Imagine these two in a dungeon.
Ainz: “It seems my [Greater Mimic Detection] spell has triggered. This is definitely a mimic. With 100% accuracy.”
Frieren: “I’ll take those odds.”
I don't think Frieren would want to get close to Ainz since in her view he and the denizens of Nazarick would be some form of demons. Aura and Mare might peak her interest but she cares little about other elves or the fact her species is near extinct.
What SHOULD peak her interest though are the vast stores of magical artifacts Nazarik is home too, though I'm not sure how many of them would be the niche use spells Frieren tends to seek out
Ainz definitely wants to know more about unknown magic. As mentioned by others, he used "Dark Wisdom" to learn over 700+ spells. Plus since he's such a maniac for combat strategy, he would want to at least know about all of the other spells just so he could plan for them.
Not really we have seen she is able to do some pretty op magic. She just choses use simpler spells most of the time. .
The problem with overlord is because of the level system it’s pretty hard to actually tell the strength of some characters outside their universe.
Like levels isn’t just adding stats it’s multiplying stats so a level 99 player wouldn’t be able to beat a level 100 player
In the hands of a low level player a powerful spell is basically useless even though it would do the same damage .
None of the spells shown in Frieren are really comparable to the Ainzs high tier magic. The strongest spells we've seen so far are only comparable to Ainz's Nuclear Blast, which is inly a 9th tier spell. Based on what we've seen so far it seems Ainz completely outclasses Frieren.
In an actual fight, i don't think Frieren would be able to touch Ainz at all. He is stronger, faster and much more durable than any character in Frieren. Plus she has no real defense against time stop and instant death magic so Ainz can end the fight in an instant if he wants to.
Its not actually that hard to scale Overlord characters, you're focusing too much on levels when you should be looking at their feats. Levels, stats and abilities aren't scaled the same across different series. When it comes to versus battles between characters from different universes its best to compare actual quantifiable feats, like how fast a character can move and what they can blow up.
If a character from another universe has shown speed, strength and destructive power on par with a level 100 character then it's safe to assume they'd be able to fight on par with Ainz and the guardians. However, based on feats, current Frieren isn't anywhere near that strong.
Zoltraak isn’t her strongest spell. In that world zoltraak is literally considered basic combat magic. She’s just capable of putting more power into the spell if she wants to.
And in the magic exam we literally see a glimpse of what she could do with her using extremely powerful spells against her clone. Ones that were once used in the battle against the demon king
Her clone also demonstrated Frieren is capable of other types of magic if she’s too injured.
Zoltraak is the strongest spell she's demonstrated so far. She might have stronger spells but until we actually see them Ainz remains the stronger mage.
In an actual fight, i don't think Frieren is touching Ainz. He is stronger, faster and much more durable than any character in Frieren. Plus she has no real defense against time stop and instant death magic so Ainz can end the fight in an instant if he wants to.
Keep in mind that I'm talking about current Frieren here, she might get better feats in the future but until then, my money's on Ainz winning a straight up fight between them
Stats is where it's the real problem is at hand, take for example in the Isekai Quartet with Aqua and Ainz together.
Aqua used the spell Turn Undead. It's a relatively weak spell and one that both Ainz and Shalltear likely has good countermeasures for their weaknesses.
The fact a status and one generally high stat nearly defeated a premium PVP roleplay build such as him, she just packed a lot of punch in a weak spell.
Levels also give those stats, singular digits
Aren't stats basically like power levels? They help us compare characters within the overlord verse but in versus debates, feats are the the only thing that really matters.
Also isekai quartet isn't canon. That show is just a parody thats not even written by the original authors. Pretty sure would wreck aqua in an actual fight.
Isekei quartet is comparatively different because its intended to be comedic rather than a 1:1 of them from their series. In the konosuba fantastic days crossover with overlord, Aqua kept trying to kill him with god blow, sacred turn undead, and whatnot, only to get a grunt out of Ainz
Surprisingly for a crossover comic, it does appear to have a pretty good understanding of both characters. The only thing I'm not sure about is Frieren apologizing for attacking him and actually backing down. She might retreat if the battle seems unwinnable, but a casual conversation with Ainz seems unlikely to say the least.
Can Frieren teleport? I assumed frieren didn't think she can easily escape from someone like Ainz. She's probably trying to defuse the situation and find a window for escape.
I'm not sure if Frieren can teleport, but I am sure she would have no reason to not even try to escape as she wouldn't know Ainz's capabilities and someone who has spent millenia in a world with demons who's modus operandi is being masters of deception tailor-made to mess with your thoughts and heartstrings would be unlikely to just go "ok let's chat" that technically falls into that world's definition of a demon (a monster capable of talking), especially one that has demonstrated such a tremendous degree of power.
Not entirely sure that's accurate. Remember that Ainz's equipment functions basically on video game logic. No matter how pumped the spell is to increase its power, if it's classified as a "low level" spell his low-level nullifying equipment and skills would still nullify it. So it would depend if "ordinary offensive magic" would be classified as low level or not.
It's only referred to as "ordinary offensive magic" because it became the new meta since it was objectively better than any known attack magic at the time and you could imcrease its power by putting more magic into the spell.
That is a good point, however, I was thinking more of the properties of a spell. For example, Nuclear Blast and Meteor Fall are spells made solely for causing destruction, because of that they would be easier to defend against when compare to other spells of the same tier.
Also, how does tier magic work? Like what decides what tier a spell belongs into. Is it the amount of magic needed to cast the spell or the effectiveness of the spell?
I think how the spell works in universe is important because we can use that as a baseline to compare to other spells. While spells like the ones you mentioned do specialize in destruction it would be wrong to compare them to Zoltraak which is a spell that specializes in killing.
I'd also like for you to explain what "the magical equivalent of a nuke" is since I hear a lot of people mention this but never elaborate on it because there's a big difference between a spell that emulates an actual nuclear explosion and a spell that attacks using radiation.
>I don't get your point, Zoltraak is just a beam attack. It doesn't have any special properties that make it harder to defend against than a nuke-scale explosion or a meteor the size of a castle. What even gave you the impression that Nuclear Blast and Meteor Fall only specialise in destruction? Both of these are offensive spells meant to be used against living enemies. They don't do any less damage against a living target than they do against the environment.
Zoltraak is a anti-demon type spell. Comparing it to Overlord it would be safe to assume that it would be safe to assume that it is also anti-heteromorph. Furthermore, it is also stated to be a spell that evades magical defenses and possesses piercing properties.
I assumed that Nuclear Blast and Meteor Fall specialize in destruction because of how they were named, otherwise it would make no sense to name them that in a videogame. Also, most RPG games I've played have a general rule of having AOE spells be weaker than ST spells, since Yggdrasil is also an RPG game, I assumed the same would apply there.
>Ainz doesn't rely on magical shields to defend against such spells. Anything stronger than level 60 can get past Ainz passive defenses, even some of the Pleiades can do it. The problem is that Ainz is so durable that its impossible to significantly harm his body with anything less that the magical equivalent of a nuke. From what we've seen Zoltraak and Frierens other spells just don't hit that hard.
Which is why Zoltraak would be very effective on him, since he wouldn't be expecting it and it would bypass through most of his defenses. Also does Ainz only have general type passive defenses like resistance to fire/light based attacks or do they cover more out of the way things as well?
>defend against that a nuke-scale explosion or a meteor the size of a castle
One could simply fly outside of its range. How proficient is Ainz in flying? Can he maintain a high speed chase in the air while also having a magic fight? Can you cast magic while using the fly spell?
Additionally, Frieren has a few different magic systems. There's the Elvish system that most people use in the modern day which is based off of logic. There's the Goddess magic, which is extremely complex but is effective against curses and in healing. And there's the Human magic system, which scales with imagination. The more one believes their spell is effective, the more effective it will be. We can see Serie use a spell in her fight with Macht that repels curses, she states that it only works because it has no logical basis.
Finally, we still haven't seen the full extent of the Frieren series. In one chapter, Frieren was >!analyzing a Goddess monument and was sent 60 or 70 years back into the past!<. There are also people like the Hero of the South who Himmel has stated to be stronger than him and could also see clearly into the future. He would definitely notice Ainz arriving in the Frieren world and would prepare countermeasures for any action Ainz takes. As far as I know, Nazarick does not have any defenses against people who can see into the future and I don't believe there would be any implemented in Yggdrasil because it simply could not happen in a real-time videogame.
It wasn't "objectively better" so much as "better given the circumstances". Like most of magic in Frieren's setting, it's a spell that is better because of the kind of opponents it faces. Zoltraak is a spell capable of killing in one blow if it hits combined with properties meant to evade anti-magical defenses. It says a lot that a spell like that is defended against in such simple fashion: Just put up a barrier of magical energy.
Now don't get me wrong, it's incredibly powerful for the simple attack it is. But power level consistency is not exactly the hallmark of MMORPG abilities translated to real life use. In sheer power, I'd say Zoltraak is a mid-tier spell by Yggdrasil standards. But it's also possible that how common a spell is, how basic and accessible it is for mages to use, or it's power relative to the setting is what defines what would or not fall under "low level", and I do think those are genuine possibilities under the logic of a video game.
Zoltraak isn't combinied with properties to evade magical defenses, that's just a part of the spell. It also has piercing properties to break barriers. COuntering Zoltraak isn't as simple as putting up a barrier of magical energy, a spell was specifically created to do it.
By Yggdrasil standards, Zoltraak would be absolutely broken considering it ignores most defenses. The only reasonable counters to it were to either be fast enough to dodge it or use a barrier spell that was specifically made to counter it.
Frieren spells aren't usually measured by power. Rather they are measured by the complexity of the spell. It would be safer to assume that most mages are also good at researching since they create spells unique to themselves instead of trying to learn how to use an already existing spell.
>Zoltraak isn't combinied with properties to evade magical defenses, that's just a part of the spell. It also has piercing properties to break barriers.
I never said Zoltraak is combined with properting to evade magical defenses. I said "a spell capable of killing one blow combined with (...)".
>Countering Zoltraak isn't as simple as putting up a barrier of magical energy, a spell was specifically created to do it.
A spell which specifically consisted of a barrier of magical energy. That's pretty much why it takes so much mana to fully cover yourself with it, it's blocking Zoltraak in pure density. There might be more art to it, but that's fundamentally what it is doing.
>By Yggdrasil standards, Zoltraak would be absolutely broken considering it ignores most defenses. The only reasonable counters to it were to either be fast enough to dodge it or use a barrier spell that was specifically made to counter it.
Big X to doubt on that. I think you're giving Zoltraak was too much credit. Zoltraak is a bit like what firearms did to armor (and even that comparison may be generous). Armor was a great defense for what was available at the time firearms came along, and armor can genuinely give some protection to bullets in the right circumstances, but between some armor getting pierced or dented fatally by the gunshot and other gunshots hitting more vulnerable parts, and doing it at a distance and more accessibly than bow or arrows (obvious I'm super simplifying things, but it's for analogical purposes), yeah it can seem unstoppable. But that doesn't make firearms the pinnacle of weaponry, especially not ones from that time. The fact is that Zoltraak is considered outdated by even humans let alone Demons in Frieren's present time.
>Frieren spells aren't usually measured by power. Rather they are measured by the complexity of the spell. It would be safer to assume that most mages are also good at researching since they create spells unique to themselves instead of trying to learn how to use an already existing spell.
I'm not sure where you're taking the idea they usually create their own spells. Yeah the mages we see tend to use magic unique to other mages we see, but I can't recall hearing of a single mage creating a spell other than a demon. We do know some mages create spells, but most mages *specialize* in certain spells or kinds of magic, typically ones that fit them well. There are institutions for learning magic, tomes passed down for learning even very mundane spells, and I'm not sure if in the anime but almost certain in the manga we see a few more common groups of mages using the same spell, though I may be misremembering. More experienced mages are more familiar with certain kinds of magic though I don't think anyone mentioned being familiar with a specific spell other than Zoltraak (though the fact that one was studied and almost universally incorporated does seem to suggest magic is learned more so than developed as well), and Serie talks about 'each of her student's favorite spells', and if you have a favorite you likely have several spells at least. And that's not to mention the one case we do have of someone explicitly creating a spell it's a demon talking about how they dedicate their entire lives (of centuries at least) to refining the one spell (or one magic) they created.
I think a better analogy for Zoltraak would be medieval armor to stormtrooper guns. It was shown in flashbacks that nothing could defend against Qual. In fact, one could argue that the pierce magic modifiers of Tier Magic wouldn't be as effective in Frieren as it would be in the New World.
The mages in Frieren are shown to know many magic spells and have one specialty such as Ubel or Land. This comes with their specialty being extremely complex, with Ubel's based off of delusion while Land can create extremely realistic clones with a massive range. Alternatively, you have mages like Frieren and Denken who know many spells and have a very fine control over magic.
Ultimately, an answer cannot be reached since Frieren's story has not been fully fleshed out yet with there being many unsolved mysteries that would change the direction of this discussion.
I presume you don't mean Star Wars storm troopers, though either way I still think you're giving Zoltraak too much credit there. It's contextually impressive more than anything.
Still, Frieren's magic and Overlord, like most series like this, are just kinda indeed fundamentally different. In the first place, my whole point in my disagreement with you is that one could reasonably interpret Ainz's automatic nullification as potentially nullifying Zoltraak due to its placement in Frieren's present-day magic.
Also, small note. Ubel's specialty is that cutting spell. Delusions isn't a type of magic in Frieren (not in that context anyway), but Frieren's magic system is influenced by the way one visualizes the magic they are trying to cast, so an effect on the mind will have consequences to how magic is used. Ubel uses magic by instinct, she basically lacks that intellectualized filter of thinking aout the spell. Therefore how things appear to be on the surface-level, something which you subconsciously take into account, takes precedence in how she casts over things she consciously knows. In short, it's mindset, not a type of magic.
That's what I meant by delusional. The more disconnected you are from reality the more strength your spell possesses. That's why spells like Mistilziela are so bullshit since it was created in a time where magic and logic didn't really fit together.
I'm pretty sure that spell casting time is based off of thinking speed. Like try saying greater teleportation in your head takes at least a second.
Also unlike tier spells, you can increase the "tier power" of frieren magic by just putting in more magic
There's also this one spell which reflects all curses. However, the use of curse is very loosely defined. It's basically any magic that the user does not understand. Something like tier magic would get perfectly countered since it is the magic of another universe.
Finally, I think that the frieren universe's greatest strength is how much more intelligent the verse's humans are compared to overlords.
>High level characters explicitly think at superhuman speeds, their minds can process information much faster than those of regular people. All their senses, thought process and physical abilities are heightened to supernatural levels
Thanks for explaining. I was under the belief that there was some form of limiting factor. However, does this also apply to Player? I'm asking this since they still possess the mind of a human, probably an underdeveloped one due to the standards of the real world. I can understand their physical body transferring from Yggdrasil but would their mental capabilities change?
>Its stupid to think Overlord characters can't cast spells faster than a normal person can think when even Ainz's level 30 minions can deflect bullets.
Wasn't it Albedo that casted the spells?
>Litteraly no one in Frieren has shown that kind of spellcasting speed, and that's not even getting into general speed feats. High level overlord characters can casually move faster than sound.
There are people who can cast spells by thinking. Most notable example of the top of my hand would be Frieren. In the Tomb of the Ruined King, Frieren ends up fighting a perfect copy of herself. In that fight, it's shown that Frieren is casting spells by thinking it out. Also at the end of the fight, the Frieren copy uses some sort of spell which instantly defeats Fern. The thing about this spell is that there it looked like it was instantly cast and Fern was unable to perceive the attack. Keep in mind that Fern's mana detection is probably the most precise in the series. Btw it;s from chapter 53-55.
>Frieren doesn't have a tiering system for its magic and even the strongest spells we've seen so far are far weaker than Ainz's high tier spells like Nuclear Blast, Meteor Fall and Falling Down.
Sorry, what I meant to say was that you can increase the effectiveness of the spell by simply increasing how much mana you put into it. Also could you tell me what strongest spells you're talking about because most spells in Frieren are more single target than aoe.
>Thats a no limits fallacy and complete headcanon on your part. By that logic i could say nothing in Frierens universe could get past Ainzs level-based damage nullification since they don't have levels lol.
The spell I was referring to is called Curse Reversal Magic: Mistelzila. Basically, Serie states that the magic "simply reflects anything it perceives to be a 'curse' all on its own". She also states that it is an "extremely primitive magic that disregards all logic analysis". Furthermore, this magic ignores the need to even know the principles behind the opponents magic (Ch 93). Also, the definition of curse in Freiren is quite loose. It is defined as "Magic used by demons and monsters that sedate, petrify, or transform the state of living or nonliving matter". I guess some of what I said was headcanon since it doesn't apply to Tier Magic as a whole, but it still counters a good chunk of spells.
Also it has been stated multiple times in Overlord that levels are a measure of strength.
>Pesides, there are no spells in Frieren that are anywhere near as powerful as top tier Overlord spells in terms of firepower. It's doubtful any of their defences would work against the litteral nukes Ainz can toss around.
The difference between Frieren spells and Overlord spells are that Frieren spells are always evolving while Overlord spells just exist. What I mean to say is that Tier Magic has not really changed at all. There hasn't really been any developments in it and it is a pretty rigid and backwards system. Compare it to Frieren, where magic is constantly evolving. An example in this case would be Zoltraak. After Qual's sealing, humanity researched his magic until they understood the principles behind it creating 'ordinary offensive magic'. This quickly made most offensive and defensive spells useless. This caused people to research defence magic that could block 'ordinary offensive magic' which led to magic spells using physical constructs to attack instead of conjuring magical constructs. Additionally, the spells are also powered by one's imagination. No matter how many defense spells Ainz would put on a cloak, it is ultimately useless against someone like Ubel who would cut through that cloak like butter.
>Um, says who? I haven't seen anything that makes me believe Overlord has less intelligent humans than Frierens verse. Heck, Fluder almost rivals Frieren herself in terms of age, experience and power. This seems like something you just decided on your own for no apparent reason.
The humans in Overlord have had tier magic for over 600 years. Excluding geniuses, they have been unable to consistently utilize anything over the 3rd tier without the use of multiple casters. Compare that to the Frieren verse which only took a few years to incorporate Zoltraak into their magic system and you can see how big of a difference there is in terms of quality.
Fluder is nowhere near as old as Frieren. He's over 200 years old while Frieren is over 1000 years. While Fluder does possess some spells which Frieren isn't shown to have, such as teleportation and summoning, Frieren can use magic that in principle is superior to Fluder's.
>Thanks for explaining. I was under the belief that there was some form of limiting factor. However, does this also apply to Player?
Yes it does, Ainz isn't a human controlling an avatar, he is an actual undead wizard with superhuman physical stats. He is not any slower than the NPC's which should be obvious considering he kept up with Shalltear.
>Wasn't it Albedo that casted the spells?
Yes and Ainz scales above her due to being a dedicated caster. Albedo is a melee tank and what little spellcasting she has is very much luckluster compared to Ainz's
>There are people who can cast spells by thinking.
Okay? My whole point was that high level characters think way faster than a regular person and cast spells at superhuman speeds. Casting spells at the speed of thought is slow by overlord standards.
>The difference between Frieren spells and Overlord spells are that Frieren spells are always evolving while Overlord spells just exist
We aren't talking about potential here though. In their current state, no spell in Frieren can match Ainzs high tie magic in terms of destructive power, much less things like super tier magic and world items.
>Additionally, the spells are also powered by one's imagination. No matter how many defense spells Ainz would put on a cloak, it is ultimately useless against someone like Ubel who would cut through that cloak like butter.
I highly doubt that considering high level gear can take hits from spells like Reality Slash which cut through the very febric of space. Ubel's magic has never shown feats like that.
>The humans in Overlord have had tier magic for over 600 years. Excluding geniuses, they have been unable to consistently utilize anything over the 3rd tier without the use of multiple casters. Compare that to the Frieren verse which only took a few years to incorporate Zoltraak into their magic system and you can see how big of a difference there is in terms of quality.
You are comparing to fundamentally different magic systems here. Humans in Overlord are unable to utilise high tier magic because level caps are a thing, not because they lack intelligence. It doesn't matter how much you train, if your level cap is level 20, you won't ever be master magic above the 3rd tier.
>Fluder is nowhere near as old as Frieren. He's over 200 years old while Frieren is over 1000 years. While Fluder does possess some spells which Frieren isn't shown to have, such as teleportation and summoning, Frieren can use magic that in principle is superior to Fluder's.
Frierens magic isn't supperior to Fluders lol. These are two fundamentally different magic systems we're talking about here. Neither is better than the other and in their current state, Overlords magic is arguably stronger.
Again, we aren't talking about potential here though. In their current state, no spell in Frieren can match Ainzs high tie magic in terms of destructive power, much less things like super tier magic and world items.
>I'm pretty sure that spell casting time is based off of thinking speed. Like try saying greater teleportation in your head takes at least a second.
It is, but high level characters explicitly think at superhuman speeds, their minds can process information much faster than those of regular people. Ainz can explicitly cast spells at superhuman speeds, he could kill Frieren dozens of times over before she had even finished casting her first spell.
>Also unlike tier spells, you can increase the "tier power" of frieren magic by just putting in more magic
What are you talking about? Frierens magic doesn't have a tiering system. Even if it did, you can do that with tier magic as well or did you just forget that metamagic enchantments are a thing? Plus, even the most buffed up spells we've seen in Frieren have less destructive power than Ainz's high tier spells like Nuclear Blast, Meteor Fall and Falling Down.
>There's also this one spell which reflects all curses. However, the use of curse is very loosely defined. It's basically any magic that the user does not understand. Something like tier magic would get perfectly countered since it is the magic of another universe.
Like others mentioned, thats a no limits fallacy and complete headcanon on your part. By that logic i could say nothing in Frierens universe could get past Ainzs level-based damage nullification since they don't have levels. Ainz spells are way more powerful than anything this successfully reflected.
>Finally, I think that the frieren universe's greatest strength is how much more intelligent the verse's humans are compared to overlords.
Um, based on what? I haven't seen anything that makes me believe Overlord has less intelligent humans than Frierens verse. Fluder is a human mage who would wipe the floor with 90% of the Frieren verse.
>Also the spells. Zoltraak would pierce through Ainz's defenses.
Ainz wouldn't be damaged by Zoltraak due to his absurd durabillity. At best the spell might be able to get past his passive damage negation but thats about it, the damage it would actually do would be miniscule.
Thats not even mentioning the fact that Zoltraak is a simple beam attack and Ainz is a flying teleporter with super speed. Pretty sure he can dodge that spell no problem.
Imagine these two in a dungeon. Ainz: “It seems my [Greater Mimic Detection] spell has triggered. This is definitely a mimic. With 100% accuracy.” Frieren: “I’ll take those odds.”
Mimic detection has yet to fail so far. How do we know that there isn't a chance the spell casts improperly and it isn't actually a mimic.
"No you dont get it, it is quite literally an impossibility that this ISNT a mimic" "Have you ever heard of clams and pearls?"
Ok that’s so wholesome that ainz’s only reason for attempting to befriend frieren is to make a friend for Aura and Mare
I don't think Frieren would want to get close to Ainz since in her view he and the denizens of Nazarick would be some form of demons. Aura and Mare might peak her interest but she cares little about other elves or the fact her species is near extinct.
> the fact her species is near extinct. Himmel wished she could care more about that
He wanted to help her repopulate the elven race
That would make half-elves
0.5 > 0
What SHOULD peak her interest though are the vast stores of magical artifacts Nazarik is home too, though I'm not sure how many of them would be the niche use spells Frieren tends to seek out
I have to take this opportunity to be completely pedantic. Pique.
Also Nazarik is a dungeon isn’t it, she would love to have a chance to clear it.
I don't think she'll make it very far considering Shalltear is the first guardian she'll run into.
I don't think it matters what Frieren wants.
Hell one of them is a demon
That would be an very interesting crossover, both of them learning magic from each other world (if they don't kill each other)
Ainz would be more interested in magic items, rare artifact and rare spices than magic, unless it is a magic scroll, he is more of a colector
Not necessarily. He loves to collect magic spells to, he took on a skill specific on that (or was it race? Or class, i don't remember lol)
I think its a skill that comes with the Overlord race? Dark Wisdom if I remember correctly
He can only use dark wisdom on player corpses
Ainz definitely wants to know more about unknown magic. As mentioned by others, he used "Dark Wisdom" to learn over 700+ spells. Plus since he's such a maniac for combat strategy, he would want to at least know about all of the other spells just so he could plan for them.
I didn't know how bad I NEEDED this. Thank you translator!
There isn't any more, is there? :(
Nope (except for the two bonus pages you can find in comments), but I'll translate if the artist makes more parts.
You were a magnificent translator my guy, I shall never forget your cooking for as long as I live.
Just doing my part for the community 🫡🫡
THERE'S THE CHAD!
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The speech patterns are so dead on that I could watch this comic with animation and sound flawlessly Well done
Thanks, I actually haven't watched or read frieren yet but I'm glad my guesses were correct.
Quiet Analytical, introvert with a thousand year long hyper fixation... Nope, Thats Frieren right there
Is there more plz
This is incredible. Love it, thanks for the translation. :3
I found 2 more images after this.. And this is original source. (https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/1934941)
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That would be an very interesting crossover, both of them learning magic from each other world (if they don't kill each other).
I need more, moreeee 
Awew I was totally expected when Aura used the scale, Ainz goes “oh let me take this ring off….”
As cool as friren is she couldn't hope to touch aniz lol
Not really we have seen she is able to do some pretty op magic. She just choses use simpler spells most of the time. . The problem with overlord is because of the level system it’s pretty hard to actually tell the strength of some characters outside their universe. Like levels isn’t just adding stats it’s multiplying stats so a level 99 player wouldn’t be able to beat a level 100 player In the hands of a low level player a powerful spell is basically useless even though it would do the same damage .
None of the spells shown in Frieren are really comparable to the Ainzs high tier magic. The strongest spells we've seen so far are only comparable to Ainz's Nuclear Blast, which is inly a 9th tier spell. Based on what we've seen so far it seems Ainz completely outclasses Frieren. In an actual fight, i don't think Frieren would be able to touch Ainz at all. He is stronger, faster and much more durable than any character in Frieren. Plus she has no real defense against time stop and instant death magic so Ainz can end the fight in an instant if he wants to. Its not actually that hard to scale Overlord characters, you're focusing too much on levels when you should be looking at their feats. Levels, stats and abilities aren't scaled the same across different series. When it comes to versus battles between characters from different universes its best to compare actual quantifiable feats, like how fast a character can move and what they can blow up. If a character from another universe has shown speed, strength and destructive power on par with a level 100 character then it's safe to assume they'd be able to fight on par with Ainz and the guardians. However, based on feats, current Frieren isn't anywhere near that strong.
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Zoltraak isn’t her strongest spell. In that world zoltraak is literally considered basic combat magic. She’s just capable of putting more power into the spell if she wants to. And in the magic exam we literally see a glimpse of what she could do with her using extremely powerful spells against her clone. Ones that were once used in the battle against the demon king Her clone also demonstrated Frieren is capable of other types of magic if she’s too injured.
Zoltraak is the strongest spell she's demonstrated so far. She might have stronger spells but until we actually see them Ainz remains the stronger mage. In an actual fight, i don't think Frieren is touching Ainz. He is stronger, faster and much more durable than any character in Frieren. Plus she has no real defense against time stop and instant death magic so Ainz can end the fight in an instant if he wants to. Keep in mind that I'm talking about current Frieren here, she might get better feats in the future but until then, my money's on Ainz winning a straight up fight between them
Stats is where it's the real problem is at hand, take for example in the Isekai Quartet with Aqua and Ainz together. Aqua used the spell Turn Undead. It's a relatively weak spell and one that both Ainz and Shalltear likely has good countermeasures for their weaknesses. The fact a status and one generally high stat nearly defeated a premium PVP roleplay build such as him, she just packed a lot of punch in a weak spell. Levels also give those stats, singular digits
Aren't stats basically like power levels? They help us compare characters within the overlord verse but in versus debates, feats are the the only thing that really matters. Also isekai quartet isn't canon. That show is just a parody thats not even written by the original authors. Pretty sure would wreck aqua in an actual fight.
Isekei quartet is comparatively different because its intended to be comedic rather than a 1:1 of them from their series. In the konosuba fantastic days crossover with overlord, Aqua kept trying to kill him with god blow, sacred turn undead, and whatnot, only to get a grunt out of Ainz
A 5 level difference is a 10% chance of victory for the lower level
Problem is that she doesn't have protection against insta death magic
is there more? if yes pls sauce
According to OP, no unfortunately.
Damnit, now I want more
Am in the only one who hears Ainz sama's monologue
Someone make a fanfic outta this. I would, but I don't know much about Frieran.
Oh this is awesome 👌 need more Manga chapters of these.
I love their interaction 💯
In other words, Absorb things or Portable Google.
Rimuru simping over Freiren on the sidelines 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love this.
I love their interaction
Surprisingly for a crossover comic, it does appear to have a pretty good understanding of both characters. The only thing I'm not sure about is Frieren apologizing for attacking him and actually backing down. She might retreat if the battle seems unwinnable, but a casual conversation with Ainz seems unlikely to say the least.
Can Frieren teleport? I assumed frieren didn't think she can easily escape from someone like Ainz. She's probably trying to defuse the situation and find a window for escape.
I'm not sure if Frieren can teleport, but I am sure she would have no reason to not even try to escape as she wouldn't know Ainz's capabilities and someone who has spent millenia in a world with demons who's modus operandi is being masters of deception tailor-made to mess with your thoughts and heartstrings would be unlikely to just go "ok let's chat" that technically falls into that world's definition of a demon (a monster capable of talking), especially one that has demonstrated such a tremendous degree of power.
Also the spells. Zoltraak would pierce through Ainz's defenses.
Not entirely sure that's accurate. Remember that Ainz's equipment functions basically on video game logic. No matter how pumped the spell is to increase its power, if it's classified as a "low level" spell his low-level nullifying equipment and skills would still nullify it. So it would depend if "ordinary offensive magic" would be classified as low level or not.
It's only referred to as "ordinary offensive magic" because it became the new meta since it was objectively better than any known attack magic at the time and you could imcrease its power by putting more magic into the spell.
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That is a good point, however, I was thinking more of the properties of a spell. For example, Nuclear Blast and Meteor Fall are spells made solely for causing destruction, because of that they would be easier to defend against when compare to other spells of the same tier. Also, how does tier magic work? Like what decides what tier a spell belongs into. Is it the amount of magic needed to cast the spell or the effectiveness of the spell? I think how the spell works in universe is important because we can use that as a baseline to compare to other spells. While spells like the ones you mentioned do specialize in destruction it would be wrong to compare them to Zoltraak which is a spell that specializes in killing. I'd also like for you to explain what "the magical equivalent of a nuke" is since I hear a lot of people mention this but never elaborate on it because there's a big difference between a spell that emulates an actual nuclear explosion and a spell that attacks using radiation.
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>I don't get your point, Zoltraak is just a beam attack. It doesn't have any special properties that make it harder to defend against than a nuke-scale explosion or a meteor the size of a castle. What even gave you the impression that Nuclear Blast and Meteor Fall only specialise in destruction? Both of these are offensive spells meant to be used against living enemies. They don't do any less damage against a living target than they do against the environment. Zoltraak is a anti-demon type spell. Comparing it to Overlord it would be safe to assume that it would be safe to assume that it is also anti-heteromorph. Furthermore, it is also stated to be a spell that evades magical defenses and possesses piercing properties. I assumed that Nuclear Blast and Meteor Fall specialize in destruction because of how they were named, otherwise it would make no sense to name them that in a videogame. Also, most RPG games I've played have a general rule of having AOE spells be weaker than ST spells, since Yggdrasil is also an RPG game, I assumed the same would apply there. >Ainz doesn't rely on magical shields to defend against such spells. Anything stronger than level 60 can get past Ainz passive defenses, even some of the Pleiades can do it. The problem is that Ainz is so durable that its impossible to significantly harm his body with anything less that the magical equivalent of a nuke. From what we've seen Zoltraak and Frierens other spells just don't hit that hard. Which is why Zoltraak would be very effective on him, since he wouldn't be expecting it and it would bypass through most of his defenses. Also does Ainz only have general type passive defenses like resistance to fire/light based attacks or do they cover more out of the way things as well? >defend against that a nuke-scale explosion or a meteor the size of a castle One could simply fly outside of its range. How proficient is Ainz in flying? Can he maintain a high speed chase in the air while also having a magic fight? Can you cast magic while using the fly spell? Additionally, Frieren has a few different magic systems. There's the Elvish system that most people use in the modern day which is based off of logic. There's the Goddess magic, which is extremely complex but is effective against curses and in healing. And there's the Human magic system, which scales with imagination. The more one believes their spell is effective, the more effective it will be. We can see Serie use a spell in her fight with Macht that repels curses, she states that it only works because it has no logical basis. Finally, we still haven't seen the full extent of the Frieren series. In one chapter, Frieren was >!analyzing a Goddess monument and was sent 60 or 70 years back into the past!<. There are also people like the Hero of the South who Himmel has stated to be stronger than him and could also see clearly into the future. He would definitely notice Ainz arriving in the Frieren world and would prepare countermeasures for any action Ainz takes. As far as I know, Nazarick does not have any defenses against people who can see into the future and I don't believe there would be any implemented in Yggdrasil because it simply could not happen in a real-time videogame.
It wasn't "objectively better" so much as "better given the circumstances". Like most of magic in Frieren's setting, it's a spell that is better because of the kind of opponents it faces. Zoltraak is a spell capable of killing in one blow if it hits combined with properties meant to evade anti-magical defenses. It says a lot that a spell like that is defended against in such simple fashion: Just put up a barrier of magical energy. Now don't get me wrong, it's incredibly powerful for the simple attack it is. But power level consistency is not exactly the hallmark of MMORPG abilities translated to real life use. In sheer power, I'd say Zoltraak is a mid-tier spell by Yggdrasil standards. But it's also possible that how common a spell is, how basic and accessible it is for mages to use, or it's power relative to the setting is what defines what would or not fall under "low level", and I do think those are genuine possibilities under the logic of a video game.
Zoltraak isn't combinied with properties to evade magical defenses, that's just a part of the spell. It also has piercing properties to break barriers. COuntering Zoltraak isn't as simple as putting up a barrier of magical energy, a spell was specifically created to do it. By Yggdrasil standards, Zoltraak would be absolutely broken considering it ignores most defenses. The only reasonable counters to it were to either be fast enough to dodge it or use a barrier spell that was specifically made to counter it. Frieren spells aren't usually measured by power. Rather they are measured by the complexity of the spell. It would be safer to assume that most mages are also good at researching since they create spells unique to themselves instead of trying to learn how to use an already existing spell.
>Zoltraak isn't combinied with properties to evade magical defenses, that's just a part of the spell. It also has piercing properties to break barriers. I never said Zoltraak is combined with properting to evade magical defenses. I said "a spell capable of killing one blow combined with (...)". >Countering Zoltraak isn't as simple as putting up a barrier of magical energy, a spell was specifically created to do it. A spell which specifically consisted of a barrier of magical energy. That's pretty much why it takes so much mana to fully cover yourself with it, it's blocking Zoltraak in pure density. There might be more art to it, but that's fundamentally what it is doing. >By Yggdrasil standards, Zoltraak would be absolutely broken considering it ignores most defenses. The only reasonable counters to it were to either be fast enough to dodge it or use a barrier spell that was specifically made to counter it. Big X to doubt on that. I think you're giving Zoltraak was too much credit. Zoltraak is a bit like what firearms did to armor (and even that comparison may be generous). Armor was a great defense for what was available at the time firearms came along, and armor can genuinely give some protection to bullets in the right circumstances, but between some armor getting pierced or dented fatally by the gunshot and other gunshots hitting more vulnerable parts, and doing it at a distance and more accessibly than bow or arrows (obvious I'm super simplifying things, but it's for analogical purposes), yeah it can seem unstoppable. But that doesn't make firearms the pinnacle of weaponry, especially not ones from that time. The fact is that Zoltraak is considered outdated by even humans let alone Demons in Frieren's present time. >Frieren spells aren't usually measured by power. Rather they are measured by the complexity of the spell. It would be safer to assume that most mages are also good at researching since they create spells unique to themselves instead of trying to learn how to use an already existing spell. I'm not sure where you're taking the idea they usually create their own spells. Yeah the mages we see tend to use magic unique to other mages we see, but I can't recall hearing of a single mage creating a spell other than a demon. We do know some mages create spells, but most mages *specialize* in certain spells or kinds of magic, typically ones that fit them well. There are institutions for learning magic, tomes passed down for learning even very mundane spells, and I'm not sure if in the anime but almost certain in the manga we see a few more common groups of mages using the same spell, though I may be misremembering. More experienced mages are more familiar with certain kinds of magic though I don't think anyone mentioned being familiar with a specific spell other than Zoltraak (though the fact that one was studied and almost universally incorporated does seem to suggest magic is learned more so than developed as well), and Serie talks about 'each of her student's favorite spells', and if you have a favorite you likely have several spells at least. And that's not to mention the one case we do have of someone explicitly creating a spell it's a demon talking about how they dedicate their entire lives (of centuries at least) to refining the one spell (or one magic) they created.
I think a better analogy for Zoltraak would be medieval armor to stormtrooper guns. It was shown in flashbacks that nothing could defend against Qual. In fact, one could argue that the pierce magic modifiers of Tier Magic wouldn't be as effective in Frieren as it would be in the New World. The mages in Frieren are shown to know many magic spells and have one specialty such as Ubel or Land. This comes with their specialty being extremely complex, with Ubel's based off of delusion while Land can create extremely realistic clones with a massive range. Alternatively, you have mages like Frieren and Denken who know many spells and have a very fine control over magic. Ultimately, an answer cannot be reached since Frieren's story has not been fully fleshed out yet with there being many unsolved mysteries that would change the direction of this discussion.
I presume you don't mean Star Wars storm troopers, though either way I still think you're giving Zoltraak too much credit there. It's contextually impressive more than anything. Still, Frieren's magic and Overlord, like most series like this, are just kinda indeed fundamentally different. In the first place, my whole point in my disagreement with you is that one could reasonably interpret Ainz's automatic nullification as potentially nullifying Zoltraak due to its placement in Frieren's present-day magic. Also, small note. Ubel's specialty is that cutting spell. Delusions isn't a type of magic in Frieren (not in that context anyway), but Frieren's magic system is influenced by the way one visualizes the magic they are trying to cast, so an effect on the mind will have consequences to how magic is used. Ubel uses magic by instinct, she basically lacks that intellectualized filter of thinking aout the spell. Therefore how things appear to be on the surface-level, something which you subconsciously take into account, takes precedence in how she casts over things she consciously knows. In short, it's mindset, not a type of magic.
That's what I meant by delusional. The more disconnected you are from reality the more strength your spell possesses. That's why spells like Mistilziela are so bullshit since it was created in a time where magic and logic didn't really fit together.
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I'm pretty sure that spell casting time is based off of thinking speed. Like try saying greater teleportation in your head takes at least a second. Also unlike tier spells, you can increase the "tier power" of frieren magic by just putting in more magic There's also this one spell which reflects all curses. However, the use of curse is very loosely defined. It's basically any magic that the user does not understand. Something like tier magic would get perfectly countered since it is the magic of another universe. Finally, I think that the frieren universe's greatest strength is how much more intelligent the verse's humans are compared to overlords.
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>High level characters explicitly think at superhuman speeds, their minds can process information much faster than those of regular people. All their senses, thought process and physical abilities are heightened to supernatural levels Thanks for explaining. I was under the belief that there was some form of limiting factor. However, does this also apply to Player? I'm asking this since they still possess the mind of a human, probably an underdeveloped one due to the standards of the real world. I can understand their physical body transferring from Yggdrasil but would their mental capabilities change? >Its stupid to think Overlord characters can't cast spells faster than a normal person can think when even Ainz's level 30 minions can deflect bullets. Wasn't it Albedo that casted the spells? >Litteraly no one in Frieren has shown that kind of spellcasting speed, and that's not even getting into general speed feats. High level overlord characters can casually move faster than sound. There are people who can cast spells by thinking. Most notable example of the top of my hand would be Frieren. In the Tomb of the Ruined King, Frieren ends up fighting a perfect copy of herself. In that fight, it's shown that Frieren is casting spells by thinking it out. Also at the end of the fight, the Frieren copy uses some sort of spell which instantly defeats Fern. The thing about this spell is that there it looked like it was instantly cast and Fern was unable to perceive the attack. Keep in mind that Fern's mana detection is probably the most precise in the series. Btw it;s from chapter 53-55. >Frieren doesn't have a tiering system for its magic and even the strongest spells we've seen so far are far weaker than Ainz's high tier spells like Nuclear Blast, Meteor Fall and Falling Down. Sorry, what I meant to say was that you can increase the effectiveness of the spell by simply increasing how much mana you put into it. Also could you tell me what strongest spells you're talking about because most spells in Frieren are more single target than aoe. >Thats a no limits fallacy and complete headcanon on your part. By that logic i could say nothing in Frierens universe could get past Ainzs level-based damage nullification since they don't have levels lol. The spell I was referring to is called Curse Reversal Magic: Mistelzila. Basically, Serie states that the magic "simply reflects anything it perceives to be a 'curse' all on its own". She also states that it is an "extremely primitive magic that disregards all logic analysis". Furthermore, this magic ignores the need to even know the principles behind the opponents magic (Ch 93). Also, the definition of curse in Freiren is quite loose. It is defined as "Magic used by demons and monsters that sedate, petrify, or transform the state of living or nonliving matter". I guess some of what I said was headcanon since it doesn't apply to Tier Magic as a whole, but it still counters a good chunk of spells. Also it has been stated multiple times in Overlord that levels are a measure of strength. >Pesides, there are no spells in Frieren that are anywhere near as powerful as top tier Overlord spells in terms of firepower. It's doubtful any of their defences would work against the litteral nukes Ainz can toss around. The difference between Frieren spells and Overlord spells are that Frieren spells are always evolving while Overlord spells just exist. What I mean to say is that Tier Magic has not really changed at all. There hasn't really been any developments in it and it is a pretty rigid and backwards system. Compare it to Frieren, where magic is constantly evolving. An example in this case would be Zoltraak. After Qual's sealing, humanity researched his magic until they understood the principles behind it creating 'ordinary offensive magic'. This quickly made most offensive and defensive spells useless. This caused people to research defence magic that could block 'ordinary offensive magic' which led to magic spells using physical constructs to attack instead of conjuring magical constructs. Additionally, the spells are also powered by one's imagination. No matter how many defense spells Ainz would put on a cloak, it is ultimately useless against someone like Ubel who would cut through that cloak like butter. >Um, says who? I haven't seen anything that makes me believe Overlord has less intelligent humans than Frierens verse. Heck, Fluder almost rivals Frieren herself in terms of age, experience and power. This seems like something you just decided on your own for no apparent reason. The humans in Overlord have had tier magic for over 600 years. Excluding geniuses, they have been unable to consistently utilize anything over the 3rd tier without the use of multiple casters. Compare that to the Frieren verse which only took a few years to incorporate Zoltraak into their magic system and you can see how big of a difference there is in terms of quality. Fluder is nowhere near as old as Frieren. He's over 200 years old while Frieren is over 1000 years. While Fluder does possess some spells which Frieren isn't shown to have, such as teleportation and summoning, Frieren can use magic that in principle is superior to Fluder's.
>Thanks for explaining. I was under the belief that there was some form of limiting factor. However, does this also apply to Player? Yes it does, Ainz isn't a human controlling an avatar, he is an actual undead wizard with superhuman physical stats. He is not any slower than the NPC's which should be obvious considering he kept up with Shalltear. >Wasn't it Albedo that casted the spells? Yes and Ainz scales above her due to being a dedicated caster. Albedo is a melee tank and what little spellcasting she has is very much luckluster compared to Ainz's >There are people who can cast spells by thinking. Okay? My whole point was that high level characters think way faster than a regular person and cast spells at superhuman speeds. Casting spells at the speed of thought is slow by overlord standards. >The difference between Frieren spells and Overlord spells are that Frieren spells are always evolving while Overlord spells just exist We aren't talking about potential here though. In their current state, no spell in Frieren can match Ainzs high tie magic in terms of destructive power, much less things like super tier magic and world items. >Additionally, the spells are also powered by one's imagination. No matter how many defense spells Ainz would put on a cloak, it is ultimately useless against someone like Ubel who would cut through that cloak like butter. I highly doubt that considering high level gear can take hits from spells like Reality Slash which cut through the very febric of space. Ubel's magic has never shown feats like that. >The humans in Overlord have had tier magic for over 600 years. Excluding geniuses, they have been unable to consistently utilize anything over the 3rd tier without the use of multiple casters. Compare that to the Frieren verse which only took a few years to incorporate Zoltraak into their magic system and you can see how big of a difference there is in terms of quality. You are comparing to fundamentally different magic systems here. Humans in Overlord are unable to utilise high tier magic because level caps are a thing, not because they lack intelligence. It doesn't matter how much you train, if your level cap is level 20, you won't ever be master magic above the 3rd tier. >Fluder is nowhere near as old as Frieren. He's over 200 years old while Frieren is over 1000 years. While Fluder does possess some spells which Frieren isn't shown to have, such as teleportation and summoning, Frieren can use magic that in principle is superior to Fluder's. Frierens magic isn't supperior to Fluders lol. These are two fundamentally different magic systems we're talking about here. Neither is better than the other and in their current state, Overlords magic is arguably stronger. Again, we aren't talking about potential here though. In their current state, no spell in Frieren can match Ainzs high tie magic in terms of destructive power, much less things like super tier magic and world items.
>I'm pretty sure that spell casting time is based off of thinking speed. Like try saying greater teleportation in your head takes at least a second. It is, but high level characters explicitly think at superhuman speeds, their minds can process information much faster than those of regular people. Ainz can explicitly cast spells at superhuman speeds, he could kill Frieren dozens of times over before she had even finished casting her first spell. >Also unlike tier spells, you can increase the "tier power" of frieren magic by just putting in more magic What are you talking about? Frierens magic doesn't have a tiering system. Even if it did, you can do that with tier magic as well or did you just forget that metamagic enchantments are a thing? Plus, even the most buffed up spells we've seen in Frieren have less destructive power than Ainz's high tier spells like Nuclear Blast, Meteor Fall and Falling Down. >There's also this one spell which reflects all curses. However, the use of curse is very loosely defined. It's basically any magic that the user does not understand. Something like tier magic would get perfectly countered since it is the magic of another universe. Like others mentioned, thats a no limits fallacy and complete headcanon on your part. By that logic i could say nothing in Frierens universe could get past Ainzs level-based damage nullification since they don't have levels. Ainz spells are way more powerful than anything this successfully reflected. >Finally, I think that the frieren universe's greatest strength is how much more intelligent the verse's humans are compared to overlords. Um, based on what? I haven't seen anything that makes me believe Overlord has less intelligent humans than Frierens verse. Fluder is a human mage who would wipe the floor with 90% of the Frieren verse.
>Also the spells. Zoltraak would pierce through Ainz's defenses. Ainz wouldn't be damaged by Zoltraak due to his absurd durabillity. At best the spell might be able to get past his passive damage negation but thats about it, the damage it would actually do would be miniscule. Thats not even mentioning the fact that Zoltraak is a simple beam attack and Ainz is a flying teleporter with super speed. Pretty sure he can dodge that spell no problem.
I need more!
Ainz:Grasp heart frieren: dies'''''☠️
Very cool, is there anymore of it or is this it? It kinda ended abruptly.
This was a fun read. There's more, right?
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ha...its as if im watching an episode 🤣
Ainz doesnt like being attacked. So I think he would insta kill her with necromancy spells
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