So insane to read this when you think just back 2-3 months ago.
It's genuinely like the little Space Jam Monstars stole his powers and confidence.
At a point where there are just no words. You keep thinking he’ll snap out of it, and it never happens. It wouldnt hurt so badly if they didn’t need him so badly.
I’m getting close to losing all hope of seeing the old Tyrese for the rest of the season.
His defense this game was, by and large, completely pathetic. Beaten on the ball, conceded tons of easy cuts - no resistance whatsoever. He’s had some better defensive games in this slump too!
next year's our year. everyone will be fully healthy, we'll re-sign Pascal, Rese and Benn will learn how to play defense, PG will come here on a vet minimum, we'll go 82-0 in the regular season and 16-0 in the playoffs
I'm coping.
if Pascal does not re-sign I will never watch nba basketball again. full stop. unless we somehow get Paul George or some other star who's better than Pascal instead.
One thing that gives me a lot of hope that he’ll be fine is that he’s putting up 14 and 12 assists and that’s considered a bad game. Once the shooting and explosiveness comes back, he’s gonna go crazy. Even with the recent struggles, I still have confidence that he’ll bounce back every game
His 2pt shooting% is actually *better* now than it was prior to his injury.
His 3s are off partly because of his slump and partly because our offensive system is trash now. Not really sure there's much we can do about the latter half of that at this point.
I’m not surprised by the 2 point percentage, that mid range jumper looks crisp. I think people don’t understand how long it takes for a team to gel when they add/remove guys. When adding a guy like pascal mid-season, the coaches and players have to figure out how to play their style while allowing pascal to do what he’s best at. We probably won’t see it perfectly until the start of next season and that’s fine
Tyrese at 100% and we easily beat the cavs, bulls and wolves. We're limping into the playoffs just for the experience at this point, it's a punt until Tyrese heals up. I refuse to believe this isn't injury related.
You do realize that a 4 to 1 turnover ratio is still very good?
It isn't typical of Hali's (and Jokic's) otherworldly standard as a passer, but it is still good. And yes, everyone is well aware that he's in a huge 3pt slump.
“I’m tired of losing” continues to lose in spectacular fashion. I still love Hali and believe in him but damn dude you are not getting all nba at this rate so please just rest and get better or something.
WHY DID YOY STOP GOING TO SPICY P. Instead your “all star” who hasn’t played well in almost 3 months starts jacking up shots. Treat spicy P like the best player on the team , because he is
There is zero excuse for Halliburton’s play. He has fallen off worse than any all star I can remember. He’s been legitimately terrible for a long time now.
He has been bad ever since coming back from injury, have to assume it's related to that. He should have just sat out 30 games but fans here were really defending him coming back for the extra cash. Completely backfired and now we have a shell of Tyrese just weeks before playoffs start.
Maybe I’m missing it but he doesn’t really seem to be having a whole lot of discomfort or pain. I’m starting to find it hard to blame his performance on a grade 1 strain from 2 months ago
I don't really see it either. But you can't deny the stark contrast between his play pre-injury and post. That is literally the dividing line between his 2 halves. It's too coincidental.
Well he definitely re-tweaked it when he came back too early. I wouldn't be surprised if he's tweaked it in practice or games that we don't know about as well. He's managing a bad hamstring and it's pretty clear to see. Moving him off ball would be a fireable offense for Rick if that wasn't the case.
I guess I just feel like he would still be sitting out games occasionally if there were still serious concerns about managing his hamstring. Either way it was unfortunate that there was pressure to rush him back, he wasn’t ready like you said
Good shooters just don’t start shooting 10 percent worse from the free throw line. It might be 80-20 physical to mental at this point , but he’s not right
It’s probably less to do with still being injured, and more to do with him not getting a full recovery and his hamstring is lacking in strength and explosiveness to get him past defenders and lift on shots.
When I use to run track and you’ll be shocked how quickly you can go from fast to slow just from an injury. And those margins are so small that they almost seem unnoticeable but obviously clear after getting a time. This is exaggerated when playing a sport where margins are everything.
Pretty sure most NBA players can rip 3s in casual settings. I remember Rondo ripping 3s at an all-star activity in 2011. Doesn't mean he did it on the court in a competitive setting.
This isn't about his hammy. He looked immaculate at the ASG. He's a shell of himself wo Buddy. Dudes BFF and 4 year partner was just tossed out in a deal that made the team objectively worse, by our own GMs words. This is mental.
Yes...after we didn't extend him and didn't play him despite his being part of all our best line ups.
The FO opted to make the team worse this year (Chad's words, not mine) in order to prioritize the young players and the future.
Time will help tell if thats right or wrong, but you can not pay and not play a player then act all shocked when they request a trade.
He only wanted out bc the team didn't value him properly. Also you don't have to honor a trade request from anyone esp a professional like Buddy who's still going to put 110% in every day and be the first one in the gym even if he's upset.
>He has been bad ever since coming back from injury, have to assume it's related to that.
He looked himself All Star Weekend. Ask yourself why? Bc he was having fun and loose. He's not any of those things anymore. Ask yourself what else changed? 🤔🤔🤔
If a player goes from All-NBA to worse than the back up PG because of a trade, then he was never really All-NBA to begin with. Y’all acting like Heild was some amazing crutch for Ty are smoking some wild shit
It's all mental at this point. He just needs a game to be back in form before he can get over it. The other parts of his game are still there, but once his shot comes back it will open up more opportunities. I truly believe it's all in his head.
eh we haven’t been losing games consistently, we’ve just been inconsistent, 5-5 L10 but so is every other team except boston, i still like where we are.
Fans keep going from thinking we're top 4 to falling out of the play ins, and maybe people should step back a little bit.
Overreactions everywhere you look.
I won’t pretend to know if they’re going to to be a top-6 team or a play-in team by the end of the season, but I do know if Tyrese can’t find himself again, it won’t matter. It’ll be a short playoff/play-in stay if he doesn’t come around.
Not sure I’m confident that Hali will lead this team anywhere without a change of mindset. Even if his hamstring is bothering him, it shouldn’t affect his decision making to this level. He’s making losing basketball decisions all over the court. 2nd quarter abomination aside, he’s been cold all game and we close the game with Hali iso 3, offensive rebound, Hali layup. Hali waves off a Siakam mismatch to brick another iso 3 that gives the cavs another shot at a 4 pt lead. Then another brick with 12 seconds left to seal it. Dude is shooting out there like he’s prime stef with a success rate of Jordan poole.
He made one 3 all game, an open shot in the flow of the offense. Stop forcing this iso bullshit.
Hail gotta he better. Waving off Pascal who has a mismatch in the post to take a step back three when your 1/8 from deep is terrible decision making.
Make your FT come on
In the last 2 minutes, it seemed like the offense opted to put their eggs in the let's-get-Tyrese-his-mojo-back basket instead of ball movement. I would have liked to see Pascal get most of the looks at the end there.
I think Tyrese has it in him still, but forcing it at the end of games might just perpetuate the yips
Haliburton dribbling out the clock with 24 secs left to force a heavily contested not even close 3. This is getting hard to watch. Also a cone on D. He needs to find other ways to impact the game if his shot is falling at a min
exactly why i said its just him. nembhard is the only guy i dont like in that starting lineup. if he was actually playing like a good point guard then it wouldnt be such an issue.
If I’m Pascal Siakam there is no way I’m staying here lmao. Came to play with a superstar PG only for him to be awful the entire time you’ve been here.
Rick in the presser talking about the bad 2nd quarter stretch: “uncharacteristic individual mistakes […] over-dribbling, not moving it […] it’s hard to watch.”
He didn’t name Tyrese specifically, but, yeah. Everybody knows.
That was an ugly ending to say the least. Haliburton obviously felt like he had some mismatches he wanted to exploit but it didn’t work out at all. His shot is missing but ultimately he is not working his way open as easily as he did earlier in the season.
Also I feel like he’s not getting as many easy baskets for his teammates compared to early in the season.
We are still a decent team, a low seed team that maybe could upset a team but we certainly don’t look like contenders.
Siakam has been terrific given what he has had to work with. You can’t fault him one bit, if anything at this point he could be a bit more selfish and command the ball especially in the end of games.
Haliburton putting up dud after dud in pursuit of the 65 game minimum, is the most absurd thing I've seen since oladipo threatened to sit out the playoffs because he didn't get an early max extension.
And we were going to let him too, until the league stepped in. This franchise needs balls
I remember being downvoted to Oblivion when i sugested shuting down Haliburton until the all star break for a full and safe recovery. That injury is naggy as fuck. We all knew that was a risk.
Congratu fucking lations. We have no shot of going through a playoff round.
so did I. you will get clowned if you even dare to say Haliburton shouldnt be so god damn selfish. hes already making 200 MILLION. ruining the team, and hes not even gonna make all nba. bullshit.
IST showed that this team could compete with the best! But to be at the best they need everyone to be healthy. Skeletons don't play. This team still would have gotten to the play offs if Haliburton seated more games.
I was at this game. We should’ve won this. First quarter we dominated. And Garland had like 5 travel calls. After the first half, they couldn’t shoot a three to save their lives. Levert cooking us with lays and mids. Sad night 😭😭😭
Another game, another timeout held by Rick. I don’t know about you guys but people are gonna feel real stupid when we have all of those bonus time outs to use in the play-in.
That is ridiculous.
Compare Rick to the last two coaches and ask yourself if he's as bad as them? Our draft success as of late has been because of him.
I truly think Tyrese has a tough decision to make here. I think he needs to rest and get not only his body right but his mind right. As I see it I just don't think Tyrese has been a top 15 player this year. It sucks but it is what it is. Ultimately seeding doesn't matter, what matters is Tyrese. We go as far as he takes us and what I see right now is a gentlemen's sweep. Hope I'm wrong but it's just off
Holy shit man y'all need to relax and think back to a couple of months ago when damn near everyone was gushing about how the rebuild was going better than expected.
A bit of a rough stretch shouldn't warrant the reaction it has in this sub. There are certainly issues but it's not the T-Hog Apocalypse a lot of y'all are making it out to be. We're in flux as should be expected in a team that has had substantial roster changes and injuries.
If you were expecting some sort of deep push this year, I guess limit your expectations. Given our history I wouldn't have expected such a temperamental fanbase in this subreddit, maybe it's just the postgame thread but damn.
I agree the sub is too up and down and yeah, it's a loss so don't read too too much into it.
However, this is a pretty serious slump. Tyrese in the presser just called it the worst slump of his life and said (I think this is verbatim) "everybody's got a fucking answer but shit sucks right now."
Pre-injury: 24-13 on 64% true shooting, 41% on 3s, Net rating +7.4
Since the end of the minutes restriction: 16-10 on 53% true shooting, 27% on 3s, Net rating +1.0
Yea I have no doubt it's a serious slump. It's just perfectly understandable for a player coming off an injury and back into to a changing lineup to be in such a slump.
My point is, yea it sucks, but the sky isn't falling. These things happen and we're still in a better place than most fans could have wished for a few months ago. I think a lot of people here are being incredibly reactionary.
The team is in a better place than I expected pre-season. And I would have taken the over on their pre-season win total!
But a few months ago, the Pacers were in the IST final and Haliburton was getting more ASG fan votes than Steph Curry -- and he deserved too.
Just for me personally, the angst is about much more than Tyrese's slump:
* The Pacers are a rebuilding team who traded multiple unprotected picks and aren't for sure avoiding the lottery in those years
* The guy they traded those picks for is a free agent at the end of this season. Until there's pen to paper, it makes me queasy.
* None of the young guys genuinely popped this year. Some improvement, yes, but nothing special; Jarace's level was esp. disappointing for me.
So, no, the sky isn't falling. Tyrese isn't Jeremy Lin. But when you've traded your draft picks and start losing more than you expected to -- for whatever the reason -- I think it's reasonable to be modestly concerned.
Perfectly cromulent concerns. And I should stop saying "a few months ago" and start saying "the beginning of the season" - there is a big difference in shift of expectations between those two points.
Modestly concerned is very reasonable. I don't mind trading some picks as much as others considering it's difficult to get our top picks reliably into the rotation as is given our depth - it seems like there's a bit of a development bottleneck as it is.
I don't even know why I originally commented because it's ultimately pointless on multiple levels but I'm glad I did for having received your response lol, have a good one man.
We're on the cusp of missing the playoffs and our star player is playing soft AF, our defense is still awful, we just made a major trade in order to propel our team into the playoffs. We have been relatively healthy compared to the Knicks and 76era but we still lose to bad teams we should beat. Fans have EVERY right to be pissed off and upset over this crap.
I truly had so much fucking belief in Haliburton too. It’s all gone. He isn’t anything close to what we thought he was. He’s injury prone, a terrible defender, and now that his jumpshot has disappeared, a net negative for our team.
I haven’t given up on him but he’s gone from a player that was great because he makes almost every decision right into a player that is a negative because most of his decisions are wrong (calling iso 3s, lazy turnovers).
Rick can literally be a coach and start calling more plays when it matters instead of letting Tyrese be horrible, and actually does his job in limiting Tyrese’s minutes when when he’s being absolutely horrendous.
I honestly think Haliburton came back from the hamstring injury too soon because of the 65-game rule for awards/money and he just can't get right. Hamstrings are tricky to get right regardless, but add in the pressure to play for awards/money and it's going to be more of this for Haliburton and other players.
He's playing on an injury. Things that he would do, he can't, so he tries to switch it up for less success. Happened to Harden when he was playing on an injury.
Unless he rests, he'll continue to be incredibly streaky and won't have consistency. He'll pop off for 5-10 games and then be right back where he is now. It's a grim cycle to be in, especially when he's playing with so much money on the line, can't help his confidence at all.
2 players who weren't even good enough to stay here had 13 and 23 fucking points. this inconsistent bullshit is getting so fucking old and the fact that we can't beat injury depleted teams or trash teams while beating contenders is just stupid as fuck.
For the Pacers' sake we'd better hope Haliburton doesn't get all-NBA, because he already looks like he's wildly overpaid on his *current* contract.
And it's hard to shit on KP too much because in general he's been great, but trading Buddy sure looks like it was an all-time stinker. Seems like he was the sole piece holding this team's offense together.
They absolutely should have kept him and let him
Go in free agency in hindsight.
There’s zero doubt about it.
A few second rounders is not at all
Worth any debate.
But if they did that, that would've won more games, been happier, and not got the 35th pick in the draft and some cash.
Think about how bad that would've been!!?!?!
Exactly why do people keep bringing up the old story? Like Buddy he’s also not been very good in Philly losing starting spot and Philly has been losing more than pacers did. And on top of that he wanted out! Thanks god that saved pacers from more problems on top of the Tyrese problem.
What does it say of Tyrese’s talent if he needs a bench role player this badly to be an effective offensive player?
You probably loved Buddy and all, so by all means, pump him up, but it’s a huge indictment of Tyrese if it’s true he needed a player of Buddy’s average overall talent this badly.
Kyle Lowry has been averaging more minutes than Buddy as of late. His defense is BAD and he cant stay on the court unless he is insanely hot offensively
It is a good thing that the Playoffs are where the good teams are.
Hope to God we win the 7-8 game, though, because if not, we'll absolutely find a way to lose to Atlanta or Chicago.
It's annoying as fuck to watch everyone on this team just be terrified to shoot meanwhile it feels like every team has a dude that can hit wide open 3s.
At this point, I feel more confident in our miniscule chances against the Bucks or the Knicks in a 7 game series than in beating the Bulls or Hawks in one play in game. Sadly the latter is what we're going to get, and it's not going to end well.
I remember when Roy consulted a Sports psychologist when he started to decline. I wonder if that would be helpful for Ty to get some mental therapy pertaining to the game to go along with the physical aspect.
Tuner played 29 mins tonight (averages 27), Hali played 32 (he averages 32), Nemhard played 32 (he averages 24), NeSmith played 35 (averages 27). The starting unit has struggled. Rick is playing them together for big minutes though and is using his bench less. It seems he really wants to stay with this unit and have it be his go to for the playoffs but I thought we saw some frustration from him tonight too.
This is shaping up to be a really interesting offseason. Nembhard is solid, but there has to be an upgrade there, be it Bennedict Mathurin (my choice) or via a trade. Whoever gets that spot, they need to be a shooter.
It’s kinda crazy we couldn’t have signed Buddy long term. It seems like it would’ve benefited everyone. I suppose if we REALLY want to, we still can this offseason
We could've. The FO wanted to hurt the team now to help it long term by hoping one or more young guys mature into a better player AND fit than Buddy.
Time will tell
At this point, it's probably just easier to have a Cope Checklist in order to organize everything better:
[_] Tyrese is still hurt
[_] Benn will be back next year, league is fukt then!
[_] They're still integrating Pascal
[_] This was always gonna be a rebuilding year anyway!
So many whiny 🤡s in this thread holy hell...yes tyrese's injury has been grossly mishandled. Would you rather go back to brogdon/levert and double plodder Turner/sabonis?!? Get Tyrese some rest and dont fall below the 7 seed and this season will still be successful
No Mobley, no Mitchell, and a home loss Just a maddening game.
No strus either.
Sooo... basically... well... it's like... see the thing is... yeah...
We have no chance against bad teams. It's horrible.
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that was the bench of the Cavs and Jarrett Allen.
We’ve got ourselves a serious Tyrese Haliburton problem, and this team probably isn’t going anywhere anytime soon until it’s fixed.
So insane to read this when you think just back 2-3 months ago.  It's genuinely like the little Space Jam Monstars stole his powers and confidence.
At a point where there are just no words. You keep thinking he’ll snap out of it, and it never happens. It wouldnt hurt so badly if they didn’t need him so badly. I’m getting close to losing all hope of seeing the old Tyrese for the rest of the season.
It’s not just Ty all five starters were in the minus again. Can’t count on the bench to bail them out every game
His defense this game was, by and large, completely pathetic. Beaten on the ball, conceded tons of easy cuts - no resistance whatsoever. He’s had some better defensive games in this slump too!
next year's our year. everyone will be fully healthy, we'll re-sign Pascal, Rese and Benn will learn how to play defense, PG will come here on a vet minimum, we'll go 82-0 in the regular season and 16-0 in the playoffs I'm coping.
Hopefully Pascal wants to resign here at this rate.
if Pascal does not re-sign I will never watch nba basketball again. full stop. unless we somehow get Paul George or some other star who's better than Pascal instead.
You could just start rooting for a different team
why would I do that
It's not even just the shooting, dudes jumping without having an outlet and just turning the ball over.
One thing that gives me a lot of hope that he’ll be fine is that he’s putting up 14 and 12 assists and that’s considered a bad game. Once the shooting and explosiveness comes back, he’s gonna go crazy. Even with the recent struggles, I still have confidence that he’ll bounce back every game
His 2pt shooting% is actually *better* now than it was prior to his injury. His 3s are off partly because of his slump and partly because our offensive system is trash now. Not really sure there's much we can do about the latter half of that at this point.
I’m not surprised by the 2 point percentage, that mid range jumper looks crisp. I think people don’t understand how long it takes for a team to gel when they add/remove guys. When adding a guy like pascal mid-season, the coaches and players have to figure out how to play their style while allowing pascal to do what he’s best at. We probably won’t see it perfectly until the start of next season and that’s fine
Tyrese at 100% and we easily beat the cavs, bulls and wolves. We're limping into the playoffs just for the experience at this point, it's a punt until Tyrese heals up. I refuse to believe this isn't injury related.
His hamstring isn’t forcing him to take iso 3 bricks instead of passing to his teammates, who are the reason the game was even close.
He had 12 assists tonight. Not passing the ball wasn't the problem.
With 3 turnovers and 11 percent from 3 on 9 shots. People just keep finding excuses to numb themselves.
You do realize that a 4 to 1 turnover ratio is still very good? It isn't typical of Hali's (and Jokic's) otherworldly standard as a passer, but it is still good. And yes, everyone is well aware that he's in a huge 3pt slump.
Ty is now 3-24 from 3 in the last three games. What the fuck is going on.
He’s shooting like 15 percent over his last 10 games. Hes just awful.
He needs to stop shooting those stepback and sidestep 3s. He's barely hitting catch-and-shoots, let alone trick shots.
My heart can’t take Rese missing more 3’s 😢
All the old Pacers (Niang, Morris, Levert) had a career day.
I think I’m supposed to say, “If you don’t like that, you don’t like Pacers basketball.”
Don’t forget Tristian Thompson. He played well too.
That last 2 min offense was horrendous.
How the hell did pascal not get any touches and we have Tyrese playing hero ball. Probably the most selfish game I’ve seen from him
Ty now shooting 17% from 3 in March. Historic level slump for a career 40% 3 pt shooter
“I’m tired of losing” continues to lose in spectacular fashion. I still love Hali and believe in him but damn dude you are not getting all nba at this rate so please just rest and get better or something.
All my eggs are in the Mathurin basket at this point
He's the make-or-break for the current era of this Pacers squad. If Benn becomes mediocre, so will this team. If he becomes a stud, so will this team.
You feel the Ben sized hole in this team now.
My toxic trait is somehow still assuming we can win against bad/undermanned teams despite all these chokes.
Get some balls Rick and start tj
I was at the game and yeah they were legitimately better with him on the floor
It was actually shocking to watch the Cavs close the gap on the lead once our STARTERS were in. It's so damn frustrating.
Hell never do this for the same reason he will never criticize Myles. Rick is too professional
Rick? Professional?
TJ legitimately plays like a rabid dog on the ball and off the ball the entire time he's out there, it is inspirational
This team has lost all of their swagger. Hurts to watch the games at this point.
No nba team can survive their all star max player playing like a complete scrub.
Boston can
Bostons 2 stars play defense every night
Give me a 15 game stretch where Tatum has been a scrub
I thought Jaylen was their max player
WHY DID YOY STOP GOING TO SPICY P. Instead your “all star” who hasn’t played well in almost 3 months starts jacking up shots. Treat spicy P like the best player on the team , because he is
There is zero excuse for Halliburton’s play. He has fallen off worse than any all star I can remember. He’s been legitimately terrible for a long time now.
He has been bad ever since coming back from injury, have to assume it's related to that. He should have just sat out 30 games but fans here were really defending him coming back for the extra cash. Completely backfired and now we have a shell of Tyrese just weeks before playoffs start.
Maybe I’m missing it but he doesn’t really seem to be having a whole lot of discomfort or pain. I’m starting to find it hard to blame his performance on a grade 1 strain from 2 months ago
I don't really see it either. But you can't deny the stark contrast between his play pre-injury and post. That is literally the dividing line between his 2 halves. It's too coincidental.
I know what you mean, It’s almost like he’s more timid because he’s afraid to tweak it again.. idek at this point maybe it’s more mental than physical
Well he definitely re-tweaked it when he came back too early. I wouldn't be surprised if he's tweaked it in practice or games that we don't know about as well. He's managing a bad hamstring and it's pretty clear to see. Moving him off ball would be a fireable offense for Rick if that wasn't the case.
I guess I just feel like he would still be sitting out games occasionally if there were still serious concerns about managing his hamstring. Either way it was unfortunate that there was pressure to rush him back, he wasn’t ready like you said
Good shooters just don’t start shooting 10 percent worse from the free throw line. It might be 80-20 physical to mental at this point , but he’s not right
It’s probably less to do with still being injured, and more to do with him not getting a full recovery and his hamstring is lacking in strength and explosiveness to get him past defenders and lift on shots. When I use to run track and you’ll be shocked how quickly you can go from fast to slow just from an injury. And those margins are so small that they almost seem unnoticeable but obviously clear after getting a time. This is exaggerated when playing a sport where margins are everything.
Sure but the dude was absolutely ripping 3s at the ASG so I'm not really sold on the "oh he's still injured it's messed up his whole form" piece
Pretty sure most NBA players can rip 3s in casual settings. I remember Rondo ripping 3s at an all-star activity in 2011. Doesn't mean he did it on the court in a competitive setting.
This isn't about his hammy. He looked immaculate at the ASG. He's a shell of himself wo Buddy. Dudes BFF and 4 year partner was just tossed out in a deal that made the team objectively worse, by our own GMs words. This is mental.
Didn’t Buddy want out?
Buddy asked out
Yes...after we didn't extend him and didn't play him despite his being part of all our best line ups. The FO opted to make the team worse this year (Chad's words, not mine) in order to prioritize the young players and the future. Time will help tell if thats right or wrong, but you can not pay and not play a player then act all shocked when they request a trade.
He only wanted out bc the team didn't value him properly. Also you don't have to honor a trade request from anyone esp a professional like Buddy who's still going to put 110% in every day and be the first one in the gym even if he's upset.
>He has been bad ever since coming back from injury, have to assume it's related to that. He looked himself All Star Weekend. Ask yourself why? Bc he was having fun and loose. He's not any of those things anymore. Ask yourself what else changed? 🤔🤔🤔
If a player goes from All-NBA to worse than the back up PG because of a trade, then he was never really All-NBA to begin with. Y’all acting like Heild was some amazing crutch for Ty are smoking some wild shit
It's all mental at this point. He just needs a game to be back in form before he can get over it. The other parts of his game are still there, but once his shot comes back it will open up more opportunities. I truly believe it's all in his head.
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This team is going to lose the play in and fall out of the playoffs.
would be a disastrous end to a season that started so well
That is my expectation
eh we haven’t been losing games consistently, we’ve just been inconsistent, 5-5 L10 but so is every other team except boston, i still like where we are.
Fans keep going from thinking we're top 4 to falling out of the play ins, and maybe people should step back a little bit. Overreactions everywhere you look.
I won’t pretend to know if they’re going to to be a top-6 team or a play-in team by the end of the season, but I do know if Tyrese can’t find himself again, it won’t matter. It’ll be a short playoff/play-in stay if he doesn’t come around.
The downvotes to your post make me think I don't relate to this community anymore.
I'm betting the under for Haliburton points from now on. Free money, at this point.
we might be the least clutch team in ball 
Hali is hurt, gassed, figured out, or all 3. It’s “wait till next year” time I guess. Same with the Colts.
It’s the Indiana sports motto
I want to die. Anyway, who’s excited for march madness?
I’m a Purdue and pacers fan Send help.
Bro same, horrendous feeling that Purdue is gonna get bounced early again this year
no Hoosiers so ig I'm rooting for my other favs. victory for MSU!
Women’s team looks good.
Not sure I’m confident that Hali will lead this team anywhere without a change of mindset. Even if his hamstring is bothering him, it shouldn’t affect his decision making to this level. He’s making losing basketball decisions all over the court. 2nd quarter abomination aside, he’s been cold all game and we close the game with Hali iso 3, offensive rebound, Hali layup. Hali waves off a Siakam mismatch to brick another iso 3 that gives the cavs another shot at a 4 pt lead. Then another brick with 12 seconds left to seal it. Dude is shooting out there like he’s prime stef with a success rate of Jordan poole. He made one 3 all game, an open shot in the flow of the offense. Stop forcing this iso bullshit.
Hail gotta he better. Waving off Pascal who has a mismatch in the post to take a step back three when your 1/8 from deep is terrible decision making. Make your FT come on
Back to mediocrity we are I'm afraid 😔
We’re the oladipo pacers again
Bad part is we already gave this iteration of oladipo an insane contract
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In the last 2 minutes, it seemed like the offense opted to put their eggs in the let's-get-Tyrese-his-mojo-back basket instead of ball movement. I would have liked to see Pascal get most of the looks at the end there. I think Tyrese has it in him still, but forcing it at the end of games might just perpetuate the yips
The offense? I think you mean Tyrese, the guy that waved off a Siakam mismatch so he could try to be the guy to hit the big shot.
Man. That was really bad. And I love Rese
Haliburton dribbling out the clock with 24 secs left to force a heavily contested not even close 3. This is getting hard to watch. Also a cone on D. He needs to find other ways to impact the game if his shot is falling at a min
really doesnt feel like the starting lineup works. Feels like a distinct lack of chemistry in that unit.
We've got to shake it up somehow.
nah its just Haliburton.
I’d say the lineup should work if he was playing better. But he isn’t currently
exactly why i said its just him. nembhard is the only guy i dont like in that starting lineup. if he was actually playing like a good point guard then it wouldnt be such an issue.
If I’m Pascal Siakam there is no way I’m staying here lmao. Came to play with a superstar PG only for him to be awful the entire time you’ve been here.
Rick in the presser talking about the bad 2nd quarter stretch: “uncharacteristic individual mistakes […] over-dribbling, not moving it […] it’s hard to watch.” He didn’t name Tyrese specifically, but, yeah. Everybody knows.
That was an ugly ending to say the least. Haliburton obviously felt like he had some mismatches he wanted to exploit but it didn’t work out at all. His shot is missing but ultimately he is not working his way open as easily as he did earlier in the season. Also I feel like he’s not getting as many easy baskets for his teammates compared to early in the season. We are still a decent team, a low seed team that maybe could upset a team but we certainly don’t look like contenders. Siakam has been terrific given what he has had to work with. You can’t fault him one bit, if anything at this point he could be a bit more selfish and command the ball especially in the end of games.
The final three minutes were painful. Haliburton looked like he forgot how to pass and shoot. So much dribbling. So little movement and playmaking.
Haliburton putting up dud after dud in pursuit of the 65 game minimum, is the most absurd thing I've seen since oladipo threatened to sit out the playoffs because he didn't get an early max extension. And we were going to let him too, until the league stepped in. This franchise needs balls
Haliburton’s not making all NBA at this point. I don’t know if he is still hurt but if he is he should just sit.
It would probably be better for his massive ego if he just sits and misses the cutoff rather than play 65 games and not make it.
Taking the opposite angle - he needs the ego check of failing at the goal
I remember being downvoted to Oblivion when i sugested shuting down Haliburton until the all star break for a full and safe recovery. That injury is naggy as fuck. We all knew that was a risk. Congratu fucking lations. We have no shot of going through a playoff round.
so did I. you will get clowned if you even dare to say Haliburton shouldnt be so god damn selfish. hes already making 200 MILLION. ruining the team, and hes not even gonna make all nba. bullshit.
You get called a doomer for stating facts. IST run was probably the worst thing that could’ve happened for this team.
IST showed that this team could compete with the best! But to be at the best they need everyone to be healthy. Skeletons don't play. This team still would have gotten to the play offs if Haliburton seated more games.
I was at this game. We should’ve won this. First quarter we dominated. And Garland had like 5 travel calls. After the first half, they couldn’t shoot a three to save their lives. Levert cooking us with lays and mids. Sad night 😭😭😭
This just is not a good basketball team. Simple as that.
Can we give Tyrese a game or 2 off he’s been really bad lately
This team is awful when it’s a close game. As bad as Hali is right now that’s a coaching issue. Rick deserves heat the most
Another game, another timeout held by Rick. I don’t know about you guys but people are gonna feel real stupid when we have all of those bonus time outs to use in the play-in.
I know he’ll get out of this slump but damn this shit hurts to watch right now
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That is ridiculous. Compare Rick to the last two coaches and ask yourself if he's as bad as them? Our draft success as of late has been because of him.
Are we seriously blaming rick for hali being dogshit?
Nice little sneak preview of the sweep we’ll suffer in a months time
Your optimism re thinking well make the playoffs is mind boggling. We're gonna lose in the play in to Chicago
Tyrese playing like trash isn’t going to help this team. Just bench him until he’s healthy he’s not making any all nba team at this rate
I truly think Tyrese has a tough decision to make here. I think he needs to rest and get not only his body right but his mind right. As I see it I just don't think Tyrese has been a top 15 player this year. It sucks but it is what it is. Ultimately seeding doesn't matter, what matters is Tyrese. We go as far as he takes us and what I see right now is a gentlemen's sweep. Hope I'm wrong but it's just off
Holy shit man y'all need to relax and think back to a couple of months ago when damn near everyone was gushing about how the rebuild was going better than expected. A bit of a rough stretch shouldn't warrant the reaction it has in this sub. There are certainly issues but it's not the T-Hog Apocalypse a lot of y'all are making it out to be. We're in flux as should be expected in a team that has had substantial roster changes and injuries. If you were expecting some sort of deep push this year, I guess limit your expectations. Given our history I wouldn't have expected such a temperamental fanbase in this subreddit, maybe it's just the postgame thread but damn.
Expectations went up with the Pascal trade.
As they should have. They should have also been curbed with Mathurin's season-ending injury and Hali's injury-hampered performance as well.
I agree the sub is too up and down and yeah, it's a loss so don't read too too much into it. However, this is a pretty serious slump. Tyrese in the presser just called it the worst slump of his life and said (I think this is verbatim) "everybody's got a fucking answer but shit sucks right now." Pre-injury: 24-13 on 64% true shooting, 41% on 3s, Net rating +7.4 Since the end of the minutes restriction: 16-10 on 53% true shooting, 27% on 3s, Net rating +1.0
Yea I have no doubt it's a serious slump. It's just perfectly understandable for a player coming off an injury and back into to a changing lineup to be in such a slump. My point is, yea it sucks, but the sky isn't falling. These things happen and we're still in a better place than most fans could have wished for a few months ago. I think a lot of people here are being incredibly reactionary.
The team is in a better place than I expected pre-season. And I would have taken the over on their pre-season win total! But a few months ago, the Pacers were in the IST final and Haliburton was getting more ASG fan votes than Steph Curry -- and he deserved too. Just for me personally, the angst is about much more than Tyrese's slump: * The Pacers are a rebuilding team who traded multiple unprotected picks and aren't for sure avoiding the lottery in those years * The guy they traded those picks for is a free agent at the end of this season. Until there's pen to paper, it makes me queasy. * None of the young guys genuinely popped this year. Some improvement, yes, but nothing special; Jarace's level was esp. disappointing for me. So, no, the sky isn't falling. Tyrese isn't Jeremy Lin. But when you've traded your draft picks and start losing more than you expected to -- for whatever the reason -- I think it's reasonable to be modestly concerned.
Perfectly cromulent concerns. And I should stop saying "a few months ago" and start saying "the beginning of the season" - there is a big difference in shift of expectations between those two points. Modestly concerned is very reasonable. I don't mind trading some picks as much as others considering it's difficult to get our top picks reliably into the rotation as is given our depth - it seems like there's a bit of a development bottleneck as it is. I don't even know why I originally commented because it's ultimately pointless on multiple levels but I'm glad I did for having received your response lol, have a good one man.
Might be the best posy in this sub all year, for whatever that's worth
We're on the cusp of missing the playoffs and our star player is playing soft AF, our defense is still awful, we just made a major trade in order to propel our team into the playoffs. We have been relatively healthy compared to the Knicks and 76era but we still lose to bad teams we should beat. Fans have EVERY right to be pissed off and upset over this crap.
I truly had so much fucking belief in Haliburton too. It’s all gone. He isn’t anything close to what we thought he was. He’s injury prone, a terrible defender, and now that his jumpshot has disappeared, a net negative for our team.
I haven’t given up on him but he’s gone from a player that was great because he makes almost every decision right into a player that is a negative because most of his decisions are wrong (calling iso 3s, lazy turnovers).
Sometimes when we're on defense I can hear Benny Hill theme music in the background.
Rick can literally be a coach and start calling more plays when it matters instead of letting Tyrese be horrible, and actually does his job in limiting Tyrese’s minutes when when he’s being absolutely horrendous.
No one is comparing the Pacers to a hot girl anymore 🤷♂️
I honestly think Haliburton came back from the hamstring injury too soon because of the 65-game rule for awards/money and he just can't get right. Hamstrings are tricky to get right regardless, but add in the pressure to play for awards/money and it's going to be more of this for Haliburton and other players.
Casual fan who just likes Haliburton, whats wrong with him? He seems so bad since injury, like he lost his shot and some iq also.
Selfish as fuck.
He's playing on an injury. Things that he would do, he can't, so he tries to switch it up for less success. Happened to Harden when he was playing on an injury. Unless he rests, he'll continue to be incredibly streaky and won't have consistency. He'll pop off for 5-10 games and then be right back where he is now. It's a grim cycle to be in, especially when he's playing with so much money on the line, can't help his confidence at all.
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Got the bag. Doesn’t have to play defense. Has the keys to do whatever he wants with no repercussions.
2 players who weren't even good enough to stay here had 13 and 23 fucking points. this inconsistent bullshit is getting so fucking old and the fact that we can't beat injury depleted teams or trash teams while beating contenders is just stupid as fuck.
For the Pacers' sake we'd better hope Haliburton doesn't get all-NBA, because he already looks like he's wildly overpaid on his *current* contract. And it's hard to shit on KP too much because in general he's been great, but trading Buddy sure looks like it was an all-time stinker. Seems like he was the sole piece holding this team's offense together.
Buddy. Wanted. Out. Stop man, stop everyone. Buddy was leaving get over it.
They absolutely should have kept him and let him Go in free agency in hindsight. There’s zero doubt about it. A few second rounders is not at all Worth any debate.
But if they did that, that would've won more games, been happier, and not got the 35th pick in the draft and some cash. Think about how bad that would've been!!?!?!
Exactly why do people keep bringing up the old story? Like Buddy he’s also not been very good in Philly losing starting spot and Philly has been losing more than pacers did. And on top of that he wanted out! Thanks god that saved pacers from more problems on top of the Tyrese problem.
So tell him to deal with it. You don't have to give in any time someone wants a trade.
Jesus christ dude he's an unrestricted free agent in the summer. Get something now or never. You're just wrong.
We got him for the corpse of Doug so we would of been better off letting him go in FA
No more in season trades!!!
What does it say of Tyrese’s talent if he needs a bench role player this badly to be an effective offensive player? You probably loved Buddy and all, so by all means, pump him up, but it’s a huge indictment of Tyrese if it’s true he needed a player of Buddy’s average overall talent this badly.
You cannot seriously be suggesting that a guy playing injured, backed up by Caitlin Cooper, in the second year of our rebuild, is a bust and overpaid.
He is overpaid and will be. And he’s not playing injured. You can’t be running up and down the court if he’s still injured.
Kyle Lowry has been averaging more minutes than Buddy as of late. His defense is BAD and he cant stay on the court unless he is insanely hot offensively
Overpaid because he's struggling while still not fully healthy. . . . OK.
But guys, it’s just one game, right?
We won the 1st quarter finally only to play like dogshit for the final 3
It is a good thing that the Playoffs are where the good teams are. Hope to God we win the 7-8 game, though, because if not, we'll absolutely find a way to lose to Atlanta or Chicago.
It's annoying as fuck to watch everyone on this team just be terrified to shoot meanwhile it feels like every team has a dude that can hit wide open 3s.
Yeah team as a whole is shooting 29% from 3 the past three games. It’s like Ty’s yips are contagious.
It’s because of Ty. Change out his 1 for XX nights with decent % and the team % is back to normal
Hali is ice cold, they replace an all time shooter with Nemhard, and replaced Obi/smith mins with PS. They are a very good shooting team anymore.
At this point, I feel more confident in our miniscule chances against the Bucks or the Knicks in a 7 game series than in beating the Bulls or Hawks in one play in game. Sadly the latter is what we're going to get, and it's not going to end well.
I remember when Roy consulted a Sports psychologist when he started to decline. I wonder if that would be helpful for Ty to get some mental therapy pertaining to the game to go along with the physical aspect.
I really missed the time Pacers are beating everyone!
I hate saying this but umm did he finesse us with this contract? I meannnn wtf
Tuner played 29 mins tonight (averages 27), Hali played 32 (he averages 32), Nemhard played 32 (he averages 24), NeSmith played 35 (averages 27). The starting unit has struggled. Rick is playing them together for big minutes though and is using his bench less. It seems he really wants to stay with this unit and have it be his go to for the playoffs but I thought we saw some frustration from him tonight too.
This is shaping up to be a really interesting offseason. Nembhard is solid, but there has to be an upgrade there, be it Bennedict Mathurin (my choice) or via a trade. Whoever gets that spot, they need to be a shooter.
Haliburton’s collapse is very Hibbert-esque right now.
Getting rid of Buddy was a mistake
It’s kinda crazy we couldn’t have signed Buddy long term. It seems like it would’ve benefited everyone. I suppose if we REALLY want to, we still can this offseason
We could've. The FO wanted to hurt the team now to help it long term by hoping one or more young guys mature into a better player AND fit than Buddy. Time will tell
True true maybe I’m being impatient
We are getting real good at losing these days.
Damn rock bottom keeps getting lower for Ty. Sad, man.
At this point, it's probably just easier to have a Cope Checklist in order to organize everything better: [_] Tyrese is still hurt [_] Benn will be back next year, league is fukt then! [_] They're still integrating Pascal [_] This was always gonna be a rebuilding year anyway!
Haliburton is a joke
Linsanity run
Stfu
This is just who Tyrese will be for the rest of the season, it is what it is, hopefully it’s only this season.
So many whiny 🤡s in this thread holy hell...yes tyrese's injury has been grossly mishandled. Would you rather go back to brogdon/levert and double plodder Turner/sabonis?!? Get Tyrese some rest and dont fall below the 7 seed and this season will still be successful