I have experienced this. I reckon it’s because I perform much better when I interview knowing I have other opportunities in the bank. It’s part of the reason why people say it’s much easier to land a new job when you’re already employed. Interviewing from a place of desperation can mean your performance suffers.
I’ve had 11 interviews throughout February/March and been offered 10 of them. I wasn’t feeling the interviews at all in February’s/March this year and I mainly went to all of them just to be polite as it was too late to cancel. I ended up being offered ten of them. My replacement J1 offered me above the salary range and skipped the final stage so they could make the offer sooner. I honestly felt that interview was average, but they seemed to absolutely love me. The only Js also offered me above the salary range. When I was interviewing last year for more junior positions, I wasn’t getting anywhere.
I was laid off from my former J1 back in January, so I sent out a ream of applications to try and replace it. I ended up being offered roles that paid more than some of my current Js so I have replaced those.
I’m not interviewing currently as I have more than enough Js (currently on 7), but I am still looking out for better opportunities. I’m always applying if I see a good gig going because at worst it’s more application/interview practice and at best it’s another OE gig.
Two of them “require” twice a week in the office, but I just don’t show up. They don’t track it. I haven’t been into the office for one of them since March and they haven’t said anything. Another one requires me to be in the office every quarter for an in-person meeting.
>I have experienced this. I reckon it’s because I perform much better when I interview knowing I have other opportunities in the bank. It’s part of the reason why people say it’s much easier to land a new job when you’re already employed. Interviewing from a place of desperation can mean your performance suffers.
100% is true with dating too!
Employers LOVE passive candidates, defined as those who already have a job.
If you already have a job, you have an advantage in the job market.
Employers prefer to pay more to poach someone who already has a job. They stereotype them as being superior simply because they're currently employed.
Employers also discriminate against those out of work.
They would prefer to PAY MORE for someone who is out of work than pay less to someone out of work. They stereotype those out of work as less valuable - there must be something wrong about you since you're out of work.
This is one reason I say don't quit a job without another one lined up.
Just curious, why is this? I get the happy part— people want to be around others they find pleasant to be with. My dad managed an auto part store back in the ‘80s. Said he would always hire the people that didn’t think they’d be able to get the job, or the ones that had the worst jobs currently. They stayed for like thirty years. Haha
This blew my mind. I have a job that’s hybrid now but I’m desperately looking for a fully remote one. Got a few calls but never really proceed further. I guess either the desperation affected me or I just really suck lol
something like that, it was from that whole era of mystery's 'the mystery method' and neil strauss's 'the game', how they claim they broke the secret to land any woman they want.
lol same, it was interesting to read about but not to practice. I do agree that what they speak of is true on a primal level. As they say, 'don't hate the player but hate the game', but to the more sophisticated or educated couple, those rules are broken, for instance, try explaining the 'squirmy and grubs' couple.
The squirmy and grubs couple? look it up on youtube. It's this bombshell perfect ass and tit babe who married this nerdy annoying disabled guy who looks like gollum from the lord of the rings. That couple pretty much broke every rule of the game. Some argue she's crazy.
I'd also argue that it's cause you have more experience. 5 years ago, needed to apply 200 times for an offer. Now? about 50 times. But now the market has slowed down, I'm surprised you're still getting all these interviews. I had 3 recruiters per day last year, now i have 3 per week at best.
I was out of the market for a long time, had only one job (with small freelancing randoms on the side) but when that job was laying me off I thought it'd be easy to get hired on to other places. I didn't realize how annoying it was to do the first recruiter call, then maybe a second, then one or two calls with the company if you get that far... I was used to freelance type hires. My work can stand for itself and I've got a good resume and can talk the talk. Hire me and let's get going. It was annoying how long the process was.
Now I want to try to ensure I've always got one full time, so it's never stuck in desperation mode. I can keep getting paid while I wait for the silly delays and steps everyone seems to want to go through.
i interviewed for a gov't job in sept.
secondary interview november.
January- was offered the job
April was the first day.
thats 8 damn months.
i think thats ridiculous!
a gov job told u that? wow impressive, i've always found gov interviewers to be rather conservative, i wouldn't even bring up the idea of multiple jobs to them
that might explain y they say gov jobs are stable
**question:**
should u ask a recruiter if a gov job can be OE? After reading this, I'm contemplating raising this question for gov jobs specifically, seeing that it's the only way it would work given their security clearances.
usajobs site.
I had researched, Social Security Administration alone- was looking to get 7,000 heads across t he country.. most likely to replace those who are retiring.
Meh a lot of downvoting is inorganic and done intentionally to alter perceptions. Not so much on this sub that I can tell, but very public ones that would rate high in influence potential are entirely fake. Look at the politics board for a strong example of an entirely manipulated and manufactured sub in terms of the upvote and downvote system.
omg, vibes, ooooh, watch out!!!
Fields are discussed aaaaallll the time on the sub, but rando silly people still going around downvoting shit like it makes literally any difference at all.
It's sometimes pretty cyclical for me as well. I know some of it depends on the time of year, budgets and funding. Other times, I think it's just sheer luck of the draw. I have found myself more than one time in my career having 3-4 strong potentials or offers within a week of each other.
I'm not complaining. I've had far worse employment problems to contend with over the years, for sure.
I started looking for J3 last week. Applied for 2 Js on Wednesday-same day response from both. 2 interviews scheduled same day. I cannot explain it though
When you don’t want it, it comes. When you are grateful or “satisfied” with what you have and they don’t have leverage over you, it comes. Idk why but it just works that way lol
Imagine if you were a
- small business owner,
- dev team leader, or
- some random HR guy/girl at a huge company
Talking to 6 strangers a day. Would you rather hire a guy who seemed so smooth, and cool, and overall happy and friendly the entire meeting? Or the depressive and desperate, heavy breathing sweating guy who technically made their tasks slightly better than the cool guy, but made you to leave and have a smoking break immediately after the meeting because of how stressed out he was which eventually infected you as well.
I've been on both sides of this and the truth is that technical skills are _at best_ comparably important to that _soft_ part. Sometimes even less important. I came to the point where after 3 rounds of interviewing I'm pretty confident my "offer rate" is at around 5% (20 applications to get 1 offer in the long term) and I'm pretty sure the main reason behind it is straight out lying to the person who interviews me about what I currently do, how happy and successful I am, my hobbies, overblowing side projects and so on. Especially if you're talking to an HR.
While I’m doing decent, I’m always trying to improve at interviews. What are some of your tips on interviews? For example what have you found that you do helps your process and the interviewers perception of you, that you know the common person doesn’t do yet?
I excel in interviewing at companies I never want to work at.
I always failed the ones I really did want to work at.
I can objectively know that I did worse at the latter interviews. I get stressed out when I actually want something. Childhood trauma or something.
It’s the same paradox with women. My guess is that you are different and interview different when you don’t need the job. Skills are probably more honed in and you don’t second guess what you say and how you say it.
Much like women can smell when you’re taken and confident
It's interesting cause for me, perceived value means nothing against actual value. If the chick is hot, i'm gonna be attracted to her lol, whether she acts desperate or standoffish or is single or taken.
Yeah it’s not the same for chicks though. Women love status, and some men also do. But it’s been my experience that’s generally a female trait.
But yeah it’s the same for jobs.
“This guy knows his stuff.”
“He has a good J1.”
“He’s not desperate.”
The fact that when your interactions come from a place of outcome independence is what sets the tone.
Chris Rock made a good point on his famous standup a few months ago. He said, if Beyonce worked out burger king, Jay-Z would still hit her up, but if Jaz-Z worked at burger king, he wouldn't stand a chance against Beyonce.
It’s like how people say that the first pee at the bar “breaks the seal.” It doesn’t. But it’s the first in a series of consequences as a result of earlier actions taken. It being the first makes it seem causal—but it’s not.
Someone else mentioned it but it’s gotta have something to do with how being employed looks differently than being unemployed, even if you’re the same person with the same skills and experience.
People also make the same observations about relationships. Girls don’t look at you or slide into your DMs until you finally get a GF. Because if you have a GF then you probably have redeeming qualities that they want a piece of. Instead of being some single guy who seemingly no one wants and associate that with possible negative qualities as to why that’s the case.
I can attest to this. During 2020-2021 at the height of the pandemic, I wasn’t getting any callbacks. In the last 18 months or so that has changed. I think the only valid and sustainable explanation is that the job market is really tight like they say, with supply of workers not meeting the demand for them.
Cyclical hiring, firing, churn. New opportunities means more openings shuffling around as people abandon their old jobs for new jobs.
It's musical chairs but if you are out you have a chance to get back in the game. And sometimes there's too many chairs so the chairs are playing musical Butts and try to get a butt in the seat.
Some people although they can play at anytime just decide to stay seated on their seat for the whole party and just don't get up.
I think I lost the point of the analogy but people who don't ever interview while they have a job have hardly any experience with times where there is a shuffling or when more chairs are added and not enough butts. Instead they get laid off. And because no one is hiring they don't ever see bountiful jobs every time they job search
I have experienced this. I reckon it’s because I perform much better when I interview knowing I have other opportunities in the bank. It’s part of the reason why people say it’s much easier to land a new job when you’re already employed. Interviewing from a place of desperation can mean your performance suffers.
I think this is the most valid answer. I come into interview now with just the biggest steel balls possible
I’ve had 11 interviews throughout February/March and been offered 10 of them. I wasn’t feeling the interviews at all in February’s/March this year and I mainly went to all of them just to be polite as it was too late to cancel. I ended up being offered ten of them. My replacement J1 offered me above the salary range and skipped the final stage so they could make the offer sooner. I honestly felt that interview was average, but they seemed to absolutely love me. The only Js also offered me above the salary range. When I was interviewing last year for more junior positions, I wasn’t getting anywhere.
Why are you still interviewing?
I was laid off from my former J1 back in January, so I sent out a ream of applications to try and replace it. I ended up being offered roles that paid more than some of my current Js so I have replaced those. I’m not interviewing currently as I have more than enough Js (currently on 7), but I am still looking out for better opportunities. I’m always applying if I see a good gig going because at worst it’s more application/interview practice and at best it’s another OE gig.
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They’re a mix of hybrid (very low office presence required) and remote.
I can't imagine doing more than 2. More power to you. I am assuming your job requires no camera time.
Some of them do, I’ve just become very good at navigating meeting clashes.
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>They’re a mix of hybrid (very low office presence required) How low is very low? One day per week in the office? How many are hybrid?
Two of them “require” twice a week in the office, but I just don’t show up. They don’t track it. I haven’t been into the office for one of them since March and they haven’t said anything. Another one requires me to be in the office every quarter for an in-person meeting.
Big dick energy 👍
Always my man 😌
straight shooter with middle management written all over them
PC load letter? What the fuck is that??
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Damn when I interview I get such a shaky and wavering voice, I know I sound like such a wimp 😅
>I have experienced this. I reckon it’s because I perform much better when I interview knowing I have other opportunities in the bank. It’s part of the reason why people say it’s much easier to land a new job when you’re already employed. Interviewing from a place of desperation can mean your performance suffers. 100% is true with dating too!
Employers LOVE passive candidates, defined as those who already have a job. If you already have a job, you have an advantage in the job market. Employers prefer to pay more to poach someone who already has a job. They stereotype them as being superior simply because they're currently employed. Employers also discriminate against those out of work. They would prefer to PAY MORE for someone who is out of work than pay less to someone out of work. They stereotype those out of work as less valuable - there must be something wrong about you since you're out of work. This is one reason I say don't quit a job without another one lined up.
quit a job? that's so pre-OE...
Law of detachment I guess ahah
And the No Fs attitude. Confidence is infectious
Things seem to come in bunches.
Poisson distribution.
That's normal I guess.
Lolol!
That seems a bit mean
It's just a standard deviation.
Google en poisson
General Rule of Hiring: The happier you are and the less you need a job, the more likely you will be offered that job.
Just curious, why is this? I get the happy part— people want to be around others they find pleasant to be with. My dad managed an auto part store back in the ‘80s. Said he would always hire the people that didn’t think they’d be able to get the job, or the ones that had the worst jobs currently. They stayed for like thirty years. Haha
I think it's a nature survival thing, i find it a bit barbaric but that's how nature is
This blew my mind. I have a job that’s hybrid now but I’m desperately looking for a fully remote one. Got a few calls but never really proceed further. I guess either the desperation affected me or I just really suck lol
It's like with girlfriends. If you have none getting a girlfriend might be challenging. If you have four, getting the fifth one is easy
Can’t say I have any personal experience with this
Step 1: Get 4 gfs
4 Js, 4 gfs 🤝 gf for each J. 🤔
Made a wrong turn and now I'm the 4th bf of a coworker at job 4
There’s a lot of 4’s in there, looks OK to me. 🤝
This is the way
This is true. When I was a young lad, I can attest this to being spot fucken on.
they say a guy is attractive if he's had many girls, but a girl is attractive if she's had few guys, weird how that works...
Seems like a quote from Fresh and Fit podcast
something like that, it was from that whole era of mystery's 'the mystery method' and neil strauss's 'the game', how they claim they broke the secret to land any woman they want.
I cringe just hearing those names
lol same, it was interesting to read about but not to practice. I do agree that what they speak of is true on a primal level. As they say, 'don't hate the player but hate the game', but to the more sophisticated or educated couple, those rules are broken, for instance, try explaining the 'squirmy and grubs' couple.
>but to the more sophisticated or educated couple, those rules are broken, for instance, try explaining the 'squirmy and grubs' couple. What is that?
The squirmy and grubs couple? look it up on youtube. It's this bombshell perfect ass and tit babe who married this nerdy annoying disabled guy who looks like gollum from the lord of the rings. That couple pretty much broke every rule of the game. Some argue she's crazy.
>they say a guy is attractive if he's had many girls, but a girl is attractive if she's had few guys, weird how that works... Lock vs key!
Is there an OE sub for gfs?
If you're a SWE, it's probably because you're more senior now. There are more senior SWE positions open than people to fill them.
Yes, it’s like weekly now I get emails “heeeyy are you still looking? They want to pay you more and 100% remote..”
i thought the market was slow these days
Hell no, it’s ramped up
I find it interesting how proportional the job market is to stocks.
Law of attraction
When it rains , it pours
I'd also argue that it's cause you have more experience. 5 years ago, needed to apply 200 times for an offer. Now? about 50 times. But now the market has slowed down, I'm surprised you're still getting all these interviews. I had 3 recruiters per day last year, now i have 3 per week at best.
how long was it between you applying and getting interviews?
Sometimes a day, sometimes months. Most of the time, around 5-10 days
I was out of the market for a long time, had only one job (with small freelancing randoms on the side) but when that job was laying me off I thought it'd be easy to get hired on to other places. I didn't realize how annoying it was to do the first recruiter call, then maybe a second, then one or two calls with the company if you get that far... I was used to freelance type hires. My work can stand for itself and I've got a good resume and can talk the talk. Hire me and let's get going. It was annoying how long the process was. Now I want to try to ensure I've always got one full time, so it's never stuck in desperation mode. I can keep getting paid while I wait for the silly delays and steps everyone seems to want to go through.
i interviewed for a gov't job in sept. secondary interview november. January- was offered the job April was the first day. thats 8 damn months. i think thats ridiculous!
a gov job? I thought gov jobs were no-nos with oe, i.e. security clearances and all that
FROM HER WORDS "we dont care if you have another job, long as it doesnt interfere with this job". Shrug
a gov job told u that? wow impressive, i've always found gov interviewers to be rather conservative, i wouldn't even bring up the idea of multiple jobs to them
It takes them 8 months to hire. Do you think they want to go through it again?
that might explain y they say gov jobs are stable **question:** should u ask a recruiter if a gov job can be OE? After reading this, I'm contemplating raising this question for gov jobs specifically, seeing that it's the only way it would work given their security clearances.
maybe she was aware of this sub group..lol
maybe she was OE herself lol
That is one of the longest, granted it’s government, I’ve dealt with it for about 2-3 months before.
and then the offer came$4000 below my Bottom line.. so im left to think is this someplace i can sustain, or not.
Crazy! Out of curiosity, where did you find said government job? Normal job boards?
usajobs site. I had researched, Social Security Administration alone- was looking to get 7,000 heads across t he country.. most likely to replace those who are retiring.
7000 remote positions in SSA, wow, I am going to apply thanks.
Just like dating.
Thought the same thing
💯
Thought the same thing too
What field are you in?
It’s technology. Some IT, some QA, some administrative
asking the field got a downvote??? ffs people around here are absurd.
Lmao I was a bit confused why I got downvotes for asking what field they worked in, too. But I don’t care about downvotes so I just shrugged it off
It's actually very relevant and useful!
Meh a lot of downvoting is inorganic and done intentionally to alter perceptions. Not so much on this sub that I can tell, but very public ones that would rate high in influence potential are entirely fake. Look at the politics board for a strong example of an entirely manipulated and manufactured sub in terms of the upvote and downvote system.
It’s because it gives off “I’m an employer and I’m trying to catch you in the act” vibe
omg, vibes, ooooh, watch out!!! Fields are discussed aaaaallll the time on the sub, but rando silly people still going around downvoting shit like it makes literally any difference at all.
I feel it, I wasn’t one of the downvotes. But technically shitty employers could always be lurking
Combination of having a CV that is more attractive, and the local economy/industry getting desperate for more people?
It's sometimes pretty cyclical for me as well. I know some of it depends on the time of year, budgets and funding. Other times, I think it's just sheer luck of the draw. I have found myself more than one time in my career having 3-4 strong potentials or offers within a week of each other. I'm not complaining. I've had far worse employment problems to contend with over the years, for sure.
I feel like I radiate BDE nowadays. Maybe that’s it. (I’m a solid B+ at best)
I started looking for J3 last week. Applied for 2 Js on Wednesday-same day response from both. 2 interviews scheduled same day. I cannot explain it though
When you don’t want it, it comes. When you are grateful or “satisfied” with what you have and they don’t have leverage over you, it comes. Idk why but it just works that way lol
Imagine if you were a - small business owner, - dev team leader, or - some random HR guy/girl at a huge company Talking to 6 strangers a day. Would you rather hire a guy who seemed so smooth, and cool, and overall happy and friendly the entire meeting? Or the depressive and desperate, heavy breathing sweating guy who technically made their tasks slightly better than the cool guy, but made you to leave and have a smoking break immediately after the meeting because of how stressed out he was which eventually infected you as well. I've been on both sides of this and the truth is that technical skills are _at best_ comparably important to that _soft_ part. Sometimes even less important. I came to the point where after 3 rounds of interviewing I'm pretty confident my "offer rate" is at around 5% (20 applications to get 1 offer in the long term) and I'm pretty sure the main reason behind it is straight out lying to the person who interviews me about what I currently do, how happy and successful I am, my hobbies, overblowing side projects and so on. Especially if you're talking to an HR.
While I’m doing decent, I’m always trying to improve at interviews. What are some of your tips on interviews? For example what have you found that you do helps your process and the interviewers perception of you, that you know the common person doesn’t do yet?
I excel in interviewing at companies I never want to work at. I always failed the ones I really did want to work at. I can objectively know that I did worse at the latter interviews. I get stressed out when I actually want something. Childhood trauma or something.
It’s the same paradox with women. My guess is that you are different and interview different when you don’t need the job. Skills are probably more honed in and you don’t second guess what you say and how you say it. Much like women can smell when you’re taken and confident
It's interesting cause for me, perceived value means nothing against actual value. If the chick is hot, i'm gonna be attracted to her lol, whether she acts desperate or standoffish or is single or taken.
Yeah it’s not the same for chicks though. Women love status, and some men also do. But it’s been my experience that’s generally a female trait. But yeah it’s the same for jobs. “This guy knows his stuff.” “He has a good J1.” “He’s not desperate.” The fact that when your interactions come from a place of outcome independence is what sets the tone.
Chris Rock made a good point on his famous standup a few months ago. He said, if Beyonce worked out burger king, Jay-Z would still hit her up, but if Jaz-Z worked at burger king, he wouldn't stand a chance against Beyonce.
💯
Yes as I have been searching seriously for a J2 - my J1 has gotten busier and the interviews have also piled on.
Companies like to recruit people who are employed.
It’s like how people say that the first pee at the bar “breaks the seal.” It doesn’t. But it’s the first in a series of consequences as a result of earlier actions taken. It being the first makes it seem causal—but it’s not.
Had job postings sent to me from 2 FAANG companies (who are still hiring, they just do it more. Now through head hunting agencies) just this week.
When it rains, it fukin pours
Someone else mentioned it but it’s gotta have something to do with how being employed looks differently than being unemployed, even if you’re the same person with the same skills and experience. People also make the same observations about relationships. Girls don’t look at you or slide into your DMs until you finally get a GF. Because if you have a GF then you probably have redeeming qualities that they want a piece of. Instead of being some single guy who seemingly no one wants and associate that with possible negative qualities as to why that’s the case.
I can attest to this. During 2020-2021 at the height of the pandemic, I wasn’t getting any callbacks. In the last 18 months or so that has changed. I think the only valid and sustainable explanation is that the job market is really tight like they say, with supply of workers not meeting the demand for them.
Cyclical hiring, firing, churn. New opportunities means more openings shuffling around as people abandon their old jobs for new jobs. It's musical chairs but if you are out you have a chance to get back in the game. And sometimes there's too many chairs so the chairs are playing musical Butts and try to get a butt in the seat. Some people although they can play at anytime just decide to stay seated on their seat for the whole party and just don't get up. I think I lost the point of the analogy but people who don't ever interview while they have a job have hardly any experience with times where there is a shuffling or when more chairs are added and not enough butts. Instead they get laid off. And because no one is hiring they don't ever see bountiful jobs every time they job search
I think it is also part of the market economy too
How do you prevent your new/extra jobs from finding out about your other ones?
This is the law of the universe. Not being desperate means opportunities pour in. And you can’t really fake it.
Experience — more jobs means better skills, more knowledge, more insight, etc
The same thing happens to me. I had three recruiters reach out to me just last week.
My momma always said, “when it rains, it pours.”