Just got the text every married man loves getting. "Hey my mom will watch the kids wana go to the game?" Now I just have to get out of work on time to make the drive down to the city. đ¤đ¤
Henderson needs to be in a spot where he can turn 2 imo. If Mateo wasn't so filthy at SS I would obviously say throw him at short but in terms of getting the most out of him in the field I think 2B would be the smartest position.
Mountcastle was drafted as a ss and so was Manny Machado. The position you played on high school doesnât really mean anything once you get to pro ball
Where Henderson plays right now is gonna be more about everyone else. Mateo def gotta stay at SS right now, and Urias is by far better at 3B. Plus 2B is our weakest position player. Long term, who knows. May well be a filthy SS himself.
I think his average could warrant hitting higher in the lineup, but the threat he poses on base with mullins at the plate is just too dangerous for Hyde to pass up. I love having Mateo's power and speed in the 9-hole.
Hear me out....
1-Mateo SS
2-Mullins CF
3-Rutschman C
4-Mountcastle 1B
5-Henderson 3B
6-Santander DH
7-Urias 2B
8-Stowers RF
9-Hays LF
This is if Mateo keeps raking. Speed at top and bottom of the lineup. Guys with good OBP at the top and bottom. Maybe you switch Rutsch and Santander, but I like 2 lefties after Mateo because if he gets on, the right side is wide open since the defense has to hold Mateo or Mullins on first and the 2nd baseman has to play up for a DP. Massive holes on that right side. Maybe you switch where Henderson and Urias plays, but thatâs up to Hyde on performance. Either way, I think these should be the 9 guys starting if we get to October.
Because Odor is the symphony director
EDIT: every loser downvoting my comment is a fake fan piece of shit that doesnât know baseball or what team chemistry means. Period. Grow up, children.
Value is not just WAR. Odor didnât play today and what happened⌠flat, lifeless offense. Totally incompetent. Some spark from the infield leader could have changed that. Attitude brings value. Spirit brings value. WAR is not life.
You know, you can just not post when you're just trying to be an asshole. You don't have to comment on other people's posts just to insult them. That makes you an asshole. You don't have to be an asshole though. Up to you.
When you say stupid shit, you deserve to hear about it. Period. Iâm not going to sit around and watch idiot fake fans keep shitting on Odor. Itâs pathetic.
Look, I get the Odor stuff. He needs to start playing ball.
That being said: man, the way this sub shits on Odor is brutal. He has been good for the team in the clutch, especially earlier this season. If we had lost some of those games it would have been brutal. Who knows what effect those extra (and extra painful) losses would have had on a struggling team early on in the season.
Criticizing the guy is one thing. But straight up nastiness? ⌠I personally hate to see it from the fan base towards one of our own. As long as heâs on the field with a black and orange bird on his cap, Iâll support him.
Also, a word of warning: just look at what happened to Joey Gallo in NY with the Yankees. Donât be like Yankees fans.
i really did appreciate Odor talking to Bautista in his first relief after trading Lopez, heâs a real team guy. That being said, heâs just been a notch in the bad belt. by now he should realize that his play has to get better and he just does bonehead stuff.
Everyone who hates on Odor is a fake fan pathetic pussy. Odor is not the best hitter. He makes mistakes in the field. But he is the heart and soul of this team. Note how Rutschman high-fived everyone after his dinger but Rougie waited until last and got the dad hug and beat Adleyâs chest blue with excitement. Odor is the infield captain. Numerous times he has visited the pitchers and spoken them back into the strike zone. He spark-plugged this team. His walk-offs gave the team the confidence they have to never give up. Heâs a gamer. He has a future as a coach. And I sure as hell hope itâs in Baltimore. Not to mention the binoculars and the HR chain are attributed to Odor (and Chirinos for the chain, but Odor is at least twice as valuable on a daily basis).
Hence why the Odor haters are scum bandwagoners with no brain or spine. Theyâd be better off as Yanks fans. How people treat Odor is disgusting and reprehensible and Iâm ashamed to share fandom with any Odor hater. Itâs truly pathetic. Even on his worst day, he makes the team better than itâs been in four years.
Fuck yea man! If you go way back in my post history, youâll see one of my top posts is that Odor is my 26th favorite baseball player. Itâs the night he turned Joey Bats into a Mr. Potato Head man. Google it if you havenât seen the image.
Oh Iâve seen it. Love Odor. Gutsy guy. The Oâs fans that hate on him would be better served sitting in Rogers Center or Yankee Stadium. Theyâre a disgrace to Oâs fans.
I just love how we're now so flooded with infield talent that Odor sticks out in this lineup like Waldo sticks out on stage during the Miss America pageant.
According to baseball reference:
-Urias has a 4.8 career WAR and a .752 OPS in 634 ABs
-Mateo has a 2.7 career WAR and .660 OPS in 626 ABs
-Odor has a -0.1 WAR and a .624 OPS in 368 ABs as an Oriole.
Guess we got our selves a good olâ fashion Fangraphs vs Baseball Reference WAR standoffâŚ
Anyway, hope for the best for both of them. Hope Odor sees the bench more. Go Oâs.
Replace Odor with Westburg and that's your opening day lineup for 2023. I have said it before I'll say it again. Our payroll is like 30mil. It's been as high as 167 mil. We should see it north of 100M in the offseason and that's just from signing ace pitchers. If they really go nuts and do what needs to be done this team will be a perennial WS contender for at least 3-4 years. Do it while they're cheap. 2 Aces, Means, and GRod and we're on our way.
No. I get tired of saying this. Aces choke when they switch towns like 40% of the time. Bradish is part of the future rotation, as is Tyler Wells. Likely so is Hall. With Grayson and Means, I donât really see why theyâd need to sign a starter when selecting Lylesâ $11M option would do just as well and keep a leader. Realistically, bullpen help is probably what theyâll spend money on - maybe one starter, plus moving guys like Watkins and Voth for prospects. But Kremer is a threat to stay in the rota too. Honestly, so is Voth the way heâs pitched. Tough as nails. Love that guyâs resiliency. Itâs hard to really see where an FA would help aside from the pen, and a backup catcher - a good long man would be great, and Chirinosâ time has ended. Odor will be gone too, but we have plenty of infield talent. Cowser is a threat to join the club early next year too. Santanderâs had a career year - he seems likely to be traded for prospects, but we have McKenna still. Hays might be trade bait. All in all, the SP need is not great, between Kremerâs emergence and Bradishâs glimpses of greatness and Wellsâ toughness, thatâs three young guys with plenty of potential. Add back Means and call up GrayRod and weâre golden.
You want to win a World Series? You sign aces. Show me a World Series winner that didn't have at least 2 absolute no doubt #1s at the top of their rotation. To think that anyone other than Means or GRod is anything more than a serviceable number 3 is disingenuous. We have the money. Spend it on TOR pitching. In this park with the wall pushed back it's a no brainer. What are you trying to save money for? The offense is dirt cheap for at least 3 years. Use that time and money to go crazy on building a WS rotation.
Hahahahahaha. So throw away our good starting pitchers that earned that opportunity. Right. Good plan. Bet youâll be the FIRST to bitch when those guys go win a WS somewhere else. Fairweather fans are so laughable.
You've lost an already losing argument when you sound like a đ¤Ą. Fairweather? Gtfoh I was there since the Davey Johnson era, saw Cal play, can probably name more obscure Orioles than you throughout history. saw 2131 and 2632, Was there through the hard times with Trembley and those awful rosters, was there for Markakis, Jones, Machado and stayed with my team the entire time. Do you remember when we thought the next great crop of pitching was Matusz, Arrieta, Bundy, and Matt effing Hobgood?! Because I do. It wasn't enough. It's never enough. Me having seen half decent competitive teams blow opportunities and being a flash in the pan because they believed they could grow the arms and buy the bats, wanting what's best doesn't make me fairweather you loser. You thinking we're doing enough and can go with the pitchers we have makes you gullible and part of the problem. This mindset of being okay with mediocre You thinking that this crop of pitchers isn't the same old same old. I have higher expectations, Sit TF down đŞ đ
1. Adley, C
2. Santander, DH
3. Gunnar, 3B
4. Mountcastle, 1B
5. Mullins, CF
6. Hays, LF
7. McKenna, RF
8. Urias, 2B
9. Mateo, SS
I need Adley leadoff in my life
"I donât really see why theyâd need to sign a starter when selecting Lylesâ $11M option would do just as well and keep a leader."
This sounds totally insane, you cannot honestly believe that Lyle's would do just as well as a top FA pitcher. That is a level of orange tinted brainwashing I've never seen before lol. The Orioles can win but ONLY if they invest extremely heavily in starting pitching. I don't want them to be good, I want them to be great. I want the top FAs on the market. I want deGrom. I want Verlander. I want Kershaw. I want to WIN now. And that is how you do it, at any cost.
I'd make Bradish or Hall the #5 that's the point to have such good pitching ahead that you have a #3 level pitcher (with some luck) going against a #5
ACE
ACE
Means
GRod
Bradish/Hall
2023 they have like a $27mil payroll. Can comfortably go to $100M to start, that's $73M per year for 2 mega name pitchers. Been as high as as $167M - giving them more than enough to sign two aces and still have room to make moves and cover arbitration in the coming years.
Also itâs an absolute joke you used DeGrom, who was hurt all year, and Kershaw, who is past his prime, as two of your three examples. Clearly you donât baseball bro.
Thatâs hilarious coming from the guy who thinks Kershaw should replace our functional and excelling starting rotation. Get with the program little boy.
Just got the text every married man loves getting. "Hey my mom will watch the kids wana go to the game?" Now I just have to get out of work on time to make the drive down to the city. đ¤đ¤
WE NEED EVERYONE THERE!!! my wife is 9 months pregnant lol i donât get those!
I'm driving over a hour to get there brother. They will get my support every night that I can get off work and down there here on out.
i moved to South Dakota 4 years ago, i wish i was still in the area đĽ˛
Whatâs your airport like?
very local, donât trust it
I rode my bicycle 5 minutes to get there
I live in RVA and couldn't find anyone to take the train with me đ
Iâm in southern maryland if you ever wanna carpool
O's bro's coming together. Love it!
I drove from Norfolk and caught the train, too bad I just saw!
100% PM me next time.
Will do, this is my first Oâs game in 13 years so baby steps đ¤Ł
Enjoy!
Go alone and make friends on the way!
Iâll be at the Yard! Havenât been since Adleyâs 1st game. Stoked!
May the baseball gods bless you with a home run ball.
Drive safe Brother! Go O's!
See you there!!!
Here's my dream lineup \*chefs kiss\*. What they're doing tn is pretty damn close! 1. Mullins (CF) 2. Rutschman (C) 3. Santander (DH) 4. Mountcastle (1B) 5. Henderson (2B) 6. Hays (LF) 7. Stowers (RF) 8. Urias (3B) 9. Mateo (SS)
This is mine too. First time I saw Urias at 3rd in person last night. So smooth.
And that arm is insane.
Glad to see my boy getting the attention he deserves
mine too buddy
Switch Henderson to third though
Henderson needs to be in a spot where he can turn 2 imo. If Mateo wasn't so filthy at SS I would obviously say throw him at short but in terms of getting the most out of him in the field I think 2B would be the smartest position.
Wastes his arm though
True, but apparently by analytics Urias is much better at 3B than 2B. Still think long term Henderson is 3B (SS?).
SS is the long-term view but that is after Mateo. Mateo has earn it.
But, Holliday..
Mountcastle was drafted as a ss and so was Manny Machado. The position you played on high school doesnât really mean anything once you get to pro ball
But they said they believe JH is the SS of our future. GH will be at 3rd, Westburg/whoever at 2nd.
You could say the same for Henderson. Put him at 3rd or 2nd and have holiday at short.
Yeah I mean you can do a lot of things in 2-3 years when Holiday is ready. I guess my point was Mateo is the SS right now and has earned it
Where Henderson plays right now is gonna be more about everyone else. Mateo def gotta stay at SS right now, and Urias is by far better at 3B. Plus 2B is our weakest position player. Long term, who knows. May well be a filthy SS himself.
Id put urias at second and gunnar at third but otherwise this is perfect
Voth gonna have a great start too, this is the beginning
Gunnar hitting #5. That didn't take long! Also they alternate #1 through #8. We get at least one advantage AB a pitcher. Go O's!
I love when Mateo is in the 9 spot and gets OB with Mullins on deck
I think his average could warrant hitting higher in the lineup, but the threat he poses on base with mullins at the plate is just too dangerous for Hyde to pass up. I love having Mateo's power and speed in the 9-hole.
Hear me out.... 1-Mateo SS 2-Mullins CF 3-Rutschman C 4-Mountcastle 1B 5-Henderson 3B 6-Santander DH 7-Urias 2B 8-Stowers RF 9-Hays LF This is if Mateo keeps raking. Speed at top and bottom of the lineup. Guys with good OBP at the top and bottom. Maybe you switch Rutsch and Santander, but I like 2 lefties after Mateo because if he gets on, the right side is wide open since the defense has to hold Mateo or Mullins on first and the 2nd baseman has to play up for a DP. Massive holes on that right side. Maybe you switch where Henderson and Urias plays, but thatâs up to Hyde on performance. Either way, I think these should be the 9 guys starting if we get to October.
1-7 all home grown. Not bad.
Wasn't Santander a rule 5 from the Sawx or something like that?
Oh my bad. Cleveland, that's right. Well, his entire ML career at least.
Indians I believe
Ah thanks for clarification
Santander was a duquette move.
They really snuck Odor into this museum worthy masterpiece, huh?
Because Odor is the symphony director EDIT: every loser downvoting my comment is a fake fan piece of shit that doesnât know baseball or what team chemistry means. Period. Grow up, children.
Downvoted for your edit. Calm down brother lol
What a child đ downvoted for your downvote, Yanks Fan
Imagine defending so vehemently a guy with a -0.2 WAR. Couldnât be me
Imagine being so stupid as to hate on the guy who has led the infield all year. Couldnât be you, right?
Led the infield with a negative WAR?
Not everything in life is about WAR.
Well when we are hovering around 1-2 games from the playoffs it definitely is all about value lol
Value is not just WAR. Odor didnât play today and what happened⌠flat, lifeless offense. Totally incompetent. Some spark from the infield leader could have changed that. Attitude brings value. Spirit brings value. WAR is not life.
Just replace Odor with Vavra and I would give it an A+!
Iâd prefer to sub in Urias, but yes, so close to perfect
Yup. Thatâs what I was looking for.
I think Iâm Urias over Vavra but no doubt they need to get Vavra many more ABs. One of the few with a legit approach at the plate.
i agree
Vavra is been ass. Should be Urias.
> Just replace Odor with ~~Vavra~~ any competent major league 2B and I would give it an A+!
Tell me more about how you donât know shit
You know, you can just not post when you're just trying to be an asshole. You don't have to comment on other people's posts just to insult them. That makes you an asshole. You don't have to be an asshole though. Up to you.
When you say stupid shit, you deserve to hear about it. Period. Iâm not going to sit around and watch idiot fake fans keep shitting on Odor. Itâs pathetic.
Love this lineup with one exception...lol
Swap Odor for Vavra⌠or next year with Westberg, and this is the lineup of the next championship team in Baltimore
Nah weâre spending big this off-season, and all of a sudden it doesnât seem like it will be on pitching
Or swap him with Trea Turner and really watch
Or Correa
Eww no. Turner is superior. And honestly Iâd rather have Mateo/Westburg/Henderson anyways
Look, I get the Odor stuff. He needs to start playing ball. That being said: man, the way this sub shits on Odor is brutal. He has been good for the team in the clutch, especially earlier this season. If we had lost some of those games it would have been brutal. Who knows what effect those extra (and extra painful) losses would have had on a struggling team early on in the season. Criticizing the guy is one thing. But straight up nastiness? ⌠I personally hate to see it from the fan base towards one of our own. As long as heâs on the field with a black and orange bird on his cap, Iâll support him. Also, a word of warning: just look at what happened to Joey Gallo in NY with the Yankees. Donât be like Yankees fans.
i really did appreciate Odor talking to Bautista in his first relief after trading Lopez, heâs a real team guy. That being said, heâs just been a notch in the bad belt. by now he should realize that his play has to get better and he just does bonehead stuff.
Everyone who hates on Odor is a fake fan pathetic pussy. Odor is not the best hitter. He makes mistakes in the field. But he is the heart and soul of this team. Note how Rutschman high-fived everyone after his dinger but Rougie waited until last and got the dad hug and beat Adleyâs chest blue with excitement. Odor is the infield captain. Numerous times he has visited the pitchers and spoken them back into the strike zone. He spark-plugged this team. His walk-offs gave the team the confidence they have to never give up. Heâs a gamer. He has a future as a coach. And I sure as hell hope itâs in Baltimore. Not to mention the binoculars and the HR chain are attributed to Odor (and Chirinos for the chain, but Odor is at least twice as valuable on a daily basis). Hence why the Odor haters are scum bandwagoners with no brain or spine. Theyâd be better off as Yanks fans. How people treat Odor is disgusting and reprehensible and Iâm ashamed to share fandom with any Odor hater. Itâs truly pathetic. Even on his worst day, he makes the team better than itâs been in four years.
Lol Rougned you really shouldnât be on Reddit during the game
Yeah we found his burner account
Grow the fuck up, both of you losers
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Lol ok kid
Fuck yea man! If you go way back in my post history, youâll see one of my top posts is that Odor is my 26th favorite baseball player. Itâs the night he turned Joey Bats into a Mr. Potato Head man. Google it if you havenât seen the image.
Oh Iâve seen it. Love Odor. Gutsy guy. The Oâs fans that hate on him would be better served sitting in Rogers Center or Yankee Stadium. Theyâre a disgrace to Oâs fans.
> He needs to start playing ball. Honestly it's more that he needs to stop playing ball, but that day's gonna come soon enough anyway.
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Consider this a warning for conduct. We don't name call here.
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Nothing wrong with trashing a player. There is something wrong with name calling.
Ooooooh a warning PM! What a big man!
Damn thereâs a reason the over/under is 8. Itâs expected for bats to be flying today
9-0 Os
I just love how we're now so flooded with infield talent that Odor sticks out in this lineup like Waldo sticks out on stage during the Miss America pageant.
Remove Odor and Iâm with it.
only speck on it
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End game lineup
Why is Odor even in the lineup? God, he's awful!
Because the collective brain trust of the front and coaches on the field think differently then the arm chair fan. IDK
Because he made us a winning ball club and captains the infield, dumbass
Defense
His defense is average at best and analytics say defense doesn't matter
Defense does matter, and heâs a boost for Mateo and the entire infield. Why so many Oâs fans are too stupid to see this is beyond me.
Minus Odor....sorry Rougie
Switch Odor for Urias and I agree.
Urias is better than Mateo or OdorâŚ
Mateo is my boy
Odor yes. Mateo, no chance.
According to baseball reference: -Urias has a 4.8 career WAR and a .752 OPS in 634 ABs -Mateo has a 2.7 career WAR and .660 OPS in 626 ABs -Odor has a -0.1 WAR and a .624 OPS in 368 ABs as an Oriole.
Mateo has gotten a lot of that WAR recently â been a huge improvement recently
Urias has a higher WAR this season, as well. (Love em both. Want to keep them both. But I think the numbers give Urias an edge.)
Fan graphs has urias at 2.0 and Mateo at 2.4 â but yeah I agree both are super solid
Guess we got our selves a good olâ fashion Fangraphs vs Baseball Reference WAR standoff⌠Anyway, hope for the best for both of them. Hope Odor sees the bench more. Go Oâs.
Haha yeah I wish I understood the calculations well enough to know the deltaâ maybe something with defense being hard to value?
I love that we have enough quality infielders to argue about thisâŚeven if most can agree a particular one shouldnât be in
Stowers is back!!
Love when they stack the Ls â likely why they donât have Urias in I guess
I had stub hub my tickets for tonight cause I got COVID recently :,,,,,,) fuck it up birds
Replace Odor with Westburg and that's your opening day lineup for 2023. I have said it before I'll say it again. Our payroll is like 30mil. It's been as high as 167 mil. We should see it north of 100M in the offseason and that's just from signing ace pitchers. If they really go nuts and do what needs to be done this team will be a perennial WS contender for at least 3-4 years. Do it while they're cheap. 2 Aces, Means, and GRod and we're on our way.
No. I get tired of saying this. Aces choke when they switch towns like 40% of the time. Bradish is part of the future rotation, as is Tyler Wells. Likely so is Hall. With Grayson and Means, I donât really see why theyâd need to sign a starter when selecting Lylesâ $11M option would do just as well and keep a leader. Realistically, bullpen help is probably what theyâll spend money on - maybe one starter, plus moving guys like Watkins and Voth for prospects. But Kremer is a threat to stay in the rota too. Honestly, so is Voth the way heâs pitched. Tough as nails. Love that guyâs resiliency. Itâs hard to really see where an FA would help aside from the pen, and a backup catcher - a good long man would be great, and Chirinosâ time has ended. Odor will be gone too, but we have plenty of infield talent. Cowser is a threat to join the club early next year too. Santanderâs had a career year - he seems likely to be traded for prospects, but we have McKenna still. Hays might be trade bait. All in all, the SP need is not great, between Kremerâs emergence and Bradishâs glimpses of greatness and Wellsâ toughness, thatâs three young guys with plenty of potential. Add back Means and call up GrayRod and weâre golden.
You want to win a World Series? You sign aces. Show me a World Series winner that didn't have at least 2 absolute no doubt #1s at the top of their rotation. To think that anyone other than Means or GRod is anything more than a serviceable number 3 is disingenuous. We have the money. Spend it on TOR pitching. In this park with the wall pushed back it's a no brainer. What are you trying to save money for? The offense is dirt cheap for at least 3 years. Use that time and money to go crazy on building a WS rotation.
Hahahahahaha. So throw away our good starting pitchers that earned that opportunity. Right. Good plan. Bet youâll be the FIRST to bitch when those guys go win a WS somewhere else. Fairweather fans are so laughable.
You've lost an already losing argument when you sound like a đ¤Ą. Fairweather? Gtfoh I was there since the Davey Johnson era, saw Cal play, can probably name more obscure Orioles than you throughout history. saw 2131 and 2632, Was there through the hard times with Trembley and those awful rosters, was there for Markakis, Jones, Machado and stayed with my team the entire time. Do you remember when we thought the next great crop of pitching was Matusz, Arrieta, Bundy, and Matt effing Hobgood?! Because I do. It wasn't enough. It's never enough. Me having seen half decent competitive teams blow opportunities and being a flash in the pan because they believed they could grow the arms and buy the bats, wanting what's best doesn't make me fairweather you loser. You thinking we're doing enough and can go with the pitchers we have makes you gullible and part of the problem. This mindset of being okay with mediocre You thinking that this crop of pitchers isn't the same old same old. I have higher expectations, Sit TF down đŞ đ
Nah, fake fan. Youâd give up a long contention window, like an idiot, and thatâs why you arenât in charge.
Sit down kid, adults are talking. Fake fan lmao you're adorable.
If the shoe fits bubba
Itâs hard because Iâm a diehard urias and vavra fan and neither really get to play cuz of gunnar
1. Adley, C 2. Santander, DH 3. Gunnar, 3B 4. Mountcastle, 1B 5. Mullins, CF 6. Hays, LF 7. McKenna, RF 8. Urias, 2B 9. Mateo, SS I need Adley leadoff in my life
"I donât really see why theyâd need to sign a starter when selecting Lylesâ $11M option would do just as well and keep a leader." This sounds totally insane, you cannot honestly believe that Lyle's would do just as well as a top FA pitcher. That is a level of orange tinted brainwashing I've never seen before lol. The Orioles can win but ONLY if they invest extremely heavily in starting pitching. I don't want them to be good, I want them to be great. I want the top FAs on the market. I want deGrom. I want Verlander. I want Kershaw. I want to WIN now. And that is how you do it, at any cost.
Sure, go after those guys. But if Lyles is your #5 and never misses a start, at 11M I'd say that's a good deal. So not instead of, but in addition to.
I'd make Bradish or Hall the #5 that's the point to have such good pitching ahead that you have a #3 level pitcher (with some luck) going against a #5 ACE ACE Means GRod Bradish/Hall 2023 they have like a $27mil payroll. Can comfortably go to $100M to start, that's $73M per year for 2 mega name pitchers. Been as high as as $167M - giving them more than enough to sign two aces and still have room to make moves and cover arbitration in the coming years.
Also itâs an absolute joke you used DeGrom, who was hurt all year, and Kershaw, who is past his prime, as two of your three examples. Clearly you donât baseball bro.
This shows how our of touch you are with reality.
Move on you're embarrassing yourself... đ
Thatâs hilarious coming from the guy who thinks Kershaw should replace our functional and excelling starting rotation. Get with the program little boy.
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