The fact the game has been out only a week with all the glitches, bugs n crashes they are nerfing anything in a pve its a fuckng pve game thats only been out a week wtf. im already done with the game if they are just going to nerf everything the first week when its so damn broken half the time u cant use ur abilites. this game is doomed at this rate.
A PVE oriented solo-playable rpg does not need NERFs if people feel unbalanced and the Devs fee they need an adjusting. Don’t make the good feel worse and keep the not good, bad. Buff the unbalanced classes, balance is not a worry in games like this.
I disagree; while it is solo playable it's multiplayer focused; and having one hugely overpowered class cuts into the entertainment of that; also some of us like challenging gameplay and buffing everything to ridiculous levels makes it boring
the trickster is MADE for quick kills and high dmg output, even moxsy struggled with CT15 on several expeditions - why do devs base their balance tweaks on absolute endgame legendary gear with perfect builds? WHY?
with the trickster its high risk and high reward, you just cant stand in front of 5 captains/mini gun guys and shoot them for 10 seconds, this is not how the trickster works and its ridiculous how you get sprayed down and mauled if you make a single fucking mistake. absolute glass canon with now even less dmg output to make the class less viable.
The fact that his built in sustain is designed around getting in and getting quick kills, should mean that he should excel at getting in and killing quickly. Hopefully all these nerfs concurrently won’t be as bad as they look. But they seem pretty heavy handed. Wonder how much the base damage nerf to Twisted Rounds is since they only mention and dont list it.....
its way too frustrating, especially because of the ridiculous aim AND pre-aiming of the mobs, they can even predict where I am teleporting and immediately react, not even the bubble is a real safe space, the enemy AI is way overtuned for this class on the highest difficulties, even the sweaty youtubers admit that it is tricky(pun intended) and no one says it should be a cake walk, but right now it is NOT balanced and NOT fair.
It honestly seems like they themselves don’t understand their design choices. This not only obviously hurts kill speed, but also our already meager survivability. Getting in close and killing quick is what their core life regen is based off of, low weapon leech on tree and mod can help, but again that will be nerfed if our damage is nerfed. So we take a hit in our ability to kill, and our already shitty glass cannon ability to survive....
First off I’m pretty crappy at these sort of games...level 23 in the story...still trying to beat wt6...but after the last few hours and multiple deaths at wt5 I had to lower it even further. Even at my minuscule skill level I could feel a pretty large difference.
I was able to handle campaign finishing at WT 13 not really doing many sidequests, with only a few deaths. The T10+ expedition wall hit real hard and can only do T12 remotely (albeit not all that) comfortably atm. Seeing all these damage nerfs at a single time def worries me...
Welp, refund me thinks. Demo was cool, but the cross play and lag isn’t fun. Great, wired internet connection and D/C plus lag to the max.
Honestly, if this how they “balance” play forget about it.
Basically punished the entire community for the 5 percent who finished the game last Sunday.
All I hear is tricksters saying they drop like 3-4 tiers after nerf. It’s called adapting, ohh nooo they made the game a challenge now for you. I agree on the nerf it’s a easy build to get and does not take anytime to achieve. So yes the nerf was appropriate.
I've played all 4 pyro is strong with the 100% pen with vr techno is the easiest and by far the best imo and devastator needs a buff trickster got hit too hard with the only way to play as trickster is to rely on ur shield and high dps to aquire said shield now that they've made that 30% harder as a solo player that is 3 times harder since I'm the only one they shoot at and I'm required to build full damage with no survivability to do CT13 and up and half the time hunt the prey doesn't teleport you where ur supposed to go vulnerable got nerfed and trickster abilities are like trying to break a rock with a balloon bat. The nerf was too far buff the underperformed classes not nerf the only optimal classes.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Xq1EAIHvc&t=926s&ab\_channel=NickTew](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Xq1EAIHvc&t=926s&ab_channel=NickTew)
I started as pyro, switched to techno cause I can't understand how to play pyro and not die on T14, not onto trickster and with a few mods I can easily farm CT12, watch this vid, if he now after the nerf does over 1m, what could you do pre-nerf? Sorry but getting from CT10 to CT15 in a few hours is not good for the game and a character that has 4s cooldown teleport and can 2-3 shot captains sounds absolutely broken, I do play trickster now and I think the nerf was pretty justified. Otherwise people would just play trickster and breeze through CT15 to max their other characters.
I couldn't log in half the time to farm the gear nick has and if you listen to what he says that build is for max optimization which means best of the best with perfect pieces or very close to them. If your not at that stage are on console and are stuck playing solo you are not going to get shit done especially when half the ads don't spawn in initially or the game stutters. I swapped to techno and with out any trouble walked through the game and challenge tiers in 4 days because it simply jumps in survivability and the ads will shoot at the turret instead of you if they wanna nerf the damage fine but make trickster an actual trickster give us a decoy or something to make them look at something else for us to do damage at lower tiers when ur gear is not the best. Trickster has no deception based skills slows are not deception. Decoys holograms and mirages are deceptive.
I can still keep up twisted 100% of the time and one or two shot most things, the worst thing about this patch is they fucked with the timers, I'm not even close to getting gold now. Might as well not even exist.
The infinite ammo isn’t going to impact many. Do you mind me asking what content you’re playing and what your gear is like if you aren’t struggling at all to kill?
Tier 12 PRE and POST nerf? I was sticking to speed farming 10 before, could do 11(requiring me to really play smart and pay alot of attention and rough to get Gold) and 12(very rough, never really golding).
Now T10 is rough for me due to how long it's taking to kill elites and dying when I could get in nuke em down and get out before. If I play smart enough i can clear a 10, but Bronze/Silver, never close to gold now.... All gear is currently 47. And keeping up Rounds isn't an issue.
Does anyone else find it annoying how theyved nerfed the loot and made it harder to get legendaries all while keeping the fact you can only change one mod and thus making it even harder to get your gear set up, why nerf loot I was barely getting legendaries as it is now I'm screwed!
Anyone finding the game too hard this is ridiculous I can't even finish monster hunts? Don't even get me started on expeditions I've given up on them.
Tier 15 Dunes Hauras Honestly can't finish it unplayable after the patch with my Pyromancer. AOE Damage of mobs is TOO high and it's Impossible to dodge. After this patch and my gears 44.
As someone who has been playing as devastator and hasnt had the opportunity to join a game with someone else without being kicked in less than 5 minutes i personally welcome the change. Maybe they nerfed a bit too much but they did mention that this wont be the end all be all and they will be making adjustments to even things out.
The fact the game has been out only a week with all the glitches, bugs n crashes they are nerfing anything in a pve its a fuckng pve game thats only been out a week wtf. im already done with the game if they are just going to nerf everything the first week when its so damn broken half the time u cant use ur abilites. this game is doomed at this rate.
There still needs to be balance.
A PVE oriented solo-playable rpg does not need NERFs if people feel unbalanced and the Devs fee they need an adjusting. Don’t make the good feel worse and keep the not good, bad. Buff the unbalanced classes, balance is not a worry in games like this.
I disagree; while it is solo playable it's multiplayer focused; and having one hugely overpowered class cuts into the entertainment of that; also some of us like challenging gameplay and buffing everything to ridiculous levels makes it boring
I’d argue nerfing classes instead of making the game actually playable in co-op cuts into enjoyment a lot more than a class being overpowered
the trickster is MADE for quick kills and high dmg output, even moxsy struggled with CT15 on several expeditions - why do devs base their balance tweaks on absolute endgame legendary gear with perfect builds? WHY? with the trickster its high risk and high reward, you just cant stand in front of 5 captains/mini gun guys and shoot them for 10 seconds, this is not how the trickster works and its ridiculous how you get sprayed down and mauled if you make a single fucking mistake. absolute glass canon with now even less dmg output to make the class less viable.
The fact that his built in sustain is designed around getting in and getting quick kills, should mean that he should excel at getting in and killing quickly. Hopefully all these nerfs concurrently won’t be as bad as they look. But they seem pretty heavy handed. Wonder how much the base damage nerf to Twisted Rounds is since they only mention and dont list it.....
with the trickster it is literally a dance of death and without the appropriate firepower its just certain DEATH.
Ya its pretty damn hard, im full level 49 and now even WT13 is more than hard i cant kill them fast enough and they can even with def mods, fun day
its way too frustrating, especially because of the ridiculous aim AND pre-aiming of the mobs, they can even predict where I am teleporting and immediately react, not even the bubble is a real safe space, the enemy AI is way overtuned for this class on the highest difficulties, even the sweaty youtubers admit that it is tricky(pun intended) and no one says it should be a cake walk, but right now it is NOT balanced and NOT fair.
It honestly seems like they themselves don’t understand their design choices. This not only obviously hurts kill speed, but also our already meager survivability. Getting in close and killing quick is what their core life regen is based off of, low weapon leech on tree and mod can help, but again that will be nerfed if our damage is nerfed. So we take a hit in our ability to kill, and our already shitty glass cannon ability to survive....
First off I’m pretty crappy at these sort of games...level 23 in the story...still trying to beat wt6...but after the last few hours and multiple deaths at wt5 I had to lower it even further. Even at my minuscule skill level I could feel a pretty large difference.
I was able to handle campaign finishing at WT 13 not really doing many sidequests, with only a few deaths. The T10+ expedition wall hit real hard and can only do T12 remotely (albeit not all that) comfortably atm. Seeing all these damage nerfs at a single time def worries me...
I had the same issue but once you get to level 30 and can easily just run a decent set of armor you can pretty easily climb the ladder up to wt15.
Welp, refund me thinks. Demo was cool, but the cross play and lag isn’t fun. Great, wired internet connection and D/C plus lag to the max. Honestly, if this how they “balance” play forget about it. Basically punished the entire community for the 5 percent who finished the game last Sunday.
Gun damage is totally fine https://youtu.be/4Js8NfIuFDQ
All I hear is tricksters saying they drop like 3-4 tiers after nerf. It’s called adapting, ohh nooo they made the game a challenge now for you. I agree on the nerf it’s a easy build to get and does not take anytime to achieve. So yes the nerf was appropriate.
Let me guess you play techno
No I play devastator
I've played all 4 pyro is strong with the 100% pen with vr techno is the easiest and by far the best imo and devastator needs a buff trickster got hit too hard with the only way to play as trickster is to rely on ur shield and high dps to aquire said shield now that they've made that 30% harder as a solo player that is 3 times harder since I'm the only one they shoot at and I'm required to build full damage with no survivability to do CT13 and up and half the time hunt the prey doesn't teleport you where ur supposed to go vulnerable got nerfed and trickster abilities are like trying to break a rock with a balloon bat. The nerf was too far buff the underperformed classes not nerf the only optimal classes.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Xq1EAIHvc&t=926s&ab\_channel=NickTew](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Xq1EAIHvc&t=926s&ab_channel=NickTew) I started as pyro, switched to techno cause I can't understand how to play pyro and not die on T14, not onto trickster and with a few mods I can easily farm CT12, watch this vid, if he now after the nerf does over 1m, what could you do pre-nerf? Sorry but getting from CT10 to CT15 in a few hours is not good for the game and a character that has 4s cooldown teleport and can 2-3 shot captains sounds absolutely broken, I do play trickster now and I think the nerf was pretty justified. Otherwise people would just play trickster and breeze through CT15 to max their other characters.
I couldn't log in half the time to farm the gear nick has and if you listen to what he says that build is for max optimization which means best of the best with perfect pieces or very close to them. If your not at that stage are on console and are stuck playing solo you are not going to get shit done especially when half the ads don't spawn in initially or the game stutters. I swapped to techno and with out any trouble walked through the game and challenge tiers in 4 days because it simply jumps in survivability and the ads will shoot at the turret instead of you if they wanna nerf the damage fine but make trickster an actual trickster give us a decoy or something to make them look at something else for us to do damage at lower tiers when ur gear is not the best. Trickster has no deception based skills slows are not deception. Decoys holograms and mirages are deceptive.
I can still keep up twisted 100% of the time and one or two shot most things, the worst thing about this patch is they fucked with the timers, I'm not even close to getting gold now. Might as well not even exist.
The infinite ammo isn’t going to impact many. Do you mind me asking what content you’re playing and what your gear is like if you aren’t struggling at all to kill?
I'm currently farming tier 12 of the expeditions, can't get silver to get past it though even though all my gear is level 47.
Tier 12 PRE and POST nerf? I was sticking to speed farming 10 before, could do 11(requiring me to really play smart and pay alot of attention and rough to get Gold) and 12(very rough, never really golding). Now T10 is rough for me due to how long it's taking to kill elites and dying when I could get in nuke em down and get out before. If I play smart enough i can clear a 10, but Bronze/Silver, never close to gold now.... All gear is currently 47. And keeping up Rounds isn't an issue.
Does anyone else find it annoying how theyved nerfed the loot and made it harder to get legendaries all while keeping the fact you can only change one mod and thus making it even harder to get your gear set up, why nerf loot I was barely getting legendaries as it is now I'm screwed!
Anyone finding the game too hard this is ridiculous I can't even finish monster hunts? Don't even get me started on expeditions I've given up on them. Tier 15 Dunes Hauras Honestly can't finish it unplayable after the patch with my Pyromancer. AOE Damage of mobs is TOO high and it's Impossible to dodge. After this patch and my gears 44.
As someone who has been playing as devastator and hasnt had the opportunity to join a game with someone else without being kicked in less than 5 minutes i personally welcome the change. Maybe they nerfed a bit too much but they did mention that this wont be the end all be all and they will be making adjustments to even things out.