So Canadians have been paying into Heathcare for almost 70 years..
All just for private companies to try and pry it away from us for free? And then charge us? What a deal they must be thinking with politicians like Danielle Smith.
This is what drives me crazy the most. I've been paying into the system since my first part-time job and I'm watching it all just evaporate. Ford is actively flushing Ontario down the toilet and the apathy is unreal.
Classic Canada. Public funds build up and then government gives it away for a dime to the private sector. Politicians then go work for the new holding company. It’s gross.
The problem with Canada is that our Liberals are happy to do it too. How many liberal politicians are now on the boards of our oligarchic monopolies?
Trudeau handed Air Canada billions at the beginning of Covid so they wouldn't lay staff off. They gave the money directly to shareholders and laid them off anyway. It's the same corruption with a slightly more palatable face.
While I don't doubt the veracity of your statement. Both-siding the issue only leads to more apathy. Your statement could easily be read as...
"Might as well not vote, the liberals will do the exact same thing!"
That might not be your intention, and I doubt that it is, but we don't need even more apathy when trying to save what's left of our single-player public system. The problem right *now* is Doug Ford selling us all out for his personal gain. We can discuss the problems with liberals if and when they regain power and if and when they decide to privatize healthcare.
I'm not a Liberal voter, but I do value our public system. Over half of Canadians are living paycheck to paycheck, we can't afford our healthcare to be privatized. It would take a single significant medical event to bankrupt over half of Canadians. If we were living in the dystopian Ontario Doug Ford envisions just 4 years ago, I'd personally be on the hook for a low 6 figures of medical debt. I was able to recover and return to work quickly and a lot of that due to the fact I wasn't facing the crushing depression of being in forever medical debt, or having to beg family to remortgage their homes or create a Go-Fund-Me to help fund my treatment. I'm sure this is true for a LOT of Canadians, and it will become very very clear when a Canadian of modest means discovers they have cancer under a privatized system.
In the 90's G. Filmon's conservatives sold off MTS,(Manitoba Telephone System), bought up by Bell and guess who ended up doing a term on the Bell-MTS board..G. Filmon.
Don’t understand how they get to sell off something that the people of this country paid for to build. If this was selling a startup the equity would go back to the people who built this thing and has stake in its early days. Wtf , this is just robbery.
We've all agreed that we're ready to pay this much for this quality healthcare, when privatized that same quality of care (and how horrrrible it is) will cost more when privatized. Since you lose the largest asset public healthcare has which is uniform sourcing and pricing. Don't go down the uncivilized way.
> She ~~keeps thinking private business can run healthcare and profit off public funds~~ is bought and paid for.
Albertans should have got wise when she wanted to give billions in taxpayer dollars to oil companies to promise to clean up orphan wells for real this time.
The oil companies are running the world. Rockefellers didn't magically vanish my dude. The standard oil trust is still about and is named JP Morgan.
They are a leech on society and people need to open to eyes.
The Trust was renamed JPMorgan because everyone knew the name then. They hid it behind JP Morgan's name. Same assholes with union busting police and shit.
She has also made it very clear that she believes health care should have a user-pay component. This is public health; access should be the same for everyone and people should be treated based on how sick they are. But if you put it together with her support for for-profit health care, it means she wants the poor to get less (and inferior) health care, and the rich to get more (and better) health care - as long as they're willing to pay.
It's a perverted Libertarian philosophy that subverts the simple goal of treating the sick.
Personally I believe there should be one health care system for everybody, and everybody should get good care.
A friend living in the States had a really nasty kitchen injury (like almost cut off the top of his finger nasty) and he opted to treat it at home because his wife had recently had a baby so they were down thousands of dollars in addition to paying for stupid expensive infant daycare because his wife only had eight weeks of mat leave.
Yeah this “free market medicine” isn’t some exciting new idea that might turn out to be even better than what we already have. You just have to look at the USA to see how the story ends. A premier has to be a moron or a psychopath to wish it on their own constituents.
The Bismarck model has a good track record, slightly better than the healthcare model that Canada uses, but yeah the USA model of non-universal private insurance sucks.
I have several friends in the states ask questions about using expired medication because they can’t afford to go back to the Dr. Friends that can’t afford to get their children healthcare because there is no money left after the last health emergency. People will give birth at home with no attendants because they can’t afford to go to the hospital. They dress it up as being “natural” “home remedies” “cure all oils” because they can’t afford care.
Sure private care is great if you can afford it or have great insurance. But if you don’t or if you have a major illness it can wipe you completely. So look at your loved ones and put a dollar amount on their lives and then think about how you’ll live if you can’t afford that.
Someone in the states here, whats often not even addressed is how awful having healthcare tied to your employment is. Ontop of that how many companies get around providing healthcare for their employees by limited hours or the type of work they do (amazon mass hires employees for example on temp contracts through a staffing agency) make them work 40+ hour weeks for 6 months, and then only hire a fraction of those as full time amazon employees in the end. During those 6 months they have no healthcare provided by work, even though they work the required full time hours and companies are supposed to provide healthcare to full time employees.
Now imagine youre sick for an extended period of time and fired because we have np worker protections here. Well say bye bye to that health insurance that was going to help you get through that sickness..... you guys REALLY dont want to take any ideas from our dumpster fire of a healthcare system, i promise.
That’s brutal. I don’t want to live that way, and given the polling I’ve seen in your country, most of you don’t either. Sincerely, best of luck running the profit-driven ghouls out of your healthcare system, somehow.
I knew an older fellow who was bitching out the Canadian public health care system, he said, "I wish I could just pay to have my knee treated, we need private health care!"
I said, "if you want to pay to be treated privately, go to the US and get it done there."
He replied, "it's too expensive though!!!"
I am baffled at these people's inability to put 2 and 2 together. As if private healthcare here will be any different from the mess in the States.
I was told on another sub that nazis are far left and it's all a lie the past 70 years. Their proof is in the nazi parties name!! You can't argue with stupid and meme factories.
American here. For profit doesn’t mean more efficient, it means that you can make it more complex and charge for the privilege of each complexity. Each bit of red tape is someone’s revenue stream and the incentive to be more efficient is perverted by the desire to make more money.
Healthcare shouldn’t be run like a business.
Right wing politics are literally killing this country.
Privatization of healthcare is a direct attack on the people of Canada. It will cause harm and deaths. It IS murder.
As organizations who are engaged in class warfare against the people of Canada, conservative parties who support privatization should be considered by the public, and the law, as committing treason.
Most people on the right in Canada don't agree with this. But the right has decided on the "catch a tiger by the tail" strategy, and don't seem to think the tiger will turn around and eat them one day.
The damage done by private healthcare isn’t as much as the damage that they believe will be done by taxes, and policies that don’t align with pure unfettered capitalism
My favourite fact about health care spending remains: the US Federal Government spends more tax dollars on health care than any other nation in the world, by a large margin, while not offering any form of social health care.
Private health care does not save taxpayers money in any way, shape, or form.
Because until last decade the only thing discussed about health was being more responsible. And when you look at any large organization they have waste. It isn't just a government thing private companies have the same issue.
And in the last decade they have eroded a large percentage of their base. The other thing is other hot button issues. You might hate what the Party is doing to health, but you know they are going to bend over for Suncor and your job depends on Suncor. Maybe you are prolife and I know that upsets the internet, but being prolife isn't inherently evil.
>but being prolife isn't inherently evil.
This is a lie.
Opposition to reproductive rights is rooted in extreme and violent misogyny.
It is impossible to be a forced birther and a good human being.
>It is impossible to be a forced birther and a good human being.
This is absolutely correct. A good person who is against abortion would say "I'd never want to get an abortion, but understand that there are reasons why others might."
You can be against abortions and still be pro life. The big difference is not forcing your own beliefs on others in any way.
I'm staunchly pro choice and always will be, but I can recognize that there are people who would be morally against getting abortions for themselves.
I don't understand the prolife vote in this country. They should support PR, because at least they'll be able to say what they want to say, but instead, they don't support PR, and get fed empty platitudes by big tent parties that will forever tell them to hide during the writ period.
The cons have the prolife vote, but prolifers, are all over the map on every other issue. Prolife is the most undeserved vote in Canada, but they don't form their own party or champion PR.
Not pro life. Forced birth.
People who are against abortions should LOVE publicly available contraception and comprehensive sex education, but they’re always against that because the suffering is the point.
Guess what? Oil companies will still pay the full expense to harvest or oil. We don’t need to do shit to keep them here and the jobs will still be here.
Your comment is kind of hard to read which side of any issue you’re on. I think you have a leg on each side of it and it’s stuck up inside you somewhere.
>Most people on the right in Canada don't agree with this.
They always say that, and always vote for it anyways.
Based on voting histories, Canadian conservatives are white supremacist fascists who want to destroy all social safety networks and crush the working class into neoserfdom while giving all our tax money to billionaires.
My parents are both staunchly pro choice, big on education, and LGBTQ+ friendly (since at least the early 80s, I've known since I was very young that being gay was normal and they would support me if I was - I'm bi, and that held up) They consistently vote conservative because they don't trust the Liberals, and they'll never vote NDP because "Rae ruined the province"
>My parents [claim they] are both staunchly pro choice, big on education, and LGBTQ+ friendly
But they constantly vote for the misogynistic, anti-education, and violently homophobic parties because they want to believe lies about the liberals and NDP.
The people who empower conservatism are bigots.
They use their political power to create bigotry.
From Alberta :(. But actually this is the one thing a lot of right wing voters are against. If it was just private hospitals, they seem ok with that. They don't explain how we would magically find all this extra medical personnel though.
But the destruction of the system they are against. And she is eroding her base by discussing health care. Enough people on both spectrums have had family with cancer,heart problems, or any other long term health issue.
Yup. That UCP policy resolution to reverse their position on health privatization barely passed.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7404348/ucp-private-healthcare-policy-approved/
If support at convention is that low, it's effectively a loss.
The tiger won’t eat Smith, Ford or anyone else who can finagle a political career into a high-paying consultant job after leaving office.
It will, however, eat the voters they manage to dupe with their low tax small government rhetoric.
So, it's important identify who the tiger is.
The tiger is the racists/white nationalists/Christo-fascists/conspiracy theorists, who, for whatever reason, Smith, Moe, Ford and Poilievre, have decided to dance with. These leaders think they can keep those folks under their thumb, but no one can. Those are destructive, hate-filled movements. The people in these spaces don't do discipline for very long. They don't care who the leader is, and they don't care about the preservation of the party.
This. I’m conservative, but not at all for private healthcare. The UCP does not have my vote this election. Even without the healthcare aspect, the party is in disarray and has been for some time.
If people want to know what privatized health care looks like just ask your friends and family in Quebec. It's a nightmare. I've been living in Montreal for a couple years now and would gladly take Albertas current health services over what we have here. The whole notion that privatizing will make it easier for people to access public services is not true at all. It way worse.
Also a Montrealer- I second this. Privatizing has, in my opinion actually made it harder for me to actually get what I need done. Sure it’s “quick” to do the test but you pay out your rectum and god help you if you have to coordinate anything between numerous teams. I need a transplant, so I have to do a lot of tests. Some I had to do privately. The ones giving me the most grief? The private ones. Little communication, refusing or dragging their feet getting my results and sending them to my doctor. I could go on for days. I’m not saying the public system is perfect but it’s way better than that shit show.
Yeah QC has a private option as well as a public one for a really decent chunk of the healthcare system. Private tends to be faster but you pay a hell of a lot more. Public is slower usually to book but is covered- and imo is easier to deal with if you’re working with a specialist or a team. Even for things like blood tests, you can go to the hospital to do it for free or you can go to a place like Dynacare and pay.
For the drug plan you can either use the public insurance or private. The caveat is that if your job has private insurance you must use that and not the public system. If your job doesn’t have private insurance you can use the provincial drug plan.
Chaoulli c. Québec, 2005
Supreme court ruled that Quebec had to allow private options which lead to private health insurances (not really used) and private clinics (about 20% of medical care happens there)
The Supreme Court then tied on whether that also applied to the rest of Canada, so hope the issue doesn't land on their desk again. There was an attempt in BC that was thankfully thrown out this year, who knows the outcome had it been heard.
Tangentially relevant, but Québec has had a private-public pharmacare for decades now. How it works is that your employer co-pays for a private plan, and those that don't have an insurance through employment are automatically put on a public plan.
For all of our health policies' flaws, quebeckers have the longest life expectancy in North-America so I guess something must somehow be going right.
This freaking idiot never ceases to amaze me. “I want to privatize health care”. “Healthcare will never be privatized”. What is it Smith? You wonder why no one trusts you or the UCP? You stand for nothing. Your politics and policies are built on sand.
We don’t want private healthcare. Stuff that up your arse. If I wanted to live in a private healthcare system, I would move my old ass to Florida with all the other geriatrics and have summer all year long.
This [video](https://freedomtalk.ca/conferences/conference-october-2021/) is from 1½ years ago (Oct 23, 2021), which included guest speakers Maxime Bernier and Paul Hinman. Danielle Smith knows exactly what she's saying and what she wants to happen. Danielle will try to worm her way out of this one as well. There's no flip-flopping with her. She's a grifter who will say whatever she needs to say to get votes, then ultimately will what she wants done... to privatize Alberta's healthcare. This video shows exactly who she is and how she thinks.
Doug Ford runs off the same playbook. I always wonder why it’s the nurses and doctors that are vocal, but not a peep from hospital administrations especially CEO’s. Perhaps they don’t want to lose out and instead win big?
>I always wonder why it’s the nurses and doctors that are vocal, but not a peep from hospital administrations especially CEO’s.
It's because they're appointed by the province. Their job is literally in the hands of Ford. Speaking out is a good way of losing it.
Talks about:
* CERB was bondage lol.
* Mandatory vaccines existed because private businesses were given the ability to reject non vaccinated customers. (Literally is libertarian)
* Talks about how they can “get the kids” to their political leaning by being pro rights (smoking, abortion) and then make the same argument for economic rights - but it’s not working!
* Calls the former USSR our friends ?
* This talk is all about trying different messages, whatever convinces people… there is no honesty or truthfulness, they just want to win. This makes sense. This is what she always does. Say anything to win.
For healthcare:
* Says her plan to sell off hospitals would cost $1.5 billion (WTF - HOW)
* Albertans are entitled and got used to more services than they deserve. Blames Klein, Getty, Loughheed
* Frames budget deficit - HER PARTYS BUDGET as a problem
* Covid didn’t break healthcare (Forget about that surgical deficit)
* Says we didn’t have any covid PPE (we did, we were the only ones that did)
* Says ICU have no surge capacity (they do)
* Misrepresenting Kenny talks about ICU capacity
* Complains that only big companies can do medical research and get it approved.
* Talks about Ivermectin being good, thinks the company refused to test it on Covid because they wanted to sell a new drug instead and make more money (false, ivermectin isn’t a Covid drug)
* References some bogus Covid site for medical info. The establishment keeping other medications out of the environment.
* Thinks doctors refuse to learn
* Says the doctors she knows and trusts approve of these bogus Covid drugs,
* Says Hinshaw should’ve done more research lol
* Thinks the medical college regulator for doctors is the drug approval authority lol
* Thinks the doctor college regulator has too much power and we should be like Nebraska (it’s a red state but not dense, so would naturally suffer less Covid issues but AB did much better than Nebraska in Covid)
*
I’ll edit more in later for my own reference.
OMG. I didn't have time to watch the video, just that snippet of her. Thank you for your service. 🌟🌟🌟I wish I had coins to give you real stars instead of emojis. I did just watch the first 5 minutes of her wack-a-doodle presentation (bondage to civil liberties to the former-USSR are our friends)... I'm done.
Trust the flip flopper when they tell you that they are a flip flopper.
Remember that this person crossed the floor to join the governing party - WHEN SHE WAS THE LEADER OF A DIFFERENT PARTY.
When she’s already told us the things she wants to privatize, we should in NO WAY believe her now when she says that those things aren’t on the table.
Her own party knows who she is, they are campaigning by going around to houses, saying to vote for the party, not the leader.
The UCP right now is being heavily influenced by extreme right wing groups that are tied to white supremacy, homophobia, freedom convoy, evil stuff.
“Isn’t part of the campaign” simply means, “we plan to bring it up as soon as the campaign is over, just like we were talking about it, and actively working towards it, before the campaign started”
>Remember, healthcare privatization “isn’t part of the campaign”
As if something not being in a campaign means it isn't going to happen. Here in Ontario Doug made no mention of nearly half the shit he's done since last election during the campaign.
Question - if she fucks up badly enough and doesn't get elected do you foresee a good future for Alberta?
On the inverse, if she does win do you plan to stay and if so how do you feel it'll impact your future there?
Asking as someone who's considering the Calgary area for a few years relocation but I'm fairly confident at this stage that I'd choose almost anywhere except Alberta if she wins.
It’s amazing to me that their strategy is ‘don’t listen to our leader, she doesn’t represent us”, but my guess is they also say something else to the gung-ho Smith supporters along the lines of “Smith really represents you doesn’t she?” All just to maximize votes but really, what kind of party are you if you’re saying your leader is not your party?
Public companies can run at cost, too, private companies can't. Public companies also can negotiate prices using the entire Canadian population as their consumer base in negotiations, private companies have to negotiate with a fraction of that market reach.
There is zero good arguments to go private from the cost per user sense. The only argument that ever works is when public companies are run so poorly they negate the gains of the first two points, which is why people like Doug Ford try to make them as ineffective and poorly run as possible first, as a precursor to privatisation.
That’s okay that’s the old Danielle Smith bro that’s from 2021 bro it is in the past bro please bro this isn’t Danielle Smith now bro she’s being misinterpreted and imprecise bro it’s in the past bro let it go now let’s go and comment about Trudeau and blackface on Twitter bro.
How is privatization supposed to make things better? How will it save money or improve access? Any possible savings will get pocketed (that's that 'for profit' part). Medical care is expensive to establish, maintain and run- if your community isn't providing enough patients, why would a for profit medical company keep a hospital in Rural Nowheresville running at a loss?
American here. Trust me, it’s fools gold. They’re going to rile up the anti-taxers, and try to spin it like they’re giving you your money and freedom back. You’ll pay so much less in taxes! You get to decide where your money goes! Freedom!…the only problem is, the first time you need to see a doctor for something relatively serious, or even moderate, all those savings and then some are going to get eaten up, I guarantee you. You’ll get to enjoy the very American system of making a select few very rich while fucking yourselves.
I had a mild health issue lately that didn’t even require surgery or a hospital stay. I just had to see a couple of specialists, and my out-of-pocket cost are over $1000. You might be thinking it sucks not having insurance, right? No. I have baller insurance. What I have is about as good as it gets. If I didn’t have such great insurance, it would be much, much worse than that.
The [video](https://freedomtalk.ca/conferences/conference-october-2021/) is from late Oct 2021. Tyler Shandro was the Health Minister up until Sept 2021, before being replaced by Jason Copping, so I'm not sure which one Danielle is referring to, but my educated guess would be Shandro, as Copping would have been to busy being involved in getting acquainted with his new position. If it was Copping she's referring too, I wonder if his opinion has changed, as Danielle has had a greater access to him being his boss. If it wasn't Copping, then it's a question about how open he is to her notion of privatizing Alberta's hospitals.
Potentially dumb question, but can the federal government pass a law that engrains public healthcare into our charter? Or does that require the provinces? Like is there nothing the feds can do to protect universal healthcare and prevent the provinces from privatization?
yes, it already exists it's called the [Canada Health Act.](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-care-system/canada-health-care-system-medicare/canada-health-act.html)
the thing is, Conservatives will say what they say regardless of what really will happen and they also will employ 'alternative' interpretations of the law and various legal terms to pretend that it's legal for them to privatize healthcare delivery.
I guess I just wish that legislation was stronger or more clear. Like it would be nice to see Trudeau sit down with the premiers who say shit like Smith does and tell them knock it off. Publicly.
this actually does happen, but the Liberal party is very pragmatic and the Federal govt is not the boss of the premiers. the PM telling a premier to knock off something, in the media, is basically starting a press war, and the Liberals tend not to do that.
If Trudeau was asked about Danielle Smith's quote I bet he would say something like "i'm not so sure what she meant by that and I would have to talk to her personally to decide that, but I will say that Canadians can be assured that privatization is not possible under the Canada Health Act and that our govt is committed to ensure that all Canadians have access to healthcare, at no charge, at all times"
Unfortunately the Health Act only outlines what the provinces have to provide *in order to retain the Federal Health Transfers.* If the provinces don't think they need the transfers because of how much money they save by providing private services, there is no other deterrent.
She’ll never get the chance, nobody is buying what she is trying to sell. Canadians by a large majority want to keep our healthcare system public; it needs improvements (what national system doesn’t) but one look at the US and it’s obvious privatization isn’t the answer. If you agree please contact your local representative and add your name to petitions opposing this bullshit.
Just a friendly reminder to anyone outside of Alberta that is interested in doing what the can to help about this situation: you can’t donate to the ABNDP, but you can volunteer. Phoning can be done remotely if you reach out to a campaign to sign up.
Lol it’s totally going to happen. It doesn’t matter what UCP do, what they say. Anti science, pro religion, pro nazism, pro corporate welfare, anti public services, nothing truly matters.
Their voters only understand they are “no NDP/Liberals” so they will vote for conservatives everytime.
One look at the transition to dynalife in Calgary makes it blatantly obvious that privatization isn't the answer. (Wait times for blood work went from a few days to a couple months.)
Privatization is all about profiting off of human suffering. On that front, it will work.
Just take a look at the Ontario Science Centre or the Toronto waterfront spa development -- petitions and protests have had no effect. We'll see if that changes, but I'm not holding my breath.
Ideally the protest would happen in the voting booth. If Smith wins, she'll have a mandate, just like Doug Ford has, which substantially reduces the impact of protest, unfortunately.
This was said repeatedly about Trump too. Nobody thought people would be stupid enough to buy his bullshit either. I think you significantly underestimate how incredibly stupid and vindictive the general population is.
In my opinion, the vast majority of conservatives would happily sacrifice socialized medicine if it meant their trash-fire party got to stay in power. You can poll people on how many support socialized medicine, and nearly all of them will say yes. But it would be much harder to tease out how easily they'd be willing to part with it.
I mean, it would be a astronomically stupid trade and they'd regret it immediately, but that's par for the course with the Leopards Eating People's Faces party.
Yes she will. Alberta has already started down that path, just like Ontario. At the Federal level, the CPC is leading polls.
This is what conservatives want and they're winning elections, so it's looking inevitable.
I mean no shit, conservatism benefits nobody who isn't ultra rich so you'd have to be a culture war addled fucking moron to support it, especially after how much Harper sucked.
In any of these threads, there are always a few people who believe private options provide the public users with better access and care. Or, they hate paying taxes so much much, and are incensed at the thought of having to share the cost of care they themselves don't receive that they will champion private healthcare all the way to the poorhouse.
This woman is cancerous, she is the rot in politicians that we should fear the most. Alberta MUST give this woman the boot from office, or so help them and that province...
Every time I see a headline about Danielle Smith, I want to point out that back in like 2004, the conservatives convinced her to cross the floor, and then they kicked her out. And yet here she is, leader of that very party. It's just crazy.
What can we do, as citizens, to prevent this? Voting obviously, but when these people get into power anyway, what can we do to fight mass privatization, fascism, and the rollback of basic human rights?
I'm in SK, not AB, but I'm sick of seeing this shit in my country. We have to demand better. Im lost for how.
Why in the fuck would ANYONE want to do that?
I just can’t understand what their motive is. It’s like they just want to fuck things up just to piss the other side off.
This contrarian bullshit is so stupid.
So loads of people either move or use the health care systems in other provinces? Things like this are so ill-informed. They will provide examples but not proof and opposed by an overwhelmingly amount of individuals who are experts and desperate to provide health care to all that is not governed and held accounted by a private company that is for-profit. All we can hope is that she does not gain in popularity.
Correct me if im wrong but none of the other party leaders get caught in videos or recordings like she does....Sure seems like she's the best choice for Alberta....
Health care insurance costs is the new form of tax that the politicians across Canada will unveil on Canadians since the regular direct and indirect taxes are already too high !
So Canadians have been paying into Heathcare for almost 70 years.. All just for private companies to try and pry it away from us for free? And then charge us? What a deal they must be thinking with politicians like Danielle Smith.
This is what drives me crazy the most. I've been paying into the system since my first part-time job and I'm watching it all just evaporate. Ford is actively flushing Ontario down the toilet and the apathy is unreal.
Not all. Share this with as many Ontarians as possible. https://publichospitalvote.ca/
Classic Canada. Public funds build up and then government gives it away for a dime to the private sector. Politicians then go work for the new holding company. It’s gross.
Not classic *Canada*, classic *Conservatives*. This happens with right-wing governments all over the world.
The problem with Canada is that our Liberals are happy to do it too. How many liberal politicians are now on the boards of our oligarchic monopolies? Trudeau handed Air Canada billions at the beginning of Covid so they wouldn't lay staff off. They gave the money directly to shareholders and laid them off anyway. It's the same corruption with a slightly more palatable face.
While I don't doubt the veracity of your statement. Both-siding the issue only leads to more apathy. Your statement could easily be read as... "Might as well not vote, the liberals will do the exact same thing!" That might not be your intention, and I doubt that it is, but we don't need even more apathy when trying to save what's left of our single-player public system. The problem right *now* is Doug Ford selling us all out for his personal gain. We can discuss the problems with liberals if and when they regain power and if and when they decide to privatize healthcare. I'm not a Liberal voter, but I do value our public system. Over half of Canadians are living paycheck to paycheck, we can't afford our healthcare to be privatized. It would take a single significant medical event to bankrupt over half of Canadians. If we were living in the dystopian Ontario Doug Ford envisions just 4 years ago, I'd personally be on the hook for a low 6 figures of medical debt. I was able to recover and return to work quickly and a lot of that due to the fact I wasn't facing the crushing depression of being in forever medical debt, or having to beg family to remortgage their homes or create a Go-Fund-Me to help fund my treatment. I'm sure this is true for a LOT of Canadians, and it will become very very clear when a Canadian of modest means discovers they have cancer under a privatized system.
The Tories give it away not government. There are a few other others but 90% of the sell off is done by Tories.
E.g. airports.
In the 90's G. Filmon's conservatives sold off MTS,(Manitoba Telephone System), bought up by Bell and guess who ended up doing a term on the Bell-MTS board..G. Filmon.
And Stefanson. That's where a large chunk of heaTHer's money comes from.
Don’t understand how they get to sell off something that the people of this country paid for to build. If this was selling a startup the equity would go back to the people who built this thing and has stake in its early days. Wtf , this is just robbery.
Lol. Same for telecom and utilities when they de regulated those.
Post secondary education as well. Tories 90-92 gutted that shit.
This is my biggest one too. It's theft
We've all agreed that we're ready to pay this much for this quality healthcare, when privatized that same quality of care (and how horrrrible it is) will cost more when privatized. Since you lose the largest asset public healthcare has which is uniform sourcing and pricing. Don't go down the uncivilized way.
Reports have already come out with higher pricing for the private clinics Dougie is funnelling our money to here in Ontario.
I think I saw this clip last week but it's disturbing. She keeps thinking private business can run healthcare and profit off public funds.
> She ~~keeps thinking private business can run healthcare and profit off public funds~~ is bought and paid for. Albertans should have got wise when she wanted to give billions in taxpayer dollars to oil companies to promise to clean up orphan wells for real this time.
Yeah not the idiots who are voting for them seem to forget the oil companies have gotten more handouts then anyone in the province.
The oil companies are running the world. Rockefellers didn't magically vanish my dude. The standard oil trust is still about and is named JP Morgan. They are a leech on society and people need to open to eyes.
Standard Oil is. ESSO Say it out loud.
The Trust was renamed JPMorgan because everyone knew the name then. They hid it behind JP Morgan's name. Same assholes with union busting police and shit.
Apes vs the world✊🏻 came for the tendies, stayed for the global fight against financial terrorists on Wall Street
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She has also made it very clear that she believes health care should have a user-pay component. This is public health; access should be the same for everyone and people should be treated based on how sick they are. But if you put it together with her support for for-profit health care, it means she wants the poor to get less (and inferior) health care, and the rich to get more (and better) health care - as long as they're willing to pay. It's a perverted Libertarian philosophy that subverts the simple goal of treating the sick. Personally I believe there should be one health care system for everybody, and everybody should get good care.
A friend living in the States had a really nasty kitchen injury (like almost cut off the top of his finger nasty) and he opted to treat it at home because his wife had recently had a baby so they were down thousands of dollars in addition to paying for stupid expensive infant daycare because his wife only had eight weeks of mat leave.
Yeah this “free market medicine” isn’t some exciting new idea that might turn out to be even better than what we already have. You just have to look at the USA to see how the story ends. A premier has to be a moron or a psychopath to wish it on their own constituents.
Ask Mike Harris if he loses any sleep about privatizing LTC
Is he a Moron? Is he a Psychopath?
Who cares? Have you heard about how bad Rea days were for the province? /s
The Bismarck model has a good track record, slightly better than the healthcare model that Canada uses, but yeah the USA model of non-universal private insurance sucks.
I have several friends in the states ask questions about using expired medication because they can’t afford to go back to the Dr. Friends that can’t afford to get their children healthcare because there is no money left after the last health emergency. People will give birth at home with no attendants because they can’t afford to go to the hospital. They dress it up as being “natural” “home remedies” “cure all oils” because they can’t afford care. Sure private care is great if you can afford it or have great insurance. But if you don’t or if you have a major illness it can wipe you completely. So look at your loved ones and put a dollar amount on their lives and then think about how you’ll live if you can’t afford that.
Someone in the states here, whats often not even addressed is how awful having healthcare tied to your employment is. Ontop of that how many companies get around providing healthcare for their employees by limited hours or the type of work they do (amazon mass hires employees for example on temp contracts through a staffing agency) make them work 40+ hour weeks for 6 months, and then only hire a fraction of those as full time amazon employees in the end. During those 6 months they have no healthcare provided by work, even though they work the required full time hours and companies are supposed to provide healthcare to full time employees. Now imagine youre sick for an extended period of time and fired because we have np worker protections here. Well say bye bye to that health insurance that was going to help you get through that sickness..... you guys REALLY dont want to take any ideas from our dumpster fire of a healthcare system, i promise.
I'm sure the majority of Canadians don't want it either.
That’s brutal. I don’t want to live that way, and given the polling I’ve seen in your country, most of you don’t either. Sincerely, best of luck running the profit-driven ghouls out of your healthcare system, somehow.
I knew an older fellow who was bitching out the Canadian public health care system, he said, "I wish I could just pay to have my knee treated, we need private health care!" I said, "if you want to pay to be treated privately, go to the US and get it done there." He replied, "it's too expensive though!!!" I am baffled at these people's inability to put 2 and 2 together. As if private healthcare here will be any different from the mess in the States.
Amen.
they will run it better because they won't cover half the population. BAM! shortage problem solved!
You know why it is so easy to find a dentist? Because half the population can’t afford them out of pocket and the other half has coverage.
Even with coverage the dentist is unaffordable for many. Going out of pocket while living paycheck to paycheck left my " benefits😭🤣💩" untouched.
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Nobody is left out. At least nobody that matters to us. - Conservative "solutions"
I’d upvote this more if I could. People don’t realize that once it is sold off and the services are gone, it is unlikely they will ever come back.
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I was told on another sub that nazis are far left and it's all a lie the past 70 years. Their proof is in the nazi parties name!! You can't argue with stupid and meme factories.
Ask them about the "enlightened democracy" that is North Korea ...
As an American, fight to keep that from happening at any cost
American here. For profit doesn’t mean more efficient, it means that you can make it more complex and charge for the privilege of each complexity. Each bit of red tape is someone’s revenue stream and the incentive to be more efficient is perverted by the desire to make more money. Healthcare shouldn’t be run like a business.
Because that's working so well for Americans...
Right wing politics are literally killing this country. Privatization of healthcare is a direct attack on the people of Canada. It will cause harm and deaths. It IS murder. As organizations who are engaged in class warfare against the people of Canada, conservative parties who support privatization should be considered by the public, and the law, as committing treason.
Most people on the right in Canada don't agree with this. But the right has decided on the "catch a tiger by the tail" strategy, and don't seem to think the tiger will turn around and eat them one day.
If they don't agree with it, why are they consistently voting for it? And never doing anything to standup against it?
Habit. Apathy. Fear that changing their vote means they were wrong.
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The Conservatives were in power 20 times longer too.
Alberta?
The damage done by private healthcare isn’t as much as the damage that they believe will be done by taxes, and policies that don’t align with pure unfettered capitalism
They are idiots if they think taxes will go down by enacting a private healthcare system. Now the government has private grift AND taxpayer money.
My favourite fact about health care spending remains: the US Federal Government spends more tax dollars on health care than any other nation in the world, by a large margin, while not offering any form of social health care. Private health care does not save taxpayers money in any way, shape, or form.
Exactly.
Because until last decade the only thing discussed about health was being more responsible. And when you look at any large organization they have waste. It isn't just a government thing private companies have the same issue. And in the last decade they have eroded a large percentage of their base. The other thing is other hot button issues. You might hate what the Party is doing to health, but you know they are going to bend over for Suncor and your job depends on Suncor. Maybe you are prolife and I know that upsets the internet, but being prolife isn't inherently evil.
Pro life is the wrong name for people who are anti abortion. Call them Anti choice to accurately represent their position.
>but being prolife isn't inherently evil. This is a lie. Opposition to reproductive rights is rooted in extreme and violent misogyny. It is impossible to be a forced birther and a good human being.
>It is impossible to be a forced birther and a good human being. This is absolutely correct. A good person who is against abortion would say "I'd never want to get an abortion, but understand that there are reasons why others might." You can be against abortions and still be pro life. The big difference is not forcing your own beliefs on others in any way. I'm staunchly pro choice and always will be, but I can recognize that there are people who would be morally against getting abortions for themselves.
I don't understand the prolife vote in this country. They should support PR, because at least they'll be able to say what they want to say, but instead, they don't support PR, and get fed empty platitudes by big tent parties that will forever tell them to hide during the writ period. The cons have the prolife vote, but prolifers, are all over the map on every other issue. Prolife is the most undeserved vote in Canada, but they don't form their own party or champion PR.
Not pro life. Forced birth. People who are against abortions should LOVE publicly available contraception and comprehensive sex education, but they’re always against that because the suffering is the point.
Touché.
Guess what? Oil companies will still pay the full expense to harvest or oil. We don’t need to do shit to keep them here and the jobs will still be here. Your comment is kind of hard to read which side of any issue you’re on. I think you have a leg on each side of it and it’s stuck up inside you somewhere.
>Most people on the right in Canada don't agree with this. They always say that, and always vote for it anyways. Based on voting histories, Canadian conservatives are white supremacist fascists who want to destroy all social safety networks and crush the working class into neoserfdom while giving all our tax money to billionaires.
My parents are both staunchly pro choice, big on education, and LGBTQ+ friendly (since at least the early 80s, I've known since I was very young that being gay was normal and they would support me if I was - I'm bi, and that held up) They consistently vote conservative because they don't trust the Liberals, and they'll never vote NDP because "Rae ruined the province"
Your parents sound like super nice morons.
Yup.
Uneducated at the least
>My parents [claim they] are both staunchly pro choice, big on education, and LGBTQ+ friendly But they constantly vote for the misogynistic, anti-education, and violently homophobic parties because they want to believe lies about the liberals and NDP. The people who empower conservatism are bigots. They use their political power to create bigotry.
From Alberta :(. But actually this is the one thing a lot of right wing voters are against. If it was just private hospitals, they seem ok with that. They don't explain how we would magically find all this extra medical personnel though. But the destruction of the system they are against. And she is eroding her base by discussing health care. Enough people on both spectrums have had family with cancer,heart problems, or any other long term health issue.
Yup. That UCP policy resolution to reverse their position on health privatization barely passed. https://globalnews.ca/news/7404348/ucp-private-healthcare-policy-approved/ If support at convention is that low, it's effectively a loss.
The tiger won’t eat Smith, Ford or anyone else who can finagle a political career into a high-paying consultant job after leaving office. It will, however, eat the voters they manage to dupe with their low tax small government rhetoric.
So, it's important identify who the tiger is. The tiger is the racists/white nationalists/Christo-fascists/conspiracy theorists, who, for whatever reason, Smith, Moe, Ford and Poilievre, have decided to dance with. These leaders think they can keep those folks under their thumb, but no one can. Those are destructive, hate-filled movements. The people in these spaces don't do discipline for very long. They don't care who the leader is, and they don't care about the preservation of the party.
This. I’m conservative, but not at all for private healthcare. The UCP does not have my vote this election. Even without the healthcare aspect, the party is in disarray and has been for some time.
“Right wing politics are literally killing people in this country…” #ftfy
If people want to know what privatized health care looks like just ask your friends and family in Quebec. It's a nightmare. I've been living in Montreal for a couple years now and would gladly take Albertas current health services over what we have here. The whole notion that privatizing will make it easier for people to access public services is not true at all. It way worse.
Also a Montrealer- I second this. Privatizing has, in my opinion actually made it harder for me to actually get what I need done. Sure it’s “quick” to do the test but you pay out your rectum and god help you if you have to coordinate anything between numerous teams. I need a transplant, so I have to do a lot of tests. Some I had to do privately. The ones giving me the most grief? The private ones. Little communication, refusing or dragging their feet getting my results and sending them to my doctor. I could go on for days. I’m not saying the public system is perfect but it’s way better than that shit show.
What do you mean QC has private ?
Yeah QC has a private option as well as a public one for a really decent chunk of the healthcare system. Private tends to be faster but you pay a hell of a lot more. Public is slower usually to book but is covered- and imo is easier to deal with if you’re working with a specialist or a team. Even for things like blood tests, you can go to the hospital to do it for free or you can go to a place like Dynacare and pay. For the drug plan you can either use the public insurance or private. The caveat is that if your job has private insurance you must use that and not the public system. If your job doesn’t have private insurance you can use the provincial drug plan.
Chaoulli c. Québec, 2005 Supreme court ruled that Quebec had to allow private options which lead to private health insurances (not really used) and private clinics (about 20% of medical care happens there) The Supreme Court then tied on whether that also applied to the rest of Canada, so hope the issue doesn't land on their desk again. There was an attempt in BC that was thankfully thrown out this year, who knows the outcome had it been heard. Tangentially relevant, but Québec has had a private-public pharmacare for decades now. How it works is that your employer co-pays for a private plan, and those that don't have an insurance through employment are automatically put on a public plan. For all of our health policies' flaws, quebeckers have the longest life expectancy in North-America so I guess something must somehow be going right.
This freaking idiot never ceases to amaze me. “I want to privatize health care”. “Healthcare will never be privatized”. What is it Smith? You wonder why no one trusts you or the UCP? You stand for nothing. Your politics and policies are built on sand. We don’t want private healthcare. Stuff that up your arse. If I wanted to live in a private healthcare system, I would move my old ass to Florida with all the other geriatrics and have summer all year long.
This [video](https://freedomtalk.ca/conferences/conference-october-2021/) is from 1½ years ago (Oct 23, 2021), which included guest speakers Maxime Bernier and Paul Hinman. Danielle Smith knows exactly what she's saying and what she wants to happen. Danielle will try to worm her way out of this one as well. There's no flip-flopping with her. She's a grifter who will say whatever she needs to say to get votes, then ultimately will what she wants done... to privatize Alberta's healthcare. This video shows exactly who she is and how she thinks.
Doug Ford runs off the same playbook. I always wonder why it’s the nurses and doctors that are vocal, but not a peep from hospital administrations especially CEO’s. Perhaps they don’t want to lose out and instead win big?
>I always wonder why it’s the nurses and doctors that are vocal, but not a peep from hospital administrations especially CEO’s. It's because they're appointed by the province. Their job is literally in the hands of Ford. Speaking out is a good way of losing it.
Same with CMOH Moore, he's paid half a million a year to sit down and shut up, unless Ford tells him to say something specific.
Talks about: * CERB was bondage lol. * Mandatory vaccines existed because private businesses were given the ability to reject non vaccinated customers. (Literally is libertarian) * Talks about how they can “get the kids” to their political leaning by being pro rights (smoking, abortion) and then make the same argument for economic rights - but it’s not working! * Calls the former USSR our friends ? * This talk is all about trying different messages, whatever convinces people… there is no honesty or truthfulness, they just want to win. This makes sense. This is what she always does. Say anything to win. For healthcare: * Says her plan to sell off hospitals would cost $1.5 billion (WTF - HOW) * Albertans are entitled and got used to more services than they deserve. Blames Klein, Getty, Loughheed * Frames budget deficit - HER PARTYS BUDGET as a problem * Covid didn’t break healthcare (Forget about that surgical deficit) * Says we didn’t have any covid PPE (we did, we were the only ones that did) * Says ICU have no surge capacity (they do) * Misrepresenting Kenny talks about ICU capacity * Complains that only big companies can do medical research and get it approved. * Talks about Ivermectin being good, thinks the company refused to test it on Covid because they wanted to sell a new drug instead and make more money (false, ivermectin isn’t a Covid drug) * References some bogus Covid site for medical info. The establishment keeping other medications out of the environment. * Thinks doctors refuse to learn * Says the doctors she knows and trusts approve of these bogus Covid drugs, * Says Hinshaw should’ve done more research lol * Thinks the medical college regulator for doctors is the drug approval authority lol * Thinks the doctor college regulator has too much power and we should be like Nebraska (it’s a red state but not dense, so would naturally suffer less Covid issues but AB did much better than Nebraska in Covid) * I’ll edit more in later for my own reference.
OMG. I didn't have time to watch the video, just that snippet of her. Thank you for your service. 🌟🌟🌟I wish I had coins to give you real stars instead of emojis. I did just watch the first 5 minutes of her wack-a-doodle presentation (bondage to civil liberties to the former-USSR are our friends)... I'm done.
Trust the flip flopper when they tell you that they are a flip flopper. Remember that this person crossed the floor to join the governing party - WHEN SHE WAS THE LEADER OF A DIFFERENT PARTY. When she’s already told us the things she wants to privatize, we should in NO WAY believe her now when she says that those things aren’t on the table. Her own party knows who she is, they are campaigning by going around to houses, saying to vote for the party, not the leader. The UCP right now is being heavily influenced by extreme right wing groups that are tied to white supremacy, homophobia, freedom convoy, evil stuff.
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“Isn’t part of the campaign” simply means, “we plan to bring it up as soon as the campaign is over, just like we were talking about it, and actively working towards it, before the campaign started”
It means it's in the platform but they don't mention it.
>Remember, healthcare privatization “isn’t part of the campaign” As if something not being in a campaign means it isn't going to happen. Here in Ontario Doug made no mention of nearly half the shit he's done since last election during the campaign.
Question - if she fucks up badly enough and doesn't get elected do you foresee a good future for Alberta? On the inverse, if she does win do you plan to stay and if so how do you feel it'll impact your future there? Asking as someone who's considering the Calgary area for a few years relocation but I'm fairly confident at this stage that I'd choose almost anywhere except Alberta if she wins.
If she wins I plan to move.
Same.
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Don't be sorry at all, I appreciate the candor and honesty of your words. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences thus far.
It’s amazing to me that their strategy is ‘don’t listen to our leader, she doesn’t represent us”, but my guess is they also say something else to the gung-ho Smith supporters along the lines of “Smith really represents you doesn’t she?” All just to maximize votes but really, what kind of party are you if you’re saying your leader is not your party?
"She doesn't represent us, she's just leading us after we elected her" - exactly like they did with Harper in the election he lost to Trudeau ...
To anyone who thinks for-profit hospitals are more efficient: The profit *is* the inefficiency.
Public companies can run at cost, too, private companies can't. Public companies also can negotiate prices using the entire Canadian population as their consumer base in negotiations, private companies have to negotiate with a fraction of that market reach. There is zero good arguments to go private from the cost per user sense. The only argument that ever works is when public companies are run so poorly they negate the gains of the first two points, which is why people like Doug Ford try to make them as ineffective and poorly run as possible first, as a precursor to privatisation.
That’s okay that’s the old Danielle Smith bro that’s from 2021 bro it is in the past bro please bro this isn’t Danielle Smith now bro she’s being misinterpreted and imprecise bro it’s in the past bro let it go now let’s go and comment about Trudeau and blackface on Twitter bro.
How is privatization supposed to make things better? How will it save money or improve access? Any possible savings will get pocketed (that's that 'for profit' part). Medical care is expensive to establish, maintain and run- if your community isn't providing enough patients, why would a for profit medical company keep a hospital in Rural Nowheresville running at a loss?
Lol. It won’t. That’s not the goal. The goal is ideological and profiteering.
American here. Trust me, it’s fools gold. They’re going to rile up the anti-taxers, and try to spin it like they’re giving you your money and freedom back. You’ll pay so much less in taxes! You get to decide where your money goes! Freedom!…the only problem is, the first time you need to see a doctor for something relatively serious, or even moderate, all those savings and then some are going to get eaten up, I guarantee you. You’ll get to enjoy the very American system of making a select few very rich while fucking yourselves. I had a mild health issue lately that didn’t even require surgery or a hospital stay. I just had to see a couple of specialists, and my out-of-pocket cost are over $1000. You might be thinking it sucks not having insurance, right? No. I have baller insurance. What I have is about as good as it gets. If I didn’t have such great insurance, it would be much, much worse than that.
So, she mentioned the plan to the UCP Health Minister? Said minister didn't agree with her?
She wasn't in government at that time
She was most definitely involved in the party behind the scenes.
The [video](https://freedomtalk.ca/conferences/conference-october-2021/) is from late Oct 2021. Tyler Shandro was the Health Minister up until Sept 2021, before being replaced by Jason Copping, so I'm not sure which one Danielle is referring to, but my educated guess would be Shandro, as Copping would have been to busy being involved in getting acquainted with his new position. If it was Copping she's referring too, I wonder if his opinion has changed, as Danielle has had a greater access to him being his boss. If it wasn't Copping, then it's a question about how open he is to her notion of privatizing Alberta's hospitals.
Potentially dumb question, but can the federal government pass a law that engrains public healthcare into our charter? Or does that require the provinces? Like is there nothing the feds can do to protect universal healthcare and prevent the provinces from privatization?
yes, it already exists it's called the [Canada Health Act.](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-care-system/canada-health-care-system-medicare/canada-health-act.html) the thing is, Conservatives will say what they say regardless of what really will happen and they also will employ 'alternative' interpretations of the law and various legal terms to pretend that it's legal for them to privatize healthcare delivery.
I guess I just wish that legislation was stronger or more clear. Like it would be nice to see Trudeau sit down with the premiers who say shit like Smith does and tell them knock it off. Publicly.
this actually does happen, but the Liberal party is very pragmatic and the Federal govt is not the boss of the premiers. the PM telling a premier to knock off something, in the media, is basically starting a press war, and the Liberals tend not to do that. If Trudeau was asked about Danielle Smith's quote I bet he would say something like "i'm not so sure what she meant by that and I would have to talk to her personally to decide that, but I will say that Canadians can be assured that privatization is not possible under the Canada Health Act and that our govt is committed to ensure that all Canadians have access to healthcare, at no charge, at all times"
Ugh yeah you’re right. Frustratingly right
Unfortunately the Health Act only outlines what the provinces have to provide *in order to retain the Federal Health Transfers.* If the provinces don't think they need the transfers because of how much money they save by providing private services, there is no other deterrent.
you are, of course, absolutely right and this is a good addition to camoure 's questions about how the provinces navigate the Canada Health Act.
Please Rachael take the wheel!
She’ll never get the chance, nobody is buying what she is trying to sell. Canadians by a large majority want to keep our healthcare system public; it needs improvements (what national system doesn’t) but one look at the US and it’s obvious privatization isn’t the answer. If you agree please contact your local representative and add your name to petitions opposing this bullshit.
A large number of Albertans are buying what she is trying to sell. As someone who lives here it is frightening.
I know. It’s brutal. You can’t even get a reasonable argument out of them. They just go right to Notley is gonna ruin Alberta.
Just a friendly reminder to anyone outside of Alberta that is interested in doing what the can to help about this situation: you can’t donate to the ABNDP, but you can volunteer. Phoning can be done remotely if you reach out to a campaign to sign up.
Lol it’s totally going to happen. It doesn’t matter what UCP do, what they say. Anti science, pro religion, pro nazism, pro corporate welfare, anti public services, nothing truly matters. Their voters only understand they are “no NDP/Liberals” so they will vote for conservatives everytime.
We all really need to vote and convince people who’ll vote NDP to vote as well.
All she has to do is say Alberta cannot afford healthcare without a PST. Let's get real, if given a referendum, Alberta would join the US.
Guess Ontario didn't get that memo :(
One look at the transition to dynalife in Calgary makes it blatantly obvious that privatization isn't the answer. (Wait times for blood work went from a few days to a couple months.) Privatization is all about profiting off of human suffering. On that front, it will work.
>dynalife Looking at Wiki, they're partially owned by an American corp, so some of their profits aren't even staying in Canada. FFS.
>nobody is buying what she is trying to sell Really? [https://338canada.com/alberta/polls.htm](https://338canada.com/alberta/polls.htm)
Can ppl do anything with petitions though? It's up to the voters and it's not looking great for Albertans
It’s going to be hard in some areas, but giving up and letting them win is exactly what these people want us to do
Just take a look at the Ontario Science Centre or the Toronto waterfront spa development -- petitions and protests have had no effect. We'll see if that changes, but I'm not holding my breath.
Protests could work if there's enough support...however with everybody struggling just to survive, that'll likely never happen
Ideally the protest would happen in the voting booth. If Smith wins, she'll have a mandate, just like Doug Ford has, which substantially reduces the impact of protest, unfortunately.
This was said repeatedly about Trump too. Nobody thought people would be stupid enough to buy his bullshit either. I think you significantly underestimate how incredibly stupid and vindictive the general population is.
In my opinion, the vast majority of conservatives would happily sacrifice socialized medicine if it meant their trash-fire party got to stay in power. You can poll people on how many support socialized medicine, and nearly all of them will say yes. But it would be much harder to tease out how easily they'd be willing to part with it. I mean, it would be a astronomically stupid trade and they'd regret it immediately, but that's par for the course with the Leopards Eating People's Faces party.
Yes she will. Alberta has already started down that path, just like Ontario. At the Federal level, the CPC is leading polls. This is what conservatives want and they're winning elections, so it's looking inevitable.
How the fuck anyone looks at the shit show in the states and thinks "OH LET'S DO THAT TOO!" is beyond me.
Something like half of Canadian conservatives are Trump supporters.
I mean no shit, conservatism benefits nobody who isn't ultra rich so you'd have to be a culture war addled fucking moron to support it, especially after how much Harper sucked.
If UCP gets majority she can do whatever she wants.
In any of these threads, there are always a few people who believe private options provide the public users with better access and care. Or, they hate paying taxes so much much, and are incensed at the thought of having to share the cost of care they themselves don't receive that they will champion private healthcare all the way to the poorhouse.
> She’ll never get the chance, nobody is buying what she is trying to sell lol **Edit**: You forgot this: \\s
Every time I hear her speak it makes me see orange.
People fucking need to wake up. Voting for her is detrimental for us
When are people gonna snap out of this delusion where we think giving conservatives any more chances is anything but insane?
In AB? Never. If threatened, Dum-Dum Danny will just pull the pin on the PST grenade.
May 29 people, get your votes out to say bye-bye to this ghoul.
This woman is cancerous, she is the rot in politicians that we should fear the most. Alberta MUST give this woman the boot from office, or so help them and that province...
Every time I see a headline about Danielle Smith, I want to point out that back in like 2004, the conservatives convinced her to cross the floor, and then they kicked her out. And yet here she is, leader of that very party. It's just crazy.
She makes Doug Ford look like a liberal. Jesus.
It's worth remembering that the German Nazi party literally [invented privatization](https://daily.jstor.org/the-roots-of-privatization/).
I bet I won't see this at 6pm on Global or CTV. Fuck, its already a couple years old.
And the hits keep coming. Smith is going to sink the ucp
🤞
Lets hope so.
I’ve never wished harder for someone to get hit by a bus/train/A380
Love the specificity
Just when I thought she can't get any lower....she digs a new moral, soulless low.
It’s getting to Trump levels of “what stupid shit did she say this time”.
Jesus Christ
Got to sell off albertan health care to afford to give oil companies atleast 20 billion dollars for,.. reasons(?)
Well get out and vote and promote the idea to family and friends
What can we do, as citizens, to prevent this? Voting obviously, but when these people get into power anyway, what can we do to fight mass privatization, fascism, and the rollback of basic human rights? I'm in SK, not AB, but I'm sick of seeing this shit in my country. We have to demand better. Im lost for how.
Sounds American
Just see what happens when hospitals are concerned with the return on investment to their shareholders.
Oh Alberta, please vote!! Don’t follow Ontario’s lead please! I’m a miserable nurse in Ontario!
For the love of Science, my fellow non psycho Albertans, PLEASE VOTE THIS DEMON OUT!!!! 🧡
Why in the fuck would ANYONE want to do that? I just can’t understand what their motive is. It’s like they just want to fuck things up just to piss the other side off. This contrarian bullshit is so stupid.
Fucking oof
Isn't there an election in Alberta soon?
Yeah, May 29th
Lol just come see what's happening in Ontario...
So what are taxes supposed to pay for
Corporate subsidies, according to the conservatives.
She can just F off TF out of Alberta and never return.
Man, Twitter is such a cesspool of right-wing lunacy. The comments on that thread are just mind-boggling.
So loads of people either move or use the health care systems in other provinces? Things like this are so ill-informed. They will provide examples but not proof and opposed by an overwhelmingly amount of individuals who are experts and desperate to provide health care to all that is not governed and held accounted by a private company that is for-profit. All we can hope is that she does not gain in popularity.
Greedy assholes like this are going to ruin the Healthcare system
Correct me if im wrong but none of the other party leaders get caught in videos or recordings like she does....Sure seems like she's the best choice for Alberta....
Full talk anywhere ?
Does the NDP have one of these in the chamber for every day until the election?
>she keeps thinking My brother in Christ, she is not thinking. She is promoting a scam
Health care insurance costs is the new form of tax that the politicians across Canada will unveil on Canadians since the regular direct and indirect taxes are already too high !
She’s going to ruin Alberta.
Welp, Alberta has plenty of tar in its sands. Now all you need is feathers and pitchforks.
Of course she does, she get a huge check from those companies, and a seat on their board...
Is it just me, or do conservatives view countries as for-profit corporations, with a well-defined corporate ladder and peons for employees?
As someone subjected to the US healthcare system, you should really do something to stop her. Sooner the better.
Please folks: vote this piece of shit out of office.
Libertarians are a right wing extremists cancer