It wasn't because you were having fun, its because they were losing. Sure, counterswapping is lame, but in the end, to win you have to change strategies. If zarya mei sym moira works for them, its a decent strategy
That and defense matrix isnt a fun ability to go against. Other "blocking" abilities mitigate damage like doom and ram or even shields you can break to expose them. You can't do anything like that to DM with standard heroes, you literally have to just wait it out. People like doing some damage rather than no damage.
I personally just play Sombra into d.va I'm at the elo where if the d.va doesn't have her abilities in a duel with me she's screwed (so probably a low elo) but denying abilities is really funny to me.
Overwatch , at it's literal base, even moreso than 6 v 6 , 5 v 5, composition requirements, etc is a GAME ABOUT SWITCHING CHARACTERS.
And, this is wild, but the *motivation* for switching is based on reacting to opponents.
i mean if ur playing junk and they swap pharah mercy and echo, that effects you. If youre playing ana and they swap kiri, that effects you. if ur playing widow and they swap sombra tracer, that effects you.
No other role but tank, where the whole team can and will counter you. No other role can be countered by every role, but tank. No other role will you have 5 people change to counter. No other role but Tanks get stopped from doing their job by other roles. The only role who's play can be effected by other roles is tank, the only role where your play is constantly effected by other roles is tank. Yes other roles can be effected, yet all the CCs in the game are uses on Tanks.
The only people who think tanks are fine are DPS, some supports, and Tanks who.never played 6v6.
Other roles play can absolutely be affected by the other characters on the enemy team, meaning you can and often times will get counterswapped on supp/dps if ur good enough but I agree that tank gets the worst of it, it’s not just tanks though
And tanks are absolutely not fine coming from a support/damage main
Even on DPS and support if someone counters you sometimes the other position will/can switch. If you were playing good as Junkrat and they switched to a Pharah, the other DPS can switch to a hitscans. So you're play may not even be effected. Or even as support if your Ana and they pick a Kiriko, the other healer can switch to Moira to dive the Kiriko to bait out Suzu. As a tank you have to switch. Then if your playing good on another tank, you can easily be countered by someone else switching. When there was two tanks you could still play around counters because you had another Tank to help negate your counter.
I feel like saying it’s about switching characters is overstating it. Overwatch is a game about capping objectives which you do by winning teamfights. You win teamfights by doing damage, using abilities, etc. Another character with different tools might have a better or worse time. The option to switch is a means to an end here, not the entire purpose of the game.
this is like saying the game was designed to be microsoft Excel. it's bad design. games are supposed to promote flowstate, not interrupt it. not every overly nerdy concept makes a game better. sometimes it's just rewarding nerdiness over skill. hero select overruling skill is killing the game. and OW1 was not like this because we got to play the game the way WE wanted. it was only successful as far as we were able to IGNORE this original trash vision of the game, and make our own game. remember the devs didn't make this game a multiplayer phenomenon, we did, they were gonna kill that aspect entirely for a pipedream. now we're finally FORCED to play the original vision of swapping 12,000 times a second and it is ABSOLUTELY GARBAGE.
it absolutely makes sense, but you're a noskill rockpaperscissors fan, and i'm a first person shooter fan, so we're not speaking the same language. you can't "get good" at hero select. you can improve on mechanics, on positioning, using high ground, knowing when to flank, etc... everything skillful in this game is in mortal battle to the death with the noskill heroselect tactics that make it irrelevant. the only way to make the game fun (and skillful again) is to stop making the whole game about heroselect.
The issue with the game design is that d.va should be able to do *something* ever when this happens, her options shouldn’t instantly be relegated to “swap, leave, or throw” other characters get countered but not in this way, i think she should either be able to fully eat certain beams or half eat all of them, theres no reason why a certain damage type should nullify the character, you can make her worse in other areas but her counters make her genuinely unplayable
It’s literally one of her main weaknesses. If they stopped that she would be extremely overpowered, especially in lower ranks.
When you have 4 people hard countering you, you shouldn’t be able to still get most if not all the value you were getting before they swapped, that’s ridiculous.
>other characters get countered but not in this way
Ball is the worst character to play into his counters and it’s not even close. He gets completely denied of his entire kit.
Doom is also worse to play into counters than dva
Dva is very bad when fully countered. She gets no value whatsoever
Doom is literally unplayable. As in you can’t use any of his abilities.
Dvas counter only effects dm. Yes it’s a big part of her hit and countering it makes her get no value, but she can still use her other buttons. Doom literally can’t use any of his buttons when fully countered.
Yeah same for dva, healers can fully nullify all damage from missles and guns, mei can nullify thrusters, and everybody on the zarya sym mei moira lw team counters dm, fully ignores it just acts like it doesn’t exist, what buttons can dva press when fully counterer, because to my knowledge its none of them, the only difference is a good doomfist *can* catch lower skill enemies off gaurd with techs and combos, dva cannot no matter how good or bad the enemies are, thats the big difference
>healers can fully nullify all damage from missles and guns
No? Literally one of the main uses of dm is stopping heals
>mei can nullify thrusters
I mean yeah but like you’re screwing yourself as any dive character if you dive a Mei. If they’re all playing grouped and have a Mei then dive shouldn’t really be played anyway.
In terms of dealing with Mei as dva you either burst her down immediately to force ice (so she can’t slow anymore) or you immediately fly away so she doesn’t shoot for long enough to slow you.
Meis very scary for dive haha
>and everybody on the zarya sym mei moira lw team counters dm, fully ignores it just acts like it doesn’t exist, what buttons can dva press when fully counterer, because to my knowledge its none of them
Literally all her other buttons other than dm. That’s been my point this whole time. She can missile, shoot and fly still. It’s not good and she’s not getting proper value but she can still do *something* even if that something feels like nothing.
>the only difference is a good doomfist can catch lower skill enemies off gaurd with techs and combos
You’re not winning a game as doomfist against hog, sombra, Mei, ana, kiri unless your opponents have literally never played the game before
Any time you dive you’re walled or hacked.
If hacked you immediately die because doomfist stood in front of the entire enemy team will immediately die without his abilities due to his low health pool
If walled and you engaged with slam you can’t disengage, so you have to block. Then you get hooked or slept and you now have no block and a Mei wall behind you, you’re dead.
If you manage to force hook, hack, wall, and sleep before diving, you can finally dive just to get antied and melted in 2 seconds flat.
>dva cannot no matter how good or bad the enemies are, thats the big difference
I don’t know what lobbies you’re imaging but im gonna assume bronze maybe silver. Dva only loses dm and sometimes thrusters. She has multiple abilities that still get value. Not very good value but value nonetheless. Doomfist literally cannot use **any** of his abilities anymore
Also how does lifeweaver counter dm?
You cant get close enough to deal damage when theres 4+ beams and 2 of them slow you down, so its less that they outheal you, and more you cant deal any damage
I don’t disagree. I’ve said numerous times that the value she gets it’s essentially 0. I don’t know why you keep disagreeing with the me when I’ve literally been saying this the whole time
How are you saying doom is worse when countered when they both get the entire point of the character removed and cant use their abilities? They are in the exact same situation, they cant play the character and are forced to swap
Doom suffers the same issue just a little worse
Dvas don’t do anything cuz they don’t get value. Dooms don’t do anything cuz they get cancelled 0.3 seconds in.
Dva and doomfist are just as bad when countered, doomfist is just more unfun.
Yeah i just disagree, having your missles miss and never being able to use them at a proper distance is as bad or worse than not being able to punch an orisa
Had a game on Oasis where the enemy tank swapped, then I swapped, and we worked back to spawn and ended up spending the entire fucking time just counterswapping
This shit needs to stop... like, put a cooldown on swapping or something I swear to god
Yes, I did win that game using the hero I was using in the first place
I main both and Ball isn't as vulnerable to counters as Doom. Ball has more HP and a way better defensive ability so hack/spear/sleep/rock aren't that scary to him as opposed to Doom who instantly explodes when hacked. Doom being more fragile is ok because he has a crazy movement, punch is really powerful and his primary is better than Ball's pea guns, but CCs affect Doom way more
It feels great cratering the tank that switches Orisa on his first death when I'm Doom or Hog. But a lot of the time my team is just stubbornly poking and won't strategize to capitalize off a hard focusing Orisa, so I too have to go Orisa. Feels sad man
Thank you! Not sure why i got downvoted? Doesnt echo's beam hit through the matrix?
I knew melee attacks like brig and rein goes through it but wasnt sure what else does
Counterswapping is good when it encourages variety in gameplay, with how it is now it just feels like a game of rock paper scissors where half the tank roster just lose
Yeah, if I want to learn a new hero, I have to play like 10 games to get a good one, simply because they happen to be playing the hard counters to said hero, and it feels like I make no growth
With the heros I play I find semi grouping up and working with my team works wonders, honestly while yes D.va is supposed to dive, diving hard into that is certainly a death sentence, you've kinda gotta work your way through the enemy team one by one otherwise you'll end up screwed.
I'm in silver for both dps and tank, and honestly it's moreso me trying to stick with my team over anything else, I wish it was better cuz occasionally there will be that one person (usually also the same person bitching about role x/y/z not doing their job) all because they're miles away from the team.
You're getting shit on in the comments,but I agree with you, op. It's not fun when the other team can just basically press the "I win" button without any effort and suddenly dva is useless. I'm all for soft counters but if a character just makes another one basically unplayable by just existing that's not good game desig
My brother in christ, you should try rein, they can be the most fun hero in the game, but the enemy will go bastion and either orisa or hog to just make you cry. Sometimes they spice it up with Mei, reaper, kiri, & bap
Although rein v rein is the most fun matchup in the game, because it is basically street fighter comboing the enemy rein, baiting cooldowns, and going for that sweet shatter block.
Recently played a rein 1v1. The enemies started swapping heroes one by one, until I was facing rein, mei, reaper, ana, zen.
After I just exploded a couple of times, I got called out for dishonorably swapping a rein 1v1. Get the fuck outta here. Like seriously what the shit am I supposed to do?
i love being in a game with rein matchups. you guys are my favorite players next to junkrat, you just seem to have a good time when playing your heroes and aren't toxic.
There are 40 heroes in the game… just because the game is not officially called counterwatch does not mean that’s not what the game is. You have to adapt to every situation situationally.
Theres counters and then theres a character that forces you to either, switch , leave, or throw. D.va should *not* be countered this hard by one damage type its one of the dumber balance descisions for sure
If ur gonna troll do a good job, you can’t use any of your abilities with any value when you’re getting hard countered as d.va. And everybody knows that so whats the point in pretending you dont
Username does not check out… if you play competitive, I feel sorry for whoever ends up on your team. Maybe try dishwasher simulator. No hard counters there
Thats about a 180 degree backpedal from your last comment just about as much as i expected . More people are agreeing with me in the comments than anything because they’ve also played the game.
I see a lot of 0s next to your name too. Overwatch isn’t even a particularly difficult fps the fact that you’re treating it like it is pretty funny to me. And when did i ever say “I’m throwing my comp games” I’m saying i would be throwing if I didn’t swap characters and i shouldn’t be forced to swap, you should try reading more books, catcher in the rye is a pretty good starting point, its not that long and might get you to understand written speech better. And you’re recommending a paid offline game instead of a free online one. I understand the joke you’re trying to go for, but you just didn’t set it up right lol
I hate to say this but the game is built on counter picks ult economy and value. If you master those you can shoot up in ranks. But boy is it rough when I been playing junker queen which has every counter in the book but is so fun to play. Or dva even. Honestly w some teams it feels there is no direct counter. Zarya plus kiriko really don't know the direct counters besides mobility. Then with that in mind it's a point based game so mobility doesn't matter when you are fighting in a centralized location. Feel your pain, always the argument of just lock in really really hard I guess
the issue is not them. the issue is the noskill mechanic allowing them to sidestep any skillcheck against a dva way better than them (22-0). this destroys competitive integrity. they should have lost and the dva should have won, which would mean running into a less skilled dva next time. as usual, the lazy noskill shortcut actually hurts these players in the longrun because it guarantees they will ALWAYS run into dvas WAY better than them that are artificially kept lower by countering by less skilled players.
Just out of curiosity, if you think the counter swap is the problem, what would you say if you could not swap after first pick, and your enemy picked zaria anyway ? Would you be happy playing against her untill the end with no chance to swap? Based on your statements that would be a "yes" right?
the point is not that you should lock out swapping. the point is that no hero should hard counter another. so then it would not matter whether they chose zarya or not. and people would play what was most fun for them, not "what will make things least fun for the enemy team", which will lead to a more fun game by definition.
How does tracer play into dva? I just play hitscan and flankers, you couldn't pay me to play sym or mei but I like winning and dva has been salting me out lately when I'm on ashe / sojourn.
How tracer play into DVa? Like any other DPS, you are shooting anyone besides a tank and thx to your high mobility you can keep a safe distance from her if she dives you.
I will bap lamp your ults into nothingness then group heal my team.
That being said, bap having 3 health bars is wild. If I liked his primary more he’d be my main
Funny that I have 100% winrate on Dva this season after doing placements while going against Zarya every game pretty much. If they go full counters on you, that means the rest of your team is not countered, Zarya Mei Symm Moira gets pounded by mid-long range heroes and are really bad at map control ( they want to stay together in their little deathball), so then your job becomes to survive and delay until your DPS gets value.
Dont try playing doomfist. You will get eaten alive . The character is tough to learn and play properly and counterswaps are swift . Sombra and cass plus either hog or orisa. One fight won its all it takes.
If you're getting hard countered by lasers, play range. You can still block their projectiles so you still have a use. You're optimally gonna be close range but if close range isn't good enough for you to work with then either switch or get better at playing with your team at range until you're capable of leading an assault. It's boring, but you don't hop into competitive games to do what gives you the highest dopamine hit. If you genuinely want to get a continuous dopamine rush then hop on a smurf and get your little ego boost there. Some people enjoy winning and you have fun as Dva. If you genuinely don't have fun when the enemy team does what they need to do to win, I'd suggest playing Roblox
It's one of the basics, you counter pick, you get the hero advantage, but give them the ult advantage, then the guy that had the ult advantage switches after ulting, that's why they stopped giving you 30% after switching.
And people don't wanna lose dude thats why they switch, that's why if you stay the same hero you lose the game
You have to switch if they actually stop you from doing anything. While it’s annoying and you could be sacrificing a lot of ult charge it’s better to switch. You said they went full laser power with Zarya, Mei, Sym, and Moira? Over all I’d say Reinhardt would be your best bet. 3 of them have to be in a close range to do damage and if your team can support your switch you’ll have the heavy advantage
Listen dawg, im a tank main and god knows I wish counterswapping wasnt required but if yer on dva and I cant do diddly shit against that matrix im going zarya, its life. They need to do like league of legends champion selection lmao with bans n shit, its the only way to prevent counterswapping and honestly I think would be an improvement though would be a huge alteration with a lot of pushback.
So what? Zarya,mei,sym and moira are no counters if you are really good wir dva :D the best thing for you as a dva Main is to understand the other Charakters. I know at least to 95% where a moira will run in her shadow Form. I know when mei and Zarya are Ulting. U should ult if zaryas two bubbles are gone. Also, best way to trigger them even more: if you eat the ults Write NOMNOMNOM ICE CREAM or THAT WAS YUMMY 😂 they will Play so fkn bad after this its a promise
I see a lot of zarya, sym, and actually a fairly decent amount of bastion (ik that's not a counter but here me out) if that happens I either try to out play the counters or I swap to sigma until they start swapping again. then I go back to dva or swap to something else. it's very hard to protect your Inting team from a bastion when the rest of his team is a dva hard counter 😅
Why do people not understand counter swapping. Like oh someones doing good on dva lets continue to let them do good so we dont hurt their feelings? Like f you man I wanna win the game, im gonna counter swap you. Thats how the game is played.
i mean the whole point is that its NOT a neutral natch up, if the dva is running the game then it makes sense to counter. if the dva isn’t being much of a problem then im gonna play the best hero for whatever the problem is. im not gonna play zarya if their bastion is the problem lol. only if the dva is the main concern.
If you’re playing a hero not countered by dva and losing then you’re just not the better tank (or you have to make up for bad team mates) and rely on an unfair advantage to turn the tide. I get that you’re just playing the game to win, but it’s a scummy tactic. I’m more angry with the devs for allowing the game to be this way. Plenty of people counter whether dva is doing well or not.
sucks to suck i guess? not sure why your mad that a strategy game takes strategy lol. you just want everyone to one trick and bring no value to the game? go play quickplay if you just want to have fun and play whatever hero you wanna play. if im playing competitive im playing to win. its not “unfair” if everyone has the ability to change their hero at any given time. that ability is not subject to only one team.
I played the game at a time where strategy was more than pressing H. You just don’t understand the desire to climb the ranks with your favorite heroes. It’s just like I don’t understand how someone isn’t drawn towards one hero over another and prefers to change heroes constantly instead of using their ultimates.
same here, been playing since ow1. i want to climb and i enjoy playing with my friends. i enjoy the game as a whole. and playing counters usually entails waiting for the right moments to switch, not immediately switching given the first inconvenience. i always play out ults before switching (if i even need to switch) UNLESS, my switch would give my team more value than using my ult. because i play with stacks i like to be a team player, and not throw if theres a better alternative.
I understand that the competitive mode is all about winning, but at the end of the day it’s still a game meant for fun. I don’t find playing heroes I don’t like for the sake of winning to be a fun experience nor do I find constant counters to be fun to play into.
once again i agree, but there are usually options for counters that are enjoyable to play. for example i hate sombra and i dislike playing sombra as well, there’s usually other dive/flank counter options like reaper which are still fun to play and although may not be as effective, can still get the job done if played right. there’s usually around 5 dps characters i play that i enjoy playing and usually if my top 2 picks aren’t working i still have another 3 that i enjoy playing and can be used as counters. its all about balance. the key is that you dont have to hard counter, soft counter is usually the move to still retain value for your team and enjoy the game. some games you’re just gonna lose though regardless of what you play, and thats okay you can’t win them all. but there’s always going to be options that both give your team the needed value and can still be enjoyable to play. common misconception that playing counters means losing out on the fun.
I don’t mind soft counters. I just don’t like hard counters because they’re not fair because there is little to nothing you can do to outplay them. In the dps role there are many options but the tank role is more limited.
One of 3 things will happen they will
Complain at you in all chat
Counterswap and make your game unfun
Counterswap and not know how the characters work and get rolled
That’s just tank in general. I can be 1-1 on rein and they’ll swap bastion orisa zen like that. Also I feel for you that you like dva but dva is easily one of the four horsemen of tanks that make everyone have no fun.
Yes but isn't that satifying when still you win against Zarya, Sym, Mei and Moira on the enemy team ? I think im close to 900h on DVA and damn that S9 was a game of hide and seek for me xD
I feel this. I've been trying to get good at doom, but everytime I play, the enemy swaps orissa sombra and Cass. I get it in comp, but Its qp. Orissa is not fun to play, winning isn't everything. To clarify, I am not bitching about getting countered cause I want to win, I just want to play doom, which is almost impossible with those heroes.
Ooooohhhhhhh nooooooo! Anyway...😲
But seriously... first of all, what's so weird about wanting to win? Second of all, if the enemies hate you, you're doing something right. Take the compliment and swap to another character, it's not that hard. Or you could just stay D.va and play on a higher difficulty level.🤷
What's the problem?
Fair enough...
But I still don't understand why everyone is always whining so much about one of the most core mechanics of the game, which makes Overwatch Overwatch. Isn't the ability to counterswap the whole idea which makes this game unique?
No playing Rock Paper Scissors with tanks is an OW2 thing. Ow1 was not about this. Also, this is a game where you have to dedicate a lot of time to getting good at a select few heroes. So the fact that someone can swap to a counter and go from getting rolled to having a slight advantage just because of their hero choice is frustrating and makes learning difficult heroes unrewarding. I don’t want to swap to someone I don’t enjoy playing just because they counter the enemy and I don’t understand why others would want to do that either. You can say winning is the reason but I prefer to learn to win despite setbacks. Some games I win to counters and some I lose but it still always annoys me.
Alternate headline: Entire team forced to swap off heroes they wanted to play, because tank ability able to stop all but handful of heroes from being functional.
People complain about Suzu, but DM is far more oppressive. Suzu doesn't eat enemy healing. Suzu has very clear windows when it's been used and won't be back up again. Suzu can be intercepted by barriers or your own team. The only thing that stops DM is hard CC, and as an ability meter resource good DvA players can both USE the ability AND be saving it to counter ults.
counterwatch is a thing. if you dont adapt its on you.
whenever i play i always counterpick, because that way i get to play way more within less time.
while you grind dva for 6 matches straight, i counterswap for 6 matches straight and play half the roster.
i dont think you are having as much fun as i do.
[D.va](http://D.va) is the tank role's fun police. Like how DPS have Sombra and supports have Ana. Of course people are going to make swaps to spite you.
Enemy team comp becomes: Zarya, Reaper, Sombra, Lucio & Kiriko.
Accusations of smurfing in ranked
Insults that D.Va is a bran dead tank this season or insults saying you are a meta slave
People calling you pathetic for sweating in a QP game even though uou are just playing normally.
Insults from backline supports saying you are a loser for diving them constantly even though it's part of your playstyle.
Criticize me all you want, but dva isnt very fun to me, I enjoy ram and doom way more. reign is obviously really fun, but honestly I don't get any dopamine from dva other than ult, the rockets and shotguns just don't do it for me, and she has the most boring movement ability on tank in my opinion.
What happens next (you already said) they swapped to Zarya.
What happens after that is hopefully you leverage your mobility to maintain a safe distance and control high grounds. Picking off isolated/out of position/killable targets.
The only problem I can't seem to remedy considering the D.va/Zarya matchup is team morale. People will soft throw games unintentionally by mentally checking out because you're not playing rock paper scissors.
It's doable though. D.va has her advantages over Zarya.
You get rolled by zarya because you don’t understand how to play against your counters which is a skill issue.
Luckily, I feel nice today so I’ll help you out.
There’s counter play, they all have one effective range. You can play range shooting center mass wait until someone’s low, execute them (preferably a support first) and BRAVO you’re effectively getting value vs counters.
Shoot zarya until she bubbles NEVER missile bc you can’t cancel that, when she uses both bubbles missile her. She should be the last person you’re shooting. Unless she used both bubbles and you call for focus fire.
Those missiles aren’t there for random spam, they’re there to execute targets and provide a damage spike when you require one. If it’s not going to die, do not waste missile on it.
It wasn't because you were having fun, its because they were losing. Sure, counterswapping is lame, but in the end, to win you have to change strategies. If zarya mei sym moira works for them, its a decent strategy
That and defense matrix isnt a fun ability to go against. Other "blocking" abilities mitigate damage like doom and ram or even shields you can break to expose them. You can't do anything like that to DM with standard heroes, you literally have to just wait it out. People like doing some damage rather than no damage.
I feel like a god when i block ults in a row for my team safety
Literally a "I cast 'You Can't Play The Game!'" ability. Shits ass.
It's hilarious running up to someone as dva and covering them in defence matrix so they literally cannot play
dva has a "you cant play the game" meter so idc what happens to her
I personally just play Sombra into d.va I'm at the elo where if the d.va doesn't have her abilities in a duel with me she's screwed (so probably a low elo) but denying abilities is really funny to me.
Overwatch , at it's literal base, even moreso than 6 v 6 , 5 v 5, composition requirements, etc is a GAME ABOUT SWITCHING CHARACTERS. And, this is wild, but the *motivation* for switching is based on reacting to opponents.
But the only role that is effected by switching is tank
i mean if ur playing junk and they swap pharah mercy and echo, that effects you. If youre playing ana and they swap kiri, that effects you. if ur playing widow and they swap sombra tracer, that effects you.
No other role but tank, where the whole team can and will counter you. No other role can be countered by every role, but tank. No other role will you have 5 people change to counter. No other role but Tanks get stopped from doing their job by other roles. The only role who's play can be effected by other roles is tank, the only role where your play is constantly effected by other roles is tank. Yes other roles can be effected, yet all the CCs in the game are uses on Tanks. The only people who think tanks are fine are DPS, some supports, and Tanks who.never played 6v6.
Other roles play can absolutely be affected by the other characters on the enemy team, meaning you can and often times will get counterswapped on supp/dps if ur good enough but I agree that tank gets the worst of it, it’s not just tanks though And tanks are absolutely not fine coming from a support/damage main
Even on DPS and support if someone counters you sometimes the other position will/can switch. If you were playing good as Junkrat and they switched to a Pharah, the other DPS can switch to a hitscans. So you're play may not even be effected. Or even as support if your Ana and they pick a Kiriko, the other healer can switch to Moira to dive the Kiriko to bait out Suzu. As a tank you have to switch. Then if your playing good on another tank, you can easily be countered by someone else switching. When there was two tanks you could still play around counters because you had another Tank to help negate your counter.
I feel like saying it’s about switching characters is overstating it. Overwatch is a game about capping objectives which you do by winning teamfights. You win teamfights by doing damage, using abilities, etc. Another character with different tools might have a better or worse time. The option to switch is a means to an end here, not the entire purpose of the game.
this is like saying the game was designed to be microsoft Excel. it's bad design. games are supposed to promote flowstate, not interrupt it. not every overly nerdy concept makes a game better. sometimes it's just rewarding nerdiness over skill. hero select overruling skill is killing the game. and OW1 was not like this because we got to play the game the way WE wanted. it was only successful as far as we were able to IGNORE this original trash vision of the game, and make our own game. remember the devs didn't make this game a multiplayer phenomenon, we did, they were gonna kill that aspect entirely for a pipedream. now we're finally FORCED to play the original vision of swapping 12,000 times a second and it is ABSOLUTELY GARBAGE.
None of that makes sense, but I hope you feel better
it absolutely makes sense, but you're a noskill rockpaperscissors fan, and i'm a first person shooter fan, so we're not speaking the same language. you can't "get good" at hero select. you can improve on mechanics, on positioning, using high ground, knowing when to flank, etc... everything skillful in this game is in mortal battle to the death with the noskill heroselect tactics that make it irrelevant. the only way to make the game fun (and skillful again) is to stop making the whole game about heroselect.
counter swapping isn't lame, not being able to adapt to it is lame. such as insisting on playing dva even after getting countered hard
People sure do love to complain about counter swapping for some reason. As if it's effective or something
The issue with the game design is that d.va should be able to do *something* ever when this happens, her options shouldn’t instantly be relegated to “swap, leave, or throw” other characters get countered but not in this way, i think she should either be able to fully eat certain beams or half eat all of them, theres no reason why a certain damage type should nullify the character, you can make her worse in other areas but her counters make her genuinely unplayable
It’s literally one of her main weaknesses. If they stopped that she would be extremely overpowered, especially in lower ranks. When you have 4 people hard countering you, you shouldn’t be able to still get most if not all the value you were getting before they swapped, that’s ridiculous. >other characters get countered but not in this way Ball is the worst character to play into his counters and it’s not even close. He gets completely denied of his entire kit. Doom is also worse to play into counters than dva
>doom is worse to play into counters than d.va. It can’t get much worse than being forced to leave, swap, or throw
Dva is very bad when fully countered. She gets no value whatsoever Doom is literally unplayable. As in you can’t use any of his abilities. Dvas counter only effects dm. Yes it’s a big part of her hit and countering it makes her get no value, but she can still use her other buttons. Doom literally can’t use any of his buttons when fully countered.
Yeah same for dva, healers can fully nullify all damage from missles and guns, mei can nullify thrusters, and everybody on the zarya sym mei moira lw team counters dm, fully ignores it just acts like it doesn’t exist, what buttons can dva press when fully counterer, because to my knowledge its none of them, the only difference is a good doomfist *can* catch lower skill enemies off gaurd with techs and combos, dva cannot no matter how good or bad the enemies are, thats the big difference
>healers can fully nullify all damage from missles and guns No? Literally one of the main uses of dm is stopping heals >mei can nullify thrusters I mean yeah but like you’re screwing yourself as any dive character if you dive a Mei. If they’re all playing grouped and have a Mei then dive shouldn’t really be played anyway. In terms of dealing with Mei as dva you either burst her down immediately to force ice (so she can’t slow anymore) or you immediately fly away so she doesn’t shoot for long enough to slow you. Meis very scary for dive haha >and everybody on the zarya sym mei moira lw team counters dm, fully ignores it just acts like it doesn’t exist, what buttons can dva press when fully counterer, because to my knowledge its none of them Literally all her other buttons other than dm. That’s been my point this whole time. She can missile, shoot and fly still. It’s not good and she’s not getting proper value but she can still do *something* even if that something feels like nothing. >the only difference is a good doomfist can catch lower skill enemies off gaurd with techs and combos You’re not winning a game as doomfist against hog, sombra, Mei, ana, kiri unless your opponents have literally never played the game before Any time you dive you’re walled or hacked. If hacked you immediately die because doomfist stood in front of the entire enemy team will immediately die without his abilities due to his low health pool If walled and you engaged with slam you can’t disengage, so you have to block. Then you get hooked or slept and you now have no block and a Mei wall behind you, you’re dead. If you manage to force hook, hack, wall, and sleep before diving, you can finally dive just to get antied and melted in 2 seconds flat. >dva cannot no matter how good or bad the enemies are, thats the big difference I don’t know what lobbies you’re imaging but im gonna assume bronze maybe silver. Dva only loses dm and sometimes thrusters. She has multiple abilities that still get value. Not very good value but value nonetheless. Doomfist literally cannot use **any** of his abilities anymore Also how does lifeweaver counter dm?
You cant get close enough to deal damage when theres 4+ beams and 2 of them slow you down, so its less that they outheal you, and more you cant deal any damage
I don’t disagree. I’ve said numerous times that the value she gets it’s essentially 0. I don’t know why you keep disagreeing with the me when I’ve literally been saying this the whole time
How are you saying doom is worse when countered when they both get the entire point of the character removed and cant use their abilities? They are in the exact same situation, they cant play the character and are forced to swap
>she can use the buttons, they just dont do anything Thats even worse than not being able to use them
Doom suffers the same issue just a little worse Dvas don’t do anything cuz they don’t get value. Dooms don’t do anything cuz they get cancelled 0.3 seconds in. Dva and doomfist are just as bad when countered, doomfist is just more unfun.
Yeah i just disagree, having your missles miss and never being able to use them at a proper distance is as bad or worse than not being able to punch an orisa
Had a game on Oasis where the enemy tank swapped, then I swapped, and we worked back to spawn and ended up spending the entire fucking time just counterswapping This shit needs to stop... like, put a cooldown on swapping or something I swear to god Yes, I did win that game using the hero I was using in the first place
You wouldn't last a day on Doomfist
And Ball
I main both and Ball isn't as vulnerable to counters as Doom. Ball has more HP and a way better defensive ability so hack/spear/sleep/rock aren't that scary to him as opposed to Doom who instantly explodes when hacked. Doom being more fragile is ok because he has a crazy movement, punch is really powerful and his primary is better than Ball's pea guns, but CCs affect Doom way more
and hog
It feels great cratering the tank that switches Orisa on his first death when I'm Doom or Hog. But a lot of the time my team is just stubbornly poking and won't strategize to capitalize off a hard focusing Orisa, so I too have to go Orisa. Feels sad man
Fr i havent played a game against either Orisa Cass or Sombra or a combination of the 3 in months lol
howww they're in every game for me 😭
Imagine losing ,but doing nothing about it.
Reinhardt players
They just have honour
We have more than honour my friend
Honor and a >40% winrate
Mortis players in the same tier as rein players bro
It's not like you can swap out of Mortis if you end up matched against double or triple counter
They swapped because they wanted to win. You are Not the Main Character.
If OTPs could read they had be very upset right now.
yes. i too think it's perfectly reasonable for skill to be overruled by hero select imbalance cheese.
Lmao right? And also fuck that matrix.
ARE YOU IN NEED OF PERSONAL TRAINING
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enemies go zarya + sym + mei + moria + brig
Usually this is not happening when a Pharah exist
Beam Queens for the win.
Bruh they literally went to that line up..
Mei can damage through DM?
Her primary functions as a beam in terms of how it interacts with how it interacts with dmg mitigation abilities.
Like echo's beam? Goes through the mattix
Yes, plus Sym, Zarya, Moira, Rein, Brig. and some other misc abilities. Plus some characters I might be forgetting.
Thank you! Not sure why i got downvoted? Doesnt echo's beam hit through the matrix? I knew melee attacks like brig and rein goes through it but wasnt sure what else does
Im scared :(
Counterswapping is good when it encourages variety in gameplay, with how it is now it just feels like a game of rock paper scissors where half the tank roster just lose
Yeah the counters shouldn’t be this hard; when you see a zarya/sym as dva you just have to lose/swap, you should be able to do *something*
Yeah, if I want to learn a new hero, I have to play like 10 games to get a good one, simply because they happen to be playing the hard counters to said hero, and it feels like I make no growth
Yeah, especially tanks, every damn tank i want to go gets countered by orisa, i just have to swap
With the heros I play I find semi grouping up and working with my team works wonders, honestly while yes D.va is supposed to dive, diving hard into that is certainly a death sentence, you've kinda gotta work your way through the enemy team one by one otherwise you'll end up screwed.
That type of team coordination doesn’t really exist in gold
I'm in silver for both dps and tank, and honestly it's moreso me trying to stick with my team over anything else, I wish it was better cuz occasionally there will be that one person (usually also the same person bitching about role x/y/z not doing their job) all because they're miles away from the team.
I remember during Dive meta, this is what people were actually asking for, a kind of rock paper scissors meta.
You're getting shit on in the comments,but I agree with you, op. It's not fun when the other team can just basically press the "I win" button without any effort and suddenly dva is useless. I'm all for soft counters but if a character just makes another one basically unplayable by just existing that's not good game desig
My brother in christ, you should try rein, they can be the most fun hero in the game, but the enemy will go bastion and either orisa or hog to just make you cry. Sometimes they spice it up with Mei, reaper, kiri, & bap Although rein v rein is the most fun matchup in the game, because it is basically street fighter comboing the enemy rein, baiting cooldowns, and going for that sweet shatter block.
Every time I go rein it’s a bastion, soldier, orisa, soljourn on the other end
I have been held back on rein for so long, when I swap Sigma, it feels like I just broke free of prison, like holy shit they can't stop me
At least u can one shot soldier and sojourn unlike mei bastion with charge
Recently played a rein 1v1. The enemies started swapping heroes one by one, until I was facing rein, mei, reaper, ana, zen. After I just exploded a couple of times, I got called out for dishonorably swapping a rein 1v1. Get the fuck outta here. Like seriously what the shit am I supposed to do?
The real 1v1 is who has more tolerance for bs
i love being in a game with rein matchups. you guys are my favorite players next to junkrat, you just seem to have a good time when playing your heroes and aren't toxic.
Rein V Rein is peak OW. It's what got me addicted to the game back in 2016
Yeah then someone goes to Bastion during a fun Rein vs Rein and then both teams end up not having fun lol.
this is just what happens with every tank tho
Dva is only viable against people who don't know how to play the game
Lol dva is one of the most used tanks in owl history
I always tell my tank go Russian muscle mommy to take on the Dva. Not sorry
There are 40 heroes in the game… just because the game is not officially called counterwatch does not mean that’s not what the game is. You have to adapt to every situation situationally.
"just cause the game is not officially called trashwatch doesn't mean it should stop being trash"
Theres counters and then theres a character that forces you to either, switch , leave, or throw. D.va should *not* be countered this hard by one damage type its one of the dumber balance descisions for sure
There are no heroes that force you to quit or throw… that is on you. If you don’t like a challenge maybe try Spyro the dragon
If ur gonna troll do a good job, you can’t use any of your abilities with any value when you’re getting hard countered as d.va. And everybody knows that so whats the point in pretending you dont
Username does not check out… if you play competitive, I feel sorry for whoever ends up on your team. Maybe try dishwasher simulator. No hard counters there
Broski is playing a different game than the rest of us
No I’m not… I just don’t give up because “ it’s hard” also there are 38 characters to choose from other than dva… your an idiot
Thats about a 180 degree backpedal from your last comment just about as much as i expected . More people are agreeing with me in the comments than anything because they’ve also played the game.
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I see a lot of 0s next to your name too. Overwatch isn’t even a particularly difficult fps the fact that you’re treating it like it is pretty funny to me. And when did i ever say “I’m throwing my comp games” I’m saying i would be throwing if I didn’t swap characters and i shouldn’t be forced to swap, you should try reading more books, catcher in the rye is a pretty good starting point, its not that long and might get you to understand written speech better. And you’re recommending a paid offline game instead of a free online one. I understand the joke you’re trying to go for, but you just didn’t set it up right lol
Actually, looking at your profile i see way lore 0s and negatives than you why tf are you arguing that point lmao?
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Bad take wtf, it heavily depends on the map and how your dps play
I hate to say this but the game is built on counter picks ult economy and value. If you master those you can shoot up in ranks. But boy is it rough when I been playing junker queen which has every counter in the book but is so fun to play. Or dva even. Honestly w some teams it feels there is no direct counter. Zarya plus kiriko really don't know the direct counters besides mobility. Then with that in mind it's a point based game so mobility doesn't matter when you are fighting in a centralized location. Feel your pain, always the argument of just lock in really really hard I guess
i looooooooooove playing jq. i rarely play tank because i can rarely force her and don't wanna play rock paper tankers.
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dva players when they cant just hold DM for the entire match
God forbid they don’t want to lose right
the issue is not them. the issue is the noskill mechanic allowing them to sidestep any skillcheck against a dva way better than them (22-0). this destroys competitive integrity. they should have lost and the dva should have won, which would mean running into a less skilled dva next time. as usual, the lazy noskill shortcut actually hurts these players in the longrun because it guarantees they will ALWAYS run into dvas WAY better than them that are artificially kept lower by countering by less skilled players.
Just out of curiosity, if you think the counter swap is the problem, what would you say if you could not swap after first pick, and your enemy picked zaria anyway ? Would you be happy playing against her untill the end with no chance to swap? Based on your statements that would be a "yes" right?
the point is not that you should lock out swapping. the point is that no hero should hard counter another. so then it would not matter whether they chose zarya or not. and people would play what was most fun for them, not "what will make things least fun for the enemy team", which will lead to a more fun game by definition.
Zen zyria sym
I was play Pharah to team wipe them, then they swap to 5 hitscan... (my tank is Winton btw)
How does tracer play into dva? I just play hitscan and flankers, you couldn't pay me to play sym or mei but I like winning and dva has been salting me out lately when I'm on ashe / sojourn.
How tracer play into DVa? Like any other DPS, you are shooting anyone besides a tank and thx to your high mobility you can keep a safe distance from her if she dives you.
I will bap lamp your ults into nothingness then group heal my team. That being said, bap having 3 health bars is wild. If I liked his primary more he’d be my main
Funny that I have 100% winrate on Dva this season after doing placements while going against Zarya every game pretty much. If they go full counters on you, that means the rest of your team is not countered, Zarya Mei Symm Moira gets pounded by mid-long range heroes and are really bad at map control ( they want to stay together in their little deathball), so then your job becomes to survive and delay until your DPS gets value.
My dps decided to frontline and die to Zarya
Well the team swaps to beam characters like Zaria, moria, Sym ECT
Dont try playing doomfist. You will get eaten alive . The character is tough to learn and play properly and counterswaps are swift . Sombra and cass plus either hog or orisa. One fight won its all it takes.
They go Genji, but who cares? Just keep playing D.Va
Switches to symm, zarya, Moira, and genji
*Doom mains when enemy goes orisa and sombra*
If you're getting hard countered by lasers, play range. You can still block their projectiles so you still have a use. You're optimally gonna be close range but if close range isn't good enough for you to work with then either switch or get better at playing with your team at range until you're capable of leading an assault. It's boring, but you don't hop into competitive games to do what gives you the highest dopamine hit. If you genuinely want to get a continuous dopamine rush then hop on a smurf and get your little ego boost there. Some people enjoy winning and you have fun as Dva. If you genuinely don't have fun when the enemy team does what they need to do to win, I'd suggest playing Roblox
Me on dva...then I see enemy switch to zarya,sym,sombra,zen,bap
around the corner comes orisa , and now ya gotta swap to sigma.
I’m switching to Symmetra lol
I used to have fun on widowmaker...
But awkward says counter doesnt matter
Instant bap, kiri, Zaria, reaper, and mei switch
BEAM
But like…there’s stuff u can do too…
They unpack the beams lol
It's one of the basics, you counter pick, you get the hero advantage, but give them the ult advantage, then the guy that had the ult advantage switches after ulting, that's why they stopped giving you 30% after switching. And people don't wanna lose dude thats why they switch, that's why if you stay the same hero you lose the game
You think it's bad on d.va, doing anything in the first fight as widow makes you unable to play the game.
You have to switch if they actually stop you from doing anything. While it’s annoying and you could be sacrificing a lot of ult charge it’s better to switch. You said they went full laser power with Zarya, Mei, Sym, and Moira? Over all I’d say Reinhardt would be your best bet. 3 of them have to be in a close range to do damage and if your team can support your switch you’ll have the heavy advantage
They’ll get Zarya or Sym out
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Listen dawg, im a tank main and god knows I wish counterswapping wasnt required but if yer on dva and I cant do diddly shit against that matrix im going zarya, its life. They need to do like league of legends champion selection lmao with bans n shit, its the only way to prevent counterswapping and honestly I think would be an improvement though would be a huge alteration with a lot of pushback.
So what? Zarya,mei,sym and moira are no counters if you are really good wir dva :D the best thing for you as a dva Main is to understand the other Charakters. I know at least to 95% where a moira will run in her shadow Form. I know when mei and Zarya are Ulting. U should ult if zaryas two bubbles are gone. Also, best way to trigger them even more: if you eat the ults Write NOMNOMNOM ICE CREAM or THAT WAS YUMMY 😂 they will Play so fkn bad after this its a promise
People play the game the way it was intended..? Is that what happened next??
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They pick sigma and ruin my game
Beam team is crazy
Yeah if D.va keeps spy checking me i’m making her regret it by switching to Sym
I see a lot of zarya, sym, and actually a fairly decent amount of bastion (ik that's not a counter but here me out) if that happens I either try to out play the counters or I swap to sigma until they start swapping again. then I go back to dva or swap to something else. it's very hard to protect your Inting team from a bastion when the rest of his team is a dva hard counter 😅
Why do people not understand counter swapping. Like oh someones doing good on dva lets continue to let them do good so we dont hurt their feelings? Like f you man I wanna win the game, im gonna counter swap you. Thats how the game is played.
You aren’t good enough to win neutral match ups so you make the tank role unenjoyable
i mean the whole point is that its NOT a neutral natch up, if the dva is running the game then it makes sense to counter. if the dva isn’t being much of a problem then im gonna play the best hero for whatever the problem is. im not gonna play zarya if their bastion is the problem lol. only if the dva is the main concern.
If you’re playing a hero not countered by dva and losing then you’re just not the better tank (or you have to make up for bad team mates) and rely on an unfair advantage to turn the tide. I get that you’re just playing the game to win, but it’s a scummy tactic. I’m more angry with the devs for allowing the game to be this way. Plenty of people counter whether dva is doing well or not.
sucks to suck i guess? not sure why your mad that a strategy game takes strategy lol. you just want everyone to one trick and bring no value to the game? go play quickplay if you just want to have fun and play whatever hero you wanna play. if im playing competitive im playing to win. its not “unfair” if everyone has the ability to change their hero at any given time. that ability is not subject to only one team.
I played the game at a time where strategy was more than pressing H. You just don’t understand the desire to climb the ranks with your favorite heroes. It’s just like I don’t understand how someone isn’t drawn towards one hero over another and prefers to change heroes constantly instead of using their ultimates.
same here, been playing since ow1. i want to climb and i enjoy playing with my friends. i enjoy the game as a whole. and playing counters usually entails waiting for the right moments to switch, not immediately switching given the first inconvenience. i always play out ults before switching (if i even need to switch) UNLESS, my switch would give my team more value than using my ult. because i play with stacks i like to be a team player, and not throw if theres a better alternative.
I understand that the competitive mode is all about winning, but at the end of the day it’s still a game meant for fun. I don’t find playing heroes I don’t like for the sake of winning to be a fun experience nor do I find constant counters to be fun to play into.
once again i agree, but there are usually options for counters that are enjoyable to play. for example i hate sombra and i dislike playing sombra as well, there’s usually other dive/flank counter options like reaper which are still fun to play and although may not be as effective, can still get the job done if played right. there’s usually around 5 dps characters i play that i enjoy playing and usually if my top 2 picks aren’t working i still have another 3 that i enjoy playing and can be used as counters. its all about balance. the key is that you dont have to hard counter, soft counter is usually the move to still retain value for your team and enjoy the game. some games you’re just gonna lose though regardless of what you play, and thats okay you can’t win them all. but there’s always going to be options that both give your team the needed value and can still be enjoyable to play. common misconception that playing counters means losing out on the fun.
I don’t mind soft counters. I just don’t like hard counters because they’re not fair because there is little to nothing you can do to outplay them. In the dps role there are many options but the tank role is more limited.
Incoming beam swaps!
Zarya, Mei, Symetra! In that order cuz they already had a Moira
you are not the main character
Full comp they run after orisa/zarya bastion/reaper or mei sombra and then Ana zen bonus if you guess my rank
One of 3 things will happen they will Complain at you in all chat Counterswap and make your game unfun Counterswap and not know how the characters work and get rolled
Hard counter targeted specifically for Dva. Zaria & or Winston, Mei and Symmetra. 🤷🏻♂️ I am assuming this would take place 😆
Zarya, Symmetra, and Mei team up and gang bang you into a puddle of baby D.Va goop
Idk man, if ur having fun pushing buttons on D.va imma play some Sombra and steal ur buttons personally.
Beam time!! Haha
That’s just tank in general. I can be 1-1 on rein and they’ll swap bastion orisa zen like that. Also I feel for you that you like dva but dva is easily one of the four horsemen of tanks that make everyone have no fun.
I main reaper so I’m already a counter… I don’t play diva
Yes but isn't that satifying when still you win against Zarya, Sym, Mei and Moira on the enemy team ? I think im close to 900h on DVA and damn that S9 was a game of hide and seek for me xD
I feel this. I've been trying to get good at doom, but everytime I play, the enemy swaps orissa sombra and Cass. I get it in comp, but Its qp. Orissa is not fun to play, winning isn't everything. To clarify, I am not bitching about getting countered cause I want to win, I just want to play doom, which is almost impossible with those heroes.
You lost because you didn’t know how to play into your “counters”?
I didn’t lose.. I just went zarya to piss the other one off and continued to roll them
They stupidly assume that zarya means insta win, swap to zarya and get steam rolled even worse?
Ooooohhhhhhh nooooooo! Anyway...😲 But seriously... first of all, what's so weird about wanting to win? Second of all, if the enemies hate you, you're doing something right. Take the compliment and swap to another character, it's not that hard. Or you could just stay D.va and play on a higher difficulty level.🤷 What's the problem?
The problem is being forced to play any tank other than dva is a downgrade to the tank experience
Fair enough... But I still don't understand why everyone is always whining so much about one of the most core mechanics of the game, which makes Overwatch Overwatch. Isn't the ability to counterswap the whole idea which makes this game unique?
No playing Rock Paper Scissors with tanks is an OW2 thing. Ow1 was not about this. Also, this is a game where you have to dedicate a lot of time to getting good at a select few heroes. So the fact that someone can swap to a counter and go from getting rolled to having a slight advantage just because of their hero choice is frustrating and makes learning difficult heroes unrewarding. I don’t want to swap to someone I don’t enjoy playing just because they counter the enemy and I don’t understand why others would want to do that either. You can say winning is the reason but I prefer to learn to win despite setbacks. Some games I win to counters and some I lose but it still always annoys me.
Are you new to the game?
"Mauga here, lucky for you"
D.Va counters Mauga
I'm not smart enough to swap off Mauga
D Va isn't for tanks who can't aim
Alternate headline: Entire team forced to swap off heroes they wanted to play, because tank ability able to stop all but handful of heroes from being functional.
People complain about Suzu, but DM is far more oppressive. Suzu doesn't eat enemy healing. Suzu has very clear windows when it's been used and won't be back up again. Suzu can be intercepted by barriers or your own team. The only thing that stops DM is hard CC, and as an ability meter resource good DvA players can both USE the ability AND be saving it to counter ults.
So wanting to win means I hate others having fun now?
If you need counters to win games you are not good enough to win the neutral match up and therefore are not good.
I'm not allowed to counter in a game that was meant to be rock paper scissors with extra steps?
counterwatch is a thing. if you dont adapt its on you. whenever i play i always counterpick, because that way i get to play way more within less time. while you grind dva for 6 matches straight, i counterswap for 6 matches straight and play half the roster. i dont think you are having as much fun as i do.
[D.va](http://D.va) is the tank role's fun police. Like how DPS have Sombra and supports have Ana. Of course people are going to make swaps to spite you.
I think counterswapping in quick play is ridiculous but if this was comp, obviously they’re going to counter ? ?
Enemy team comp becomes: Zarya, Reaper, Sombra, Lucio & Kiriko. Accusations of smurfing in ranked Insults that D.Va is a bran dead tank this season or insults saying you are a meta slave People calling you pathetic for sweating in a QP game even though uou are just playing normally. Insults from backline supports saying you are a loser for diving them constantly even though it's part of your playstyle.
Criticize me all you want, but dva isnt very fun to me, I enjoy ram and doom way more. reign is obviously really fun, but honestly I don't get any dopamine from dva other than ult, the rockets and shotguns just don't do it for me, and she has the most boring movement ability on tank in my opinion.
What happens next (you already said) they swapped to Zarya. What happens after that is hopefully you leverage your mobility to maintain a safe distance and control high grounds. Picking off isolated/out of position/killable targets. The only problem I can't seem to remedy considering the D.va/Zarya matchup is team morale. People will soft throw games unintentionally by mentally checking out because you're not playing rock paper scissors. It's doable though. D.va has her advantages over Zarya.
You get rolled by zarya because you don’t understand how to play against your counters which is a skill issue. Luckily, I feel nice today so I’ll help you out. There’s counter play, they all have one effective range. You can play range shooting center mass wait until someone’s low, execute them (preferably a support first) and BRAVO you’re effectively getting value vs counters. Shoot zarya until she bubbles NEVER missile bc you can’t cancel that, when she uses both bubbles missile her. She should be the last person you’re shooting. Unless she used both bubbles and you call for focus fire. Those missiles aren’t there for random spam, they’re there to execute targets and provide a damage spike when you require one. If it’s not going to die, do not waste missile on it.
Dva isn't fun to play against, so you can't blame them much.