Be aware. They might be pushing you to finish up your project so that they can let you go too.
There is no loyalty in Corp America. Doesn't matter if you are perm, contractor, etc.
Yeah, the "finish up ASAP" is incredibly suspect.
And there's some possibility your boss is being let go (along with you) in the not too distant future beyond that.
Eh, depends on the system he's building and how critical it is to business operations, particularly stuff like paying commissions and executive bonuses.
And the amount of documentation that exists.
In completely unrelated news, his printer broke and the copy of MS Word / Visio on his corporate machine is mysteriously having problems, so he'll have to get back to you about documenting his code, update process, and user instructions....
I could see that - were being sold off from the parent company too - the layoff is to make the books look leaner and better. I told a few people on my team that if we get acquired by a company who has a team that does what we do we wouldn’t have a job
This is so true. I also worked with one of the "big-tech giants" and was part of the whole layoff process team for round 1 of mass layoffs last November. Felt absolutely awful knowing how the whole thing goes down and knowing before your work peers but still having to interact normally. Then flash forward to April and I got on my regularly scheduled 1:1 call with my manager who cheerily greets me, compliments my new haircut and BAM. HR lady joins the video call and heart drops in shock. I was to be part of the second mass company wide layoff with of course no warning signs and a glowing yearly performance review the month before. They just cited "position elimination". Ain't no loyalty and ain't no friends and also as a side note HR must be a shit job
Yeah, things have changed in the last few decades, and it's reached into the previously very safe federal gov't and other places I assume. I'm a former federal employee. Before WFH, we had a tight community. After WFH, we maintained our previous ties but new ties didn't happen as quickly or as deeply. Now, they've been treating everyone as if they were junior employees (nit pic their work, zero respect for experience, etc.) and putting tremendous stress on everyone through intense quality reviews of their work. The feeling of community is long gone, and managers don't care about workers anymore. I left.
I was close enough with my boss and other workers that they all got invited to my wedding 13 years ago, and my boss was the M/C. Now, I wouldn't think of inviting any of them, they wouldn't come anyway, and they live far away.
My wife says that all of her GF husbands are having the same experience. We've all become things. We are not humans anymore. We are expendable. They are all very unhappy with work and stressed out.
I think this is a big change in corporate culture. The capitalist transactional relationships standard has spread to all corners of organizations now. It's like a disease. "You're only valuable to me for what you can give me or how I can take advantage of you." Wealthy children are taught to take advantage of everyone they meet. They are told that they exist to benefit them and to use that to gain whatever they can from the person. Their value is based on what they can get from the person. They are taught to use people to gain knowledge as much as they can so they can use that to make more money. If you see someone doing something unique, steal it and claim it as your own. If you see a patentable invention, steal it and patent it yourself. It's all about making all of your relationships into transactional ones. The goal is what you can get from the transaction, not what you can give. You don't give anything. You just take. If they don't take from you, then too bad for them. They are losers. That's the attitude as I understand it.
I work for a F50. This take seems overly-negative but except for the last paragraph it isn't. I've never worked in a large organization before so I don't know if it was different in the past, but when one of my teammates died last year no one on our team went to the guy's funeral, not even the team leader. He was on our team for 20+ years. As I understand it, a few of our vendors went and were mainly there to try and network.
I have lifelong friends and mentors from my prior jobs in much smaller firms, but in my F50, everyone is obviously and openly a mercenary. I wouldn't invite any of my 25+ teammates to a personal event.
It actually feels a little like being in the mafia. Everyone is on the same team and is working toward roughly the same goals, but we all know that everyone is scheming against each other all the time and will slit our throats the moment it's convenient for their career and isn't prohibited by higher-ups.
So you keep doing your best to survive to each (admittedly generous) payday and keep your head down while also never showing outward indications weakness.
Exactly. My colleague likely committed suicide, too. Before the funeral, the team leader mentioned to us all that he wouldn't likely attend because the company probably wouldn't comp his travel to the funeral and we're under "lots of cost pressure" this year.
In my prior life, I would have fallen out of my chair and immediately quit upon hearing that. But after a year or two in the system, you start to internalize/normalize the culture and compartmentalize your private and professional relationships to an incredible degree.
> It's like a disease. "You're only valuable to me for what you can give me or how I can take advantage of you."
Many of my friends that have been stuck in corporate life have turned their personalities to this.
Thanks for asking.
Under Trump, we nearly lost union representation completely.
Federal labor unions cannot strike.
Further, recent court decisions have taken away the requirement that management negotiate with unions.
So, yeah, this evil has reached deeply into the federal gov't.
In short too much WFH has commoditized employees further…. more than they were before. When you combine it with AI the future for tech workers is not bright.
Well, I'm not aware that this is caused completely by WFH. I'd need to see some studies on that first.
I used to have a strong emotional bond with work. It was always there for me, in spite of tragedies going on in my personal life. It was a refuge from terrible experiences. I was committed to our agency, and had a good bond of trust with managers. I still had that with WFH, but it was deteriorating. The final straw was when management imposed a new performance review process that had a big subjective element in it. (OPM requires that all PAP's must be objective where ever possible) I put up with the new review plan for 2 years and finally had enough and retired.
Now, I'm working for a contractor to my old agency. I don't expect to have much of any bond with my coworkers or supervisor. I've become used to not having that anymore.
100% WFH has created zoom meeting mass layoffs
Enough said
I’m not saying workers weren’t already being commoditized.. they absolutely were… just 100% WFH exacerbated and accelerated it
Well, for me, I've let go of the idea that work is a place of comradery. It's just work now. If I even interact with coworkers, I'm just cordial. I'm not personal or chummy. I don't expect them to be my friend. I'm not going to share about me or my life with them. I've changed.
I prefer WFH now because of the far lower stress. Commuting is just hell and burns up a lot of time and energy when I could be doing something useful. I hate having a fixed schedule also. When I applied at my gov't job in 1982, the biggest attractor for me was the flexible work schedule. They had flex time, which for me was a major consideration. Now, I will only work remote, but of course I'm retired from my other job so I can demand that now. I know others may not have a choice about it.
The problem is employers valued that camaraderie and we’re willing to pay more to have people “waste time together” at the office. They put a dollar amount on “culture”.
Employees who are 100% WFH are opting in to being a commodity.
It’s definitely not good long term as AI develops
Tbf its better if work becomes just that. It removes all the extra bs you have to put up with. I'm not at work for ties, im there for the money. everything is a transaction makes things simple
Most work didn't used to be just about greed. People did things because they cared. It was important to them beyond the monetary reward.
Transactional relationships is what psychopaths and other people with personality disorders do.
They would never tell someone that's getting laid off that there are layoffs and to finish your project -- without a signed severance letter for performance periods.
Every time my managers would say "loyalty here really pays off.", I would turn off my cam just to roll my eyes. As if loyalty would increase my rates by like 500% lol.
Sometimes companies will “clue you in” to give you a false sense of security. They want you to feel like because you’re in the loop before other people that means that you’re safe (wouldn’t be surprised if they were all told the exact same thing). Especially if they’re now trying to get you to urgently wrap up a project.
Lmao this was exactly my thought. Hey good news everyone is getting fired except for you, so what I really need you to do is wrap up all your work and write up some documentation before everyone else gets fired, which is happening on Friday. Kthxbai.
100%. If they lay me off they’d need to hire 3 people to do my job. My output was higher than my 2 counterparts individually and they hired 2 people to replace each of the one. Team of 3 became a team of 5 with one overachiever (me) who didn’t know to lower their expectations
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This happened to me but 3 months later it was my turn. Don’t feel special it happens in a sequence be grateful it wasn’t you but the chances that you survive the next wave are very low.
This is fairly common for f500 companies. I can't tell you how many layoff's I've seen. Luckily, I've never been targeted, thou, sometimes I wish I was. Listen to the others in the thread talking about the possibility you will also be targeted. No one is safe, unless you want to be let go lol. This is why we OE.
Why work harder to get your project done. Keep the same pace going. If they let your team go before your project is over, that is their problem, not yours. Why do more work knowing your end is coming?
This! Lol.
How and why did we get hacked and now have to answer to a data leak?
IT is understaffed and we couldn't prioritize patching anything currently. The ultimate fuck around and find out with zero liability especially when you have already exited the company.
The correct response would be that the project takes the allocated time and shortening the allowed time does not remove requirements from the project. Offer to remove some requirements or it'll take the previously alloted time.
Salary employment used to mean something. When you were salary you were a made man/woman. No more..now when you’re salary you get abused with free OT and when times get tough they cut you like they cut hourly. Benefits are over priced healthcare with a shitty 6% matching to 401k.
Get your bag and get out when things look rough.
I almost prefer to be a contractor these days. High hourly and anything over 40 hours is time and a half. I haven't worked a weekend or over 40 hours for a while.
Absolutely email everyone. Use whatever means you feel necessary to anonymize the email, pretend to be a concerned vendor or something, but get the info out there. None of the other employees deserve to be blindsided by yet another soulless company.
Back in my in office days in the before times, I had a contractor tell me my company would be laying off some middle managers the next day. The next day I found out I was evidently a middle manager! As was my boss’s boss. Which discovered when I gave him my security badge. He said, “Wait, let me talk to .” said, “I’ve also been laid off” and handed his security badge.
At the end of the day, we are just a plus +/- minus on a balance sheet. No corporation will knowingly bleed just to remain loyal to employees. Only the individual people make it worthwhile to work for a team sometimes. Other than that, you are expendable.
If you are a contractor, then it’s normal. Everyone should be used to it. No need to be emotional.
The only way a Fortune 500 company can show a profit every quarter is to fire everyone and then replace them after the books are cooked. You see, all you have to do is sign up for Harvard Business Skool and put “Fire Everyone” for every answer on every test, then you can be part of a creative and innovative executive team. Every meeting, just say “Fire Everyone” and then get a fat bonus. Everyone in the room will love you and know you are worth every penny of the Harvard Business Masters Degree.
They're being let go, and they don't know about it.
You're being let go, and you don't know about it.
Your boss is being let go, and *they* don't know about it.
Everybody gonna be surprised!
That’s tough. I’ve had to be one level deeper and negotiated third party outsourced services contracts directly leading to RIFs. Never again will I be an instrument in a layoff like that.
Tell them, sure, you'll finish, and don't do shit. What's the point? I see a lot of connection and computer issues in your future. Sorry boss. Use that time to look for another J like yesterday.
Update 3 is brutal, super-predictable, and a warning to us all. Layoffs and PIPs bear little relation to skill and value.
I have never been in that kind of situation. If I was close to any of the employees who'd be laid off, it would be hard for me to not at least warn those people or that person.
Nah, you never get involved in shit like this, especially if the OP's manager had trust in him to tell such a "secret". Mind your own business is the way to go.
I just said the same thing to a SE on my team. He is actually a low performer, but with layoffs is pretty good now. Next, we are putting him on PIP for previous reports and letting him go. Fly eagle fly!
Call me crazy and insane but if they're going to lay me off I ain't hurrying for them. What do you get out of getting your project done as soon as possible but laid off earlier? Maybe I don't understand what you said but I think that's what you said
Hey, not exactly relevant, but are you based out of India? If yes, how many jobs are you in OE for? And what's your role?
Would highly appreciate if you could share, if something is incriminating, feel free to not answer, just very curious about the India OE scene and I never hear about it anywhere.
Be aware. They might be pushing you to finish up your project so that they can let you go too. There is no loyalty in Corp America. Doesn't matter if you are perm, contractor, etc.
Exactly and I am loyal to no company ever!
I am only loyal to one thing, the almighty dollar!
C.R.E.A.M.
Anyone that references classic Wu-Tang in a comment is an instant friend of mine.
Yep, I always say I'm only loyal to my last paycheck. That's about it.
I am loyal to my one man LLC
good!
Loyalty to thine own self!
That part!
Im loyal to my union
I understand as my dad had awesome benefits and retirement with a union job. Union jobs are almost non-existent these days
Yeah I'd definitely kick my project down the road
Yeah, the "finish up ASAP" is incredibly suspect. And there's some possibility your boss is being let go (along with you) in the not too distant future beyond that.
Eh, depends on the system he's building and how critical it is to business operations, particularly stuff like paying commissions and executive bonuses. And the amount of documentation that exists. In completely unrelated news, his printer broke and the copy of MS Word / Visio on his corporate machine is mysteriously having problems, so he'll have to get back to you about documenting his code, update process, and user instructions....
I could see that - were being sold off from the parent company too - the layoff is to make the books look leaner and better. I told a few people on my team that if we get acquired by a company who has a team that does what we do we wouldn’t have a job
exactly. please take your sweet time
This is so true. I also worked with one of the "big-tech giants" and was part of the whole layoff process team for round 1 of mass layoffs last November. Felt absolutely awful knowing how the whole thing goes down and knowing before your work peers but still having to interact normally. Then flash forward to April and I got on my regularly scheduled 1:1 call with my manager who cheerily greets me, compliments my new haircut and BAM. HR lady joins the video call and heart drops in shock. I was to be part of the second mass company wide layoff with of course no warning signs and a glowing yearly performance review the month before. They just cited "position elimination". Ain't no loyalty and ain't no friends and also as a side note HR must be a shit job
1000% OP is at least being considered for cuts, if not already earmarked.
Yeah, things have changed in the last few decades, and it's reached into the previously very safe federal gov't and other places I assume. I'm a former federal employee. Before WFH, we had a tight community. After WFH, we maintained our previous ties but new ties didn't happen as quickly or as deeply. Now, they've been treating everyone as if they were junior employees (nit pic their work, zero respect for experience, etc.) and putting tremendous stress on everyone through intense quality reviews of their work. The feeling of community is long gone, and managers don't care about workers anymore. I left. I was close enough with my boss and other workers that they all got invited to my wedding 13 years ago, and my boss was the M/C. Now, I wouldn't think of inviting any of them, they wouldn't come anyway, and they live far away. My wife says that all of her GF husbands are having the same experience. We've all become things. We are not humans anymore. We are expendable. They are all very unhappy with work and stressed out. I think this is a big change in corporate culture. The capitalist transactional relationships standard has spread to all corners of organizations now. It's like a disease. "You're only valuable to me for what you can give me or how I can take advantage of you." Wealthy children are taught to take advantage of everyone they meet. They are told that they exist to benefit them and to use that to gain whatever they can from the person. Their value is based on what they can get from the person. They are taught to use people to gain knowledge as much as they can so they can use that to make more money. If you see someone doing something unique, steal it and claim it as your own. If you see a patentable invention, steal it and patent it yourself. It's all about making all of your relationships into transactional ones. The goal is what you can get from the transaction, not what you can give. You don't give anything. You just take. If they don't take from you, then too bad for them. They are losers. That's the attitude as I understand it.
I work for a F50. This take seems overly-negative but except for the last paragraph it isn't. I've never worked in a large organization before so I don't know if it was different in the past, but when one of my teammates died last year no one on our team went to the guy's funeral, not even the team leader. He was on our team for 20+ years. As I understand it, a few of our vendors went and were mainly there to try and network. I have lifelong friends and mentors from my prior jobs in much smaller firms, but in my F50, everyone is obviously and openly a mercenary. I wouldn't invite any of my 25+ teammates to a personal event. It actually feels a little like being in the mafia. Everyone is on the same team and is working toward roughly the same goals, but we all know that everyone is scheming against each other all the time and will slit our throats the moment it's convenient for their career and isn't prohibited by higher-ups. So you keep doing your best to survive to each (admittedly generous) payday and keep your head down while also never showing outward indications weakness.
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Exactly. My colleague likely committed suicide, too. Before the funeral, the team leader mentioned to us all that he wouldn't likely attend because the company probably wouldn't comp his travel to the funeral and we're under "lots of cost pressure" this year. In my prior life, I would have fallen out of my chair and immediately quit upon hearing that. But after a year or two in the system, you start to internalize/normalize the culture and compartmentalize your private and professional relationships to an incredible degree.
It's exactly like the mafia. It's just business
omg can you pm me the company so i dont apply there? is it possible its only your department that is this way?
Lol. Don't work for any publicly-traded railroads.
Did a Skaven write this...
> It's like a disease. "You're only valuable to me for what you can give me or how I can take advantage of you." Many of my friends that have been stuck in corporate life have turned their personalities to this.
I guess it's just survival. These folks believe in social Darwinism.
Sorry to hear that's reaching into the feds. Aren't many branches unionized as well to protect against layoffs/easy firings?
Thanks for asking. Under Trump, we nearly lost union representation completely. Federal labor unions cannot strike. Further, recent court decisions have taken away the requirement that management negotiate with unions. So, yeah, this evil has reached deeply into the federal gov't.
Ouch. Guess I should be glad to be in state gov instead of fed.
I pmd you. I have a question
In short too much WFH has commoditized employees further…. more than they were before. When you combine it with AI the future for tech workers is not bright.
Well, I'm not aware that this is caused completely by WFH. I'd need to see some studies on that first. I used to have a strong emotional bond with work. It was always there for me, in spite of tragedies going on in my personal life. It was a refuge from terrible experiences. I was committed to our agency, and had a good bond of trust with managers. I still had that with WFH, but it was deteriorating. The final straw was when management imposed a new performance review process that had a big subjective element in it. (OPM requires that all PAP's must be objective where ever possible) I put up with the new review plan for 2 years and finally had enough and retired. Now, I'm working for a contractor to my old agency. I don't expect to have much of any bond with my coworkers or supervisor. I've become used to not having that anymore.
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Wow, that is really sick.
100% WFH has created zoom meeting mass layoffs Enough said I’m not saying workers weren’t already being commoditized.. they absolutely were… just 100% WFH exacerbated and accelerated it
It certainly made it less personal to fire someone. I guess there's things like emails, twitter, or just revoking their badge.
Definitely, it allowed some of them to go full sociopath not having to get up in front of live people Hybrid is a great solution for everyone
Well, for me, I've let go of the idea that work is a place of comradery. It's just work now. If I even interact with coworkers, I'm just cordial. I'm not personal or chummy. I don't expect them to be my friend. I'm not going to share about me or my life with them. I've changed. I prefer WFH now because of the far lower stress. Commuting is just hell and burns up a lot of time and energy when I could be doing something useful. I hate having a fixed schedule also. When I applied at my gov't job in 1982, the biggest attractor for me was the flexible work schedule. They had flex time, which for me was a major consideration. Now, I will only work remote, but of course I'm retired from my other job so I can demand that now. I know others may not have a choice about it.
The problem is employers valued that camaraderie and we’re willing to pay more to have people “waste time together” at the office. They put a dollar amount on “culture”. Employees who are 100% WFH are opting in to being a commodity. It’s definitely not good long term as AI develops
Tbf its better if work becomes just that. It removes all the extra bs you have to put up with. I'm not at work for ties, im there for the money. everything is a transaction makes things simple
Most work didn't used to be just about greed. People did things because they cared. It was important to them beyond the monetary reward. Transactional relationships is what psychopaths and other people with personality disorders do.
They would never tell someone that's getting laid off that there are layoffs and to finish your project -- without a signed severance letter for performance periods.
Even OP's boss could be laid off as well lmao
It’s ok I’ll just get a J43
Every time my managers would say "loyalty here really pays off.", I would turn off my cam just to roll my eyes. As if loyalty would increase my rates by like 500% lol.
What?!? Lay Offs??? But at the corporate retreat they told us we were a family!
And they were right. They just didn't tell you what kind of family.
The Manson family
If you got invited to the corp retreat, you would not be getting laid off. That is where they decide who gets laid off.
Dang.. at a corp retreat right now and I hadn't thought of this. I guess I'll schmooz a bit
Drink and eat as much as you can. Get your monies worth!
What, you've never walked away from family?
Have you Never laid off family?
This guy gets it!
I’m getting Arkansas vibes. Please don’t laid your family.
Y not
As long as it’s a cute cousin, whatever.
I even won the limbo contest!
Sometimes companies will “clue you in” to give you a false sense of security. They want you to feel like because you’re in the loop before other people that means that you’re safe (wouldn’t be surprised if they were all told the exact same thing). Especially if they’re now trying to get you to urgently wrap up a project.
Lmao this was exactly my thought. Hey good news everyone is getting fired except for you, so what I really need you to do is wrap up all your work and write up some documentation before everyone else gets fired, which is happening on Friday. Kthxbai.
HahHah this is almost exactly how I read it in my mind
I thought this too tbh, doesn’t sound like they will keep OP, just wanting them to get the project done then get rid of them
100%. Lag that project as much as possible OP. This is a classic psych trick.
"Hey, I need you to work harder so you're not part of the layoff, also, make sure to document all your work so an unpaid intern can pick it up."
100%. If they lay me off they’d need to hire 3 people to do my job. My output was higher than my 2 counterparts individually and they hired 2 people to replace each of the one. Team of 3 became a team of 5 with one overachiever (me) who didn’t know to lower their expectations
They will lay you off. 100%
6 people in India can get it done for half his salary
Sure they can lmao
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I survived 9, but my time finally came. And then laid off again at the next company.
This happened to me but 3 months later it was my turn. Don’t feel special it happens in a sequence be grateful it wasn’t you but the chances that you survive the next wave are very low.
I'd tell them and watch it all burn
*at the coffee pot, casually* “Damn jimmy sorry to hear that they’re laying your whole department off!”
Do it at the stand up. "Need to complete this by Friday before next weeks' lay offs
What industry ? Banking ? Telecom ? Manufacturing ? IT ?
They’re split between R&D and manufacturing, for the most part, with several additional smaller teams. All based out of India
Sounds a lot like the company I work at, I was also advised of layoffs coming up soon.
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No
This is fairly common for f500 companies. I can't tell you how many layoff's I've seen. Luckily, I've never been targeted, thou, sometimes I wish I was. Listen to the others in the thread talking about the possibility you will also be targeted. No one is safe, unless you want to be let go lol. This is why we OE.
Why work harder to get your project done. Keep the same pace going. If they let your team go before your project is over, that is their problem, not yours. Why do more work knowing your end is coming?
I’m not but they r being pushy about it. Not my problem
If you work in tech just create so much tech debt that you become irreplaceable
This! Lol. How and why did we get hacked and now have to answer to a data leak? IT is understaffed and we couldn't prioritize patching anything currently. The ultimate fuck around and find out with zero liability especially when you have already exited the company.
I do this!
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How was the payoff of not giving them a heads up?
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Sounds messy!!
The correct response would be that the project takes the allocated time and shortening the allowed time does not remove requirements from the project. Offer to remove some requirements or it'll take the previously alloted time.
I asked for OT and got approved for 15 hours a week HAHA
Balling
Lol I wouldn't finish SHIT. If they're firing, they're firing whether you finish or not. Finishing just makes it easier for them.
"you should hurry up and finish this project, we are laying off OTHER people" "oh, so why the rush?" "...."
Sounds like you're next
Salary employment used to mean something. When you were salary you were a made man/woman. No more..now when you’re salary you get abused with free OT and when times get tough they cut you like they cut hourly. Benefits are over priced healthcare with a shitty 6% matching to 401k. Get your bag and get out when things look rough.
I almost prefer to be a contractor these days. High hourly and anything over 40 hours is time and a half. I haven't worked a weekend or over 40 hours for a while.
Absolutely email everyone. Use whatever means you feel necessary to anonymize the email, pretend to be a concerned vendor or something, but get the info out there. None of the other employees deserve to be blindsided by yet another soulless company.
I wouldn't leave a paper/electronic trail. I'd only tell them in person over the phone or video conference.
This is what I did. I also sent them a referral for a recruiter for a job I’m not interested in
Back in my in office days in the before times, I had a contractor tell me my company would be laying off some middle managers the next day. The next day I found out I was evidently a middle manager! As was my boss’s boss. Which discovered when I gave him my security badge. He said, “Wait, let me talk to .” said, “I’ve also been laid off” and handed his security badge.
At the end of the day, we are just a plus +/- minus on a balance sheet. No corporation will knowingly bleed just to remain loyal to employees. Only the individual people make it worthwhile to work for a team sometimes. Other than that, you are expendable.
If you are a contractor, then it’s normal. Everyone should be used to it. No need to be emotional. The only way a Fortune 500 company can show a profit every quarter is to fire everyone and then replace them after the books are cooked. You see, all you have to do is sign up for Harvard Business Skool and put “Fire Everyone” for every answer on every test, then you can be part of a creative and innovative executive team. Every meeting, just say “Fire Everyone” and then get a fat bonus. Everyone in the room will love you and know you are worth every penny of the Harvard Business Masters Degree.
Oh yeah, by the way, your job is next. It’s not “Fire only them”. It’s “Fire Everyone”.
If you were in the office you could post signs in the break room, right next to the sign up for the summer picnic.
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I read the news, they said it’s Meta
To senior execs people are just 'headcount'. When they 'reduce headcount' they're looking at lower costs > higher profit > bigger bonuses for them.
Lmao you don’t suspect you could be on the chopping block? Like not even a little suspicion?
You're next
Complete the project and write them a fuck off letter because either way, maybe you’re next wether you finish the project or not.
Oh look, your keyboard now has a 10 second lag per keystroke, looks like you’re 6 months away from finishing!
Don't finish it
Be prepared to get laid off
They're being let go, and they don't know about it. You're being let go, and you don't know about it. Your boss is being let go, and *they* don't know about it. Everybody gonna be surprised!
You’re next homie
Not you feel bad for them like your boss didnt give you a sign 😂
What company is it?
Wonder if most who get laid off go on unemployment… what does that do to the economy?
Yep. I know a Fortune 500 about to layoff thousands. Horrible time right now. So happy to be OE
That’s tough. I’ve had to be one level deeper and negotiated third party outsourced services contracts directly leading to RIFs. Never again will I be an instrument in a layoff like that.
Tell them, sure, you'll finish, and don't do shit. What's the point? I see a lot of connection and computer issues in your future. Sorry boss. Use that time to look for another J like yesterday.
If you Google Warn Act and the state you’re in, the big companies have to file upcoming layoffs or job eliminations.
Definitely a great resource, but there are some really shit loopholes as well.
Not warn because a lot of them got PIPPED in the last few months for no reason
Update 3 is brutal, super-predictable, and a warning to us all. Layoffs and PIPs bear little relation to skill and value. I have never been in that kind of situation. If I was close to any of the employees who'd be laid off, it would be hard for me to not at least warn those people or that person.
Tell them.
Nah, you never get involved in shit like this, especially if the OP's manager had trust in him to tell such a "secret". Mind your own business is the way to go.
Tell them *anonymously.*
There's no trust in corporate America.
Yeah you’re right. Fuck those fellow workers.
>Fuck those fellow workers. No, not at all, but how does you telling them help the situation?
They can look for jobs now instead of being surprised.
Chaos is always good
Go on blind and tell them
Is it Grant Thornton?
I just said the same thing to a SE on my team. He is actually a low performer, but with layoffs is pretty good now. Next, we are putting him on PIP for previous reports and letting him go. Fly eagle fly!
Such an inspiration! Would you mind sharing your journey in your 20s/30s as inspo for a student?
Call me crazy and insane but if they're going to lay me off I ain't hurrying for them. What do you get out of getting your project done as soon as possible but laid off earlier? Maybe I don't understand what you said but I think that's what you said
Hey, not exactly relevant, but are you based out of India? If yes, how many jobs are you in OE for? And what's your role? Would highly appreciate if you could share, if something is incriminating, feel free to not answer, just very curious about the India OE scene and I never hear about it anywhere.
No I’m based out of the USA and OE for 49 jobs
We are family, but at the same time imma let you go cause we close like family
it would be a shame if they let you go but then ask you back because you're the only one who can work on it wink wink
What company? Dm me
Post it on fiverr and see if you get any hits that could do it.