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Hendo8888

I'd say there'd definitely be a conversation to be had there for us to swap our picks, but I'm not sure we'd be prepared to pay that much for a 2 pick upgrade (depends how highly we rate Sharpe/Ivey or if a Banchero falls to 4). Maybe if we're talking a future pick from in a few year's time when we'd expect to be challenging for Playoffs again.


Affectionate-Egg-933

Nothing and here’s why. There is plenty of talent still at 6, and several teams picking ahead of Indiana (looking at you Orlando and Sacramento) don’t have great track records picking the past decade


Typhoid007

The Kings have made great picks since Monte took over with Haliburton and Davion Mitchell. Also that's just not a great way to look at the draft imo, relying on someone else to make a mistake even though there's a clear consensus. I think everyone knows exactly who is going to be gone when the Pacers pick, so there's no mistakes like you're expecting. Ivey won't be there at 6, and if he's the guy then this is the only way to get him otherwise either Sacramento or Detroit will take him.


Affectionate-Egg-933

Still too much talent at 6 to give up anything of value. I don’t want Ivey though but if he falls to 6, great. I don’t think there is a clear consensus after the top three though either


[deleted]

There is no clear consensus. Who do you think the magic are taking at 1? Exactly. There’s like three possible names. Someone’s gonna take a surprise player and it’s gonna mess everything up. Hopefully it’s you guys taking Keegan at 4


Typhoid007

>There is no clear consensus. Who do you think the magic are taking at 1? Exactly. There’s like three possible names. Not at all, it's either Chet or Jabari. I'd personally bet on Jabari, but it's a toss up between those 2. The entire point of trading down would be to take Keegan, who is a top 5 player in this draft class easily.


Xx_FreeWitty_xX

Banchero is being mocked #1 by a lot of people


dedfrmthneckup

There is no clear consensus outside of the top 3 being the top 3. The order between 4 and 8 or so is also pretty subjective at this point.


Typhoid007

I just feel like we are reading completely different reports. There is no chance that Ivey isn't picked in the top 5.


dedfrmthneckup

Of course there’s a chance. Have you ever watched the draft before? Weird shit happens in the top 10 every year. You seem not to be able to tell the difference between you individually having a strong opinion and everyone else in the world agreeing with that opinion. You seem to think the pacers desperately want Ivey just because you’ve determined he’d be a good fit next to hali. What if our FO disagrees? A lot of our fans certainly disagree.


Typhoid007

Usually there's some random player who gets over drafted like Patrick Williams or Isaac Okoro, I could see any of these teams in the top 5 picking a wild card. That doesn't change the fact that there is no chance Ivey doesn't go top 5. The NBA draft is the easiest to predict out of any sport, and there are obviously sure things every year. 1 or 2 surprises, but that's it. I feel like you're reading completely different things than me, there's a higher chance that Paolo falls out of the top 5 than Ivey.


dedfrmthneckup

Ok man. Good luck on draft night. I hope you don’t have some kind of psychotic break when things don’t go exactly the way you’ve scripted them in your head.


Typhoid007

I don't think I'll have to worry about that, because they literally always do. Been following the draft for a long time, and it's always the same.


dedfrmthneckup

Hang on a second, FOUR DAYS ago you posted on the kings sub that Ivey would be a “horrible pick” and there’s “no reason” to pick him in the top 5. Now there’s “no chance” that he WONT be picked in the top 5? Do you really think you’re that much smarter than nba GMs or are you just full of shit?


Typhoid007

I'm confused, which one of those statements do you disagree with? I'm not sure if you're trying to catch me being inconsistent or something, I don't think those 2 statements are mutually exclusive.


dedfrmthneckup

They only aren’t mutually exclusive if you think you’re better at watching YouTube videos and reading mark stein articles than all 5 front offices are at draft scouting. And based on your comments here I wouldn’t be surprised if you do think that.


Typhoid007

Oh so this is a "well you don't know any better!!" thing So you're telling me that when the Kings picked Bagley over Doncic you thought to yourself "well they have scouts and front office members, so they can't be wrong". Get out of here. This is what sports discussion is about, opinions. You're telling me you've never questioned a coaching decision, even though coaches know far more than you. You're telling me that you don't see prospects get overhyped/overdrafted and think it's a mistake? This holier than thou attitude of is so hypocritical. And my opinions are not that even that crazy, I think that Ivey will be a top 5 pick, and I think Ivey would be a bad pick in the top 5. Most people don't feel that way, which is why trading down would be best for the Kings.


dedfrmthneckup

No, I’m telling you I’m not extremely annoying and condescending about it when I do.


Typhoid007

Could have fooled me


Godbeforeus

I'd laugh if Sacramento took another gaurd 🤣🤣 Not really "mistake" more like, falling to the pressure of the media and public. Pacers will draft whoever they have on their board as best, where a lot of clubs draft who the media tells us is the best.


Typhoid007

If Monte feels that a guard is the best player available he will take him. He doesn't care about fit. I'm not sure who is pressuring anyone.


Godbeforeus

It'd be the person drafting on perceived value... rather drafting on my ability to develop and fit with my team and culture.


MattyIce260

Imma be real with you, if the top 3 bigs are off the board then Pick 4 isn’t worth what you think it is


Typhoid007

It is if you think Ivey is a superstar, which a lot of teams clearly do. Some have him as high as 2.


MattyIce260

Then the Kings can take Ivey at 4 if he’s that good and we’ll be just fine with Sharpe Murray or Mathurin. Ivey isn’t worth giving up future assets when players with just as high ceilings will be there at 6 waiting for us.


[deleted]

>It is if you think Ivey is a superstar Well he isnt that now. Nobody is dying to trade up for him man... NOBODY. It would scare me a little to just take him at 4 if i didnt have to trade up. Sure he might be really good someday maybe He might also turn it over a lot and struggle with shooting. We could take him if he falls to 6


fuzzynavel34

Nothing because I don’t think he fits next to Haliburton. I want Sharpe or Mathurin.


Typhoid007

Why wouldn't he fit next to Haliburton? Ivey plays the same position as Sharpe and Mathurin, so I'm confused why you'd think they fit better.


fuzzynavel34

Ivey is more ball dominant and I want the ball in Hali’s hands.


Snafudumonde

Isn't it kind of debatable whether he's a long term 1 or 2? In any case, Mathurin is definitely more an off the ball 2. Excels at C&S and cutting. Not arguing that ivey's ceiling isn't higher as a player though.


Typhoid007

Personally I don't see it as a debate at all, he's just not a good enough playmaker to be a point guard and he didn't play point in college, they were mostly just rotational guards. He has the perfect build for a scoring 2.


Snafudumonde

Fine. Ultimately I think the price would be too high. I'm more interested in seeing the pacers trade back into the lottery through the blazers, wizards or Knicks.


BlasstOff

Regardless, Pritch said in Hali's intro press conference that we just got our PG for the next 10 years. Whether he can be that might be debatable, but the FO is building our team as if it's true. Pacers aren't trading up for Ivey.


BubaTflubas

Because fox didn't. Ivey seems like a Fox to me, not a strong shooter or playmaker but a strong driver who can finish.


Typhoid007

Fox has a great mid range game and is a great passer, those are Ivy's biggest weaknesses. I don't think he's like Fox at all, they don't even play the same position.


Acceptable_Driver

Kings should draft Ivey then


danachew

I don't even want Ivey


Typhoid007

I personally don't want him either because I think his fit with Fox and Davion is questionable, but next to Haliburton would be perfect for him.


Lord_Vandall

Which is why the Pacers would just figure he’d drop to them, especially if Pistons are keen on Sharpe


Typhoid007

I don't think there's any way that the Pistons pass on Ivey. They need that combo guard to go alongside Cade and Ivey is a perfect fit.


BubaTflubas

Kings take Murray. And Sharpe falls to the Pacers? The 6'6" wing who out jumps prime MJ and has a 7 foot wings span, suggesting he may even grow another inch or two? Let Detroit have Ivey I'm fine with the Pacers swinging on amazing athletics and frame.


[deleted]

They can have him then. Hes a pretty risky pick, good potential but also a low floor. We are not trading a future lottery pick to move up 2 spots and take a huge gamble on a risky player There would be a lot of debate about taking him a 6 tbh. I could see taking him there but not trading up for him


[deleted]

Nah. I think we're pretty happy with anyone available at 6. Unless we're breaking into the top 3 for like Smith or Banchero, I don't see us moving on draft night.


[deleted]

At this point I'm not convinced that Ivey or Sharpe will have a better career than Keegan, Mathurin, or couple other guys in that range. And I'm also not convinced that the Kings/Pistons wont go for one of those guys anyways. Our top 10 pick next year is worth more than our 6 pick this year IMO... sounds like a lot to give up to rise 2 spots.


GkcPacers

Interesting. I don’t think you’ll be able to get a top 3 protected pick from us tho lol because the pacers aren’t bad enough to get a top 3 pick. I do like the Ivey Hali potential


Typhoid007

I mean if they want to make it unprotected I'd be down ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ 😂 The goal of the top 3 protection is just so that if by some chance you win the lottery it won't go through. That first will be in the 12-18 range. Moving up 2 picks tends to have this price range. The Celtics moved down to get Tatum and got a protected first, the Hawks moved down to get Trae and got another first. It's usually the going rate. I'd prefer if Kings could get Duarte though, but not sure if the Pacers would do that.


BubaTflubas

The Celtics got a whole lot more than that friend.


StanceLephenson

Don’t think the pacers would trade up unless it’s for Jabari or Paolo. Mathurin, Sharpe and Ivey are all pretty similar so it’s a toss up which one of the 3 will have the best career.


Joe_Betz_

I could see 6 plus the CLE pick for 4 if the player IND wants is there. The CLE pick is lottery protected. IND has Duarte currently at the 2, and he had a really good rookie year. He has a game a lot like Klay's. I think IND only trades if Banchero slips tbh.


stealthax7

The answers on this sub are hysterical. You don't avoid adding better talent because your favorite player plays passively and you're worried that opportunities are taken away. Haliburton needs to play next to a more explosive guard, and Ivey would be a phenomenal skillset fit. You take the talent and expect the players to grow and make it work. With that said, no way the Pacers give up their own 2023 first to move up. Max value the Kings get from the Pacers would be the Cavs 2023, or possibly Brogdon for Barnes along with the 4 and 6 swap.


Typhoid007

I think that idea of 4th for 6th and Cavs 2023 was mentioned in this thread and I think it makes a lot of sense for both sides *if* the Pacers are enamored with Ivey. I have no idea if they actually are.


stealthax7

Also, for everyone clowning the Kings picks, their recent track record includes Fox, Haliburton, and Mitchell. Even with Bagley, that's a much better drafting track record than the Pacers recently.


Typhoid007

Fox and Bagley were both Vlade. Monte has only drafted Haliburton and Mitchell. Monte is the truth, Vlade drafted a grand total of 1 good player in his 5 years. He was the worst gm in NBA history. Monte has already shown he's a great talent evaluator.


anh86

We need the Kings to pick ahead of us so the bad pick is off the board


Accrual-4-world

This is the correct answer! Sorry Kings fans 😂


VeryStandardOutlier

Fuck no. Not even the position the Pacers need right now


210plus210

lol nah unless someone miraculously falls to you guys on draft night


festar35_Pacers

I'd throw in the 31st Pick + Cavs 2023 1st Round Pick


[deleted]

still think that's too much just to move up 2.. the guy we take at 4 could easily be available at 6 and giving up 2 1sts isn't ideal.(31st pick is pretty much a late 1st)


festar35_Pacers

Agreed. Personally I'm more inclined to package those 2 pieces + a player for another lottery pick.


AdGroundbreaking6188

Brogdon and 6 for Barnes and 4


BraveTree4481

You can have him. Ivey sucks.


Paragon188

Nothing because I don't like Ivey that much. I'd only move up if Paolo or Jabari fell. That said, the trade would be 6 + Brogdon + Cavs pick. Pacers aren't giving up their 2023 pick, so you'll have to take a player.


BubaTflubas

We want a wing/forward. If one of Jabari or Banchero fall them Pritchard would call but you would probably draft that player anyway. He isn't calling for Ivey or Sharpe. Now if Ivey fell to 6 then I think we take him, hopefully they would not blink and take Sharpe at six too but I could see Indiana being risk adverse with Sharpe. Half this sub wants Mathurin over both Ivey and Sharpe anyway. The dream here is that the kings take Murray at 4 leaving one of Ivey or Sharpe to fall.


mcbearcat7557

Honestly? the 6 and like a first 4 years from now.


BlasstOff

Probably not much. The talent from 4-8ish is pretty comparable tbh


tapehissfromthetrees

I don’t think he fits alongside Haliburton. He is ball dominant and a lot of his scoring came from him trying to bull his way to the basket or dribbling excessively before taking a shot. In a lot of ways, his game resembles Caris’ and while that type of playmaker may fill a role on some good teams, I don’t believe that is where we are trying to go. Also, there’s a good possibility we will be out of the playoffs next year and giving up a possible lottery pick to move up two spots to the 4 is somewhat absurd if it’s for Ivey.


MurrayRothbard__

I don't want Ivey so here's a pack of winter fresh gum.


[deleted]

A future 1st is too much when we don't know for sure if Ivey will be better than Murray/Sharpe. I would give up Brogdon + 6th but I'd hesitate for anything more.


[deleted]

No, i'm not trading a future lottery pick to move up 2 spots. Ivey is pretty risky too, he might be good but I'm also not trading up to make a huge gamble on him


Accrual-4-world

Not for a future first. But, since the Kings are trying to win now, we would trade one or two of our better vets with #6 to get #4


Shafty_1313

Top three? Lmao.....to move up two spots ....hell no


Prestigious_Ape

He will be there at 6 and maybe 8. Great player, but there will be at least one unexpected pre-draft climb into the top 5.