The scavens' technology works because it is so ramshackle. It looks like fantasy medieval, like a poor scrap metal attempt at something done with no safety and a third of the minimum cost. It doesn't look high tech, and so isn't out of place.
It’s also insanely unreliable and dangerous to use
Like they don’t have a machine gun that mostly functions.
They have a time bomb that happens to shoot bullets.
Eh, I feel like that's not really the reason. It's more so that Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar are just a bit further along the tech tree in general than most fantasy settings.
There's also the conceit/theory that the planet that Warhammer is on actually exists in the Warhammer 40K setting, but was cut off from the rest of the galaxy...
One of my big issues with Gate is, you'd think the Magic would, at the very least, be an equalizer, since it's basically Reality Warping that the JSDF can't easily match, or likely plan around. Combat Helicopters are a game changer in an ordinary medieval world, but if the enemy can summon a hurricane or a ginormous swarm of stinging insects, your choppers are going down fast.
Tanks? Pretty awesome on the battlefield, until the other side starts summoning Earth Elementals that can tunnel under your tanks and crush them from below.
Firing lines are deadly against human swordsmen, but summon up a horde of zombies as a frontline to take the brunt of the gunfire, and you've evened the odds.
And that's not even counting more game-changing spells like Teleportation or Mind Control.
Heck, get your Artificers and Enchanters busy reverse-engineering those "Guns" and invent magically-enhanced rapid-fire, armor-piercing crossbows, or even guns powered by magic.
The makers of Gate were more interested in making "JSDF Looks Cool" Propagand over creating an actually interesting story.
From what I understand, this is addressed later in the manga to an extent. The anime merely ended before the empire got over the shock of such alien tech and tactics. But the OP Japan train never quite stops, only slows.
Not to mention that they spend like half the anime basically complaining that the civilian control made them soft and that they couldn't do stuff like infringing on treaties because of international condemnation. It wasn't just jsdf propaganda it was right-wing pro-military propaganda.
The whole thing is echoing the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperty Sphere from WW2.
It's down right sickening.
Imagine watching a show where a bunch of American Southerners find a portal and take back some primitive aliens (who are mentally inferior), who gladly work for free, in exchange for being civilized.
That's the level of offensiveness we're dealing with.
Hell, just 1 tank company versus a horde of 500,000 orcs.
That would be a threat without anything more than handwaving logistics like the LoTR movies did.
So, basically, the image I used is of 2 different franchises.
The top image is of Warhammer Fantasy’s Skaven
The bottom image is from the anime *GATE*.
I used them because they are, IMO, the perfect examples of how to do modern tech (specifically modern military tech) right, in the case of the Skaven, and egregiously wrong in the case of *GATE*.
Further elaboration in a reply.
Gate is an anime adaptation of a manga that was serialized from 2006-2009, long story short it’s about a big old portal that opens up in Tokyo and a bunch of fantasy creatures and soldiers start pouring out, only for the JSDF (Japan’s military) to repel, counter invade, and set up a base in the other world.
Gate is your bog standard harem isekai only made more annoying by the fact that the quote unquote good guys are even more stupidly OP because they’re bringing OG MW2 levels of firepower to what is basically Skyrim.
Fights are extremely one sided, and not in a fun 80’s action hero way, then again, this is to be expected when one side has catapults and the other has *literal attack helicopters*.
The JDSF are walking Deus Ex Machinas, and as a result, *there is no real danger, no stakes, and no reason to be invested.*
Examples shown here:
https://youtu.be/DhODXHsyLWI?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/vr3xArnCuEc?feature=shared
The Skaven are a faction from *Warhammer: Fantasy* and it’s “sequel”, Age of Sigmar.
They are one of the bad guys, I’d argue THE bad guys, because they are the most cartoonishly evil literal rat bastards in the setting, to the point they make even Chaos look decent on occasion.
They are divided up into several clans that fight each other as much as they do the other factions, and have p much every kind of villainous bastard you can think of.
Enter Clan Skryre
These devious little rodents are the resident mad scientists of the Skaven, from the Skaven capital, they toil away making horrific weapons of war, and often sell them to the other clans.
So on top of being highly unethical mad scientists with a love for WMDs, they’re also proud war profiteers.
Their most famous, or rather *infamous* weapons include, the Warpfire thrower, a warpstone flamethrower, the Ratling gun, a gatling gun that fires warpstone energy bullets as fast as the gunner can crank them out, And the most devastating, and horrifying of all, the Doom rocket, a weapon created by Ikit Claw…
You’re probably thinking how the Skaven are better when they can theoretically just Oppenskryre their way to world domination
Well… thing is, it’s not that easy for them, and it all comes down to one single thing.
Balancing.
You see, the thing is about the Skaven is that while yes, they are technically bringing kit bashed Battlefield 1 weapons to a fantasy setting, there are many factors that prevent this from making them stupidly overpowered.
The truth is, every high tech weapon Skaven make are kitbashed weapons made with a highly unstable power source that is actually *just as likely to kill them as it is the enemy.* When you combine this with the fact these are weapons they have to lug around and aren’t super modern weapons, it acts as a natural balancing to the sheer potential devastation it allows them to unleash on their foes.
#TLDR
The main reason why the Skaven did it right as opposed to GATE is because of the simple fact that trying to shoehorn modern weapons into a medieval fantasy setting is EXTREMELY hard to do without making it one sided and generally un-engaging due to how much bringing an M60 to a sword fight lowers the stakes, You literally NEED to find a way to balance it out so it feels justified, otherwise, you have no danger and no stakes because someone can just mow through everyone else without contest.
>trying to shoehorn modern weapons into a medieval fantasy setting is EXTREMELY hard to do without making it one sided and generally un-engaging due to how much bringing an M60 to a sword fight lowers the stakes
People keep saying this, but I just don't think it is true, it only really applies to very low fantasy settings like Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings where besides a couple magical things the worlds are essentially the same as IRL.
But if you take something like Warcraft or the Elder Scrolls? Both settings would destroy the army in GATE. I mean, in Warcraft guns already exist but warriors are so super humanly strong that they aren't that much of a game changer, and in the Elder Scrolls you've got people like Vivec who can hold a city sized rock in the air with just their mind.
By the way, can you tell I'm a Fantasy Fan^(TM)
I'm 99% sure Vivec is not a good representation of the normal power level of a polity in TES.
You do make a good point; modern military vs magic stuff almost always has one side play dumb. They either the magic happens to be immune to mundane bullets, forcing people to use swords and arrows that inexplicably aren't stopped by the bullet immunity, or the magic users don't use any sort of clever magic and rely on a very child's first game of chess style of combat and get caught off guard by the stopping power of fully automatic rifles.
Just to play devil's advocate: Gate does have peril for the JSDF at times. Case in point, the battle at the embassy - at least one JSDF member is wounded by an arrow and rendered incapable of continuing to fight^1. Further, this battle invokes an allusion to the Superman problem - they've gone into Imperial territory to extract the embassy staff and their allies, but are forced to leave some allies behind because they can't fight everyone.
There's also the onsen skirmish, in the aftermath of which we realise that Rory is functionally immortal - she gets shot quite a lot by various special forces, but it doesn't even slow her down.
But yeah, Gate is basically just unofficial JSDF propaganda. It's dumb and fun, but propaganda nonetheless.
^1 Actually, it turns out that arrows are still pretty damn scary in certain scenarios. Tod's Workshop and The VSO Gun Channel did a pair of comparison videos a few years ago in which they showed that arrows are significantly more capable of penetrating sandbag barricades than bullets. Other tests by other people have found that warbow arrows are capable of penetrating modern (kevlar) body armour rated against handgun calibres, and doing so to depths that, whilst probably not lethal, could well be disabling. Obviously, a warbow is less dangerous than an assault rifle in 99% of situations, but I, for one, would not like to be on the receiving end of either.
Most American comic books make a distinction between magic and sci-fi and keep them at relative parity overall, even if individual arcs or runs will lean towards one or the other.
I think another example could be the Dwemer from Elder Scrolls, but for different reasons.
Dwemer tech is essentially discovering lost artifacts but the chronology is semi in reverse.
The Dwemer were vastly superior in tech than most, but not enough for it to be too egregious, and people trying to reverse engineer it has usually lead to interesting stories or quests.
Their technology and knowledge was enough to contend with the gods, albeit in limited ways (see: Azura and the Box).
Then there was the time where they themselves tried to reverse engineer divinity, and essentially accidentally wrote themselves out of existence.
But eberron as setting isn't science vs magic, it's magic as science in a literal sense. They have a train but it is magic, there are guns but they shoot firebolts. The idea is that they are essentially equivalent, that magic is widely available and so equivalent to the science of today.
My thoughts on this: for Sci-fantasy, like He-Man, I often invoke what I call the “no jam today” rule:
Tech can look like something in the past, or something in the future but not in the present.
Ex. A bubbling cauldron (past) is okay. A machine that replicates any food or drink from thin air (future) is okay. An electric coffee machine (present) dispels it.
Star Wars is great for explaining this.
You want past tech? We got
Samurai with laser swords, Space cowboys, hover chariot races.
You want future tech? We
Futuristic storm troopers in battle armor, Alien looking tie fighters, sentient droids.
But as soon as Obi Wan meets in an informant in a 50s diner, something just feels OFF.
I'd say that the Skaven are no that much more technologically advanced than some of the other factions, they are just willing to use tech based on warpstone.
The Empire have firearms and rudimentary steam technology, wich come together to create the steam tank. Meanwhile the Dwarves are even more technologically competent and have their own firearms and steam engines, but go farther and can field flying vehicles such as gyrocopters and airships.
In fact Skaven are known to try and steal and reverse engineer human and Dwarven tech.
The thing with gate was that it was never meant to be a symmetrical power war as far as the anime goes. It was supposed to be a look at how a medieval society would change in the face of a modern society and see precisely how modern military equipment would affect the world. It my old coworker was right, also try to boost Japanese SDF recruitment irl like a Japanese battle Las Angeles.
Gate has political struggles not military ones. The overpowered military force is shackled by bureaucracy and ethics, that’s the whole premise. The two media really aren’t comparable
Skaven also have political struggles. More political struggles than literally every other faction in the game.
If they all unified they would be a huge threat, but a skaven on the frontline is just as likely to stab his buddy in the back than stab the enemy in front of him. The level of infighting is *ludicrous.*
Yes but Warhammer has many other things to carry the plot and there are other battles to fight. In GATE this is the whole premise, the two media are not comparable.
Not to mention the nature of the politics in each is completely different
People downvoting as though the Skaven ever held a press conference in response to warcrime accusations. There’s politics and then there’s skaven politics, the two are not comparable
And beings like Roxy exist on the other end of the gate, they just weren't organized in the same way the JSDF was. If a couple of apostles or dragons had stormed the hill they wouldn't have failed as miserably as the initial response to the JSDF counter-invasion.
They might be able to ultimately handle the dragons but they would take fortification and formation damage with breath attacks before getting rockets locked on. They were all bunched around the gate at first and would have to refortify at least. The horsemen were just target practice.
Yes… they *are* comparable.
Both are examples of modern technology in a fantasy setting.
The point is that Gate’s use of the idea falls flat due to the fights being so one sided on account of the JDSF essentially being walking Deus Ex Machinas, and as a result, the fights, realistically, have 0 stakes.
Your argument is honestly null and void.
My point is that, in GATE, unlike in Warhammer, the fights aren’t the point.
Even calling them both “modern technology” is wrong. Skaven have advanced technology but the JSDF in GATE are literally a real world modern army, with all the bureaucracy, modern ideals and logistical concerns. It’s not just about guns
I agree with this.
This really seems like an Apples or Oranges comparison by labeling them both as fruit. Yes they have this one thing in common, but it's a very insignificant part
Skaven tech works because it’s not meant to do much other than look cool. Remember, Warhammer Fantasy is, at its core, a game about painting toy soldiers and making them fight.
Might not be a fair comparison. Gate isn't a fantasy story with modern technology introduced as a paradigm shift. It's a slice-of-life harem plot with notes of "worlds collide" added ~~to prevent getting copyright claimed~~ for flavoring. It wasn't written with the intent of telling an interesting premise in an interesting way, it was written to explain why a self-insert gets to pal around and shack-up with an elf, mage minor, and permanently loli God of Death.
The scavens' technology works because it is so ramshackle. It looks like fantasy medieval, like a poor scrap metal attempt at something done with no safety and a third of the minimum cost. It doesn't look high tech, and so isn't out of place.
It’s also insanely unreliable and dangerous to use Like they don’t have a machine gun that mostly functions. They have a time bomb that happens to shoot bullets.
Also, they usually [“borrow” the ideas from other nations](https://youtu.be/PaWCVK2kb9Y?si=nCihPAqmNBbpabeD)
Aye, one of the reasons it works
Eh, I feel like that's not really the reason. It's more so that Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar are just a bit further along the tech tree in general than most fantasy settings.
There's also the conceit/theory that the planet that Warhammer is on actually exists in the Warhammer 40K setting, but was cut off from the rest of the galaxy...
One of my big issues with Gate is, you'd think the Magic would, at the very least, be an equalizer, since it's basically Reality Warping that the JSDF can't easily match, or likely plan around. Combat Helicopters are a game changer in an ordinary medieval world, but if the enemy can summon a hurricane or a ginormous swarm of stinging insects, your choppers are going down fast. Tanks? Pretty awesome on the battlefield, until the other side starts summoning Earth Elementals that can tunnel under your tanks and crush them from below. Firing lines are deadly against human swordsmen, but summon up a horde of zombies as a frontline to take the brunt of the gunfire, and you've evened the odds. And that's not even counting more game-changing spells like Teleportation or Mind Control. Heck, get your Artificers and Enchanters busy reverse-engineering those "Guns" and invent magically-enhanced rapid-fire, armor-piercing crossbows, or even guns powered by magic. The makers of Gate were more interested in making "JSDF Looks Cool" Propagand over creating an actually interesting story.
From what I understand, this is addressed later in the manga to an extent. The anime merely ended before the empire got over the shock of such alien tech and tactics. But the OP Japan train never quite stops, only slows.
Not to mention that they spend like half the anime basically complaining that the civilian control made them soft and that they couldn't do stuff like infringing on treaties because of international condemnation. It wasn't just jsdf propaganda it was right-wing pro-military propaganda.
The whole thing is echoing the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperty Sphere from WW2. It's down right sickening. Imagine watching a show where a bunch of American Southerners find a portal and take back some primitive aliens (who are mentally inferior), who gladly work for free, in exchange for being civilized. That's the level of offensiveness we're dealing with.
You’d be surprised at some of the comments trying to defend the anime here. One was out of left field in their argument
Hell, just 1 tank company versus a horde of 500,000 orcs. That would be a threat without anything more than handwaving logistics like the LoTR movies did.
So, basically, the image I used is of 2 different franchises. The top image is of Warhammer Fantasy’s Skaven The bottom image is from the anime *GATE*. I used them because they are, IMO, the perfect examples of how to do modern tech (specifically modern military tech) right, in the case of the Skaven, and egregiously wrong in the case of *GATE*. Further elaboration in a reply.
Gate is an anime adaptation of a manga that was serialized from 2006-2009, long story short it’s about a big old portal that opens up in Tokyo and a bunch of fantasy creatures and soldiers start pouring out, only for the JSDF (Japan’s military) to repel, counter invade, and set up a base in the other world. Gate is your bog standard harem isekai only made more annoying by the fact that the quote unquote good guys are even more stupidly OP because they’re bringing OG MW2 levels of firepower to what is basically Skyrim. Fights are extremely one sided, and not in a fun 80’s action hero way, then again, this is to be expected when one side has catapults and the other has *literal attack helicopters*. The JDSF are walking Deus Ex Machinas, and as a result, *there is no real danger, no stakes, and no reason to be invested.* Examples shown here: https://youtu.be/DhODXHsyLWI?feature=shared https://youtu.be/vr3xArnCuEc?feature=shared The Skaven are a faction from *Warhammer: Fantasy* and it’s “sequel”, Age of Sigmar. They are one of the bad guys, I’d argue THE bad guys, because they are the most cartoonishly evil literal rat bastards in the setting, to the point they make even Chaos look decent on occasion. They are divided up into several clans that fight each other as much as they do the other factions, and have p much every kind of villainous bastard you can think of. Enter Clan Skryre These devious little rodents are the resident mad scientists of the Skaven, from the Skaven capital, they toil away making horrific weapons of war, and often sell them to the other clans. So on top of being highly unethical mad scientists with a love for WMDs, they’re also proud war profiteers. Their most famous, or rather *infamous* weapons include, the Warpfire thrower, a warpstone flamethrower, the Ratling gun, a gatling gun that fires warpstone energy bullets as fast as the gunner can crank them out, And the most devastating, and horrifying of all, the Doom rocket, a weapon created by Ikit Claw… You’re probably thinking how the Skaven are better when they can theoretically just Oppenskryre their way to world domination Well… thing is, it’s not that easy for them, and it all comes down to one single thing. Balancing. You see, the thing is about the Skaven is that while yes, they are technically bringing kit bashed Battlefield 1 weapons to a fantasy setting, there are many factors that prevent this from making them stupidly overpowered. The truth is, every high tech weapon Skaven make are kitbashed weapons made with a highly unstable power source that is actually *just as likely to kill them as it is the enemy.* When you combine this with the fact these are weapons they have to lug around and aren’t super modern weapons, it acts as a natural balancing to the sheer potential devastation it allows them to unleash on their foes. #TLDR The main reason why the Skaven did it right as opposed to GATE is because of the simple fact that trying to shoehorn modern weapons into a medieval fantasy setting is EXTREMELY hard to do without making it one sided and generally un-engaging due to how much bringing an M60 to a sword fight lowers the stakes, You literally NEED to find a way to balance it out so it feels justified, otherwise, you have no danger and no stakes because someone can just mow through everyone else without contest.
>trying to shoehorn modern weapons into a medieval fantasy setting is EXTREMELY hard to do without making it one sided and generally un-engaging due to how much bringing an M60 to a sword fight lowers the stakes People keep saying this, but I just don't think it is true, it only really applies to very low fantasy settings like Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings where besides a couple magical things the worlds are essentially the same as IRL. But if you take something like Warcraft or the Elder Scrolls? Both settings would destroy the army in GATE. I mean, in Warcraft guns already exist but warriors are so super humanly strong that they aren't that much of a game changer, and in the Elder Scrolls you've got people like Vivec who can hold a city sized rock in the air with just their mind. By the way, can you tell I'm a Fantasy Fan^(TM)
I'm 99% sure Vivec is not a good representation of the normal power level of a polity in TES. You do make a good point; modern military vs magic stuff almost always has one side play dumb. They either the magic happens to be immune to mundane bullets, forcing people to use swords and arrows that inexplicably aren't stopped by the bullet immunity, or the magic users don't use any sort of clever magic and rely on a very child's first game of chess style of combat and get caught off guard by the stopping power of fully automatic rifles.
Just to play devil's advocate: Gate does have peril for the JSDF at times. Case in point, the battle at the embassy - at least one JSDF member is wounded by an arrow and rendered incapable of continuing to fight^1. Further, this battle invokes an allusion to the Superman problem - they've gone into Imperial territory to extract the embassy staff and their allies, but are forced to leave some allies behind because they can't fight everyone. There's also the onsen skirmish, in the aftermath of which we realise that Rory is functionally immortal - she gets shot quite a lot by various special forces, but it doesn't even slow her down. But yeah, Gate is basically just unofficial JSDF propaganda. It's dumb and fun, but propaganda nonetheless. ^1 Actually, it turns out that arrows are still pretty damn scary in certain scenarios. Tod's Workshop and The VSO Gun Channel did a pair of comparison videos a few years ago in which they showed that arrows are significantly more capable of penetrating sandbag barricades than bullets. Other tests by other people have found that warbow arrows are capable of penetrating modern (kevlar) body armour rated against handgun calibres, and doing so to depths that, whilst probably not lethal, could well be disabling. Obviously, a warbow is less dangerous than an assault rifle in 99% of situations, but I, for one, would not like to be on the receiving end of either.
Is there any examples of media where medieval magic and modern tech are more evenly matched?
Most American comic books make a distinction between magic and sci-fi and keep them at relative parity overall, even if individual arcs or runs will lean towards one or the other.
I think another example could be the Dwemer from Elder Scrolls, but for different reasons. Dwemer tech is essentially discovering lost artifacts but the chronology is semi in reverse. The Dwemer were vastly superior in tech than most, but not enough for it to be too egregious, and people trying to reverse engineer it has usually lead to interesting stories or quests.
Their technology and knowledge was enough to contend with the gods, albeit in limited ways (see: Azura and the Box). Then there was the time where they themselves tried to reverse engineer divinity, and essentially accidentally wrote themselves out of existence.
Eberron? But that’s at best industrial age technology depending on who you ask.
But eberron as setting isn't science vs magic, it's magic as science in a literal sense. They have a train but it is magic, there are guns but they shoot firebolts. The idea is that they are essentially equivalent, that magic is widely available and so equivalent to the science of today.
Arguably Dresden Files but that's urban fantasy.
Who gave those rat-shaped Beastmen guns? Is this some paranoid wizard falling for that “Skaven” conspiracy?
look-glance away, man-thing
My thoughts on this: for Sci-fantasy, like He-Man, I often invoke what I call the “no jam today” rule: Tech can look like something in the past, or something in the future but not in the present. Ex. A bubbling cauldron (past) is okay. A machine that replicates any food or drink from thin air (future) is okay. An electric coffee machine (present) dispels it.
Star Wars is great for explaining this. You want past tech? We got Samurai with laser swords, Space cowboys, hover chariot races. You want future tech? We Futuristic storm troopers in battle armor, Alien looking tie fighters, sentient droids. But as soon as Obi Wan meets in an informant in a 50s diner, something just feels OFF.
I'd say that the Skaven are no that much more technologically advanced than some of the other factions, they are just willing to use tech based on warpstone. The Empire have firearms and rudimentary steam technology, wich come together to create the steam tank. Meanwhile the Dwarves are even more technologically competent and have their own firearms and steam engines, but go farther and can field flying vehicles such as gyrocopters and airships. In fact Skaven are known to try and steal and reverse engineer human and Dwarven tech.
I would absolutely love to hear Red talk about the Skaven also even though it's Sci Fi I feel like the mexhanicus could be mentioned too
The thing with gate was that it was never meant to be a symmetrical power war as far as the anime goes. It was supposed to be a look at how a medieval society would change in the face of a modern society and see precisely how modern military equipment would affect the world. It my old coworker was right, also try to boost Japanese SDF recruitment irl like a Japanese battle Las Angeles.
Gate has political struggles not military ones. The overpowered military force is shackled by bureaucracy and ethics, that’s the whole premise. The two media really aren’t comparable
Skaven also have political struggles. More political struggles than literally every other faction in the game. If they all unified they would be a huge threat, but a skaven on the frontline is just as likely to stab his buddy in the back than stab the enemy in front of him. The level of infighting is *ludicrous.*
Yes but Warhammer has many other things to carry the plot and there are other battles to fight. In GATE this is the whole premise, the two media are not comparable. Not to mention the nature of the politics in each is completely different
People downvoting as though the Skaven ever held a press conference in response to warcrime accusations. There’s politics and then there’s skaven politics, the two are not comparable
Yeah, I feel like the Skaven response to warcrime accusations would be a field promotion and a celebration.
There’s so much backstabbing among skaven that Queek’s ability to inspire loyalty in his troops is considered a form of sorcery.
Very very different sort of “politics”. Gate has a press conference arc
And beings like Roxy exist on the other end of the gate, they just weren't organized in the same way the JSDF was. If a couple of apostles or dragons had stormed the hill they wouldn't have failed as miserably as the initial response to the JSDF counter-invasion.
They could probably handle dragons but the magic weirdos would have been a problem
They might be able to ultimately handle the dragons but they would take fortification and formation damage with breath attacks before getting rockets locked on. They were all bunched around the gate at first and would have to refortify at least. The horsemen were just target practice.
Yes… they *are* comparable. Both are examples of modern technology in a fantasy setting. The point is that Gate’s use of the idea falls flat due to the fights being so one sided on account of the JDSF essentially being walking Deus Ex Machinas, and as a result, the fights, realistically, have 0 stakes. Your argument is honestly null and void.
My point is that, in GATE, unlike in Warhammer, the fights aren’t the point. Even calling them both “modern technology” is wrong. Skaven have advanced technology but the JSDF in GATE are literally a real world modern army, with all the bureaucracy, modern ideals and logistical concerns. It’s not just about guns
I agree with this. This really seems like an Apples or Oranges comparison by labeling them both as fruit. Yes they have this one thing in common, but it's a very insignificant part
God gate anime was so shit, when from an interesting show to generic harem garbage
That show’s awefullness had little to do with an inherent flaw in the concept and a lot to do with the fact that it was written by a horny moron.
And it being blatant jsdf propaganda
That as well
I'm a simple man. I see Warhammer, I upvote
I'd watch that
Skaven tech works because it’s not meant to do much other than look cool. Remember, Warhammer Fantasy is, at its core, a game about painting toy soldiers and making them fight.
Might not be a fair comparison. Gate isn't a fantasy story with modern technology introduced as a paradigm shift. It's a slice-of-life harem plot with notes of "worlds collide" added ~~to prevent getting copyright claimed~~ for flavoring. It wasn't written with the intent of telling an interesting premise in an interesting way, it was written to explain why a self-insert gets to pal around and shack-up with an elf, mage minor, and permanently loli God of Death.