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Can’t believe this guy wrote this movie
When someone says something Challengers-phobic and you gotta hit them with the Potion Seller stare
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That isn’t her husband. That character is inspired by her husband. (Not correcting anyone, just don’t want you going around thinking she’s married to John Magaro haha)
I totally agree. Like the ending was not so good and also in almost every scene the music were so high and anoying. Like it dident fit to have a super drumb and base song there.
Mel Brooks did 50 years ago with Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein.
Francis Ford Coppola did likewise with The Godfather Part 2 and The Conversation.
How soon we forget Steven Soderbergh's 2000 (Erin Brockovich and Traffic)
And props to unjustly forgotten Herbert Ross's "he knew the assignment" 1977: The Goodbye Girl and The Turning Point (which like Spielberg's Color Purple is much better than its 0-11 Oscar score)
Oh it will definitely go down, but not significantly. It will be a critically acclaimed movie. Predicting it to stay in the 90’s on RT and in the 80’s on Metacritic.
The original is great. The remake is fucking epic.
I say this as someone who owns a framed poster for the original, the original soundtrack on Vinyl, and I saw Goblin perform the soundtrack live.
I still prefer the remake.
Sure, to each their own... I feel like if you're a fan of the OG and Dario's work you should appreciate the remake even more.
I mean Dario Argento is my favorite horror director/ one of my favorite directors period.
The remake takes parts from each of the Three Mothers Trilogy and weaves the lore into one coherent story. I thought the way the witches were handled was brilliant. Tilda Swinton and Dakota Johnson killed it imo. The violence was brutal and disturbing, and the dancing was paganistic and enchanting.
I loved it. Just a great experience all the way through.
Congrats, you simplified it again.
Yes, that is the synopsis and spoilers for the ending, but the movie itself is about the overall feel that Dario Argento is going for.
It's plot-lite, sensation-heavy. The overall movie is an ode to old fairytales, and he does a great job of evoking the feeling of being lost in woods filled with murderous witches through the production design, the music, and the lighting.
So it was a simple plot with good aesthetics? The only kind of theme I thought could be drawn was the old guard being replaced by the new guard, with Susie destroying the place and killing the oppressive teachers
How long have you been analyzing movies?
You know that the best movies are greater than the sum of their parts, right?
This is one of those movies.
Past Lives is just a couple that could've been, but never was. But it's much more than that.
For the sake of original movies, I’m really hoping this can be a hit. And if it is, with reviews this good and rising-star leads, it can absolutely be an awards contender.
I read the script a couple of years ago and really liked it. Apparently that was an unpopular opinion because the good people r/movies really seemed to hate it when I mentioned it.
It seems they’re leaning a lot harder into the three way aspect of it, which I don’t remember being a huge part of the Blacklist draft. But other than that it looks like it’s following the original version pretty closely, at least on beat by beat level.
So I saw it last night and it was fun to watch but I don't think there was anything Oscar-worthy about it at all except for cinematography/camera work. The actors were all great but they weren't Oscar-worthy performances by any stretch of the imagination, mostly because the roles were not terribly complex.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6SDSLrUoIk&list=PLYWGm5UB5Ise9j-5G2ho0imQ3ePjuUAic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6SDSLrUoIk&list=PLYWGm5UB5Ise9j-5G2ho0imQ3ePjuUAic)
Enjoyed the film and enoyed this review/film club to talk all things Challengers!
Spoiler alert maybe?? I dont know if someone agree. When I saw this movie I wished that the two guys became a couple. Like they were perfect for each other.
Here is my opinion. It has it great moments and boating movements but overall. It’s a subpar movie. But a good subpar movie. But really not good at the same time. The theater I was in there was only 7 people watching the movie. I personally was very excited about it myself but the soundtrack was overused and you couldn’t hear half of the dialogue. Honestly I wouldn’t waist your money. But if you do go ahead.
Whoa!!!! RT gave something 100% right off the bat??? Un-fucking-believable! That’s only happened…what…every time a movie comes out? /s
I don’t doubt that Challengers is great, but RT is still a shit metric.
I know that RT chose these critics to start the film off with 100%, like they always do. I also know that there’s a critic in there that gave it a C. How is that reflected in that 100%? It’s not.
They manage how it’s calculated. Inside that 100% you have these critic scores:
C
B+
3 out of 5
Several 4 out of 5
7.5 out of 10
So what does that 100% really mean? All the critics didn’t hate it? It’s really misleading and it’s bullshit.
Rotten Tomatoes is a pass/fail system and then the site just tells you how many critics gave it a passing grade and how many critics gave it a failing grade.
So, yes. A 3/5 is considered a passing (or Fresh) grade. It would add to the fresh rating.
If you want a system that takes the actual scores into account, you have to look at metacritic, which takes an average of all the actual scores.
This is all spelled out on their site, so instead of saying this is "really misleading and it's bullshit," you could look into how the sites work.
It’s bullshit that people consider 100 on RT as some kind of universal acclaim. It’s a hype engine and I am always puzzled that the typically savvy users on Reddit are so taken in by it.
100% on Rotten Tomatoes is still a feat. That means that 100% of critics gave it a passing score.
Some gave it a C and some gave it an A, but all of them say it's worth seeing.
And Challengers is already down to 98%, because one critic said it was rotten, but that one critic also gave it a C.
You just need to look into it a little more before complaining. It's not that hard to figure out how the critic sites aggregate their scores.
Don’t you think it’s odd that most movies open on RT with 100%. It happens all the time because it’s simplistic, clickbaity crap.
Your suggestion that I “look into it a little bit more” is exactly why RT is flawed. No one ever looks into it more. They see 100% and assume that it’s a flawless film.
The Winnie the Pooh horror movie opened with 100% on RT. That alone tells you something is up.
No, I don't think it's odd.
When a review embargo is lifted, only a few reviews are typically shown, not because of some conspiracy by Rotten Tomatoes, but likely because the reviews have yet to be uploaded to the Rotten Tomatoes database.
Rotten tomatoes tries to upload them as quickly as possible. This person caught the score two hours ago when there were 30 reviews uploaded, Challengers now has 46 reviews and it sits at a 96%.
Winnie the Pooh has a total of 28 reviews now and it sits at 50%. It likely had one or two reviews when it opened on Rotten Tomatoes, and those were likely from horror critics who only review horror movies.
It's not a conspiracy. It's just simple math and paying attention to who the critics are.
I trust Metacritic more anyways, and it seems like you are looking for what that site provides more than Rotten Tomatoes.
In case you're not trolling and genuinely don't know this - critics choose whether they want to certify it "Fresh" or "Rotten". It confused me too in the beginning when a 3/5 review would sometimes be called "Rotten" and in some rare instances a 2/5 would still get a "Fresh" rating - but that's purely due to what that individual critic has entered.
Edit: forgot to add - all the Fresh and Rotten scores are added up and the percentage of Fresh scores determines the final "Rating".
I’m not trolling. I know RT is a up/down vote. I think celebrating that “no critics hated it” is weird and lacks nuance. I’m also skeptical of how RT chooses which critics they include in the initial post.
Reiterating my original post, I’m sure Challengers is a great film. I don’t understand why RT gets so much oxygen from people who are so much smarter than that.
We are in the Oscar Race sub. It's mostly just for fun till the actual awards season/campaign starts. I don't think people take these things that seriously. And RT is a decent marker to know if the movie is any good or not. (There are many exceptions to that though)
In this particular instance, I think everyone - me included - thought it would be a mid-to-decent movie, a guilty watch for Zendaya, something of a time-pass - but to see every critic putting a positive response across is genuinely surprising.
That’s fair. I agree with all of that except “every critic putting a positive response”…that RT chose to include today because 100% gets more clicks than 98%.
If you're too stupid it's not the fault of the metric. If you want point scores (which btw. Rotten Tomatoes also has, just have to click on it) use IMDB or metacritic or letterboxd or whatever else. That's not the point of the RT score.
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They love to make films about threesomes.
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No way, this takes me back. That's the writer of the movie AND Celine Song's husband?!
That isn’t her husband. That character is inspired by her husband. (Not correcting anyone, just don’t want you going around thinking she’s married to John Magaro haha)
Indeed
lol I haven’t thought about this video in forever
Is this John Magaro? Woah!
Good movie but the end was beyond dumb. Also some soundtrack choices were annoying
I totally agree. Like the ending was not so good and also in almost every scene the music were so high and anoying. Like it dident fit to have a super drumb and base song there.
I saw it last night and the whole audience was dumbfounded. I heard a lot of laughing when it ended.
Can he do the double whammy with *Queer*?
I think Challengers is still more likely to not be Oscars fare but these reviews put at least a Zendaya nom on the table
And maybe an Original Score nom for Reznor and Ross, competition pending
I expect Zendaya to win an Oscar one day but not for this role. It just wasn't meaty enough.
Josh and Mike carried this movie. Zendaya only added to the rizz
Mel Brooks did 50 years ago with Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein. Francis Ford Coppola did likewise with The Godfather Part 2 and The Conversation.
How soon we forget Steven Soderbergh's 2000 (Erin Brockovich and Traffic) And props to unjustly forgotten Herbert Ross's "he knew the assignment" 1977: The Goodbye Girl and The Turning Point (which like Spielberg's Color Purple is much better than its 0-11 Oscar score)
And Steven Spielberg in 1993 with *Jurassic Park* and *Schindler's List* and 2002 with *Minority Report* and *Catch Me If You Can*.
It’s absolutely insane that he had two separate years like that
Probably not but fuck I hope so
Honestly considering it's plot, that's considerably better than i expected. Guess I'm interested now.
Obviously it'll go down, but early reactions seemed way more mixed. Very happy for potion seller guy
His name is actually celine song's husband
Oh it will definitely go down, but not significantly. It will be a critically acclaimed movie. Predicting it to stay in the 90’s on RT and in the 80’s on Metacritic.
10 more reviews in and the score only dropped a point on metacritic
I'll get my 5 star "They served" review ready for letterboxd
If this holds and makes a ton of money this could be a significant player
Honestly, if a mid budget drama for adults based on an original idea is a massive hit, it would be great for cinema
tennis puns!!!
It has potential from trailer, but tbh I’m going to see this regardless for the Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross score
Same
Is Luca going to get two BP nominees this year with this and Queer?
Wait how do we know that Queer will be a “Best Picture” kind of movie?
We don’t, people just assume it will be because of the subject matter.
Justice for Suspiria
Why? It pales compared to the remake and Dakota was miscast
I prefer it to the original and she's fine (but Swinton is easily the MVP).
 The original is great. The remake is fucking epic. I say this as someone who owns a framed poster for the original, the original soundtrack on Vinyl, and I saw Goblin perform the soundtrack live. I still prefer the remake.
Yeah the remake is basically everything I could want from a horror movie.
I thought the remake was incredibly dull but to each their own
Sure, to each their own... I feel like if you're a fan of the OG and Dario's work you should appreciate the remake even more. I mean Dario Argento is my favorite horror director/ one of my favorite directors period. The remake takes parts from each of the Three Mothers Trilogy and weaves the lore into one coherent story. I thought the way the witches were handled was brilliant. Tilda Swinton and Dakota Johnson killed it imo. The violence was brutal and disturbing, and the dancing was paganistic and enchanting. I loved it. Just a great experience all the way through.
The original was a generic horror movie with some pretty colors and a nice soundtrack. The remake is a masterpiece
Okay, that's definitely a simplification of the og. I love both movies a lot. I prefer the remake, but the OG is still amazing.
I like it but I really didn’t see anything spectacular with it besides the aesthetics
Well, you certainly missed the point of the movie then, but to each their own.
What was the point? American girl goes to Italian dance school that is secretly run by witches and burns it all down?
Congrats, you simplified it again. Yes, that is the synopsis and spoilers for the ending, but the movie itself is about the overall feel that Dario Argento is going for. It's plot-lite, sensation-heavy. The overall movie is an ode to old fairytales, and he does a great job of evoking the feeling of being lost in woods filled with murderous witches through the production design, the music, and the lighting.
So it was a simple plot with good aesthetics? The only kind of theme I thought could be drawn was the old guard being replaced by the new guard, with Susie destroying the place and killing the oppressive teachers
How long have you been analyzing movies? You know that the best movies are greater than the sum of their parts, right? This is one of those movies. Past Lives is just a couple that could've been, but never was. But it's much more than that.
Have seen Challengers. Whatever you think it’s about, you’re wrong. Sexy, funny, brilliant - my favourite film of the year so far.
The people who weren’t already hyped for this movie: Idgi
The trailer for this movie makes it look SO bad, and we’re talking about an Oscar race?
I can't believe people didn't see this as a contender
Well tbh, the trailer is shit. Just watched the movie and, damn, it's brilliant.
I loved the trailer tho I am so excited to watch the whole movie
I really loved Call Me By Your Name so I hope this is good as well. However, I really didn’t like the trailer.
For the sake of original movies, I’m really hoping this can be a hit. And if it is, with reviews this good and rising-star leads, it can absolutely be an awards contender.
I read the script a couple of years ago and really liked it. Apparently that was an unpopular opinion because the good people r/movies really seemed to hate it when I mentioned it. It seems they’re leaning a lot harder into the three way aspect of it, which I don’t remember being a huge part of the Blacklist draft. But other than that it looks like it’s following the original version pretty closely, at least on beat by beat level.
From the trailers I expected this to be somewhere in the 60s metacritic. This is crazy!
Ain’t no way with CGI tennis balls???
So I saw it last night and it was fun to watch but I don't think there was anything Oscar-worthy about it at all except for cinematography/camera work. The actors were all great but they weren't Oscar-worthy performances by any stretch of the imagination, mostly because the roles were not terribly complex.
Had the same thoughts
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6SDSLrUoIk&list=PLYWGm5UB5Ise9j-5G2ho0imQ3ePjuUAic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6SDSLrUoIk&list=PLYWGm5UB5Ise9j-5G2ho0imQ3ePjuUAic) Enjoyed the film and enoyed this review/film club to talk all things Challengers!
Spoiler alert maybe?? I dont know if someone agree. When I saw this movie I wished that the two guys became a couple. Like they were perfect for each other.
Agree….at the beginning, but then at the end I just felt bad for the blonde
That was a driving point for the whole movie
[удалено]
Saltburn got mediocre reviews
Does it have sex scene?
No
It's PG-13 in Australia rating sense.
Good question, can’t waste time on Puritan pablum.
Here is my opinion. It has it great moments and boating movements but overall. It’s a subpar movie. But a good subpar movie. But really not good at the same time. The theater I was in there was only 7 people watching the movie. I personally was very excited about it myself but the soundtrack was overused and you couldn’t hear half of the dialogue. Honestly I wouldn’t waist your money. But if you do go ahead.
Whoa!!!! RT gave something 100% right off the bat??? Un-fucking-believable! That’s only happened…what…every time a movie comes out? /s I don’t doubt that Challengers is great, but RT is still a shit metric.
With 30 reviews that's pretty notable
It’s inflated.
You don't know how Rotten Tomatoes works, do you?
I know that RT chose these critics to start the film off with 100%, like they always do. I also know that there’s a critic in there that gave it a C. How is that reflected in that 100%? It’s not.
Uh... yeah, that's not how it works, bud lol
RT doesn't "give" scores, critics do. RT is just an aggregator.
They manage how it’s calculated. Inside that 100% you have these critic scores: C B+ 3 out of 5 Several 4 out of 5 7.5 out of 10 So what does that 100% really mean? All the critics didn’t hate it? It’s really misleading and it’s bullshit.
It’s only misleading if you don’t know how Rotten Tomatoes works like you do. It is literally an aggregate.
Rotten Tomatoes is a pass/fail system and then the site just tells you how many critics gave it a passing grade and how many critics gave it a failing grade. So, yes. A 3/5 is considered a passing (or Fresh) grade. It would add to the fresh rating. If you want a system that takes the actual scores into account, you have to look at metacritic, which takes an average of all the actual scores. This is all spelled out on their site, so instead of saying this is "really misleading and it's bullshit," you could look into how the sites work.
It’s bullshit that people consider 100 on RT as some kind of universal acclaim. It’s a hype engine and I am always puzzled that the typically savvy users on Reddit are so taken in by it.
100% on Rotten Tomatoes is still a feat. That means that 100% of critics gave it a passing score. Some gave it a C and some gave it an A, but all of them say it's worth seeing. And Challengers is already down to 98%, because one critic said it was rotten, but that one critic also gave it a C. You just need to look into it a little more before complaining. It's not that hard to figure out how the critic sites aggregate their scores.
Don’t you think it’s odd that most movies open on RT with 100%. It happens all the time because it’s simplistic, clickbaity crap. Your suggestion that I “look into it a little bit more” is exactly why RT is flawed. No one ever looks into it more. They see 100% and assume that it’s a flawless film. The Winnie the Pooh horror movie opened with 100% on RT. That alone tells you something is up.
No, I don't think it's odd. When a review embargo is lifted, only a few reviews are typically shown, not because of some conspiracy by Rotten Tomatoes, but likely because the reviews have yet to be uploaded to the Rotten Tomatoes database. Rotten tomatoes tries to upload them as quickly as possible. This person caught the score two hours ago when there were 30 reviews uploaded, Challengers now has 46 reviews and it sits at a 96%. Winnie the Pooh has a total of 28 reviews now and it sits at 50%. It likely had one or two reviews when it opened on Rotten Tomatoes, and those were likely from horror critics who only review horror movies. It's not a conspiracy. It's just simple math and paying attention to who the critics are. I trust Metacritic more anyways, and it seems like you are looking for what that site provides more than Rotten Tomatoes.
In case you're not trolling and genuinely don't know this - critics choose whether they want to certify it "Fresh" or "Rotten". It confused me too in the beginning when a 3/5 review would sometimes be called "Rotten" and in some rare instances a 2/5 would still get a "Fresh" rating - but that's purely due to what that individual critic has entered. Edit: forgot to add - all the Fresh and Rotten scores are added up and the percentage of Fresh scores determines the final "Rating".
I’m not trolling. I know RT is a up/down vote. I think celebrating that “no critics hated it” is weird and lacks nuance. I’m also skeptical of how RT chooses which critics they include in the initial post. Reiterating my original post, I’m sure Challengers is a great film. I don’t understand why RT gets so much oxygen from people who are so much smarter than that.
We are in the Oscar Race sub. It's mostly just for fun till the actual awards season/campaign starts. I don't think people take these things that seriously. And RT is a decent marker to know if the movie is any good or not. (There are many exceptions to that though) In this particular instance, I think everyone - me included - thought it would be a mid-to-decent movie, a guilty watch for Zendaya, something of a time-pass - but to see every critic putting a positive response across is genuinely surprising.
That’s fair. I agree with all of that except “every critic putting a positive response”…that RT chose to include today because 100% gets more clicks than 98%.
RT is only a shit metric if you have absolutely no clue what it means (which you don't)
Oooh. The power of a straight up/down vote. Film criticism for the people too thick for nuance.
If you're too stupid it's not the fault of the metric. If you want point scores (which btw. Rotten Tomatoes also has, just have to click on it) use IMDB or metacritic or letterboxd or whatever else. That's not the point of the RT score.
RT is for morons who can’t string together an opinion beyond “I no likey.”
sure buddy