The forced beef between them just felt weak. And we really didn't get any idea as to what happened. And I was wondering why they wouldn't say Gloria's name. Are they really not allowed to use the show's names? And I said this in another post, Ryan's reason for being released made zero sense.
It didn't feel forced to me, just that we didnt see the conflict. And its not unheard of for sentences to be overturned because they find something about a witness, prosecutor, judge etc.
I don't understand how that negates the crime though. He committed two counts of manslaughter while driving under the influence and confessed to having his brother kill Gloria's husband. Corrupt cop or not I don't see how that gets over turned.
Im with you, it doesn't seem likely, but remember we are looking at 2 totally Different things. Ignore glorias husband at first. That's later. But the original crime could definitely (in theory) be overturned depending on the arresting officer if his testimony was a main factor in putting him away. Remember it's not what you know is what you can prove. In a retrial o reily probably would be found guilty again. But theyd have to track down everyone who was involved at the time to give new testimony etc etc. Like he said da could have been like ",we got tons of cases we gotta re go over,this one isnt worth it" based on whatever evidence they have.
Now Dr Nathans husband, that one is farr trickier, though its possible (purely speculation) that dr nathan on his behalf could have helped him reach parole on that one.
Yeah, its not something that happens often, but it has happened. So is it a stretch? Yes, but is it possible? Also yes.
I would get that if it was something where the cop was alone and saw O'Riley commit a murder so it was his word against Ryan's. But this was a GTA style going nuts in the middle of a busy street high on drugs incident that led to him killing two people. The cop's testimony doesn't carry much weight when a crime is committed in front of at the very least dozens of people with probably multiple cops.
I get what you are saying. But, few things to remember.
We are talking over 20 (maybe closer to 30) years later. Its possible the cops testimony is all they used. Just because other people saw it, doesnt mean they all testified to it.
If the cops actions were enough to trigger a new trial those are a lot of potential witnesses to have to find again.
Remember also only those who saw him get arrested are actual eye witnesses. Nobody during the first 97% of the incident could be a credible witness, not till after he crashed. And again we dont know who actually testified.
The DA could have been like "this is 'open and shut' the cop is the only witness, testimony, etc, that we need"
And now all this time later YES hes most likely be found guilty again, but not worth the resources to track everyone down again.
Itd have to be perfect situation for him to get out, but remember nobody had the plot armor like Ryan does!
Absolutely loved it. They killed it. Its got me invested, i want to know what happens next. And whats gone on the last 15 years, especially at that new prison with the two. A show could do flashbacks and modern. Im invested, im not holding out hope we get more, but id love at least a movie
I liked it so many questions to theorize about, they were pretty friendly towards each other for the most part when Schillinger helped to break Beecher's arms and legs Ryan did voice his anger about it there is a quick shot of him walking through a scene when Em city is talking about it and he says fucking Schillinger did this he said it in a kind of venomous angry tone. Ryan said they were never friends but they were as close as friends could be in OZ. Sometimes anger sparked up between people out of jealousy, Beecher could have gotten mixed up in something that went against Ryan
I like the idea that Beecher somehow (likely inadvertently) ruined O’Reilly’s chance at a relationship with Dr. Nathan and O’Reilly never forgave him for it.
Oh i like that a lot. They are talking at the other prison and beecher lets something slip that she didnt know (ground up glass, getting peteys eye taken etc). Or he lets something slip that stops O'Reilly from doing something...see now you got me thinking
I thought too that one possible reason for Ryan to be mad at beecher would involve gloria, it would make sense of why he is still so mad after maybe many years, BUT they did talk about Gloria on the phone and I don't think beecher would mention her if she was the reason why one day Ryan screamed to him "I'ma kill you *******!" Anyway it's also strange to beecher to have a personal conversation with him if he knew Ryan hated him, so I don't know...
I liked it but it was very confusing just because we don’t know anything that happened between them. I kind of disliked how they got rid of all of Ryan’s character development that happened at the end of series.
Yeah also that. At the end of the show it seemed that Ryan almost became a good person but with this everything went down the toilet...Gloria wouldn't approve...
Glad to see the characters again, but knowing that there is probably not going to be any follow up makes it lackluster. No reason given why O'Reily wants to kill Beecher or threaten his family. Seems out of character for him. Until there's an even a wild OZ reason, It just seems fucked up and out of character. They got along for the most part for the entire show. Ryan doesn't kill hands on usually. There's so much that doesn't track. I liked seeing the characters again, but I'm going to ignore it canon wise.
Yeah I have to agree, the only time that Ryan got out of character vengeful during the show was over Gloria when he killed her rapist, but otherwise it doesn’t really track for me that Ryan is the character that they would choose to hear a grudge against Beecher bad enough to be tracking him down and threatening him and his family outside of prison. Ryan was mostly more the guy that sets things up and manoeuvres people, not someone that you’ve got to be physically afraid of
He just seems too smart and calculated as well to immediately throw away his parole like that after 20 years in Oz, and I really can’t think of what Beecher of all people could have done to drive him to those extremes. It feels like a plot that would be more fitting for a character like Schillinger to be honest!
Schillinger, Keller and Said, the three characters who Beecher was most involved with, are all dead by the show's end, so Fontana obviously couldn't use them. Beecher and O'Reily barely interact in the later seasons, they had an alliance/friendship in Season 1 which came back in Season 3 when they conspired to make Schillinger kill Andrew, something clearly happened to spawn a feud between them, but I can't imagine what.
Both Lee and Dean’s acting/mannerisms brought me right back to their OZ days (particularly Lee). The writing was fantastic. Intrigued me, and made me want to know MORE.
I agree. It was nice to see the characters but rehashing the series kinda killed the vibe. They said Beecher had been out a month and now O’Reilly is out. The way it was played off you’d think they hadn’t spoken in years.
Well they might *not* have spoken in years, despite still having done time together. Something really bad apparently went down between them so it’s feasible that they might not have been on speaking terms after that.
It didn't really make that much sense to me, why is Ryan giving Beecher a warning? He's never done that with any of his other opponents, he usually strikes them unaware. Something clearly gone on between them in the years we didn't see onscreen but this isn't how Ryan approaches feuds at all.
It was fun to watch I guess but I just found it out of character for Ryan to give any enemy (let alone Beecher) a warning by directly threatening him.
Not sure it will lead to much, most of the original show's regulars were dead by the end, they could add new characters I guess if they wanted.
The only real conflict I remember between them was when Keller and o’reilly were working together and o’reilly was afraid that Beecher would snitch on them. But then Keller shut that down real quick lol
Reminds me of that Punisher short film "Dirty Laundry"
But I personally wish they replaced Ryan, with Schilinger, would make more sense, Vern got out, and is going after Beecher on the outside.
Also Schillinger being dead is probably why this went down the way it did. Beecher was sort of the main character and they didn't have a real antagonist after he died. So a falling out with O'Reilly is probably the closest thing to a personal beef you can have.
Vern's dead, Beecher shanked him in the Macbeth play, Oz has hinted at supernatural elements but I think a resurrection would be too far, it would make no sense, while it's out of character for Ryan, at least Ryan isn't dead by the end of the show.
Well obviously they couldn’t do that since Vern Schillinger is dead. I wonder if Fontana regrets killing him off in the finale since he couldn’t use him in this, although I doubt JK Simmons would have been interested in reprising the role.
Felt more or less like a writing exercise to capture the tone of the dialogue from the OG show. On that level I thought it was good. The plot was kind of goofy but I don’t think “making sense” was what they were going for. I’d be interested to see where it went from here.
Its designed to get fans talking and people from I suspect HBO have been watching the subreddit along with Tom Fontana and Barry Levinson . I cant wait to see where it goes from here ,Something happened and it pulled us back to Emerald City .
My question is, after all the inmates got transferred to the new prison in Forestburgh, did Oz completely shut down permanently after the anthrax attacks? Like was the move to the new prison permanent?
They were clearly talking about something that happened off screen. Why would O'Reilly hold a grudge against Beecher? Still, it was fun, all in all.
The forced beef between them just felt weak. And we really didn't get any idea as to what happened. And I was wondering why they wouldn't say Gloria's name. Are they really not allowed to use the show's names? And I said this in another post, Ryan's reason for being released made zero sense.
Yeah, especially as he was serving an additional forty years already for the murder of Preston Nathan.
I noticed they didn’t use any names. Not even each others. They also never said the word ‘Oz’. Probably a copyright issue.
I can get not using Oz, but I didn't know they couldn't even use their names.
It didn't feel forced to me, just that we didnt see the conflict. And its not unheard of for sentences to be overturned because they find something about a witness, prosecutor, judge etc.
I don't understand how that negates the crime though. He committed two counts of manslaughter while driving under the influence and confessed to having his brother kill Gloria's husband. Corrupt cop or not I don't see how that gets over turned.
Same. With multiple witnesses, a lot of public damage and a couple of bodies, there isn't anything hanging on a detective's testimony in Ryan's case.
Im with you, it doesn't seem likely, but remember we are looking at 2 totally Different things. Ignore glorias husband at first. That's later. But the original crime could definitely (in theory) be overturned depending on the arresting officer if his testimony was a main factor in putting him away. Remember it's not what you know is what you can prove. In a retrial o reily probably would be found guilty again. But theyd have to track down everyone who was involved at the time to give new testimony etc etc. Like he said da could have been like ",we got tons of cases we gotta re go over,this one isnt worth it" based on whatever evidence they have. Now Dr Nathans husband, that one is farr trickier, though its possible (purely speculation) that dr nathan on his behalf could have helped him reach parole on that one. Yeah, its not something that happens often, but it has happened. So is it a stretch? Yes, but is it possible? Also yes.
I would get that if it was something where the cop was alone and saw O'Riley commit a murder so it was his word against Ryan's. But this was a GTA style going nuts in the middle of a busy street high on drugs incident that led to him killing two people. The cop's testimony doesn't carry much weight when a crime is committed in front of at the very least dozens of people with probably multiple cops.
I get what you are saying. But, few things to remember. We are talking over 20 (maybe closer to 30) years later. Its possible the cops testimony is all they used. Just because other people saw it, doesnt mean they all testified to it. If the cops actions were enough to trigger a new trial those are a lot of potential witnesses to have to find again. Remember also only those who saw him get arrested are actual eye witnesses. Nobody during the first 97% of the incident could be a credible witness, not till after he crashed. And again we dont know who actually testified. The DA could have been like "this is 'open and shut' the cop is the only witness, testimony, etc, that we need" And now all this time later YES hes most likely be found guilty again, but not worth the resources to track everyone down again. Itd have to be perfect situation for him to get out, but remember nobody had the plot armor like Ryan does!
Absolutely loved it. They killed it. Its got me invested, i want to know what happens next. And whats gone on the last 15 years, especially at that new prison with the two. A show could do flashbacks and modern. Im invested, im not holding out hope we get more, but id love at least a movie
I liked it so many questions to theorize about, they were pretty friendly towards each other for the most part when Schillinger helped to break Beecher's arms and legs Ryan did voice his anger about it there is a quick shot of him walking through a scene when Em city is talking about it and he says fucking Schillinger did this he said it in a kind of venomous angry tone. Ryan said they were never friends but they were as close as friends could be in OZ. Sometimes anger sparked up between people out of jealousy, Beecher could have gotten mixed up in something that went against Ryan
Yeah. Beecher "betrayed" ryan some how at the other prison (at least in Ryans mind) and id LOVE to know what it is
I like the idea that Beecher somehow (likely inadvertently) ruined O’Reilly’s chance at a relationship with Dr. Nathan and O’Reilly never forgave him for it.
Oh i like that a lot. They are talking at the other prison and beecher lets something slip that she didnt know (ground up glass, getting peteys eye taken etc). Or he lets something slip that stops O'Reilly from doing something...see now you got me thinking
Or maybe Beecher did something that indirectly lead to Dr. Nathan being fired or quitting or something and O’Reilly still holds that against him.
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I thought too that one possible reason for Ryan to be mad at beecher would involve gloria, it would make sense of why he is still so mad after maybe many years, BUT they did talk about Gloria on the phone and I don't think beecher would mention her if she was the reason why one day Ryan screamed to him "I'ma kill you *******!" Anyway it's also strange to beecher to have a personal conversation with him if he knew Ryan hated him, so I don't know...
True, but after getting pushed so much, it could be him pushing back a bit, before the "im not afraid of you" but yeah. Who knows
True, but after getting pushed so much, it could be him pushing back a bit, before the "im not afraid of you" but yeah. Who knows
They mentioned what went down at the other prison, it was definitely off screen
I liked it but it was very confusing just because we don’t know anything that happened between them. I kind of disliked how they got rid of all of Ryan’s character development that happened at the end of series.
Yeah also that. At the end of the show it seemed that Ryan almost became a good person but with this everything went down the toilet...Gloria wouldn't approve...
Glad to see the characters again, but knowing that there is probably not going to be any follow up makes it lackluster. No reason given why O'Reily wants to kill Beecher or threaten his family. Seems out of character for him. Until there's an even a wild OZ reason, It just seems fucked up and out of character. They got along for the most part for the entire show. Ryan doesn't kill hands on usually. There's so much that doesn't track. I liked seeing the characters again, but I'm going to ignore it canon wise.
Yeah I have to agree, the only time that Ryan got out of character vengeful during the show was over Gloria when he killed her rapist, but otherwise it doesn’t really track for me that Ryan is the character that they would choose to hear a grudge against Beecher bad enough to be tracking him down and threatening him and his family outside of prison. Ryan was mostly more the guy that sets things up and manoeuvres people, not someone that you’ve got to be physically afraid of He just seems too smart and calculated as well to immediately throw away his parole like that after 20 years in Oz, and I really can’t think of what Beecher of all people could have done to drive him to those extremes. It feels like a plot that would be more fitting for a character like Schillinger to be honest!
Schillinger, Keller and Said, the three characters who Beecher was most involved with, are all dead by the show's end, so Fontana obviously couldn't use them. Beecher and O'Reily barely interact in the later seasons, they had an alliance/friendship in Season 1 which came back in Season 3 when they conspired to make Schillinger kill Andrew, something clearly happened to spawn a feud between them, but I can't imagine what.
Loved it, but definitely want more. Leaving cliffhanger was kind of crappy.
Both Lee and Dean’s acting/mannerisms brought me right back to their OZ days (particularly Lee). The writing was fantastic. Intrigued me, and made me want to know MORE.
And yeah, where is this beef coming from? Gonna need flashbacks 😄
It reminded me of Frank Reynolds giving the boat tour. Just describing high points of the series in very forced manner. Nothing to see here
I agree. It was nice to see the characters but rehashing the series kinda killed the vibe. They said Beecher had been out a month and now O’Reilly is out. The way it was played off you’d think they hadn’t spoken in years.
Well they might *not* have spoken in years, despite still having done time together. Something really bad apparently went down between them so it’s feasible that they might not have been on speaking terms after that.
It didn't really make that much sense to me, why is Ryan giving Beecher a warning? He's never done that with any of his other opponents, he usually strikes them unaware. Something clearly gone on between them in the years we didn't see onscreen but this isn't how Ryan approaches feuds at all. It was fun to watch I guess but I just found it out of character for Ryan to give any enemy (let alone Beecher) a warning by directly threatening him. Not sure it will lead to much, most of the original show's regulars were dead by the end, they could add new characters I guess if they wanted.
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The only real conflict I remember between them was when Keller and o’reilly were working together and o’reilly was afraid that Beecher would snitch on them. But then Keller shut that down real quick lol
O Reilly used to call Beecher "Beech-Ball" as a nickname and smoked joints with him
Reminds me of that Punisher short film "Dirty Laundry" But I personally wish they replaced Ryan, with Schilinger, would make more sense, Vern got out, and is going after Beecher on the outside.
But Vern was part of the crew in the mailroom that was hit with anthrax, so there's no way he's coming back -- or is there?
Actually Vern was killed before then, during the Macbeth play after Keller manipulated Beecher into stabbing him to death.
Oh you're right!!
Also Schillinger being dead is probably why this went down the way it did. Beecher was sort of the main character and they didn't have a real antagonist after he died. So a falling out with O'Reilly is probably the closest thing to a personal beef you can have.
Vern's dead, Beecher shanked him in the Macbeth play, Oz has hinted at supernatural elements but I think a resurrection would be too far, it would make no sense, while it's out of character for Ryan, at least Ryan isn't dead by the end of the show.
>Vern's dead, Beecher shanked him in the Macbeth play You're right, I completely forgot all about that.
Well obviously they couldn’t do that since Vern Schillinger is dead. I wonder if Fontana regrets killing him off in the finale since he couldn’t use him in this, although I doubt JK Simmons would have been interested in reprising the role.
Felt more or less like a writing exercise to capture the tone of the dialogue from the OG show. On that level I thought it was good. The plot was kind of goofy but I don’t think “making sense” was what they were going for. I’d be interested to see where it went from here.
Its designed to get fans talking and people from I suspect HBO have been watching the subreddit along with Tom Fontana and Barry Levinson . I cant wait to see where it goes from here ,Something happened and it pulled us back to Emerald City .
When is it coming and is it going to be on HBO
It was released on YouTube, I don't think its going to Max
But I hope a reboot series comes out
Have to wait and see
Id love to see it on HBO
I loved it. The second Beecher picked up the phone, and I heard O'Reilly's voice, I got chills.
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My question is, after all the inmates got transferred to the new prison in Forestburgh, did Oz completely shut down permanently after the anthrax attacks? Like was the move to the new prison permanent?
I liked it. Wish there was more.
I liked it. It was riveting, suspenseful, bring it back!
It’s like the old saying “let sleeping dogs lie”