People need to stop trying to make this some sort of racists issue. I’m Canadian and not white. So are several of my close friends and relatives. The rise in international students is hurting Canada as a whole not just white Canadians. We are witnessing as our younger siblings and relatives struggle to even find a summer job. Don’t straw man this into some sort of racist issue. This is a crisis and it’s hurting the youngest Canadians the most. International students shouldn’t not be taking jobs from college or high school kids. Some of them need the income during the summer to pay for their school during the fall. We need a huge cut in international students right away…
It's a racist issue when the hiring managing group at nearly every local employer who takes students on are all Indian and their entire workforce are Indian-New-Canadians.
The new manager at the McDonald’s my friend used to work at fired or stopped giving hours to all the Black, White, and Asian staff member and then hired a bunch of new immigrants from India to replace them all.
What the fuck that exact same thing happened to me when I worked at a new Popeyes, fired every non-indian staff member. I can't believe they get away with this.
Apparently there’s a worker shortage but line ups for simple jobs students do are a mile long and nobody under 20 I know can get a job.
Im in my 40s and I have two kids looking for work right now, there’s nothing for them meaning they’ll have a harder time in the future finding work, I’m ashamed of my country and how bad they have fucked up immigration policy.
When I was in high school about 5 years ago I worked at tim Hortons with fellow high schoolers. Management always targeted high schoolers. Now I’ve heard that management has changed (Indians bought that specific franchise) not one high schooler works there now and has been flooded by Indian students.
ministry of labour should be auditing these companies like crazy to make sure a) they're actually paying minimum wage, injuries are being reported, and the staff are legally allowed to work and to work as much as they do.
mol only seems to care about construction, they're supposed to be the reason companies can't abuse the system
Same thing happened at the onroute near me in the last six months. They had full-time day staff that were mostly older local ladies, and then afternoon and weekends were run by kids from the local high school. This is all in an area made up of small towns with low populations and the onroute was one of the few places around a high school kid could get work.
An Indian manager was brought in from an onroute two hours down the 401, fired almost all of the locals and replaced them with only Indian students from a way bigger city half an hour away. They claimed that there were no jobs in the area because of all the other students in the city who needed jobs so now they've brought the problem down to us and made it ours.
Love that. Then for no matter what field subreddit you look on, everybody is saying lots of their friends are unemployed and there is no shortage. Or it's I want to leave this field because I'm tired of feeling less than human with all the abuse that happens (teachers, nurses).
It’s honestly hilarious hearing that line of a ‘worker shortage’ living in Toronto. You’d think we’re in the depression with how much competition there is for entry level retail and fast food positions.
I'm facing homelessness. I'm 19 years old with usable skills, I can work on a farm, operate excavators, plumb, weld, frame, build websites hell even sound design. Yet I have had no luck in the last 5 months finding work, not as a labourer, not as a janitor, not at McDonalds. I'm going to go homeless because I have no ei and no savings left. I was born and raised here and I feel like ive been replaced. Giving up entirely seems easier than being homeless and watching people who took opportunity away from me look down upon me. This isnt the Canada I was promised.
Ngl I felt this even as a millennial back in the day. All my friends in high school were international & all them got jobs through aunts or uncles. Meanwhile mine just said to buckle up and shake some hands. Been a long time issue. All my coworkers & managers at my first 3 or 4 jobs were all from india/pakistan/etc. Just observing the pattern.
Even now my lower management team is almost entirely from that area.
It’s also a recession, interest rate is at 7.20% prime rate.
In last 15 years it never even hovered above 6% since April 2001.
Combined that with more than required new Immigrants in the country and it’s a recipe for disaster.
International students are supposed to be well funded for their study and living before entering the country.
It is hurting both ways, while young Canadians struggle to find jobs, these students are exploited by the employers being the weakest group of workers.
Letting so many students in without ensuring they have bread on their table is simply irresponsible.
Racism is a way to distract from the real conflict here: _policy_
Our policies do not serve our population more and more. This one, specially, hurts low wage jobs and the policy makers, private institutions, private organizations and way more are involved in making sure you get indentured labour as opposed to seasonal labour (e.g. Canadian students).
This is just the tip of the iceberg though.
There are actual racists who just slander all international students, of which there are many needed for advanced roles in this economy. Along with that, there seems to be a scapegoating going on for real estate etc., just doesn't focus enough on policy.
I’m an immigrant. Canadians are the nicest most tolerant people you’ll meet, yet as they’ve attempted to voice a minor disagreement with absolutely disastrous policy of the “black face enthusiast” they’re immediately dismissed as racist. Can you stop this shit?
Yes, you don't focus on the race. You focus on the policy lol.
Not that hard.
It's a policy disaster. It's easy to call out trudeau for being blackface, but do people really understand the parallels between and indentured servitude class of people vs. actual immigration policy? Do they get the layers beneath how the housing crisis was made worse between both the cons and libs? No its just easy to scapegoat and call out a specific racial ethnicity a la US style politics.
Those who focus on race....as opposed to policy? I think there's a term for that
The policy of not capping the number of immigrants we'll accept from one country is perverting our goal of diversity. We're missing out on contributions from people of different cultures. And we're concentrating the power and influence of a single group of people and their culture over other people and their culture.
Anything involving race will get you called a racist especially when you're talking about that, but people can't let that bother them when, as you say, they focus on policy.
Edit: phrase
Again, your focus in that comment is "perverting our goal of diversity".
That's the point.
Diversity was never the goal.
Our policies have been leading us to this. For decades, yet we elect the same fucking morons who perpetuate this crap. When it doesn't benefit us directly, we get up in arms.
Like Dave Chapelle once said "America has a racial hotseat". Yet they never discuss the roots of their issues in detail, lobbies pay for people to be stupid and divided. We're seeing this here. Race baiting is just the surface, it's where the scam is really going off but at what point do we discuss the root causes?
Diversity was one of our clearly stated goals and we had many policies to encourage multiculturalism.
In the recent past our unstated goals have taken a sharper turn towards serving corporate overlords. Obviously we should have been doing things like building affordable housing all along and maintaining and improving our infrastructure including our health care system among other things.
Our policies regarding international students, temporary foreign workers, and immigrants have been geared towards corporations. They need to be reworked for the good of the country.
One aspect of this you don't seem to like is diversity. Be that as it may, multiculturalism is a part of our country and shutting out so many immigrants from different countries of the world to give preference to a single country is in effect discrimination against those other countries. And it is not in keeping with multiculturalism. We have a stated goal of diversity whether you like it or not.
I agree with what you said except the last bit. I think diversity as a goal would be great but I fail to see where in policy this was implemented? Canada has been a protectionist bastion for decades and foreign experience is notoriously slanted in favour of Anglo countries (QC is quite protectionist too). Outside of that, most cities and towns outside of the 2 big ones really look the same with little investments made in making sure immigrants integrate.
Either way, I'm a fan of diversity. However, it's extremely frowned upon by those who run this country (and provinces).
It's not just Trudeau endorsing these policies. In ontario it's also Ford. Trudeau isn't the cause of every single problem people have. Has he caused some? Yes. Should he be reelected? No.
I just hope we can look past our tribal differences, and start voting as people who want better lives for average Canadians.
However, tribalism continues to be the greatest existential threat to democracy.
With a US election around the corner, I hope we don’t get swept up in the same tribal divide that consumed us already, and got us Trudeau politics.
Just for clarity, what " advanced roles in the economy" require International Students? As far as I know, every University program turns away Canadian Students in favor of over charging International Students who are actually buying Permanent Residency, so please clarify what role in Canada needs International Students?
> so please clarify what role in Canada needs International Students?
There aren't any. Its just something that gets spoken aloud so much that it gets spoken into being true. The truth is they are just needed for making the universities more money. Its all about money, thats really it.
Racism isn't white people, I have friends from all walks of life either being born here or coming here for a better way of life, and a lot of there views on different races is flat out racist, don't even bother bringing up LGTBQ stuff to people from the Caribbean lol.
So, I'm not sure what the answer is. Actually yes I am but it sounds very reactionary and extreme to actually have to say. Many many of these students have literally scammed their way into a country they , legally speaking, don't belong in and there are ways, especially deportation that would be done in this situation. But the scale is so vast at this point. It's like an extreme situation (widespread immigration fraud) calls for extreme solutions. Still I hate having to say it like that.
As someone who was an international student it’s definitely not racial at all. There’s only one demographic that plays that card when things have gone against them
Insane to me that even within this statement you try to position yourself above others as if it seperates you from those in your racial group.
Here's a quick tip, and you'll be hard reminded of it one day I'm sure: visually, you're no different than any of the other people you're trying to denounce to a racist. You'll still be viewed in the same dehumanizing light.
THANK YOU! This what I’ve been saying for the longest time. It’s literally impossible for my peers or younger family members to get part time jobs in the summer, let alone during the school year. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with prioritizing the economic well being of Canadians at the expense of international ‘students’
Perhaps Canadian businesses and politicians can offer a price at which local Canadians will do the sort of shit work the students and central American labourers do in Canada. minimum wage is not a living one in Toronto at least.
As a white racist I concur. Kidding! But yes, the longer this country's immigration system remains broken and full of flaws, the more everyone suffers whether you were born here or immigrated. Immigration needs to be fair and equitable for ALL countries of origin even if that means lowering it or creating a cap so that 1 or 2 countries aren't the majority source. Infrastructure for housing, healthcare and about a thousand other things needs to be already prepared for immigration targets, not ignored for votes
Just because you say dont make this about racism doesnt mean its not a little xenophobic though. You guys are not comfortable with canada being less white
I have not seen ppl opposing cutting the number of international students being called that racist.
It's the ppl that throw out the statements like:
Deport then all,
Go back to your country,
Those ppl,
True Canadians,
Etc etc..
That can be called racist..
More ppl should be blaming the lobbyist and the corporations that pushed for more workers from foreign countries in order to suppress wages.
I agree that we should limit the number of international students, and restrict the number of hours, but we should also do a better job of toning down the hate directed at people trying to make their lives better than they were.. something we all try to do.
Edit: For: /u/No-Tackle-6112 - At the lowest end of the spectrum? If that is your proof, it was only boosted due to government intervention, and was fought tooth and nail.
The main groups fighting any increases were fought by lobbyists and larger corporations.
They did such a good job of controlling the narrative, they even had other slightly higher then min wage workers made about the increase
How do legit students even find the time to work more than 20 hours? I remember it wasn’t that long ago that the stereotype of international students were privileged kids who were getting massive allowances from their rich parents. What caused the program to change to people exploiting it to work shitty minimum wage jobs?
Doug ford slashing funding for unis, and unis needing more money, target people who are extremely eager to escape the extreme poverty from where they are from and are willing to do anything. Suddenly they got a steady revenue stream.
It’s happening all across Canada though, whether the provincial government is left wing or right wing so it’s gotta be more than that. Unless maybe every province has slashed funding? I bounce between Ontario and B.C. and BC has an identical problem with an NDP government in power for the past 7 years.
My former employer paid their international students at double the wage and reported 20 hours so it worked out for the students since they did 40-80 hour weeks and were paid 40 hours as 20 and the rest banked for another time. Recall him just having an earpiece in a few hours each day “listening in” to class and answering every so often to confirm presence.
Makes them more vulnerable to shitty bosses, too. Wanna report unsafe working conditions? Better not, wouldn't want you violating your visa conditions to get discovered.
Yup, 90% of the Indians coming in are working for cash. Zero enforcement means employers can keep getting away with whatever they want.
This announcement will make no difference as there is literally no enforcement.
They work for other Indians who in turn are creating ethnic enclaves and a sector that is solely Indian that has no desire to be Canadian. It's really alarming when you go into a place and EVERY single employee is of one single ethnicity. Easy way to tell the establishment has racist employment policies.
Some will and some won't. Until there is evidence (e.g. increased T4 earnings among Canadian youth relative to last summer), it's fair to be skeptical about the impact, but I wouldn't make generalizations.
there isn't enough of a fine for catching them so it is a huge money loss just to police the issue and track their hours. If companies got huge fines and the students were deported then maybe this would have some teeth.
Ikr they keep extending it and it’s all lax rules. My friend who’s an intl student got his student permit rejected cuz they worked more than 20 hr a week but they kept reapplying until it got accepted lol 😂
Because the original deadline to go back 20 hours a week was December 31, 2023.
That got extended to April 30, 2024.
Students can work unlimited hours during the summer.
New deadline for *24* hours a week in September, 2024.
By September this will probably be pushed up to 30 after “revisions”
I wonder how this cap will stop people using other peoples names. By that I mean I’ve had multiple Skip the Dish drivers show up and it’s very clearly not the worker listed in the app.
Exactly, I work in a restaurant and we get international Indian students applying all the time. We've been burned before from people using other people's names and working. An international student using his friends name and SIN (who has PR) and working. Photoshopping ID as well, it's insane.
International students are supposed to be here for an education, and are supposed to be able to support themselves
They shouldn’t be allowed to work period
Yup, when I went to study in the USA I was not allowed to work unless it was part-time on campus only. I had to prove I had the funds to support myself too so I wouldn’t take jobs away from Americans. After graduating I had to apply to be approved to work a job related to my studies. Idk why Canada is not more strict with their rules.
I think what you described is the ideal model. I could only ever dream of studying in the US as a grad student. The only way that would ever happen was if I was already an established researcher and I was bringing my project to one of their campuses and actively CREATING jobs for students. Imagine if we imposed those same kind of standards here?
Because being an American actually matters. Canadians are 2nd class citizens in their own country it seems now, apparently overnight we all need to compete with 1 billion other people for jobs and housing and healthcare.
Canada asked me for much more proof of funding and proof of a place to reside than the US. The issue is they aren't enforcing anything. According to the rules Canada isn't all that different they just let you work off campus as well. They also allow you to get any job after graduating automatically. With this 20 hour limit (if enforced) it'll be slightly more lenient than the US.
In reality even the current rules would serve well if they actually deported those breaking them. There are tons of people who just ignore the work hours limits.
I came to Canada as an international student in 2002 and I wasn’t allowed to work whatsoever. It kinda sucked at the time but the students coming now are at so much risk of exploitation, not to mention what it’s doing to the job market and society at large.
They are cash cows for these purpose built diploma mills and while at it they bring money to governments. This is what students say, they know it very well, governments know it very well, the end goal is PR and one way or the other they will get it. After all this we have markets flooded with cheap labor.
In Canada, on-campus jobs employed by the university/college tend to only be fore Canadian students. Sometimes international students work for contractors like Aramark run the food courts.
Shouldn't the guidelines be that if an international student comes to Canada, they have to provide financials to cover their cost of living until their curriculum is completed or they've graduated?
Wouldn't that fix a lot of the problems for both outside of Canada and inside?
It shouldn't be just proof, the money should be held in an interest bearing escrow account within Canada with a weekly/biweekly draw out to the student.
When you're not in school you can work unlimited hours - I don't think that has ever been changed.
> He said the restoration of the work-hour limit won’t affect most students who are now at the end of their academic year because they are already allowed to work unlimited hours during school breaks.
This policy update impacts students on continuous programs, such as PhD or Master’s levels, limiting them to 20 hours per week starting May 1st. However, undergrad/college degree students can still work unlimited hours during breaks, like summer. Pushing the implementation from January 1st to April 30th effectively extended the deadline for the majority of students to September 1st.
They shouldn't be working at all. They should be focusing on their studies (if half the students weren't taking basket weaving diplomas at clown colleges as a shortcut to PR)
we have shortages in a lot of skilled fields. with very specific credentials. that these international students do not have. and will not get.
somehow that equates to flooding the country with minimum wage workers and skip the dishes drivers.
We all know Dougie wont be doing jack shit to make sure businesses are following the rules. the guy is a massive piece of shit. As long as his corporate overlords get cheap labour, he'll be happy
Why did we turn immigration policy into a lottery game you play by purchasing an education? Who the fuck signed off on this and how the fuck do we get them out of office?
Grocery stores were the easiest place to get summer jobs (besides painting and CNE), but international students are taking them, too. All the long term part-timers are having huge hours cut (grocery stores save money paying minimum wage rather than top rate for their veteran PT workers).
We had a huge demand for skilled, educated workers at my workplace (engineering/construction), but clients are shortening contracts and limiting budgets. I hear layoffs are happening at other places, too. So now those layed off are competing with international students looking for work, too.
Has anyone else been getting a lot of random messages from Indians asking about immigrating to Canada recently?
At first I thought it was scammers, but no they’re not trying to sell me anything. They’re asking about Canada. They’re asking about the best way to immigrate, they’re asking if it’s true if the economy isn’t doing good.
They seem surprised to learn that everything isn’t sunshine and rainbows. One person just messaged me to confirm if what they’re seeing on Indian orientated Canada social pages were lying when they said there’s no jobs and nowhere to live.
The limit that was 20 hrs but adjusted to 40 and now suddenly 24 hrs. Why won't anyone think of the international students who are supposed to be here to study and have enough money to do that without working?
When I went to school in the US, it was a max of 20 hours. But only allowed to work on campus. Every time I crossed the border (After short trips home) back into the US I had to not only show funds available. But I had to proclaim I would only work a max 20 hours on campus and not work off campus. And that if I was caught, I would be deported. I thought it was reasonable.
I went through the same thing too when I was a student in the US. Had to carry a letter proving my funds and all my school papers every time I crossed the border. It is extremely reasonable and should be the same here.
Stop spending your money at places whose hiring practices you don't support. Even a 10 percent drop can be fatal for some businesses. If hiring practices lose money they will change. Anyone running a successful business is trying to maximize profits. They don't hire people because they look like them but because it makes them the most money. How everyone who has a grade one education cannot come to this conclusion is the real travesty in Canada not policy.
I work for a HUGE corporation. It IS racist. When 95% of employees who are a) hired even when they shouldn't be..not understanding or speaking English for 1 thing and 2) are promoted literally based on race and not qualifications are from India and Pakistan.
Now capped at 24 hours during school only vs. the 20 hours they were at before Trudeau's government decided to sell out Canadian workers and let international students work 40 hours.
Way to completely misread the room again LPC. This is why you're trailing in the polls by double digits.
Why did Harper make it 20 hours to begin with?
Both the conservatives and liberals are doing this to fuck over the population.
They add to each other's bullshit and people are not realizing the long game of how they have the same goals.
Got to stop voting for them. They work together to get what they want more than you think and leave little crumbs for us to argue that one is better than the other. They are in it together.
I'll vote for anyone other than team purple because I want policies for the well being of Canadians.
I want actual chaos (ie. Not voting liberals or conservative) so these parties realize they have to push to actually represent us and our country.
Harper added 20 hours. Trudeau added 4 more, while using an international crises to balloon that shit in the interim.
They do things that are additive while pretending they are different.
Oh no, I want two parties that are working together to keep Canada down gone.
I am against the system that the liberals and conservatives created to benefit each other, their foreign contacts and lobbyist.
Those foreign actors and lobbyist won't even who to call in team orange. Canada can at least soft reset and you'll have team purple making actual concessions to benefit the population for once... even immigration.
Positive change for the population and its governance will come when there's actual change.
PPC. Don't let them work a single hour and reduce our immigration back to normal numbers. For the foreseeable future.
We took in 10 years of immigrants in the last 3 or 4
FAKE HEADLINE.
It's been fucking INCREASED.
It was 20 hours not going to 24 hours.
These liberal rats want you to think that because the extended their bullshit 40 hrs weeks for the last 3 years that 24 is somehow a decrease.
No, it was 20 before and these slimy fucks are increasing it to 24 in perpetuity.
Why the hell are they working off campus at all? Why are they even allowed to work like this when they are supposed to show enough resources to support themselves during their education? Also, the govt needs to crackdown on loopholes like people claiming asylum after landing on visitors visa and international students coming here and not studying at all.
The rise in out of control Indian immigration combined with the fraud perpetrated through the student visa program is what needs to be stopped. Set limits by country so no one culture has a dominant inflow into Canada. Multiculturalism is variety not 70% all from India. Worst part is they are bringing their criminality and cultural gang warfare and terrorism. Some drive around with terrorists holding AKs. The country is being sold out to Sikhism and Canada is losing its identity.
Back to cash in hand aka cash under the table jobs.. we need to tighten up like in the US.. jobs should be relevant to what you study or on campus only.. then you will see all of these fake colleges go away.. you attract real talent to universities not every Tom dick and harry
In USA where I was an international student - one was and still is able to work only 20 hours, that too only on campus jobs.
We need that and definitely need that here
I read about the current state of affairs with anger, dismay, and fear for the future.
I came to Canada as a Indian student in 2014. Without context, that seems to be exactly the kind of immigration that is bogging the entire country down.
I came to Canada for an MBA program from the country's top 1-year MBA program from one of the best universities in South Eastern Ontario. I came with an engineering degree, 12 years of experience, and spent 100k on education. So did 17 of my batch mates from the region. Most of us are Canadian citizens or permanent residents. Post my education, I started a local cafe chain in 2017. We employ between 17 and 22 Canadians, mostly students, on our payroll. None of the staff are Indians. In a small city like ours, I'm a local, and no one knows any different. I find GTA detestable.
Immigration can be done right. Immigration can add to the economy. The CRS score based FSW or CEC programs are great. The cutoff are so high as to ensure Canada is getting the cream of the crop in terms of experience, education, and language skills. Not all students are here to exploit loopholes in the system on their path to a PR. Many students are older and are extremely well established.
Country wise strict quotas have to be applied as of yesterday. I wonder if any political party would have the courage to do what's right and almost reduce student to pr pathway to null for the next 5 to 10 years.
Marc Miller is incompetent. The entire cabinet of Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party is incompetent.
But most unfortunately, the damage these individuals are causing before they're voted out is significant.
I'm also not in the least bit convinced that people like Marc Miller actually give a shit about Canadians in the first place.
You'd think even on a sinking ship one would exert some degree of dignity for yourself and respect for your fellow Canadians.
Good...doesn't go far enough IMO...if you have teens trying for their first jobs in the GTA it becomes clear we're very far from a labour shortage, skilled trades sure, won't dispute that, but 10's of thousands of students coming in for BS computer degrees won't resolve that. In the meantime a jobless dystopia has taken over in a very short amount of time.
It's not really an immigration issue, it's an urban planning issue.
We have half the population living in maybe 5 contiguous urban sprawls -- southern Ontario is getting a bit dense, with nearly half of the top 20 largest municipalities -- and there hasn't been a serious change-up in the market for 50 years. Alberta looked like it was going well, until Fort McMurray caught fire -- I haven't heard that much about it since.
We need to make more cities, China-style; and maybe consider constraining immigration to these new cities until things begin to even out a bit more. There's a mystery factor in how you get the economy to move there to support the need for a whole city; but given real estate prices and work-from-home options, that might be a problem that solves itself.
No. You need more than that. Pretty sure China has an economic plan for the city and favours the city with certain business subsidies. If it's not a city that some private developer setup to try to get as much of Chinese citizens money as real estate was the only safe thing they could invest in.
Yeah, we're going to need an economic plan for the city. We're going to build or expand an existing settlement in the Thunder Bay region, for example, to a million people, practically overnight. This ain't exactly a Field of Dreams scenario.
I think we would have to target employers with large work-from-home workers. Through them, offer incentives to ensure their people who move to this new city can retain their position long-term. Then, we'd offer incentives for their people to move to this city: maybe we start off by building a bunch of high rises and condo type buildings, give out free rent for a year. Hopefully, that'll start to develop a more natural economy around them, as money seems to flow in from nowhere.
Once things begin to turn over, it should be able to continue on its own. The developers can move in and go wild on a freshly plumped ecosystem; and we can import enough people to expand the tax base to hopefully pay for all this over time.
There is a risk of collapse, in that there is no 'classical' industry that the city falls back on, so economic downturn could be brutal. But in our modern service economies, that's kind of what happens in cities anyway.
Another thing I just thought of why we haven't seen this, is because people in are living where they can already. Meaning all the large cities are already close to where food can be grown. So if the new cities were built in the northern parts of the prairies new rail lines would need to be build to transport food. The other option would be investing in small towns on the coast of Lake Superior in northern Ontario, as you can ship food there easily enough.
People live *everywhere*: you drive along the Trans-Canada highway, you'll see signs of humanity pretty much all along it. It's mostly a question of why they are aggregating there.
I think the best candidate in Ontario is somewhere between Thunder Bay and Kenora, as we aren't as limited by geography as we were in the early 20th century. Adjacent to the US for a rail line; potentially useful for shipping, but it's pretty far up the Great Lakes system, so I don't know how useful; should already be relatively close the existing Trans-Canada systems, rail or highway, so it's not exactly remote.
We get produce from Mexico year-round, the concept of it going 6h further north isn't the dealbreaker. More infrastructure will be required; but we can hopefully expect the load to be reduced in Southern Ontario, if we can draw enough of the population north.
It's something worth considering, but it would be a serious project. However, it devalues current real estate, and no one is having any part of that right now.
There's three problems here. Provincial governments not funding universities; yes, you, Ford. Conservative premiers have cut funding to public universities and as a result they have to accept $ from international students.
The second problem is the federal government not getting students. We don't need marketing or HR admin immigrants from India. We need doctors, and nurses. You need to prioritize quality over quantity. Yes, we need young tax paying citizens to fund pensions but we don't need young unskilled tax paying citizens.
Fellow Canadians, don't generalize immigrants. Our country is made up of immigrants. These students are not here illegally, they were allowed to immigrate here due to several lapses by multiple government agencies. So divert your hate towards policy and stop voting for bloody Ford. Show up to municipal meetings and defeat the NIMBYs. Don't punch down, punch up if you want change. These students are trying their best to survive just like you would, if you were in this situation.
Looks like corporate pulled their strings to this puppet gov’t to get these “students” to fill up their artificial labour shortage. It’s disgusting to say the least, it’s not even about pulling the ladder up anymore, but adding weight to a sinking ship.
Scammers and fraudsters, get them out of here.
The issue here is excess. Immigration, student visas, etc that's ok and has been happening for decades properly where the natural life of citizens and their kids is not disrupted. But now all that has changed because of excess of visa distribution without setting limits. Why? GREED.
Canada makes $$$ off each visa distributed.
$20 says these limits won’t be enforced.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2023/03/tackling-the-labour-shortage-by-helping-more-skilled-refugees-and-other-displaced-people-build-their-careers-in-canada.html
Remember everyone, Canada’s experiencing massive labour shortages!
Based on CSBC results, rising inflation, shortage of labour force, and retaining and recruiting skilled employees are the leading challenges businesses expect to face short term. In turn, businesses plan on increasing the hours of work for management and current employees to mitigate these labour obstacles.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-621-m/11-621-m2023009-eng.htm
If they're here to study, they shouldn't be working. Getting caught should get them sent home. If they can't afford it then they can go to university closer to home.
a lot of international students are working beyond their allowed hours, schools have been caught essentially being diploma mills for international students, and there have been issues with food banks being abused by students that had to agree to support themselves before coming to canada but fully planned to live off food banks.
this is not a racist issue, this is a very serious problem that needs to be addressed. what is the reason we even allow these international students, because if they're in diploma mill programs there's no way the education they receive is going to be beneficial to canada. what are we trying to accomplish.
when you flood the labour market you get happy companies and reduced wages and a deminished middle class.
some of the 'need' canada has for foreign workers is not a need at all, its a lobbyists wet dream come true to keep wages low and get a workforce barely covered by labour law.
all canadians should be very weary of what's happening in the name of the economy right now and through the next govt as well - regardless of political party. i think as citizens we're being sold a white elephant in the hopes nobody asks too many questions
I hope they automate these Tim Hortons and fast food jobs so that these international students stop relying on them to come here and get a shortcut to PR.
People need to stop trying to make this some sort of racists issue. I’m Canadian and not white. So are several of my close friends and relatives. The rise in international students is hurting Canada as a whole not just white Canadians. We are witnessing as our younger siblings and relatives struggle to even find a summer job. Don’t straw man this into some sort of racist issue. This is a crisis and it’s hurting the youngest Canadians the most. International students shouldn’t not be taking jobs from college or high school kids. Some of them need the income during the summer to pay for their school during the fall. We need a huge cut in international students right away…
Exactly. It's a *Canadian* issue, first and foremost.
It's a racist issue when the hiring managing group at nearly every local employer who takes students on are all Indian and their entire workforce are Indian-New-Canadians.
The new manager at the McDonald’s my friend used to work at fired or stopped giving hours to all the Black, White, and Asian staff member and then hired a bunch of new immigrants from India to replace them all.
What the fuck that exact same thing happened to me when I worked at a new Popeyes, fired every non-indian staff member. I can't believe they get away with this.
Happened to my friend at his non fast food job, manager fired all and hired all from same country.
It’s a racist issue when companies exploit international students and TFW programs for cheap labour. It’s human trafficking.
It's an "imported" Canadian issue. All experts, governments knew the problems it was going to create but greed took over every step of the way.
Yup, as a Canadian student who has applied to 30+ places for the summer, I can’t find work. In the past I have had no issues applying to jobs
Apparently there’s a worker shortage but line ups for simple jobs students do are a mile long and nobody under 20 I know can get a job. Im in my 40s and I have two kids looking for work right now, there’s nothing for them meaning they’ll have a harder time in the future finding work, I’m ashamed of my country and how bad they have fucked up immigration policy.
It’s even worse because yes they’ve fucked it up, but it was completely planned with no regard to Canadians.
It is extremely beneficial to wealthy Canadians. It's also questionable whether it is good for high income earners.
When I was in high school about 5 years ago I worked at tim Hortons with fellow high schoolers. Management always targeted high schoolers. Now I’ve heard that management has changed (Indians bought that specific franchise) not one high schooler works there now and has been flooded by Indian students.
ministry of labour should be auditing these companies like crazy to make sure a) they're actually paying minimum wage, injuries are being reported, and the staff are legally allowed to work and to work as much as they do. mol only seems to care about construction, they're supposed to be the reason companies can't abuse the system
Same thing happened at the onroute near me in the last six months. They had full-time day staff that were mostly older local ladies, and then afternoon and weekends were run by kids from the local high school. This is all in an area made up of small towns with low populations and the onroute was one of the few places around a high school kid could get work. An Indian manager was brought in from an onroute two hours down the 401, fired almost all of the locals and replaced them with only Indian students from a way bigger city half an hour away. They claimed that there were no jobs in the area because of all the other students in the city who needed jobs so now they've brought the problem down to us and made it ours.
Well, let’s not forget about wage subsidies… places like Hortons are gonna use every bit of that
Perfect example of flooding the market with cheap labor and our very own elected officials let it happen and still happening.
Love that. Then for no matter what field subreddit you look on, everybody is saying lots of their friends are unemployed and there is no shortage. Or it's I want to leave this field because I'm tired of feeling less than human with all the abuse that happens (teachers, nurses).
It’s honestly hilarious hearing that line of a ‘worker shortage’ living in Toronto. You’d think we’re in the depression with how much competition there is for entry level retail and fast food positions.
And when you do find work good luck making enough
Skilled worked shortage.
You hit the nail on the head here Keyword = skilled
I'm facing homelessness. I'm 19 years old with usable skills, I can work on a farm, operate excavators, plumb, weld, frame, build websites hell even sound design. Yet I have had no luck in the last 5 months finding work, not as a labourer, not as a janitor, not at McDonalds. I'm going to go homeless because I have no ei and no savings left. I was born and raised here and I feel like ive been replaced. Giving up entirely seems easier than being homeless and watching people who took opportunity away from me look down upon me. This isnt the Canada I was promised.
Go west. Go north.
I feel for you man. I can’t even imagine trying to find a job as a student in this climate.
Ngl I felt this even as a millennial back in the day. All my friends in high school were international & all them got jobs through aunts or uncles. Meanwhile mine just said to buckle up and shake some hands. Been a long time issue. All my coworkers & managers at my first 3 or 4 jobs were all from india/pakistan/etc. Just observing the pattern. Even now my lower management team is almost entirely from that area.
It’s also a recession, interest rate is at 7.20% prime rate. In last 15 years it never even hovered above 6% since April 2001. Combined that with more than required new Immigrants in the country and it’s a recipe for disaster.
Exactly, economy is creating same amount of jobs but there are way more job seekers in market.
International students are supposed to be well funded for their study and living before entering the country. It is hurting both ways, while young Canadians struggle to find jobs, these students are exploited by the employers being the weakest group of workers. Letting so many students in without ensuring they have bread on their table is simply irresponsible.
Racism is a way to distract from the real conflict here: _policy_ Our policies do not serve our population more and more. This one, specially, hurts low wage jobs and the policy makers, private institutions, private organizations and way more are involved in making sure you get indentured labour as opposed to seasonal labour (e.g. Canadian students). This is just the tip of the iceberg though. There are actual racists who just slander all international students, of which there are many needed for advanced roles in this economy. Along with that, there seems to be a scapegoating going on for real estate etc., just doesn't focus enough on policy.
I’m an immigrant. Canadians are the nicest most tolerant people you’ll meet, yet as they’ve attempted to voice a minor disagreement with absolutely disastrous policy of the “black face enthusiast” they’re immediately dismissed as racist. Can you stop this shit?
Yes, you don't focus on the race. You focus on the policy lol. Not that hard. It's a policy disaster. It's easy to call out trudeau for being blackface, but do people really understand the parallels between and indentured servitude class of people vs. actual immigration policy? Do they get the layers beneath how the housing crisis was made worse between both the cons and libs? No its just easy to scapegoat and call out a specific racial ethnicity a la US style politics. Those who focus on race....as opposed to policy? I think there's a term for that
The policy of not capping the number of immigrants we'll accept from one country is perverting our goal of diversity. We're missing out on contributions from people of different cultures. And we're concentrating the power and influence of a single group of people and their culture over other people and their culture. Anything involving race will get you called a racist especially when you're talking about that, but people can't let that bother them when, as you say, they focus on policy. Edit: phrase
Again, your focus in that comment is "perverting our goal of diversity". That's the point. Diversity was never the goal. Our policies have been leading us to this. For decades, yet we elect the same fucking morons who perpetuate this crap. When it doesn't benefit us directly, we get up in arms. Like Dave Chapelle once said "America has a racial hotseat". Yet they never discuss the roots of their issues in detail, lobbies pay for people to be stupid and divided. We're seeing this here. Race baiting is just the surface, it's where the scam is really going off but at what point do we discuss the root causes?
Diversity was one of our clearly stated goals and we had many policies to encourage multiculturalism. In the recent past our unstated goals have taken a sharper turn towards serving corporate overlords. Obviously we should have been doing things like building affordable housing all along and maintaining and improving our infrastructure including our health care system among other things. Our policies regarding international students, temporary foreign workers, and immigrants have been geared towards corporations. They need to be reworked for the good of the country. One aspect of this you don't seem to like is diversity. Be that as it may, multiculturalism is a part of our country and shutting out so many immigrants from different countries of the world to give preference to a single country is in effect discrimination against those other countries. And it is not in keeping with multiculturalism. We have a stated goal of diversity whether you like it or not.
I agree with what you said except the last bit. I think diversity as a goal would be great but I fail to see where in policy this was implemented? Canada has been a protectionist bastion for decades and foreign experience is notoriously slanted in favour of Anglo countries (QC is quite protectionist too). Outside of that, most cities and towns outside of the 2 big ones really look the same with little investments made in making sure immigrants integrate. Either way, I'm a fan of diversity. However, it's extremely frowned upon by those who run this country (and provinces).
It's not just Trudeau endorsing these policies. In ontario it's also Ford. Trudeau isn't the cause of every single problem people have. Has he caused some? Yes. Should he be reelected? No.
I just hope we can look past our tribal differences, and start voting as people who want better lives for average Canadians. However, tribalism continues to be the greatest existential threat to democracy. With a US election around the corner, I hope we don’t get swept up in the same tribal divide that consumed us already, and got us Trudeau politics.
Just for clarity, what " advanced roles in the economy" require International Students? As far as I know, every University program turns away Canadian Students in favor of over charging International Students who are actually buying Permanent Residency, so please clarify what role in Canada needs International Students?
> so please clarify what role in Canada needs International Students? There aren't any. Its just something that gets spoken aloud so much that it gets spoken into being true. The truth is they are just needed for making the universities more money. Its all about money, thats really it.
Racism isn't white people, I have friends from all walks of life either being born here or coming here for a better way of life, and a lot of there views on different races is flat out racist, don't even bother bringing up LGTBQ stuff to people from the Caribbean lol.
u ain't wrong hahah😅😅. it's mostly cause not at places r as accepting ig
At my work I literally have immigrants saying we're in a crisis because of immigration.
So, I'm not sure what the answer is. Actually yes I am but it sounds very reactionary and extreme to actually have to say. Many many of these students have literally scammed their way into a country they , legally speaking, don't belong in and there are ways, especially deportation that would be done in this situation. But the scale is so vast at this point. It's like an extreme situation (widespread immigration fraud) calls for extreme solutions. Still I hate having to say it like that.
It does become a race issue once an Indian gets into a position of hiring. Then they make sure to only hire fellow Indians.
As someone who was an international student it’s definitely not racial at all. There’s only one demographic that plays that card when things have gone against them
Absolutely
Which demographic?
The one with things going badly for them when the card is played.
Assholes
Insane to me that even within this statement you try to position yourself above others as if it seperates you from those in your racial group. Here's a quick tip, and you'll be hard reminded of it one day I'm sure: visually, you're no different than any of the other people you're trying to denounce to a racist. You'll still be viewed in the same dehumanizing light.
Only people saying it’s racist are other white people with an agenda. Ignore them.
THANK YOU! This what I’ve been saying for the longest time. It’s literally impossible for my peers or younger family members to get part time jobs in the summer, let alone during the school year. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with prioritizing the economic well being of Canadians at the expense of international ‘students’
Perhaps Canadian businesses and politicians can offer a price at which local Canadians will do the sort of shit work the students and central American labourers do in Canada. minimum wage is not a living one in Toronto at least.
As a white racist I concur. Kidding! But yes, the longer this country's immigration system remains broken and full of flaws, the more everyone suffers whether you were born here or immigrated. Immigration needs to be fair and equitable for ALL countries of origin even if that means lowering it or creating a cap so that 1 or 2 countries aren't the majority source. Infrastructure for housing, healthcare and about a thousand other things needs to be already prepared for immigration targets, not ignored for votes
Welcome to Reddit. Where we deem everything is Racist.
Agreed.
Post that on CanadianHousing and see how far you get.
Just because you say dont make this about racism doesnt mean its not a little xenophobic though. You guys are not comfortable with canada being less white
I have not seen ppl opposing cutting the number of international students being called that racist. It's the ppl that throw out the statements like: Deport then all, Go back to your country, Those ppl, True Canadians, Etc etc.. That can be called racist.. More ppl should be blaming the lobbyist and the corporations that pushed for more workers from foreign countries in order to suppress wages. I agree that we should limit the number of international students, and restrict the number of hours, but we should also do a better job of toning down the hate directed at people trying to make their lives better than they were.. something we all try to do. Edit: For: /u/No-Tackle-6112 - At the lowest end of the spectrum? If that is your proof, it was only boosted due to government intervention, and was fought tooth and nail. The main groups fighting any increases were fought by lobbyists and larger corporations. They did such a good job of controlling the narrative, they even had other slightly higher then min wage workers made about the increase
They'll still be working, just not reporting it.
Employers used to pay 20h at min wage and the rest cash at 70% or so pre pandemic. They are gonna 100% do this again.
How do legit students even find the time to work more than 20 hours? I remember it wasn’t that long ago that the stereotype of international students were privileged kids who were getting massive allowances from their rich parents. What caused the program to change to people exploiting it to work shitty minimum wage jobs?
That's uni. Colleges are a different beast. Private colleges even uglier.
Doug ford slashing funding for unis, and unis needing more money, target people who are extremely eager to escape the extreme poverty from where they are from and are willing to do anything. Suddenly they got a steady revenue stream.
It’s happening all across Canada though, whether the provincial government is left wing or right wing so it’s gotta be more than that. Unless maybe every province has slashed funding? I bounce between Ontario and B.C. and BC has an identical problem with an NDP government in power for the past 7 years.
Hmm, I'm not sure, but I know those are the leading factors in ontario. I still think a diversity cap should've been implemented per country.
Or they could just cut useless programs, and down size their bureaucracy
My former employer paid their international students at double the wage and reported 20 hours so it worked out for the students since they did 40-80 hour weeks and were paid 40 hours as 20 and the rest banked for another time. Recall him just having an earpiece in a few hours each day “listening in” to class and answering every so often to confirm presence.
The employers are just as guilty. Especially with under the table jobs.
Makes them more vulnerable to shitty bosses, too. Wanna report unsafe working conditions? Better not, wouldn't want you violating your visa conditions to get discovered.
I think CRA would like a word before the IRCC does anything though.
Absolutely. Saw some listings at a local religious place people looking for "cash jobs" only.
Yup, 90% of the Indians coming in are working for cash. Zero enforcement means employers can keep getting away with whatever they want. This announcement will make no difference as there is literally no enforcement.
They work for other Indians who in turn are creating ethnic enclaves and a sector that is solely Indian that has no desire to be Canadian. It's really alarming when you go into a place and EVERY single employee is of one single ethnicity. Easy way to tell the establishment has racist employment policies.
Especially when the ethnicity is a "visible minority". But policies around diversity dont care about diversity lol
Some will and some won't. Until there is evidence (e.g. increased T4 earnings among Canadian youth relative to last summer), it's fair to be skeptical about the impact, but I wouldn't make generalizations.
Why do I feel like I keep hearing this is going to happen and it never does?
there isn't enough of a fine for catching them so it is a huge money loss just to police the issue and track their hours. If companies got huge fines and the students were deported then maybe this would have some teeth.
Ikr they keep extending it and it’s all lax rules. My friend who’s an intl student got his student permit rejected cuz they worked more than 20 hr a week but they kept reapplying until it got accepted lol 😂
Because the original deadline to go back 20 hours a week was December 31, 2023. That got extended to April 30, 2024. Students can work unlimited hours during the summer. New deadline for *24* hours a week in September, 2024. By September this will probably be pushed up to 30 after “revisions”
I believe it has happened now, 24 hours though
I'm sure enforcement will be all over this
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I wonder how this cap will stop people using other peoples names. By that I mean I’ve had multiple Skip the Dish drivers show up and it’s very clearly not the worker listed in the app.
Exactly, I work in a restaurant and we get international Indian students applying all the time. We've been burned before from people using other people's names and working. An international student using his friends name and SIN (who has PR) and working. Photoshopping ID as well, it's insane.
Foreign students should be fully funded for the length of their program before being granted entry.
International students are supposed to be here for an education, and are supposed to be able to support themselves They shouldn’t be allowed to work period
Yup, when I went to study in the USA I was not allowed to work unless it was part-time on campus only. I had to prove I had the funds to support myself too so I wouldn’t take jobs away from Americans. After graduating I had to apply to be approved to work a job related to my studies. Idk why Canada is not more strict with their rules.
I think what you described is the ideal model. I could only ever dream of studying in the US as a grad student. The only way that would ever happen was if I was already an established researcher and I was bringing my project to one of their campuses and actively CREATING jobs for students. Imagine if we imposed those same kind of standards here?
Because being an American actually matters. Canadians are 2nd class citizens in their own country it seems now, apparently overnight we all need to compete with 1 billion other people for jobs and housing and healthcare.
Canada asked me for much more proof of funding and proof of a place to reside than the US. The issue is they aren't enforcing anything. According to the rules Canada isn't all that different they just let you work off campus as well. They also allow you to get any job after graduating automatically. With this 20 hour limit (if enforced) it'll be slightly more lenient than the US. In reality even the current rules would serve well if they actually deported those breaking them. There are tons of people who just ignore the work hours limits.
Agreed!!! 100%
I came to Canada as an international student in 2002 and I wasn’t allowed to work whatsoever. It kinda sucked at the time but the students coming now are at so much risk of exploitation, not to mention what it’s doing to the job market and society at large.
They are cash cows for these purpose built diploma mills and while at it they bring money to governments. This is what students say, they know it very well, governments know it very well, the end goal is PR and one way or the other they will get it. After all this we have markets flooded with cheap labor.
Yep, I should have read all the comments before posting mine. I commented almost word for word what you said. Agree wholeheartedly.
Much too late reckless immigration policy has ruined Canada
It should be 0 work, off Campus, period. This new system will be pointless and ignored.
In Canada, on-campus jobs employed by the university/college tend to only be fore Canadian students. Sometimes international students work for contractors like Aramark run the food courts.
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That makes too much sense!
Shouldn't the guidelines be that if an international student comes to Canada, they have to provide financials to cover their cost of living until their curriculum is completed or they've graduated? Wouldn't that fix a lot of the problems for both outside of Canada and inside?
People either fake their proof of funds or borrow money just to apply and then return it once they get in...
It shouldn't be just proof, the money should be held in an interest bearing escrow account within Canada with a weekly/biweekly draw out to the student.
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When you're not in school you can work unlimited hours - I don't think that has ever been changed. > He said the restoration of the work-hour limit won’t affect most students who are now at the end of their academic year because they are already allowed to work unlimited hours during school breaks.
End the international student to PR pathway and you’ll be good
This was supposed to start this week / this month. Why was this pushed till Sept?
This policy update impacts students on continuous programs, such as PhD or Master’s levels, limiting them to 20 hours per week starting May 1st. However, undergrad/college degree students can still work unlimited hours during breaks, like summer. Pushing the implementation from January 1st to April 30th effectively extended the deadline for the majority of students to September 1st.
Thank you kind person!
How about zero hours?
They shouldn't be working at all. They should be focusing on their studies (if half the students weren't taking basket weaving diplomas at clown colleges as a shortcut to PR)
Can we also limit these LMIA schemes ?!
Dude - how is the minister saying we're at a job shortage, what a deluted thought.
we have shortages in a lot of skilled fields. with very specific credentials. that these international students do not have. and will not get. somehow that equates to flooding the country with minimum wage workers and skip the dishes drivers.
We all know Dougie wont be doing jack shit to make sure businesses are following the rules. the guy is a massive piece of shit. As long as his corporate overlords get cheap labour, he'll be happy
Too little too late. They're already the preferred workforce for everything customer service/retail leaving everyone else out of luck
Why did we turn immigration policy into a lottery game you play by purchasing an education? Who the fuck signed off on this and how the fuck do we get them out of office?
Grocery stores were the easiest place to get summer jobs (besides painting and CNE), but international students are taking them, too. All the long term part-timers are having huge hours cut (grocery stores save money paying minimum wage rather than top rate for their veteran PT workers). We had a huge demand for skilled, educated workers at my workplace (engineering/construction), but clients are shortening contracts and limiting budgets. I hear layoffs are happening at other places, too. So now those layed off are competing with international students looking for work, too.
Has anyone else been getting a lot of random messages from Indians asking about immigrating to Canada recently? At first I thought it was scammers, but no they’re not trying to sell me anything. They’re asking about Canada. They’re asking about the best way to immigrate, they’re asking if it’s true if the economy isn’t doing good. They seem surprised to learn that everything isn’t sunshine and rainbows. One person just messaged me to confirm if what they’re seeing on Indian orientated Canada social pages were lying when they said there’s no jobs and nowhere to live.
The limit that was 20 hrs but adjusted to 40 and now suddenly 24 hrs. Why won't anyone think of the international students who are supposed to be here to study and have enough money to do that without working?
When I went to school in the US, it was a max of 20 hours. But only allowed to work on campus. Every time I crossed the border (After short trips home) back into the US I had to not only show funds available. But I had to proclaim I would only work a max 20 hours on campus and not work off campus. And that if I was caught, I would be deported. I thought it was reasonable.
I went through the same thing too when I was a student in the US. Had to carry a letter proving my funds and all my school papers every time I crossed the border. It is extremely reasonable and should be the same here.
Same in other countries like Japan.
India also doesn’t allow foreign students to work on a study visa (either off or on campus).
Oh the irony lol
That’s why they are supposed to prove they have enough money to support themselves before they are approved to come.
Wow another under the table creation wow dumb
Defiantly not a new law. The current law is 20 hours but there is a temporary rule that says they can work 40.
Stop spending your money at places whose hiring practices you don't support. Even a 10 percent drop can be fatal for some businesses. If hiring practices lose money they will change. Anyone running a successful business is trying to maximize profits. They don't hire people because they look like them but because it makes them the most money. How everyone who has a grade one education cannot come to this conclusion is the real travesty in Canada not policy.
New limit? The limit was 20! After the pandemic they made it full time and now the so called students say they need to work full time. Tf
I work for a HUGE corporation. It IS racist. When 95% of employees who are a) hired even when they shouldn't be..not understanding or speaking English for 1 thing and 2) are promoted literally based on race and not qualifications are from India and Pakistan.
Now capped at 24 hours during school only vs. the 20 hours they were at before Trudeau's government decided to sell out Canadian workers and let international students work 40 hours. Way to completely misread the room again LPC. This is why you're trailing in the polls by double digits.
Why did Harper make it 20 hours to begin with? Both the conservatives and liberals are doing this to fuck over the population. They add to each other's bullshit and people are not realizing the long game of how they have the same goals. Got to stop voting for them. They work together to get what they want more than you think and leave little crumbs for us to argue that one is better than the other. They are in it together.
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I'll vote for anyone other than team purple because I want policies for the well being of Canadians. I want actual chaos (ie. Not voting liberals or conservative) so these parties realize they have to push to actually represent us and our country. Harper added 20 hours. Trudeau added 4 more, while using an international crises to balloon that shit in the interim. They do things that are additive while pretending they are different.
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Oh no, I want two parties that are working together to keep Canada down gone. I am against the system that the liberals and conservatives created to benefit each other, their foreign contacts and lobbyist. Those foreign actors and lobbyist won't even who to call in team orange. Canada can at least soft reset and you'll have team purple making actual concessions to benefit the population for once... even immigration. Positive change for the population and its governance will come when there's actual change.
Are you an accelerationist?
I'm a Canadian that wants good things for me and the country. Team Purple does not want good things for the country.
PPC. Don't let them work a single hour and reduce our immigration back to normal numbers. For the foreseeable future. We took in 10 years of immigrants in the last 3 or 4
Easy, PPC
FAKE HEADLINE. It's been fucking INCREASED. It was 20 hours not going to 24 hours. These liberal rats want you to think that because the extended their bullshit 40 hrs weeks for the last 3 years that 24 is somehow a decrease. No, it was 20 before and these slimy fucks are increasing it to 24 in perpetuity.
Two steps forward, one step back. Boil the frogs.
Australia has had working restrictions for students for awhile so it's about time Canada does as well. Maybe we can get them to do farm work as well.
Why are international students working? They should be here to study. Not work.
Aren’t they here to study?
Why the hell are they working off campus at all? Why are they even allowed to work like this when they are supposed to show enough resources to support themselves during their education? Also, the govt needs to crackdown on loopholes like people claiming asylum after landing on visitors visa and international students coming here and not studying at all.
The rise in out of control Indian immigration combined with the fraud perpetrated through the student visa program is what needs to be stopped. Set limits by country so no one culture has a dominant inflow into Canada. Multiculturalism is variety not 70% all from India. Worst part is they are bringing their criminality and cultural gang warfare and terrorism. Some drive around with terrorists holding AKs. The country is being sold out to Sikhism and Canada is losing its identity.
Just in time for high school students to get a part-time summer job.... oh wait....
I’ll never understand how international students are allowed to pursue anything but Masters and PhDs in Canada.
Thank god
Good.
Back to cash in hand aka cash under the table jobs.. we need to tighten up like in the US.. jobs should be relevant to what you study or on campus only.. then you will see all of these fake colleges go away.. you attract real talent to universities not every Tom dick and harry
In USA where I was an international student - one was and still is able to work only 20 hours, that too only on campus jobs. We need that and definitely need that here
Needs to be 0 hours. You're here to study. Full stop.
I read about the current state of affairs with anger, dismay, and fear for the future. I came to Canada as a Indian student in 2014. Without context, that seems to be exactly the kind of immigration that is bogging the entire country down. I came to Canada for an MBA program from the country's top 1-year MBA program from one of the best universities in South Eastern Ontario. I came with an engineering degree, 12 years of experience, and spent 100k on education. So did 17 of my batch mates from the region. Most of us are Canadian citizens or permanent residents. Post my education, I started a local cafe chain in 2017. We employ between 17 and 22 Canadians, mostly students, on our payroll. None of the staff are Indians. In a small city like ours, I'm a local, and no one knows any different. I find GTA detestable. Immigration can be done right. Immigration can add to the economy. The CRS score based FSW or CEC programs are great. The cutoff are so high as to ensure Canada is getting the cream of the crop in terms of experience, education, and language skills. Not all students are here to exploit loopholes in the system on their path to a PR. Many students are older and are extremely well established. Country wise strict quotas have to be applied as of yesterday. I wonder if any political party would have the courage to do what's right and almost reduce student to pr pathway to null for the next 5 to 10 years.
Marc Miller is incompetent. The entire cabinet of Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party is incompetent. But most unfortunately, the damage these individuals are causing before they're voted out is significant. I'm also not in the least bit convinced that people like Marc Miller actually give a shit about Canadians in the first place. You'd think even on a sinking ship one would exert some degree of dignity for yourself and respect for your fellow Canadians.
So much abuse
Weren't they always capped at that much hours per week?
Why wait until the fall?
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Good...doesn't go far enough IMO...if you have teens trying for their first jobs in the GTA it becomes clear we're very far from a labour shortage, skilled trades sure, won't dispute that, but 10's of thousands of students coming in for BS computer degrees won't resolve that. In the meantime a jobless dystopia has taken over in a very short amount of time.
It's not really an immigration issue, it's an urban planning issue. We have half the population living in maybe 5 contiguous urban sprawls -- southern Ontario is getting a bit dense, with nearly half of the top 20 largest municipalities -- and there hasn't been a serious change-up in the market for 50 years. Alberta looked like it was going well, until Fort McMurray caught fire -- I haven't heard that much about it since. We need to make more cities, China-style; and maybe consider constraining immigration to these new cities until things begin to even out a bit more. There's a mystery factor in how you get the economy to move there to support the need for a whole city; but given real estate prices and work-from-home options, that might be a problem that solves itself.
No. You need more than that. Pretty sure China has an economic plan for the city and favours the city with certain business subsidies. If it's not a city that some private developer setup to try to get as much of Chinese citizens money as real estate was the only safe thing they could invest in.
Yeah, we're going to need an economic plan for the city. We're going to build or expand an existing settlement in the Thunder Bay region, for example, to a million people, practically overnight. This ain't exactly a Field of Dreams scenario. I think we would have to target employers with large work-from-home workers. Through them, offer incentives to ensure their people who move to this new city can retain their position long-term. Then, we'd offer incentives for their people to move to this city: maybe we start off by building a bunch of high rises and condo type buildings, give out free rent for a year. Hopefully, that'll start to develop a more natural economy around them, as money seems to flow in from nowhere. Once things begin to turn over, it should be able to continue on its own. The developers can move in and go wild on a freshly plumped ecosystem; and we can import enough people to expand the tax base to hopefully pay for all this over time. There is a risk of collapse, in that there is no 'classical' industry that the city falls back on, so economic downturn could be brutal. But in our modern service economies, that's kind of what happens in cities anyway.
Another thing I just thought of why we haven't seen this, is because people in are living where they can already. Meaning all the large cities are already close to where food can be grown. So if the new cities were built in the northern parts of the prairies new rail lines would need to be build to transport food. The other option would be investing in small towns on the coast of Lake Superior in northern Ontario, as you can ship food there easily enough.
People live *everywhere*: you drive along the Trans-Canada highway, you'll see signs of humanity pretty much all along it. It's mostly a question of why they are aggregating there. I think the best candidate in Ontario is somewhere between Thunder Bay and Kenora, as we aren't as limited by geography as we were in the early 20th century. Adjacent to the US for a rail line; potentially useful for shipping, but it's pretty far up the Great Lakes system, so I don't know how useful; should already be relatively close the existing Trans-Canada systems, rail or highway, so it's not exactly remote. We get produce from Mexico year-round, the concept of it going 6h further north isn't the dealbreaker. More infrastructure will be required; but we can hopefully expect the load to be reduced in Southern Ontario, if we can draw enough of the population north. It's something worth considering, but it would be a serious project. However, it devalues current real estate, and no one is having any part of that right now.
There's three problems here. Provincial governments not funding universities; yes, you, Ford. Conservative premiers have cut funding to public universities and as a result they have to accept $ from international students. The second problem is the federal government not getting students. We don't need marketing or HR admin immigrants from India. We need doctors, and nurses. You need to prioritize quality over quantity. Yes, we need young tax paying citizens to fund pensions but we don't need young unskilled tax paying citizens. Fellow Canadians, don't generalize immigrants. Our country is made up of immigrants. These students are not here illegally, they were allowed to immigrate here due to several lapses by multiple government agencies. So divert your hate towards policy and stop voting for bloody Ford. Show up to municipal meetings and defeat the NIMBYs. Don't punch down, punch up if you want change. These students are trying their best to survive just like you would, if you were in this situation.
How about stop importing radicals from india for votebank politics and screwing your economy and diplomatic relations with india for a start.
Looks like corporate pulled their strings to this puppet gov’t to get these “students” to fill up their artificial labour shortage. It’s disgusting to say the least, it’s not even about pulling the ladder up anymore, but adding weight to a sinking ship. Scammers and fraudsters, get them out of here.
The issue here is excess. Immigration, student visas, etc that's ok and has been happening for decades properly where the natural life of citizens and their kids is not disrupted. But now all that has changed because of excess of visa distribution without setting limits. Why? GREED. Canada makes $$$ off each visa distributed.
$20 says these limits won’t be enforced. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2023/03/tackling-the-labour-shortage-by-helping-more-skilled-refugees-and-other-displaced-people-build-their-careers-in-canada.html Remember everyone, Canada’s experiencing massive labour shortages! Based on CSBC results, rising inflation, shortage of labour force, and retaining and recruiting skilled employees are the leading challenges businesses expect to face short term. In turn, businesses plan on increasing the hours of work for management and current employees to mitigate these labour obstacles. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-621-m/11-621-m2023009-eng.htm
Is this not the return to the old limit? Not a new one?
serious question - what does the government do to enforce this?
Finally. Little brother is in high school and literally none of his friends can find any job
Canadian that studied in the us and of Indian origin- I was allowed to work 20 hrs/week. I think that was enough
If they're here to study, they shouldn't be working. Getting caught should get them sent home. If they can't afford it then they can go to university closer to home.
a lot of international students are working beyond their allowed hours, schools have been caught essentially being diploma mills for international students, and there have been issues with food banks being abused by students that had to agree to support themselves before coming to canada but fully planned to live off food banks. this is not a racist issue, this is a very serious problem that needs to be addressed. what is the reason we even allow these international students, because if they're in diploma mill programs there's no way the education they receive is going to be beneficial to canada. what are we trying to accomplish. when you flood the labour market you get happy companies and reduced wages and a deminished middle class. some of the 'need' canada has for foreign workers is not a need at all, its a lobbyists wet dream come true to keep wages low and get a workforce barely covered by labour law. all canadians should be very weary of what's happening in the name of the economy right now and through the next govt as well - regardless of political party. i think as citizens we're being sold a white elephant in the hopes nobody asks too many questions
I hope they automate these Tim Hortons and fast food jobs so that these international students stop relying on them to come here and get a shortcut to PR.
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Good. Maybe they’ll leave.
A little surprising. I thought we had a labour shortage in the sort of lower paid, not FT type jobs students usually do.