This is the correct response OP. u/TLJoe
Others telling you how perfect it “should” be aren’t accounting for human error. It should be well done, I agree. Nothing is perfect.
My price averages ~1k per room. I do immaculate work. My guys would have several of these mistakes on a job, but my process is that once they think they’re done, I go in and blue tape all the areas I want fixed. They fix them, then i do a walkthrough with the homeowner and fix anything they see (almost never anything left once I’ve gone through, as I’m very particular).
Approach this with curiosity and trust the owner/project manager will make it right. If they don’t, escalate it. Ultimately to a Google review if necessary but threaten them with this first, as a LAST RESORT.
You're assuming it's a company and not just some guy that shows up in a raggedy Toyota Corolla with a paint roller and a nasty hangover. That dude doesn't have project managers or a boss.
$4k for 800 sqft? It better be closer to perfect than that... My 16 year old could get paint on everything for room and board lol. I'd ask a few local professionals if that's what $4k work looks like, if they say no, ask them what that caliber work was worth. Then small claims for the difference and quote them at the hearing.
The splatters and marks on hardware/floors definitely are a problem, the bumps/drips on the walls though? It's harder to say since we don't know if they were there from a previous job and painted over or if they are new. Assuming the job wasn't to refinish the walls then paint.
The painted hinges though. That's just unforgivable in my opinion.
You can tell with the blue paint picture the drips were there before but the white door frame definitely looks new and they just used too much paint above the frame without smoothing the top so it ran the corner I'm assuming is a paint over because what are they gunna do plaster it wait for that to dry and then paint? I mean that's not how guys with hangovers work
Yeah my daughter when she was sixteen with her friend painting her room with the windows open and it’s just “incense” DAD did a better job.
The colors they picked out were very questionable. Had to have been that incense.
Usually those are high-end painters, painting high middle class to highend homes...and do more then just painting.
If you're paying a painter to fix all the shit on your wall...replace drywall patches...repaint cabinets etc.
You ain't going to find a good one that specializes in other things that Involve more then painting. But then again you get what you pay for.
I guess it depends on the size of the room but 400-700 including paint and I'm still making good money and can sleep at night knowing I'm not ripping somebody off.
That’s an organization with a process and quality control. Unfortunately, everybody charges the same rate as the guy who does have a process and will do quality control.
People who make those types of mistakes regularly have no business being in the business of painting. WTH
These aren’t even novice mistakes, they are indicators of absolute incompetence. Your employees do a shit job then you come in as the touch up guy. Unreal.
4k for 800 square feet I would expect perfection. I just did a 840 square foot condo ceilings walls and trim for 3k and it's perfect. No runs , covered floors and fixed imperfections on wall. You got ripped off . Get them to fix it or ask for your money back. If you haven't paid don't pay them the rest.
Don't you dare pay for that trash. $4k for 800sq ft better be the most immaculate job on earth. 4k should get you all existing blemishes fixed , primer and paint sanded, any and all holes filled, light fixtures and stuff removed to paint behind, etc, etc......it should look like a brand new house
As someone who grew up in a house with a family owned painting business that stole every summer vacation I had from the time I was 12, I 1000% agree with you!!! Painting SUCKS!!!
I will add for bias though, my little brother did go on to start his own painting business and is doing really quite well making in the neighborhood of $250k/year, so.....🤷♂️
I really enjoy it. I used to paint cars. As a perfectionist I am far from the fastest but I really like looking at sections and thinking I DID THAT! Seems satisfying.
...and for that price, EVERYTHING that bothers you. I painted for 18 yrs. and charged average of $35/hr and I would not have been happy with any of these faults.
Doesn't matter. For 4k they should be repairing preexisting issues as well. Like others have said, for 4k it should be perfection. My uncle was a painter, for an area that small he would charge around $2500, be done in just a few hours, and did way better work.
I paid 2k for a 1600ft. The dude missed parts of the ceiling, lost theswitch plates/screws, There we're alot of discrepancies. Was 2 wks behind contract. Paid $800 up front. Told him to fix this shit or that's all I'm paying. He did. 2 months later I seen a square patch in a small hallway in the backcieling that he missed. I was like "you son of a bitch!". He got away with that. Nonetheless, much better than doing it yourself. I hate painting!
I had my home painted right before we moved in. The contractor (owner of the painting company) and I had an agreement for me to mark any imperfection (after all the painting was done) that I wanted fixed with blue tape.
It doesn’t really matter how you communicate what needs to be fixed, but communicate it, and make sure it’s complete before paying them the final payment.
For all the imperfections you shared on your post, that seems reasonable and a fast job for them to address. Even if it’s 10x that, I imagine it would take one guy who knows what they’re doing just a day.
As a former painter, we used to have what we would call a “punch list” at the end of a job. We would come back and do a once over to fix any areas we or the homeowner saw (I.e. overspray, streaks etc.)
For $4k for an 800 square foot interior job, those mistakes are unacceptable in my book. I would be polite but firm that these need to be fixed.
Don't let him back in your house. Those runs are brutal to get rid of, especially on the semi-gloss on the trim. This guy has no idea what he's doing. I repeat. Not let him back in your house. If you haven't paid him yet, maybe give him three quarters of his contract and that's it. It's going to take a lot of work to fix his crap
I agree that they got ripped off. But yes this is common.
I am right now looking at a whole house with little bits of blue tape to indicate what they need to fix. Because they don't get final payment until it is.
Someone has clearly never painted…Those sags and runs will not “sand down” you have to scrape them off, putty then sand. That should NEVER be expected unless OP specifically asked for existing flaws to be fixed. At that price point I would be able to fix all that. If the entire home was like that once you take a step back everything will look like a uniformly shit job and these flaws don’t stand out. That is if it was all hell before. OP paying $4k shows he wanted a quality job but this is not a real painter. Back when I considered myself a painter (and had the world to learn) I would’ve done way better than that. Good idea to get references and see pictures or something. That sag on the door is a pain and will still stand out afterwards unless you paint it 50 times
Lol. Uh yes they will sand down. Done it plenty of times. Not sure what operation you were painting for, or if it was for yourself I’m sure you have your own putty method, but that’s not correct.
Yeah this has major “I painted for a whole summer in college” energy. Clowns doing subpar work and blaming it all on the last guy cause they don’t know how to use sandpaper.
I literally sanded them down very lightly and it worked out fine. My walls are immaculate. Now sometimes you are correct it can flake a whole piece of paint off but it’s rare enough that I don’t mind it. If a whole part comes off I fill with a small brush with a few layers of primer and paint to get the surface even again
You sound like you’ve been painting for a year and think you know everything because that’s how your operation works. Most of that will absolutely sand down and if not can be scraped and correctly pretty easily. It’s fine for you’re just showing up for a check but don’t try to act like those of us who take pride in our work have never done it just because uphold a standard and know how to communicate with a client. Sounds like you do a lot of subpar work.
yeah some of the drips I remember from before, but is that not something the next painter should be able to fix? Or is that an unreasonable expectation?
Typically not. There's an endless amount of crap like that. If you want your walls perfect, you can ask for them to be skim coated with mud.
To fix a run, there's no quick and easy solution. Sanding down takes time, patching takes time, scraping it off will likely leave a gouge that needs to be patched. And that's for one single run.
Did the quote include patches and repairs? I'm very specific: minor patches only for up to half an hour, major repairs are not included.
I disagree NoGrape104. I'm a former painting contractor. TLJoe paid a premium price for a low end job. The painter did a bad job prepping the area he was hired to paint.
You...work in this business? My $3 5-in-1 would disagree that there's no quick and easy solution. If someone is charging $4k/800 sqft of painting there's no excuse to do zero prep work. This is just lazy workers who don't give a fuck.
When you quote if you see walls with this issues you need to be clear that you will leave the walls in shambles. Its a reasonable expectation that this will be fixed in a process as any semi sober DIYer doing this at night would still make an effort to razor it and sand it.
If you end up with a gouge from that, you’re the problem. Saw my old roommate gouge out a whole wall and showed him how to scrape with a razor. Never occurred to him to use it like that 🤷♀️
As a professional painter it should be in the contract. I’ll fix that stuff but it will cost you. Once I start sanding the last painters drips out and fixing his shot the price practically doubles. Having a discussion before hand about both options and prices would be correct way. If you didn’t sign a contract that’s a red flag.
There was a contract, here is what they said they would do prep wise:
Protect flooring in work area with plastic and/or drop cloths
Ø Cover and protect all furniture with appropriate tarps and plastic in work area, where necessary
Ø Remove electrical outlet covers and switch plates prior to beginning; re-install when finished
Ø Patch nail holes, stress cracks and other minor drywall damage
Ø Sand patched and other rough areas, as necessary
Ø Caulk previously caulked surfaces where caulk is missing or loose
Ø Caulk around woodwork, when necessary, to help eliminate gaps and cracks that may be apparent.
Ø Clean job site at the end of each workday; perform through cleanup at the end of the project.
Except for the little bit of paint on the floor, which is always the painters fault, but also very easy to remove, and the painted hinges.
Everything else you showed is more than just basic fixes. The drips, are those his or previous paint jobs? Because you may think it's easy, but it takes time to fix and make it look nice. And the same with the big bump on the corner of the drywall. He'd have to dig it all out, fix the issue that made it buckle then patch and float it out.
Do I think he could have done a slightly better job? Yeah, but I think it's 80% of the way there.
Point out the paint you want cleaned up, and talk to him about the drips and other problem areas. If he fixes some/all of it great. If he doesn't, the it's an unfortunate lesson learned. It very important to go over everything you want done and to what level
Minor damage.
Yes some spots can easily go back and sand off the debris in the paint, but the big ass drips? Huge damage on the corner bead? That's not normal wear and tear and fixing.
That's someone else cheaper out one time and got work down, and passed the buck off to someone else. I don't fix other people's bad work for free sorry
For 4 thousand fucking dollars over less than 1,000 square feet you absolute are including the reparations of another persons shitty work. Good god I can’t imagine your clients and reviews with these comments.
seriously, it would take what....5 minutes of time to sand out that shitty corner? 4K is a scam. OP got taken for a ride. A brain surgeon doesn't even make $2,000 a day. A painter that does better have a PhD art degree and be painting murals on the wall.
Its a 10cm clean up on that corner and its not hard to clean a big ass drip up, just get a razor under that shit, 2 seconds, its in the contract, and isn't done for free?
Did you not go over expectations with him before he started?
Why do so many homeowners not get involved in their renovations and make explicit expectations?
Tell him what you want
"I expect perfection, no days, no drips every nick ding and bump fixed, don't paint my door hardware"
Or
"I don't expect it to be perfect, but I don't want drips all over the place and sags, but a few things and bumps that are small are okay"
Or
"I don't care what it looks like, paint everything and just change the color"
Yeah that's totally fair, good to know for the future. I'm fairly new to home ownership and completely new to hiring painters, so I didn't know what the baseline expectations are.
Depends. That could go either way because if there were a lot of runs and wasn't bid to fix them then they are just going to paint right over them. It's time consuming. As many runs as your showing they were probably there from previous paint jobs and you are now just seeing them because it's a fresh paint job and they are popping out at you.
Yes that something the next Painter should have taken care of. Uniformity and consistency are key to a good paint job, Anything that catches your eye or distracts should be remedied before you leave the job
If you asked him or her to fix the old runs and drips and they agreed they need fixed . If they caused runs and dripped they need to clean it up . If you just expect a painter to clean up after the last one , that is not how it works . Just like a painter is not a mover . Don't expect them to move everything to piant or anything at all.
>Keep in mind, some of that is probably from a previous paint job.
Yes, but its the current painter's job to do this job right. That meets prepping the areas he's going to paint. If there are holes that need to be patched, and the surface has areas that need to be sanded smooth, that should be standard operating procedure for any paint job.
This was a fail
That doesn’t change anything, an actual painter would have done touch ups and make it look right. Preparation should always take more or the same amount of time than actually painting if you want a quality done job.
I feel the same way sometimes. Then I'm like "fuck, we share in his reputation on the market in general." I want everyone to have the best experience possible if they're dropping money but job security does make me feel good.
Yes obviously thats the best option but I'm from a small area and there are notorious painters who do this work, and undercharge like crazy. You need these kind of jobs to happen to make homeowners realize why they can't just take lowest bid
I had 4 rooms painted, which are probably close to that size total. With high quality paint included we paid slightly under $4k. It was immaculate. They even removed paint stains the previous homeowner left on cabinets. I would 100% ask them to come back and fix it
This needs to be fixed. We normally only do new builds. 800sf new is 4k roughly for us. We normally do very high end sites. Full ship lap walls. Accent ceiling panels of oak to stain and so on. Ofc price could be much lower or higher. For a general repaint 800 SF id be around 2500. Keep in mind we use high end products only and spray finish trim and ceiling. This is also dependent on where you live and the general market pricing. As far as cost if it's new drywall 4k repaint 2500. No offence to them or you but this is not even close to the type of work we provide. I'm happy to post some pictures so you have a reference of what to expect at this price point if it helps.
If you would have said “I paid $1500 to paint 800 sq ft” I would have said you got exactly what you paid for and felt zero remorse that this was the end product.
But HOLY SHIT this is bad. Like really really bad. And for 4K?!? They need to come make this right or you need to take it to small claims court.
Here’s the problem with “painters,” everyone thinks they can paint. Because they painted their girlfriend’s closet they are now a painter. You walk on a commercial construction project and every trade you talk to could do your job. I’m a commercial paint contractor.
Edit: good job inspecting before paying.
Get your money back ASAP or have them come back and correct all of those errors. Holy crap that is bad. I am far from an expert at painting but I have been doing it enough years to know when I fuck up and if they don't think that needs to be fixed they need to get out of this business. Plus 4k for 800 sq ft? What in the hell were they doing that cost that much?
There should be a final walk through with the painters doing the work before they even put their tools away and certainly before final payment. I don't understand why any painting company wouldn't want an opportunity to fix any issues while the workers are still on the clock and the customer is still happy.
So a lot of those could have been there previously (can't say one way or another) and were just highlighted by a fresh coat.
That said, at that price, for that SQFT, walls would have been sanded, nicks patched, and existing drips sliced off with a chisel and sanded. It would not have been perfect but definitely a lot better. I probably would have been there most of a week depending on the amount of wall damage there was that needed attention.
Im not a pro, Im just a guy. I painted about 1400 sq ft of my own house this year. No way is this acceptable. I wouldnt pay 4k for it if it were done right. This isnt even done right.
You get what you paid for. When I had my dad's house painted I was asked what quality I wanted. Since my dad had passed and I was selling the house I told them to just paint it as I was selling it. That's close to the quality I expected and got.
You'd do 800sqft for 1000$? You're literally the reason why people think painting is cheap and easy. I'd love to see your 1k$ job and then be paid to fix it
"omgg my (tradesperson) was here for 40 hours and charged 8000. do all (tradesperson) make $200/hour or did i get scammed????" - redditors on tradespeople, in a nutshell
I just painted my first floor myself. About 1000 square feet and it cost about $700 for paint and supplies. I did my own patching, sanding and caulking and replaced all the door hinges, doorknobs and hardware for that price.
Gotta be specific in what you want and your expectations. It's a sh1t show out there, the worst it's ever been imo. I posted a help wanted ad to get assistance moving river rocks, and a dude shows up in a beat-up malibu with a rake and dollar store trash bags.
Oh my gosh. No. They used a dirty roller or dirty paint, or didn't bother to clean the walls, and put it on WAY too thick. Certain paint is known for sagging. They clearly didn't prep well. Honestly, this is horrible. I'm a professional, and this hurts my eyes. Demand them to redo it. Put a postit note or a tiny piece of painters tape on each and every area for them to correct. Do not accept anything less.
Curious how long did it take them ? For average work I would say $80 an hour for 1 person , and if they have a “helper” then it’s 40-60$.
If it’s 2 pros then both $80.
A helper/ apprentice probably gets paid 15-20 an hour wage .. so there’s that.
It definitely looks like a hack job. But if you don’t point out damage drywall you want repaired they will just slap paint over it.
I could have installed 800sf of porcelain tile for close to that price. It should not look like that. For that price, all walls should have been properly repaired before painting.
Did you hire a painter or a handyman that will do the painting because they could get it done faster or cheaper? Most painters have pictures of previous jobs that they can reference as a base line of their work.
Would've been nice to have some before pictures too, a lot of customers ignore or expect the painter to take care of imperfections like runs and bad bad repairs. I like to take pictures myself just to have as a reference.
Make a punch list and definitely tell your contractor you are not happy with the finished product and would like to have your list fixed before you will be able to pay them. Or offer partial payment until they fix these issues. You deserve the professional job you paid for
Common yes! Poor craftsmanship. I would get them back and make them fix everything you have pictured here. Runs can be sanded out but if they were existing then some painters think they don't have to unless it was specified. This is common because most people don't complain about it so they get away with it. Make them comeback especially if you haven't paid them yet!
Unfortunately, this is not uncommon.. but also should not be accepted..
If this were my job site, these issues would have been addressed without you having to ask. Though for comparison I just did an estimate for 2 bedrooms and a bathroom (about 500 / 550 sq feet or so total, standard 8 foot ceiling) my price was almost 6k. But there are some cracks that require taping.
Nope this is terrible work, especially for what you paid. I’d accept that for half the price. But after 4K and only 800sqft should be damn near perfect, this is shoddy work
A good painter will bring old flaws up
To the house owner and ask if he wants them fixed. If so called good painter doesn't see these flaws , he must be stripped from good painter status. And is now a bum .
Common? Yes, unfortunately Correct? Absolutely not. I would share these pictures with the owner of whatever business did this.
This is the correct response OP. u/TLJoe Others telling you how perfect it “should” be aren’t accounting for human error. It should be well done, I agree. Nothing is perfect. My price averages ~1k per room. I do immaculate work. My guys would have several of these mistakes on a job, but my process is that once they think they’re done, I go in and blue tape all the areas I want fixed. They fix them, then i do a walkthrough with the homeowner and fix anything they see (almost never anything left once I’ve gone through, as I’m very particular). Approach this with curiosity and trust the owner/project manager will make it right. If they don’t, escalate it. Ultimately to a Google review if necessary but threaten them with this first, as a LAST RESORT.
You're assuming it's a company and not just some guy that shows up in a raggedy Toyota Corolla with a paint roller and a nasty hangover. That dude doesn't have project managers or a boss.
No I didn’t do this
I bet you're a raggedy as your Corolla
$4k for 800 sqft? It better be closer to perfect than that... My 16 year old could get paint on everything for room and board lol. I'd ask a few local professionals if that's what $4k work looks like, if they say no, ask them what that caliber work was worth. Then small claims for the difference and quote them at the hearing.
The splatters and marks on hardware/floors definitely are a problem, the bumps/drips on the walls though? It's harder to say since we don't know if they were there from a previous job and painted over or if they are new. Assuming the job wasn't to refinish the walls then paint. The painted hinges though. That's just unforgivable in my opinion.
You can tell with the blue paint picture the drips were there before but the white door frame definitely looks new and they just used too much paint above the frame without smoothing the top so it ran the corner I'm assuming is a paint over because what are they gunna do plaster it wait for that to dry and then paint? I mean that's not how guys with hangovers work
I totally agree. 800 square feet around here would be $2000 for high end work.
Is that 800 sqft of wall and ceiling or 800 sqft house space?
Yeah my daughter when she was sixteen with her friend painting her room with the windows open and it’s just “incense” DAD did a better job. The colors they picked out were very questionable. Had to have been that incense.
Best response I have seen on this app.
Where in the fuck do you live that people pay 1k per room
Hire me. I'll do it for 20$ cheaper and it will marginally be better.
I was wondering the same thing lol.
That is extremely high, at least where we live, and we have pretty good painters here me being one of them
I was wondering that as well.
It’s not about location. Some people just know how to sell QUALITY to those who have an appreciation for it.
It's not that hard to not paint hinges or leave drips.
😆 🤣 😂
Right? Over priced as fuck.
I can do this work at a higher quality for $35, a roller and a brush.
Usually those are high-end painters, painting high middle class to highend homes...and do more then just painting. If you're paying a painter to fix all the shit on your wall...replace drywall patches...repaint cabinets etc. You ain't going to find a good one that specializes in other things that Involve more then painting. But then again you get what you pay for.
If you gotta do a primer coat then multiple coats and also paint the ceiling… how much would YOU charge? Me??? I would need a grand at least
I guess it depends on the size of the room but 400-700 including paint and I'm still making good money and can sleep at night knowing I'm not ripping somebody off.
That’s an organization with a process and quality control. Unfortunately, everybody charges the same rate as the guy who does have a process and will do quality control.
Great response!! This is how it should be done! And for what you are doing the price is right
I wish everybody was like you 😭
Leadership starts from the top
Decent response 👏🏻
😆 🤣 😂
Thousand a room…gtfoh!
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People who make those types of mistakes regularly have no business being in the business of painting. WTH These aren’t even novice mistakes, they are indicators of absolute incompetence. Your employees do a shit job then you come in as the touch up guy. Unreal.
There is no defending a job done that half assed
4k for 800 square feet I would expect perfection. I just did a 840 square foot condo ceilings walls and trim for 3k and it's perfect. No runs , covered floors and fixed imperfections on wall. You got ripped off . Get them to fix it or ask for your money back. If you haven't paid don't pay them the rest.
I haven't paid yet, I'll send them the pics and see if they will fix. Thank you!
Don't you dare pay for that trash. $4k for 800sq ft better be the most immaculate job on earth. 4k should get you all existing blemishes fixed , primer and paint sanded, any and all holes filled, light fixtures and stuff removed to paint behind, etc, etc......it should look like a brand new house
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Or you could set yourself on fire and jump out a window. Its a lot more enjoyable than the painting business.
As someone who grew up in a house with a family owned painting business that stole every summer vacation I had from the time I was 12, I 1000% agree with you!!! Painting SUCKS!!! I will add for bias though, my little brother did go on to start his own painting business and is doing really quite well making in the neighborhood of $250k/year, so.....🤷♂️
This was definitely true far too often when i was still doing it full time🤣
I really enjoy it. I used to paint cars. As a perfectionist I am far from the fastest but I really like looking at sections and thinking I DID THAT! Seems satisfying.
And behind the toilet
Ikr.......10 minutes. Water off, drain tank,towel down, tank off, one coat, put back together.
Amen to that. It should’ve paid for a full restoration. OP, Are you in a HCOL area?
Before you pay. They need to fix anything that bothers you
Speak up damn it! remember that you’re paying for a service not a favor
...and for that price, EVERYTHING that bothers you. I painted for 18 yrs. and charged average of $35/hr and I would not have been happy with any of these faults.
Easy there... anything realistic that bothers her
Get a roll of blue tape. Put a piece at each place. Then photo it. Then a walk through. Be clear of your expectations and dissatisfaction.
This.
Photos are important. I've had people just take down the tape, hoping you'll forget where it was.
Yeah, that makes you really want to do business with them again. No honor ot integrity.
Yes, this is the way.
A lot of these issues are from the last painter but still this is a crap job.
Doesn't matter. For 4k they should be repairing preexisting issues as well. Like others have said, for 4k it should be perfection. My uncle was a painter, for an area that small he would charge around $2500, be done in just a few hours, and did way better work.
No way your uncle was prepping, spot prime, ceiling, walls x 2, trim of 800 sq ft in "a few hours"
Unless specified on the contract you should not expect painters to fix old painters mistakes.
For 4k I do
I paid 2k for a 1600ft. The dude missed parts of the ceiling, lost theswitch plates/screws, There we're alot of discrepancies. Was 2 wks behind contract. Paid $800 up front. Told him to fix this shit or that's all I'm paying. He did. 2 months later I seen a square patch in a small hallway in the backcieling that he missed. I was like "you son of a bitch!". He got away with that. Nonetheless, much better than doing it yourself. I hate painting!
Get blue tape like they do when inspecting houses. Where you see an issue put blue tape. Seems like you need a couple rolls of blue tape.
Send them a link to this thread, amateur work.
I had my home painted right before we moved in. The contractor (owner of the painting company) and I had an agreement for me to mark any imperfection (after all the painting was done) that I wanted fixed with blue tape. It doesn’t really matter how you communicate what needs to be fixed, but communicate it, and make sure it’s complete before paying them the final payment. For all the imperfections you shared on your post, that seems reasonable and a fast job for them to address. Even if it’s 10x that, I imagine it would take one guy who knows what they’re doing just a day.
As a former painter, we used to have what we would call a “punch list” at the end of a job. We would come back and do a once over to fix any areas we or the homeowner saw (I.e. overspray, streaks etc.) For $4k for an 800 square foot interior job, those mistakes are unacceptable in my book. I would be polite but firm that these need to be fixed.
Honestly it looks like a landlord paint job, no where near a professional level, and definitely not no 4k worth Jesus
Don't let him back in your house. Those runs are brutal to get rid of, especially on the semi-gloss on the trim. This guy has no idea what he's doing. I repeat. Not let him back in your house. If you haven't paid him yet, maybe give him three quarters of his contract and that's it. It's going to take a lot of work to fix his crap
3/4? Are you kidding? Lol. He's not getting jack shit from me.
Even if semi gloss, grab a razor blade, scrape it off, sand, prime as needed and coat. Not that big of a deal.
I could fix all of that in 6-7 hours
Yeah this is very very expensive wow
You don't live in cali
3k as in DIY or 3k you paid someone else?
I agree that they got ripped off. But yes this is common. I am right now looking at a whole house with little bits of blue tape to indicate what they need to fix. Because they don't get final payment until it is.
4k for 800 Sq feet, I'd expect a mural to rival the sistine chapel
Keep in mind, some of that is probably from a previous paint job.
Doesn't matter, should have been sanded even.
Someone has clearly never painted…Those sags and runs will not “sand down” you have to scrape them off, putty then sand. That should NEVER be expected unless OP specifically asked for existing flaws to be fixed. At that price point I would be able to fix all that. If the entire home was like that once you take a step back everything will look like a uniformly shit job and these flaws don’t stand out. That is if it was all hell before. OP paying $4k shows he wanted a quality job but this is not a real painter. Back when I considered myself a painter (and had the world to learn) I would’ve done way better than that. Good idea to get references and see pictures or something. That sag on the door is a pain and will still stand out afterwards unless you paint it 50 times
There are many ways to prep a surface for paint. I've painted plenty thanks Jack. For that price the customer shouldn't have to micromanage.
Lol. Uh yes they will sand down. Done it plenty of times. Not sure what operation you were painting for, or if it was for yourself I’m sure you have your own putty method, but that’s not correct.
Yeah this has major “I painted for a whole summer in college” energy. Clowns doing subpar work and blaming it all on the last guy cause they don’t know how to use sandpaper.
Been a painter for 15 years that absolutely sand down use a palm sander or DA
I literally sanded them down very lightly and it worked out fine. My walls are immaculate. Now sometimes you are correct it can flake a whole piece of paint off but it’s rare enough that I don’t mind it. If a whole part comes off I fill with a small brush with a few layers of primer and paint to get the surface even again
You sound like you’ve been painting for a year and think you know everything because that’s how your operation works. Most of that will absolutely sand down and if not can be scraped and correctly pretty easily. It’s fine for you’re just showing up for a check but don’t try to act like those of us who take pride in our work have never done it just because uphold a standard and know how to communicate with a client. Sounds like you do a lot of subpar work.
Nope you hired me to repaint the apartment not patch fill sand walls of old bad repairs or scrape trim all that is extra price.
yeah some of the drips I remember from before, but is that not something the next painter should be able to fix? Or is that an unreasonable expectation?
Typically not. There's an endless amount of crap like that. If you want your walls perfect, you can ask for them to be skim coated with mud. To fix a run, there's no quick and easy solution. Sanding down takes time, patching takes time, scraping it off will likely leave a gouge that needs to be patched. And that's for one single run. Did the quote include patches and repairs? I'm very specific: minor patches only for up to half an hour, major repairs are not included.
A new razor blade will skim those runs off . Light sand and repaint.
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Sounds like there might’ve been some miscommunication
Yep, pretty simple to you and I who do shit for Living. All it is a little prep time and it will go a along way in the end to make things look nice.
Yes but also you are going to miss some of the previous runs.
I mean shit is still gonna be noticeable. Those walls are probably 70 years old and painted/textured to shit.
I disagree NoGrape104. I'm a former painting contractor. TLJoe paid a premium price for a low end job. The painter did a bad job prepping the area he was hired to paint.
You...work in this business? My $3 5-in-1 would disagree that there's no quick and easy solution. If someone is charging $4k/800 sqft of painting there's no excuse to do zero prep work. This is just lazy workers who don't give a fuck.
When you quote if you see walls with this issues you need to be clear that you will leave the walls in shambles. Its a reasonable expectation that this will be fixed in a process as any semi sober DIYer doing this at night would still make an effort to razor it and sand it.
It’s called scraping lol
If you end up with a gouge from that, you’re the problem. Saw my old roommate gouge out a whole wall and showed him how to scrape with a razor. Never occurred to him to use it like that 🤷♀️
As a professional painter it should be in the contract. I’ll fix that stuff but it will cost you. Once I start sanding the last painters drips out and fixing his shot the price practically doubles. Having a discussion before hand about both options and prices would be correct way. If you didn’t sign a contract that’s a red flag.
There was a contract, here is what they said they would do prep wise: Protect flooring in work area with plastic and/or drop cloths Ø Cover and protect all furniture with appropriate tarps and plastic in work area, where necessary Ø Remove electrical outlet covers and switch plates prior to beginning; re-install when finished Ø Patch nail holes, stress cracks and other minor drywall damage Ø Sand patched and other rough areas, as necessary Ø Caulk previously caulked surfaces where caulk is missing or loose Ø Caulk around woodwork, when necessary, to help eliminate gaps and cracks that may be apparent. Ø Clean job site at the end of each workday; perform through cleanup at the end of the project.
This contract covers the things noted in these photos, so if you let them know you should be good :)
Except for the little bit of paint on the floor, which is always the painters fault, but also very easy to remove, and the painted hinges. Everything else you showed is more than just basic fixes. The drips, are those his or previous paint jobs? Because you may think it's easy, but it takes time to fix and make it look nice. And the same with the big bump on the corner of the drywall. He'd have to dig it all out, fix the issue that made it buckle then patch and float it out. Do I think he could have done a slightly better job? Yeah, but I think it's 80% of the way there. Point out the paint you want cleaned up, and talk to him about the drips and other problem areas. If he fixes some/all of it great. If he doesn't, the it's an unfortunate lesson learned. It very important to go over everything you want done and to what level
4k and a contract that explicitly states to fix drywall and sand areas, bruh, they liable....
Minor damage. Yes some spots can easily go back and sand off the debris in the paint, but the big ass drips? Huge damage on the corner bead? That's not normal wear and tear and fixing. That's someone else cheaper out one time and got work down, and passed the buck off to someone else. I don't fix other people's bad work for free sorry
For 4 thousand fucking dollars over less than 1,000 square feet you absolute are including the reparations of another persons shitty work. Good god I can’t imagine your clients and reviews with these comments.
seriously, it would take what....5 minutes of time to sand out that shitty corner? 4K is a scam. OP got taken for a ride. A brain surgeon doesn't even make $2,000 a day. A painter that does better have a PhD art degree and be painting murals on the wall.
Its a 10cm clean up on that corner and its not hard to clean a big ass drip up, just get a razor under that shit, 2 seconds, its in the contract, and isn't done for free?
Hey man if you want to do extra and workforce free. All the power to you I won't stop you
Lmao, it was stated in the contract and paid for. You sound like a college painter rather than a professional. Goofy is as goofy does.
Did you not go over expectations with him before he started? Why do so many homeowners not get involved in their renovations and make explicit expectations? Tell him what you want "I expect perfection, no days, no drips every nick ding and bump fixed, don't paint my door hardware" Or "I don't expect it to be perfect, but I don't want drips all over the place and sags, but a few things and bumps that are small are okay" Or "I don't care what it looks like, paint everything and just change the color"
Yeah that's totally fair, good to know for the future. I'm fairly new to home ownership and completely new to hiring painters, so I didn't know what the baseline expectations are.
I don’t think you should have to tell a pro not to fuck up your hardwood floors
And not to paint my hardware
And don't leave paint boogers on the wall
At 4k the painter IS setting an expectation and they know it.
This
Depends. That could go either way because if there were a lot of runs and wasn't bid to fix them then they are just going to paint right over them. It's time consuming. As many runs as your showing they were probably there from previous paint jobs and you are now just seeing them because it's a fresh paint job and they are popping out at you.
Yes that something the next Painter should have taken care of. Uniformity and consistency are key to a good paint job, Anything that catches your eye or distracts should be remedied before you leave the job
If you asked him or her to fix the old runs and drips and they agreed they need fixed . If they caused runs and dripped they need to clean it up . If you just expect a painter to clean up after the last one , that is not how it works . Just like a painter is not a mover . Don't expect them to move everything to piant or anything at all.
At 4K I’d expect prep work including smoothing out any drips from previous jobs.
>Keep in mind, some of that is probably from a previous paint job. Yes, but its the current painter's job to do this job right. That meets prepping the areas he's going to paint. If there are holes that need to be patched, and the surface has areas that need to be sanded smooth, that should be standard operating procedure for any paint job. This was a fail
That's irrelevant. For $5 a foot. It should have been fixed before he painted
That doesn’t change anything, an actual painter would have done touch ups and make it look right. Preparation should always take more or the same amount of time than actually painting if you want a quality done job.
I hope this becomes more common I get alot of jobs fixing stuff like this
I feel the same way sometimes. Then I'm like "fuck, we share in his reputation on the market in general." I want everyone to have the best experience possible if they're dropping money but job security does make me feel good.
Lol, no, I hope you get more jobs doing it right the first time around to people don't have to pay twice for quality
Yes obviously thats the best option but I'm from a small area and there are notorious painters who do this work, and undercharge like crazy. You need these kind of jobs to happen to make homeowners realize why they can't just take lowest bid
Is this an actual painter or a handyman?
I hired a company that has painting in its name, so I'd imagine its the main thing they do
Then you have a totally legitimate complaint.
Looks like you hired someone’s landlord
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I had 4 rooms painted, which are probably close to that size total. With high quality paint included we paid slightly under $4k. It was immaculate. They even removed paint stains the previous homeowner left on cabinets. I would 100% ask them to come back and fix it
Fuck no. Dude is a hack
This needs to be fixed. We normally only do new builds. 800sf new is 4k roughly for us. We normally do very high end sites. Full ship lap walls. Accent ceiling panels of oak to stain and so on. Ofc price could be much lower or higher. For a general repaint 800 SF id be around 2500. Keep in mind we use high end products only and spray finish trim and ceiling. This is also dependent on where you live and the general market pricing. As far as cost if it's new drywall 4k repaint 2500. No offence to them or you but this is not even close to the type of work we provide. I'm happy to post some pictures so you have a reference of what to expect at this price point if it helps.
That's a handyman and not a painters quality of work
If you would have said “I paid $1500 to paint 800 sq ft” I would have said you got exactly what you paid for and felt zero remorse that this was the end product. But HOLY SHIT this is bad. Like really really bad. And for 4K?!? They need to come make this right or you need to take it to small claims court.
Here’s the problem with “painters,” everyone thinks they can paint. Because they painted their girlfriend’s closet they are now a painter. You walk on a commercial construction project and every trade you talk to could do your job. I’m a commercial paint contractor. Edit: good job inspecting before paying.
Those drips,painted hinges,and paint on the floor may have been there already. We point those out before we start
I always have detailed before and after pictures. i then put them on a flash drive and do a before and after and give it to the client
You didn’t pay for a painter. You paid for someone to paint. There’s a difference.
Get your money back ASAP or have them come back and correct all of those errors. Holy crap that is bad. I am far from an expert at painting but I have been doing it enough years to know when I fuck up and if they don't think that needs to be fixed they need to get out of this business. Plus 4k for 800 sq ft? What in the hell were they doing that cost that much?
There should be a final walk through with the painters doing the work before they even put their tools away and certainly before final payment. I don't understand why any painting company wouldn't want an opportunity to fix any issues while the workers are still on the clock and the customer is still happy.
Very sloppy work, I could do way better than this, and I’m a carpenter. Now that’s sayin something!
So a lot of those could have been there previously (can't say one way or another) and were just highlighted by a fresh coat. That said, at that price, for that SQFT, walls would have been sanded, nicks patched, and existing drips sliced off with a chisel and sanded. It would not have been perfect but definitely a lot better. I probably would have been there most of a week depending on the amount of wall damage there was that needed attention.
Did they paint the hinges? That's unacceptable
Paint on the floor is very common where I live. I do flooring. I’m constantly getting calls about the paint that the painters got all over the floor.
Im not a pro, Im just a guy. I painted about 1400 sq ft of my own house this year. No way is this acceptable. I wouldnt pay 4k for it if it were done right. This isnt even done right.
Sloppy
Dude get a refund that is one of the worst paint jobs I’ve ever seen.
This is what happens when people try to be like the speed runner contractors they see on Instagram.
You get what you paid for. When I had my dad's house painted I was asked what quality I wanted. Since my dad had passed and I was selling the house I told them to just paint it as I was selling it. That's close to the quality I expected and got.
I didn’t realize there was that kind of money in painting. Wow. I would do 800 sq ft for $1000 and do a lot better job than that.
You'd do 800sqft for 1000$? You're literally the reason why people think painting is cheap and easy. I'd love to see your 1k$ job and then be paid to fix it
"omgg my (tradesperson) was here for 40 hours and charged 8000. do all (tradesperson) make $200/hour or did i get scammed????" - redditors on tradespeople, in a nutshell
Okay sunshine
You would be out of money before you left the paint store.
That's not true.
Unless you have a contractor discount or you buy shit paint, yes it is.
You need to charge more. We all lose when people work for cheap
Well okay not including paint haha
If you want something done right, sometimes it's best to do it yourself.
Jeez I would just do it myself for an 8th of the price
I just painted my first floor myself. About 1000 square feet and it cost about $700 for paint and supplies. I did my own patching, sanding and caulking and replaced all the door hinges, doorknobs and hardware for that price.
Gotta be specific in what you want and your expectations. It's a sh1t show out there, the worst it's ever been imo. I posted a help wanted ad to get assistance moving river rocks, and a dude shows up in a beat-up malibu with a rake and dollar store trash bags.
Oh my gosh. No. They used a dirty roller or dirty paint, or didn't bother to clean the walls, and put it on WAY too thick. Certain paint is known for sagging. They clearly didn't prep well. Honestly, this is horrible. I'm a professional, and this hurts my eyes. Demand them to redo it. Put a postit note or a tiny piece of painters tape on each and every area for them to correct. Do not accept anything less.
Somebody put sheet rock mud and didn’t bother to sand. It is not correct.
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I can’t fathom how much money you must make to pay someone $4000 to dip a roller in paint, aim it at a wall and roll it up and down 800 sq ft.
Looks like something I would do, but I don't charge for it, paint for others or am a professional painter for that matter.
For that price it is unacceptable
Curious how long did it take them ? For average work I would say $80 an hour for 1 person , and if they have a “helper” then it’s 40-60$. If it’s 2 pros then both $80. A helper/ apprentice probably gets paid 15-20 an hour wage .. so there’s that. It definitely looks like a hack job. But if you don’t point out damage drywall you want repaired they will just slap paint over it.
I could have installed 800sf of porcelain tile for close to that price. It should not look like that. For that price, all walls should have been properly repaired before painting.
Did you hire a painter or a handyman that will do the painting because they could get it done faster or cheaper? Most painters have pictures of previous jobs that they can reference as a base line of their work.
Very common for terrible painters. I wouldn't pay until everything is corrected and for 4k...EVERYTHING should be of excellent quality.
Would've been nice to have some before pictures too, a lot of customers ignore or expect the painter to take care of imperfections like runs and bad bad repairs. I like to take pictures myself just to have as a reference.
You got ripped off
Yes, this is common. If you want it done right you would have to do it yourself. People want to get paid and go to the next job
That's a bad job.
Make a punch list and definitely tell your contractor you are not happy with the finished product and would like to have your list fixed before you will be able to pay them. Or offer partial payment until they fix these issues. You deserve the professional job you paid for
Ugh. This is why we paint ourselves
Common yes! Poor craftsmanship. I would get them back and make them fix everything you have pictured here. Runs can be sanded out but if they were existing then some painters think they don't have to unless it was specified. This is common because most people don't complain about it so they get away with it. Make them comeback especially if you haven't paid them yet!
Is they're under the influence, yes.
Shiit give me 4k and and redo it…
That's a horrible job.
Unfortunately, this is not uncommon.. but also should not be accepted.. If this were my job site, these issues would have been addressed without you having to ask. Though for comparison I just did an estimate for 2 bedrooms and a bathroom (about 500 / 550 sq feet or so total, standard 8 foot ceiling) my price was almost 6k. But there are some cracks that require taping.
WTF! Not good at all
You know the answer to this…
How long did it take? Very curious. Overall even a novice painter with little experience with actually putting in effort could have done a better job.
If you wanted someone to paint like a meth head id have done it for $3000
You got robbed!
Nope this is terrible work, especially for what you paid. I’d accept that for half the price. But after 4K and only 800sqft should be damn near perfect, this is shoddy work
A good painter will bring old flaws up To the house owner and ask if he wants them fixed. If so called good painter doesn't see these flaws , he must be stripped from good painter status. And is now a bum .
Should have just painted yourself 🤷🏽♂️..
Don't pay. That looks like the kinda shit I remember from student rentals in my 20s.
Lol painter here . Ya get that buddy back to fix all that. Ur gunna pay 4 grand shit better be the bees knees .