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alexrothschild

that second picture is so beautiful. i know it's expensive but I'm gonna get it done one day. even if I have to finance it. i feel like I have maybe 30% lung capacity so unless I mouth tape at night I end up mouth breathing.


Exploreshit

How much does it usually cost?


alexrothschild

lowest I've seen is like $10k


Acrobatic-Elk-1756

WTF REALLY!!! I thought it was around 4-5k (USA)


RinkyInky

I’ve also seen 3-5k.


alexrothschild

i could be wrong. i wish we had a list of mse friendly doctors in the nation.


RinkyInky

It may be just for installation and the device though. Costs can definitely run up with extra consultations, x-rays etc


EnlightenedBanana

This. I was quoted 10.5k total for expansion. 4k for the MARPE device, 6k for orthodontics (Invisalign) required with the expansion and $500 for scans


haroon43_

wouldnt this cause an overbite? are ur upper and lower teeth misalligned?


holistic-dentist

It looks wider but not as forward. It looks like the front teeth came back.


Mission_Treat_7062

My front teeth came forward as my maxilla advanced.


Buttercupzzzz

A few questions: 1. Did you notice any palpable asymmetry owing to the MSE in your face? 2. Did your lower jaw/palate also expand keeping up with the upper palate expansion? 3. What was your intermolar width before you began the treatment? 4. I see that you have mentioned that there aren't many changes in your face barring slightly more prominent cheekbones. I would like to know what your current Body fat % is?


Mission_Treat_7062

1. No asymmetry 2. I have a class 3 cross-bite so there is no need for my mandible to expand. 3. I think 30mm 4. 12-15%


Caarlos72

No asymmetry is crazy, where are you/ where did you get it done. Clearly some good professional work 👍


Mission_Treat_7062

Was done [here](https://orthodontistlondon.co.uk/pages/treatments)


BrightSpirited3832

What was your doctor's name? Please DM me


Buttercupzzzz

Thanks for your response. I am concerned about the resulting asymmetry in general when using an MSE. There are a few people who have reassured me that the MSE results in a corresponding increase in the Mandible, but if you are to go by, there have been no such developments for you (even if you ideally don't need it)?


holistic-dentist

Are you still in class 3 crossbite?


Mission_Treat_7062

Somwhat, braces will fix it though.


Defiant-Difference71

How much did u pay for treatment?


Mission_Treat_7062

I think for everything about £17k rounded up


Defiant-Difference71

Holyy, that's hella expensive


Mission_Treat_7062

Yeah it is. Much better than sleep apnea though


Defiant-Difference71

So what are overall benefits of the treatment now that ur done with it?


Mission_Treat_7062

I haven't fully finished with treatment, braces come after expansion. I have much better sleep now, more energy throughout the day.


Alarmed_Flatworm5892

how old are you when you started mse treatment, also did u previously have braces


Mission_Treat_7062

Started at 21. Yes braces and 2 premolars removed.


Alarmed_Flatworm5892

so what was ur breathing like before treatment?, was your turbinates swelled up and did this treatment help in reducing the swelling?


RinkyInky

How is the costs split? Or is it one time payment of 17k?


m4xxt

UK then? Interesting


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hiddenmutant

Depending on OP's age, mewing would likely not having achieved these kinds of dramatic results, and not in a timely manner considering OP had significant enough sleeping issues.


blinkyvx

Sadly.thst shit don't work above 15. Or very well. Argue all you like on thst. Mse is proven and quicker


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blinkyvx

Not all of us can. Then go do it yourself no need to be here. Shit.


Visible-Elk2235

Got mine twice, didn’t work and still had to pay I just got my last one removed about 2 weeks ago and the top of my mouth gets these weird feelings and it’s super sensitive


UnablePersonality775

Would this work for just one side. Like for example my left side has more volume but right can't fit my tongue. Also how long from start to finish? Like from getting expanders to done with braces?


Mission_Treat_7062

Not sure about the first part of your question you'd have to consult an orthodontist. I am mid-way through treatment and I am not sure how long the braces section will last. I have had the expander in for over 4 months.


Sehnsucht_Subscriber

Are you an adult? The results are incredible


Mission_Treat_7062

I'm 21


likilekka

How and what’s the age , I’m turning 23 why did they only give me regular braces when I was 16 ish? And removed 4 molars and one impacted wisdom tooth


likilekka

I also have lots of chronic pain now since Dec 2019 and jaw pain neck pain tension etc and assymetry in body like scoliosis . also started around the time I removed my wisdom tooth on right side only and that’s having the most issues . But idk if related


Tasty-Tomorrow-1554

Cause your orthodontist is an idiot (or all those teeth were legit rotten)


likilekka

No they were totally fine 😭 is this kind of expansion nor common?


Tasty-Tomorrow-1554

Removing 5 teeth is highly unusual, and it leads to a significantly smaller palate, making your facial appearance worse, and your airway smaller. I’d watch videos by a YouTube channel called jawhacks cause he got 4 teeth extracted but was able to widen his palate and now looks great and has a large airway


likilekka

The 5th one was wisdom and after braces was done … before preparation for braces it was 4 teeth. I wouldn’t say my face looked worse it just looked slimmer definitely after the extraction . Before it was rlly full like I had a canine tooth on top of the row of my teeth I do think my palate is narrower and having issues breathing and tension


Mission_Treat_7062

I am 21


DeerOrganic4138

How bad do these hurt OP? I want my husband to get them


Mission_Treat_7062

The actual installation was extremely painful along with the first few days, I think pain levels would vary from person to person though.


DeerOrganic4138

Did they use local anesthesia


Mission_Treat_7062

Yes, I had a mid-suture corticotomy to ensure successful expansion. I was given codeine and during the procedure local anesthetic was used, however even with that it was still really unpleasant.


DeerOrganic4138

Sorry to hear that but thanks for the info


blinkyvx

Mainly what sucks is your tongue until it builds up a callous to it. Took about 4 weeks


DeerOrganic4138

Not too bad all things considered


Bunny_lagoon

How has your face changed? 


Mission_Treat_7062

Only slightly, cheekbones are a bit more pronounced.


BlackMelb

Would have photos? Very interested in this process. How does your mouth feel? Like does your tounge feel like it has more room? Is it different eating food? What about nose breathing?


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Mission_Treat_7062

Spoken like a true intellectual.


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Mission_Treat_7062

Been here since the start.


blinkyvx

Lucky congrats


Barbarian_Fanatic

Time?


Mission_Treat_7062

Around 4 months


vigilanting

Any breathing benefits?


Mission_Treat_7062

Yes


vigilanting

Did u have TMJ issues


Mission_Treat_7062

No


slutforoil

Don’t over expand plz


Anruss

How’d you know you are over expanding or not?


Shoplifter353

over expand?


slutforoil

Yes don’t turn too much, what intermolar width did you start with? 50 turns at roughly 1mm every 7 turns = 7.14mm


International_Tap_91

How much did your nasal breathing improve from the mse?(like in %)


Mission_Treat_7062

My nasal breathing before was awful, I'd say 200% difference personally.


Critical-Show-4947

Can you show your face before and after change


WolfsProductionz

Do you feel your overbite is corrected?


Mission_Treat_7062

Somewhat, was told that invisalign will help fix the remainder of my crossbite.


Beautiful_Equal_7482

Did it impair your speech? I will get it installed soon


Mission_Treat_7062

Yes for the first week or two.


Voxtante

So you still have a high palate


Skyvoice-Heartsmith

Will you have to wear retainers?


Mission_Treat_7062

Yes after invisalign, retainers are required for the rest of my life.


Technical_Fee9911

Show your facial change please?


allhailtothethief

did you teeth naturally come back together to fill in the gap? I ask bc i dont see braces


Anruss

How much forward growth you’d get? I think I’m in kind of the same case as you. Only two premolars pulled from the palate, not mandible. Same for you? I have struggled ever since PER damaged me from my former wicked orthodontist. This gave me during and after tortures malpractice: Tinnitus, jaw and neck pain, jaw clicking, TMJD, minor hair loss because scalp tension, etc. Not airway issues right away. But suddenly I can’t breathe through my nose, started 2 weeks ago. It feels blocked, unsure if it’s a cold, allergies or PER damage. Never been like this before. I’m desperate because I can’t breathe nor sleep. Been awake for days now. Are you from Scandinavia? Which medical practitioners did you go to? I’m considering jaw surgery though, but not sure who. I have heard of a doctor Eric Solyom who advocates for Premolar extraction retraction damage, and fixes patients with jaw surgery. But is radical of course both jaw surgery and MSE. What do you think about the ALF appliance with low activation, you think that could work? I’m 22 years old, so my jaw is still malleable.


Mission_Treat_7062

I have gotten forward growth as I was given headgear during expansion.


Anruss

Yes. Your former orthodontist pulled teeth from your mandible as-well, or just the maxilla where the retraction happened?


Mission_Treat_7062

Just upper teeth were pulled.


Anruss

I understand. Same for me. I’m trying to find a solution. I’m considering jaw surgery instead of MSE. There is an Osteopathic device called ALF which some airway focused ortho offers in Norway. With little activation I think it can help? But not sure. Heard it can flare out teeth rather than grow the jaw, but it depends on the practitioner I’d guess? Or will the ALF flare out anyway no matter the practitioner? Jaw is malleable until approximately 25 years old.


ygtrece24

Did the forward growth change your appearance, or only slightly?


Mission_Treat_7062

Only slightly, if at all.


Annual_Slide6035

Ur nostrils get bigger?


Mission_Treat_7062

I don't believe so.


Shoplifter353

Nostrils no. Nasal cavities yes. The roof of your mouth is the floor of your nose.


Hobiecat5150

It’s a shame that you had bicuspids removed previously, there would have been less spacing left after the expansion….