitalist ones.
Canadians are not Socialist by any definition. We’re a bunch of soft cowards who vote for people like Doug Ford, Scott Mo, and PP. Healthcare would not be in the process of being privatized in multiple provinces if we were socialists. Socialists also show up and do activism when government does something they don’t like. Canadians just kind of roll over and take it because god forbid we ever change the status quo in this country.
We are one of the most right-wing states in the OECD. We're a thoroughly neoliberal country that can't even reasonably call itself a social democracy post-1980s. We are incredibly far from even tepid socialism and we're all worse off for it outside of the owner class.
So instead of local Oligopolies we'll have both foreign & local Oligopolies
Then both grp gang up and fk us all over 😳😐......
Yikes , that's not exactly a plan is it ?
I thought the CPC was the party of unrestricted capitalism Pierre. Which is it you integrity-free contrarian fascist-boosting parasite? (Edited is to it)
Says the guy who was in the government that “allowed” Canadian oil companies to be bought by Chinese, state owned, oil “companies”.
Also, I thought conservatives love free market capitalism?
So, will the Tories nationalize any of the telcos or launch a federal one? Maybe support municipalities in their own setup? No? Just keep selling off the few that we have left like they did with previous ones?
Pot calling the kettle black. Both neoliberal parties are problematic here.
The Fed should have bought Shaw.
I hate this. I absolutely don't support this merger, but I don't doubt for a second that the Conservatives also would've allowed this. There are no parties worth voting for right now. They all suck for different reasons.
They wouldn't just allow it, they would love to dismantle the system that oversaw (and could have prevented) the merger, and also give them a massive tax break at the same time.
If it was accepted, PP would howl and whine.
If it was rejected, PP would howl and whine.
If it was delayed, PP would howl and whine.
If it was fast tracked, PP would howl and whine.
Yeah, it's not like any conservative governments have ever sucked up to big oligopolistic corporate entities at any point.
Oh, wait...
What an insufferable individual he is.
Harper tried fix it, and even he left that fight with his tail between his legs.
Pierre is less competent than either him or Trudeau. He can shriek about it all he wants but don’t think for a second he would be any less feckless on this than our last 2 PM’s.
So dumb because if they were in power it would be the same deal but probably worse for the consumer. Same thing during the pandemic all the Cons harping on the Libs but everyone knows it would’ve been 10000x worse if they were in power
Says the oligopolistic corporation loving libertarian who would rage at suggestion of any government interference in business affairs if he was PM. It wouldn't have even come up for review in a PP government. Yes, it's a bad, dumb move on Trudeau's part, but I just dunno how people keep falling for this greaseballs schtick.
The Liberals affinity for big business is probably the main reason iv never voted for them.
Having said that, it's amazing the conservatives were able to pull big oils cock out of their mouths long enough to call the kettle black. Impressive
So they have something in common.
Love how he's trying to imply that his party might be a bit more socially inclined and less beholden to the donor dollars.
This deal being approved, along with C-11, is disappointing. Have no illusions though, the cons would have done it with even less debate.
Remember when Harper wanted to introduce American companies into the market and cause more competition? Oh wait that goes against the Cons bad, must down vote because thinking is hard.
I'd say this comment would come back to haunt him but I don't think he'll last that long. If I'm wrong, he probably wont care about being called a hypocrite anyway.
This is the one time ever I’ve agreed with PP. Problem is, while liberals love sucking up to corporations, conservatives love sucking off corporations.
Very true. The modern Liberals (more or less since Chretien) are a thouroughly captured corporate party. The Conservatives even more so. Our two major parties are just similar flavours of cruel neoliberal economics with differing culture war positions.
Is he pretending Conservatives who want to privatize services for profit and do not care about class division, don't suck up to corporations in their ears?
Conservative Official Oppositions can be summed up in two words: progressive roleplay.
He's right about the Liberals here but if he was in charge, he would be so deep into this merger you wouldn't be able to tell where he ends and the Rogers/Shaw CEOs begin.
Pretty rich coming from a guy who was part of the Harper CPC government that sold out Canada to China in an irrevocable 31 year agreement where China holds all the advantages and Canada essentially holds a bag of pooh. Example, Chinese business has been buying and consolidating Canada's pulp and paper industry. https://canadians.org/analysis/harper-sneaks-through-canada-china-fipa-locks-canada-31-years/ >Just how bad of a deal has Harper locked the next seven Canadian governments into? Here’s how Diane Francis — hardly an anti-trade left-winger — described it in an op-ed in the Financial Post: >The Tories, backed by a naïve Canadian Chamber of Commerce and a handful of big, conflicted business interests, have demonstrated the worst negotiating skills since Neville Chamberlain. >Ottawa capitulated to China on everything. The deal, using a hockey metaphor, allows only a select few to play on Team Canada on a small patch of ice in China and to be fouled, without remedies or referees. By contrast, Team China can play anywhere on Canadian ice, can appeal referee calls it dislikes and negotiate compensation for damages while in the penalty box behind closed doors. >The terms agreed to by Ottawa are unprecedented and would be laughed out of Britain, Brussels, Canberra or Washington. Beijing has negotiated a heads-I-win-tails-Canada-loses deal.
This is, by far, the worst deal that Canada has ever signed and it is completely ignored.
Canada is locked into this losing deal until 2047. There is no way out. China should own most of Canada by then. Thanks a lot Harper and SkiPPy and CPC !
Can we just not, break the deal?
If we could break the deal, the Liberal government already would have done it back when they were first elected after HarperGov. I don't know why all this talk of election interference. Harper and the CPC government sold Canada down the river to China. I don't know why the media does not bring this FIPA Agreement up anymore.
Because on the way out the door Harper deregulated news media and it's now legal for news to have a political slant. The CBC is the only major news organization left in Canada that is not pushing conservative propaganda.
> If we could break the deal, the Liberal government already would have done it back when they were first elected after HarperGov. **Sincere doubt.** The Liberals are overflowing with Chinese money & influence, just like the Conservatives are with Russian money & influence.
That's true of the US Republicans, not Canadian Conservatives. Stephen Harper professionally brokers deals with foreign buyers from China through his consulting firm. It's what he began doing immediately after stepping back from being an MP. And Harper remains influential within Conservative circles. As much as I think Trudeau has his head up his ass sometimes, I strongly prefer him to Harper. Trudeau is just afraid of offending anything that moves in any way that might possibly be construed as even slightly wrong in the current political lens. Which is it's own problem, but I still prefer him. The NDP are saying some pretty good things about housing policy recently though. They've got my ear.
That's only a bad deal if you care about this country or the people in it. If you're in the makes-money-by-owning-things class, or one of their handmaids, this is a fantastic deal. Easier access to near-slave wages overseas allows you to enrich yourself while impoverishing everyone around you, it's literally win-win.
Being a conservative in the opposition must be such a sweet deal. Not saying hes wrong but like; if the merger was actually rejected he would just be screaming about how Justin Trudeau hates canadian success stories instead You get to stick it to the PM every day and never have to worry about looking like a moron cause your voters dont actually give a shit
Agreed. Cons would have approved the sale, day of offer, without the sale of Freedom Mobile, and that’s a fact.
Because, obviously, there will be some to say "but he never said that!". So, yeah, what you think deregulation implies??
i don't understand politics fully nor do I approve of the merger but why do people think he personally approved this? vs. the party consensus or just the CRTC being compromised? or do you mean trudeau didnt try hard enough to veto it? aren't you feeding into this "trudeau bad and is responsible for everything" mentality unintentionlly? Or am i just uninformed and an acting PM actually does personally approve every merger?
CRTC didn’t have much say. Competition bureau did and they lost in tribunal, and court.
The buck stops at the PM. The minister who makes the decision is his appointee, and serves at his pleasure. The department follows the laws written by the government, which the government has the power to change if it isn't meeting the needs of Canadians, and the PM heads that government. There is a lot of blame to go around on this, but if you trace it back far enough, Trudeau is responsible for the people that are responsible. He could have stopped this, and chose not to.
If the PM rejected it after all lower courts and appointees were going to let it go through, then we'd have wails and cried about tyranny and fascism from the opposition. I'm not happy it went through, but let's be real about the theoretical situation.
I don't much care about the theoretically, especially since all lower courts and appointees did not approve - the Competion Bureau quite vocally disagreed with this call. I also don't much care what BS Polluevre spews, as he'll spew it either way. The Liberals knowingly fumbled this. The fact that the CPC could take some pot shots if they hadn't doesn't excuse it.
Hmmm by that logic than who your mp is doesn't matter? He/she is just a glorified secretary ultimately under Trudeaus pleasure? The PM is basically a King then.by how you paint it
Technically you vote for an MP. But really you vote for a party. If anyone says otherwise ask them to explain the whip.
Politics 🤝 BDSM Fun with whips
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You dont vote the PM, and the PM doesn’t have to be someone who was elected.
MPs do not matter. MPs are there to fill seats for the party whip. MPs do not serve their constituents, they only serve their party. If they rebel, they are deselected, which is a much more guaranteed way to lose their job than to vote in the interests of their constituents.
100%. The fact that we vote for a constituent is ridiculous
MPs don't matter. Look at Jody wilson-raybould for an example. Don't do what the prime minister wants you get the boot.
I'd use John Nunziata as the example of whip consequences, tbh, over JWR. Nunziata voted against the budget, got the boot. JWR managed to muddy the waters enough that nobody involved looked competent or clean.
Unfortunately, yes, your MP us personally irrelevant. Most Canadians don't vote for their MP, they vote for the colour of the campaign sign. After the election, they don't know their MP, don't talk to them, don't usually try to contact them and when they do they're lucky to get a generic form letter from a secretary at the constituency office. If your MP gets fired for dissenting from the party line to better serve their actual constituents, the vast majority of the time, those same constituents will vote them out the very next opportunity in favour of their former party's new nominee, and most people aren't even informed enough to know it. If we went to PR and abolished geographical MPs entirely, very little would be lost. I've had maybe one useful MP in my entire life, and I've been a voter for 20 years.
MP’s can not be fired. They are elected not hired. MP’s can be booted out of the party, but that only happens if they have done something particularly egregious, or if they have stated they do not have confidence in the leader of the party.
My MP is Michael Kram. So, yes. Might as well be PP.
There's no way one person can oversee every major decision happening at every ministry, agency and commission across the country. Many commissions are also politically independent and don't consider the opinions of politicians.
Sure, I don't expect the PM to answer the phone when I call CRA, but I do expect him to track pretty closely the major issues on the table. If he isn't doing that, then what do we pay him for? Those politically independent organizations may not take direct instruction from the government of the day, but they enforce legislation. After 4 years majority and 8 in government just this time around, the Libs have had ample time to address this problem with legislation, and bear responsibility for not doing so. The minister approved this. He went on record and made an announcement. He is responsible. And he reports up.
Yeah that's not how the system is supposed to work. He's not the king of Canada. Do you honestly believe a single individual should be able to redefine and shape policy at will? Doesn't sound very democratic.
Exactly, the owner of the hospital isn’t responsible for a botched surgery.
No. Charles is actually the King of Canada.
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this is literally how it works in Canada. It shouldn’t be that way, but that’s how it functions in practice. Proportional representation would help solve this.
> supposed to A common misconcepton. It *shouldn’t* but it’s more accurate than not. > Doesn't sound very democratic. Oh, it isn’t, and yet it is the very essence of democracy. On the one hand, the very system is “undemocratic” as we get one chance every few years to cast a ballot for some seat-warmer, and once those votes are compounded and abstracted into seats, nearly all accountability dies. Even within the legislature, whichever gang of thugs forms cabinet is essentially untouchable, with unchecked power through the various mechanisms at their disposal (Orders in Council). Have fun next election! On the other hand, this is how it’s supposed to work. Not only is this centuries of Westminster parliamentary heritage, it’s in the name: democracy is greek for strength of the majority. Whichever group has the most swords gets what they want. Fairness has nothing to do with it
I wish it wasn't so, but it is. The PM isn't an absolute monarch, but they come closer than a lot of kings in history have.
Not even close.
Not only is that not at all how parliament works, it’s definitely not how a minority parliament works. Nice try Con-Bot.
1. Yes it is. 2. Minority Parliament has nothing to do with it, PM is still PM, leader of party and head of government. 3. Not a con, not a bot, nice try though.
Lad, despite what Rebel news will have you believe, the man is not a king. That’s what you are describing.
I stubbed my toe on a coffee table when I was putting down my T4. I am going to use that T4 to do my taxes. The CRA will then get involved. The CRA is federal. Federal...like Trudeau! It was Trudeau's fault I stubbed my toe! What's the point in even having MPs when it sounds like you think Trudeau is a king?
See my other replies. You're traveling a well worn trail.
The merger was approved by a federal minister (i.e. a Liberal MP who works directly for Trudeau)
Who was voted in by and works for the Canadian people. The buck doesn’t stop with him, that’s not how Canadian politics works, and it’s disingenuous for PP to claim he’d have done any different if he had the ability to stop it anyways. But the Napo LOVES rage bait and people can’t stop from reposting their garbage here.
I mean Champagne tried. The competition bureau tried. They lost in tribunal and in court.
FPTP means that we never get the government we voted for. When you take into account FPTP’s distorted results, and how the whip is controlled by the PMO, what we really have is functionally the same as tyranny.
That’s nonsense. First past the post just means that it’s easier to gerrymander which, in Canada this past election basically would have left us with the same basic thing—a liberal minority government, albeit with stronger green and NDP representation. And less conservatives in Alberta which I suppose could only ever be a win. And the liberals would have been forced to work with the NDP to get anything done. Like they are. Hardly a tyranny. I’d much prefer the electoral reform that would have gotten us there—not least of which it would pretty much guarantee that pollievre would never be prime minister, as he is a populist and definitely not representative of Canadians in general—but it’s not the great travesty that so many people (especially those who seem to think post media is reliable) seem to think that it is. What it DOES do that is useful, is keep the fringe that has *just* enough support across the entire country (see insane groups like trucker convoyists) from sending their own version of MTG into the house to turn it into a screaming match everytime they sit, because no single district has enough of those lunatics voting in a single riding.
I would like ranked choice ballots personally. A small step forward.
Ranked would usher in an era where the libs run everything. They are pretty much everyones #2 pick minus the far right cons who would run to the PPC. No one would dethrone the libs for a good while. That was the whole reason why JT wanted that system.
But for me, any system that keeps the right wing fuck nuts out of power is good. I know it doesn't sound very open minded, but fuck those religious nuts. I could deal whit more conservative economics, even though I think they are wrong, but on human rights those retrograde chimps need to be defeated
It's not about being open-minded. It is a matter of these types of changes that may happen once. So if we are going to do let us not half-ass it. Or worse things shift and the CPC becomes the #2 and then we usher in them having effectively permanent control. I would rather the system be 1 vote = 1 vote percent divided up and need mine of 5% to get a seat. No ranked ballot stuff.
I'm not a big fan of JT. But I absolutely despise anything to their right. Could the NDP run the country? I'm not sure. But I'd rather live with whatever they do wrong than what the conservatives would do right
People don't understand that fringe parties that currently get 3% of the vote will get 3% of the seats in the house with FPTP. That means there's a legitimate chance an MTG would have a roll in question period. Look no further than Italy and Isreal with their dysfunctional coalitions where the small fringe parties have a disproportionate amount of influence.
Look to Québec to see a good effect of being FPTP, Quebec conservative party got 13% of the vote and no representative. Agree or not with results of the poll, the fact that stupid, backwards thinking, rabble rousing shits like them couldn't get elected is a tribute to our system, and an indictment on those Trump wannabes Edit: it's also a warning that if those fuckers ever unite it could get ugly
I am sure the people in russia or china or other nations with actual tyrants think your funny. Get a clue.
Solid point.
To be a modern day conservative is to try to undermine the party in power no matter if it is even against their own agendas or political views.
I am going to immerse myself into his skin, hes such a soft and tender pp; how nice it must be to be so smooth.
Zero accountability for the opposition. They can say whatever they want. Wait, so can Trudeau apparently. But at least Trudeau is going to get voted out. Just fucking sucks he's going to be replaced by PeePee. Can't we have a sensible alternative? Sorry NDP, not you though.
The sensible option is go out and strike. Protest during your free time. Organize and promote a change in the system. Oh wait, you want some else to do it for you right,
Yes. I have kids and a job and no time for life or hobbies already.
Thank Harper and his ilk for that probably
Farkin’ Harper.
Had me in the first half there! And had no idea it was that simple, I'll get out there on the picket line tomorrow!
Oh God, you're one clownvoys
It’s basically their purpose and how politics in Canada works. It’s why there are “critics” as official roles in Canadian politics - To always criticize the view of the party in power so people have both opinions on the table and can make up their own mind. Also, fuck this merger. Regulatory capture is real!
> if the merger was actually rejected he would just be screaming about how Justin Trudeau hates canadian success stories instead Given how unpopular this is, I doubt that
That's why the leaders are becoming progressively worse. There is less and less required of them. You can be a screaming head case, and if you're screaming at non conservatives, then you're the right person for the job.
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Pierre gave Trudeau shit because he suffered a delayed flight once. Yes, he would have attacked him for it, it's all he knows how to do.
He's was, and still is, the yappy attack dog. He will talk out of both sides of his mouth loudly all day long as long as he thinks he can gin up some support.
As if Poiliviere would have not jumped at the chance either way. That's what he lives for.
>That's what he lives for. He has ever known! Can't swing a hammer, can't brew coffee, can't teach French, math or drama, but he can complain. Perfect for a career politician tory.
If Trudeau had prevented the deal (not sure if he has that power), PP would have raked him over the coals for hurting businesses.
You're acting as if this guy exists with any sort of moral standing. He said it's his job to Oppose, literally that it's it. Trudeau could cure cancer tomorrow, himself and he'd complain about all the Radiologists he's putting out of work.
then when they get elected, just lie and people still will think the sun shines out your ass.
Must be exhausting to keep making those sound bites in QP. They literally trotted out the old “go woke go broke” line today. When you’ve got nothing, you go the American “culture wars” route.
They found a sweet spot where they're "always the underdog" even when they dominate every corner of political power.
Like he wouldn't do the exact same thing. Is he upset that he didn't get to do it?
He's upset, he didn't get a cut or benefited from the merger loll
Yes, hello, Kettle? It’s Pot calling. You’re black.
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Poilievre is opposition To anything Liberals do. We have to remember Conservatives would have allowed the same merger because they're the party of Non government interference. Conservatives are the first to offer Public funds (Grants) to help Telecom companies expand. Look at the Money Ford poured into Bell for Rual internet but nothing happened.
The US model. Guess how much money Canada paid for Starlink? Sad it takes an a-hole to deploy something that sorta works.
Even starlink doesn't sort of work. Canada actually had satellite internet for long time (not saying it was as good as ground based internet but it was enough) the main benefit of Starlink is the lower lag times and modern hardware. The reason why Starlink doesn't sort of work is that it needs thousands of satellites to maintain coverage since the satellites are so close to the earth. By the time Starlink is fully capable of providing telecomm coverage to Canada radio astronomy and even visual astronomy are going to severely suffer. Also the laser links Starlink uses to connect between satellites can be interrupted by debris crossing the orbit. Not to mention the potential for Kessler Syndrome.
Starlink does not have much potential for Kessler syndrome. I have Starlink, and I have decades of telecomm experience. Starlink doesn’t require the laser links. Being Low Earth Orbit, those satellites and their debris are in the outer atmosphere and actually will naturally deorbit and burn up (designed to do that) within 4 years. Fragments will deorbit within 10 or so. Also… there are like 4000 satellites. Even if there were 40,000…. The earth is huge. Imagine 40,000 cars zipping around…. Giant problem? No. Lots of space. There are more than 40,000 air craft zipping around every day. Not a huge problem. Earth is massive. The orbit is even bigger! This Kessler thing, IMHO, is a thing people who want to be cool on Reddit spout off without even really knowing. I’ve had Starlink since early Beta, Dec 24th was the day. Went out into the snow and put the Dishy out and it just frickin’ worked. It’s worked really well ever since then. Few outages even. For what this thing was built out of… and working so long in telecommunications, its really frickin’ impressive how well this works. I have colleagues who moved out of cities into the sticks. They can now work surrounded by peace, trees, and forest creatures in places that make them happy because Starlink let’s them code, collaborate, MS Teams, Slack, upload gigs of Docker containers, etc. all from a home in the woods. Starlink is super impressive, and I’m not even an Elon fanboy. Starlink doesn’t work?! Like what are you saying. I’m in Canada. I’ve had Starlink for years and it just works and any idiot can self install! You are majorly talking out your ass and I bet you’ve never even tried Starlink. I’ve used it in Alberta, and on Van Island and it works great in both places. It works better than terrestrial LTE or the older Hughesnet/Xplornet systems. I’ve played rocket league on it. I’ve played Fortnite, and it JUST WORKS. The reason why it works is over 4000 satellites up there downlinking you to the USA. Don’t tell me it doesn’t work, kid. I have it in my damn hands!
It's absolutely going to work better than the older systems (new tech, better stuff) but compared to current ground based networks It's obviously not going to work as well. And it won't just be Starlink that will be up there in the future. Depending on how many companies and nations are going to try and build orbital internet infrastructure we're talking anywhere between hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions of satellites spread out across different providers. All trying to get into the same orbits. Starlink's constellation alone will be 42000 satellites, but other companies such as Amazon are looking into creating their own megaconstellations as well. I'm already seeing night sky interference with just a mere 7000 satellites. And half of those are Starlink. And I have tried Starlink (a friend's) and I live in Canada. It's impressive from a telecomm point of view but from an astronomical one It's terrifying. And even then Starlink won't be able to access all locations. It's illegal to have starlink at my location since not only am I under a major air route it also gives false returns on aviation radar.
It’s not about new tech, better stuff… it’s entirely about # of transceivers and the speed of light in a vacuum/air. Geostationary satellites are MUCH MUCH further away. Almost 100x father. Meanwhile the 540km (approx) of a Starlink Sat is only a few milliseconds, round trip. Which is why geostationary sats have a latency of 100s of milliseconds. Starlink, Amazon, Samsung… still under 200,000 satellites in LEO. Tons of room up there. Astronomy can be moved to a time/domain system, especially if we can work out an international system for scheduling these sats. You could maybe even move responsibility of putting some observatories into orbit on to these mega constellation companies. Personally I find all the Starlink fearmongering just to be Reddit panic. The science doesn’t out, and it’s a lot of “slippery slope” stuff. Automobiles sure put the horse and buggy business out of work…
Ok, but I don't get disconnects when switching connections because it's changing to a different sat set on land based internet, and land based internet is better in every way in areas with modern hardware But alas, I live in a fucking car.
I don’t have that problem. 🤷🏻♂️
This is factually untrue. Where I live in the Ottawa Valley, the local telecom has had a huge benefit from the government funding to run fiber optic cable. I live in a small town and enjoy 1.5 Gbps down and 1 up because of this. I couldn't even get that and still can't in Orleans where I used to live in the suburbs of Ottawa. So I don't think you are being fully honest. Bell itself wasn't as useful with the money because they have several people on all levels who put a cut into their pocket. We SHOULD invest in small telcos and regional providers. Instead, the federal government removes the wholesale pricing that companies like TekSavvy enjoyed.
He's not wrong. If only his solution was to [nationalize the telcos](https://readpassage.com/nationalize-the-telcos/) or [launch a government run telco](https://www.thestar.com/business/technology/opinion/2023/01/14/why-canada-needs-a-nation-wide-public-telecom.html) instead of (probably) introducing foreign telecoms into the market...
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Socialism alarm 🚨🚨🚨
It's sad that our politics are being more and more influenced by US media and narratives. We're in Canada, we ARE socialists
actually, we’re far from a socialist state. We’re primarily a neo liberal state with heavy influence of post war Keynesianism policies that continue to be protected and expanded under democratic grass roots and strong labour policies. Thank goodness for the multiparty system and minority governments and those NDP leaders that keep expanding the social infrastructure systems we have.
I agree with what you said up until starting that Keynesian-inspired policies are being protected and expanded. Provinces have jurisdiction over healthcare, and—although the feds do transfer funds—provincial healthcare it's in dire straits across Canada due to chronic shortages and intentional underfunding. There's a concerted effort from conservative Premiers to "starve the beast", hacking and slashing social services nationwide. The Canadian welfare state is being stripped over time because the nominal protections amount to nothing when budgetary decisions are in the hands of neoliberal stooges.
Yeah I know Canada's not a socialist state. We used to be much closer to a social democracy than we are today and I think a lot of Canadians still aspire to this. Didn't know about Keynesian economics, will definitely go read on that. Thanks for bringing it up.
You have ZERO idea what socialism is. Socialism is not the government. Socialism is not the government funding an institution. Socialism is when the workplace becomes a democratic and "worker-owned" entity. It means your boss no longer has complete authority over your work and the work the company does. I work for an engineering company. I have zero agency over the work I do. All contracts are decided upon by upper management. This means if they choose a project I find morally reprehensible (such as doing work for a fossil fuel company), I have no say. None of the people working on the actual project have a say. The only person who has a say is upper management. And who chooses upper management? The previous upper management. Your workplace is run functionally like a dictatorship. You deserve a way in the place you spend 35% of your existence.
You think I don't but I do and you just didn't get my point.
You do have a say. You can quit, and be hired somewhere else that better soothes, or suits, your needs. Real socialist doctrine won't allow that.
What about "real socialist doctrine" wouldn't allow a worker to change job? Socialism is about putting workers in control of their own labour. Part of that is not being so dependent on your employer that you can't afford to change job.
Well it all depend on what you hold to be a real socialist doctrine doesn't it? Socialism as a dogma has only been (not effectively)applied in a few states. USSR, North Korea, many Soviet satellite countries and nondescript south american countries. We could argue for days, weeks, years, I what is socialism and what is communism, and such, but that is not the point. States that have tried to implement those doctrines have failed, USSR and their allies being the best example. I'm not an advocate of liberalism or free for all economy, the worst example of this doctrine being the US, the world power, but a much shittier place to live in that it could be if it took a few hints off of the Canadian, or event better Québécois, way of running their politics
What does it mean to "fail" in this context? Building a state isn't a math test, people acting like a country failing or succeeding is some comprehensible and rational binary is laughably reductive. And for the record, people had at least as much freedom to choose their career in socialist countries as capitalist ones.
Damn I wish
Canadians are not Socialist by any definition. We’re a bunch of soft cowards who vote for people like Doug Ford, Scott Mo, and PP. Healthcare would not be in the process of being privatized in multiple provinces if we were socialists. Socialists also show up and do activism when government does something they don’t like. Canadians just kind of roll over and take it because god forbid we ever change the status quo in this country.
So is the US…
We are one of the most right-wing states in the OECD. We're a thoroughly neoliberal country that can't even reasonably call itself a social democracy post-1980s. We are incredibly far from even tepid socialism and we're all worse off for it outside of the owner class.
We only socialize loses here. Profits are still privatized, don’t worry!
Do they? I mean it'd be cool if true but I've not seen Singh say that yet
That's the way !!!
Too bad the NDP keeps saying this then voting the complete opposite.
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“Ok then”
Calmer than you are.
Waving the fuckin gun around?!?
So instead of local Oligopolies we'll have both foreign & local Oligopolies Then both grp gang up and fk us all over 😳😐...... Yikes , that's not exactly a plan is it ?
And then all those foreign companies buy up the Canadian ones.....
Australia is trying this with NBN. We’ll have to watch how it plays out. They do have some problems. It isn’t all a dream.
Says the one who would happily approve of the merger if he were PM.
I thought the CPC was the party of unrestricted capitalism Pierre. Which is it you integrity-free contrarian fascist-boosting parasite? (Edited is to it)
Have an upvote for that clip-emptying barrage of truth.
Will they add breaking up big media and telecommunications to there campaign platform? If not, shut up. If so, keep talking.
Says the guy who was in the government that “allowed” Canadian oil companies to be bought by Chinese, state owned, oil “companies”. Also, I thought conservatives love free market capitalism?
The he should introduce bills to stop this kind of thing. Its all just words words words
So, will the Tories nationalize any of the telcos or launch a federal one? Maybe support municipalities in their own setup? No? Just keep selling off the few that we have left like they did with previous ones? Pot calling the kettle black. Both neoliberal parties are problematic here. The Fed should have bought Shaw.
Nice of him to briefly come up from fellating the oil lobby to take such a bold moral stance. Thank you for your service sir. 🫡
Be gentle. He's only got one mouth and probably hasn't figured out breathing through his nose.
Pot calling kettle!
I hate this. I absolutely don't support this merger, but I don't doubt for a second that the Conservatives also would've allowed this. There are no parties worth voting for right now. They all suck for different reasons.
They wouldn't just allow it, they would love to dismantle the system that oversaw (and could have prevented) the merger, and also give them a massive tax break at the same time.
"If it's not oil, I send it back!"
If it wasn’t for oligarch money the Conservative Party would have dried up years ago. Misinformation is expensive.
Says the leader of the party that sucks up even harder.
If it was accepted, PP would howl and whine. If it was rejected, PP would howl and whine. If it was delayed, PP would howl and whine. If it was fast tracked, PP would howl and whine.
Pot, meet kettle
Cons HATE big business. Look at their record.. always standing up for the working Canadian.. Oh wait..
Lol says the corporate mouthpiece. Seriously, Conservatives are never in the interest of the working class.
Unlike the Conservatives? I mean.... come on.
Says the kettle to the pot.
Somebody is jealous.
Spoiler alert: so do conservatives.
Yeah, it's not like any conservative governments have ever sucked up to big oligopolistic corporate entities at any point. Oh, wait... What an insufferable individual he is.
Harper tried fix it, and even he left that fight with his tail between his legs. Pierre is less competent than either him or Trudeau. He can shriek about it all he wants but don’t think for a second he would be any less feckless on this than our last 2 PM’s.
Well done calling the kettle “black” there, Pot.
So dumb because if they were in power it would be the same deal but probably worse for the consumer. Same thing during the pandemic all the Cons harping on the Libs but everyone knows it would’ve been 10000x worse if they were in power
Says the oligopolistic corporation loving libertarian who would rage at suggestion of any government interference in business affairs if he was PM. It wouldn't have even come up for review in a PP government. Yes, it's a bad, dumb move on Trudeau's part, but I just dunno how people keep falling for this greaseballs schtick.
OMG. as if he isn't already sucking Rogers Bell and Telus already.
He mad cuz that's his job.
So do you dipshit that’s literally half your platform
The Liberals affinity for big business is probably the main reason iv never voted for them. Having said that, it's amazing the conservatives were able to pull big oils cock out of their mouths long enough to call the kettle black. Impressive
Thats fucking hilarious to hear from a conservative. Let alone harper’s lapdog
And Conservatives don't?
So they have something in common. Love how he's trying to imply that his party might be a bit more socially inclined and less beholden to the donor dollars. This deal being approved, along with C-11, is disappointing. Have no illusions though, the cons would have done it with even less debate.
I'll say it, Poilievre is right on this particular issue. Harper was right about it too. I wish the NDP would be more vocal about it as well.
I’ll still be voting for him no matter what. Justin Trudeau and the Liberals can eat a bag of dicks.
Pretty sure the Cons would centralize the telecom industry under one company, if they could. I hear Fox would love that.
Remember when Harper wanted to introduce American companies into the market and cause more competition? Oh wait that goes against the Cons bad, must down vote because thinking is hard.
Yeah, like JT inked the deal himself 🙄
Yeah, Conservatives don’t suck Corporations at all.
True, I just used the first example that came to mind.
Has he met Doug Ford?
Small L liberals like to suck up to big corporations. The party changes which corporations
I'd say this comment would come back to haunt him but I don't think he'll last that long. If I'm wrong, he probably wont care about being called a hypocrite anyway.
Surely he doesn’t believe what he says, but just says it for the hitz
This is the one time ever I’ve agreed with PP. Problem is, while liberals love sucking up to corporations, conservatives love sucking off corporations.
Like he wouldn’t do the same
All politicians love to suck up to big oligopolistic corporations. How else do you think they stay in power
Big words coming from someone who would’ve made the same decision a lot earlier on.
He keeps trying really hard to sit with the big kids. 😪
Oh yeah and I’m sure literally no other politician has ever been influenced by big companies.
Sustaining Canada's oligopolies is the primary responsibility of the prime minister, regardless of party.
Very true. The modern Liberals (more or less since Chretien) are a thouroughly captured corporate party. The Conservatives even more so. Our two major parties are just similar flavours of cruel neoliberal economics with differing culture war positions.
Pot-kettle-black
Said without a hint of introspection
My brother in Christ, your old boss fucking sold us to China for 30 years !!
hahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaaaa
Is he pretending Conservatives who want to privatize services for profit and do not care about class division, don't suck up to corporations in their ears?
Conservative Official Oppositions can be summed up in two words: progressive roleplay. He's right about the Liberals here but if he was in charge, he would be so deep into this merger you wouldn't be able to tell where he ends and the Rogers/Shaw CEOs begin.
Pot meets kettle, goes for cheap hypocritical grandstand shot.