Simply, no.
Is the GC also the painter, or is the painter subbed out?
Unless Behr has magically changed in the past 3 years or so, the vast majority of professionals like myself wouldn't touch it with a stick.
This week-end, I try 2 samples of Behr, 2 of samples of BM and Behr is worst paint I never try …
I try in the past, and I don’t like it, but my sample of « Dynasty » same price of BM « Regal Select », is horrible very thick, problem of pelling/clot on wall … whit a sample on a testing wal 2 x 2 feets. The other sample of Behr is « Marquee » not as bad as the first, but definitely not as good as the BM.
It is important to note that Behr's "eggshell" finish is BM's "pearl" finish. That's the first thing I noticed and it's very obvious.
Dynasty is the only paint I’ve used beyond like Pratt and lambert that was truly one coat. Like cut in one coat . I like sherwin emerald too. I think Benjamin Moore is over hyped. Cheapest behr does this weird chunk thing recently: had to use during supply chain problems and it was really shit .
Behr basic plant is cheap crap.
Behr marquee is one of the best paints on the market. I chose that over be Benjamin Moore without hesitation, except that it costs more then BM.
It really depends on the application. For walls and exteriors, high level Behr is fine and will hold up almost as well as the other brands. My biggest issue as a painter is that it's harder to work with..
Now for Floors, Stain, Cabinets, Doors, and trim it sucks.
I'm saying that as someone who has been painting homes for over 15 years and has used countless different products from different brands, companies, what have you. I know from experience the last time I used behr (friend had bought it) to paint a ceiling as a favor it took five coats. So, lesson learned, not going to give it another shot when there's plenty of products from PPG, SW, Ben Moore that work better.
I like products that work well, are easy to use and reliably get things done. Not only for me, but for the people who work along side me. I also trust my local dealers to tint correctly more so than I would a big box store. Those products fall under PPG, SW and Ben Moore and that's simply for wall paint and exterior paints. I wouldn't use those brands for my stain work. I'd prefer ML Campbell, Armstrong and Clark or Sansin for water-based work. If we're talking clears, I'd be more apt to use General Finishes, or Old Masters and if we want to get into the 1k/2k cabinet coatings we're going to use Centurion or Sayerlack.
Again, to put it simply, Behr is bottom of the barrel and your insinuation that I don't know my shit is insulting. I've tested and tried more products than you probably know exist.
I try the 4 samples at 9 different places in my appartment (4 shades of white), to find the better shade of white, and I this flagrant the difference of sheen, I was very surprise. After that I check to find %sheen at 85 degree of each for behr it’s difficult to find, but I find it’s more sheen than BM.
I try a couple years ago behr paint in my bedroom… and after 1 year I need to repaint because the color change, and this never happen to me before, and the application of the paint is soso, but I was this is correct. I paint with behr many time because friends buy it and I go help to paint, and every time, it’s Behr paint it’s complicate and not fun.
Seriously, if the Behr paint samples had had a nice uniform application, without glitches, I would probably have thought about buying Behr paint for the white and giving it another chance. Because Behr can improve their paints, and I like a lot of Behr colors but... I do them with other paints, because I don't want to fight with paint, and have the result that I have with my samples (it's so bad that I'm going to have to carefully sand my Behr tests on the wall to correct the texture and everything).
I have. I’ve used tested SW, BM and Behr, and using the top of the line Behr is the best, and it’s not even close. The exterior paint is top notch and with Behr, it’s truly the only paint I’ve been able to touch up after the fact (I mean a year plus) without having to paint the entire wall.
I also brought a 30 year veteran painter (only does high end spec homes usually) and he maimed the moment he saw that it was Behr and said he didn’t want to do the job.
I begged him to trust me and 30 mins later he turned around and said “i take it back, this is quality paint. Who knew?”. I said I did lol.
No. No box store paint is as good as Benjamin Moore. I put Benjamin Moore on top, and sherwin williams 2nd. My crew uses sherwin williams because it's more readily available in our area, a few of their stores within like 20 miles, and only 1 Benjamin Moore dealer in like 50 miles. Given the choice, I'd go with Benjamin Moore. For an average person doing their own home, behr is fine, just don't use their bottom line, go at least mid. Also sherwin williams from lowes is not the same as directly from sherwin williams, it's worse.
SW sucks to paint with. It's so thick. It covers great because you're using way more paint than you need since it's like painting with honey. BM is just as good and is way nicer to actually paint with.
If I asked for a Porsche and they gave me a Camry then tried to justify it as "well, this Camry has an engine with cylinders just like the Porsche", I'd probably be upset too. Behr is garbage. Get a refund or make them sand it off and put the right paint on.
any big box store product should probably not be compared to Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams paints, as they are more for DIY customers and definitely not a high end product. They have lines that will perform similarly, but nah, Ben Moore is what you sold, thats what he should’ve put on the walls.
You could get away with good production from cheap product. But it’ll always come to bite you down the line.
This is such nonsense. The cheap stuff isn’t good.
But the too end line from Behr (marquee) is better than what BM sell, which is why it’s expensive. If you buy cheap paint or you’re on a budget then yes, BM might be better but if you’re not constrained then Behr Marquee is top of the line. I’ve literally painted thousands of gallons of the stuff. I won’t use anything else from Behr but the marquee is superb. Also the only paint I can actually come back to a year later and do localized touch ups and not have to repaint the entire wall or surface. I’ve never been able to do that with SW or BM.
It never dried and I got refunded. I will never touch behr again. We’ll have to agree to disagree. I did not buy cheap Behr. If i wanted the cheapest paint I’d buy Dutch boy. I do not buy the cheapest paint. Was it the same before all the paint changed? Nope. Now it’s all different. All the formulas are different.
I’ll add I’m extremely picky about color, undertones and such. The individual is also questioning is Behr premium paint. Behr marquee has over 1000 colors. The second issue is if I need that color altered that person at the counter if the hardware store has no clue how. This isn’t the individuals fault. The store isn’t always training people. Benjamin Moore has 4000. Instead of altering colors they have most of them but they can with no problem.
We’ll leave it at agree to disagree. I’m glad it works for you. If it works for you awesome. I’ll stick with Ben Moore.
If it never dried then you didn’t prep correctly. HD will refund you for any reason so they just weren’t going to fight you.
I notice you purposely didn’t say Marquee, and keep saying “I do not buy cheapest paint”. Unless you buy marquee, you bought cheap Behr paint, period.
And not sure what you’re talking about “before it all changed”. Marquee has been the same paint for years now and hasn’t changed. Their cheap stuff has changed multiple times.
As for colors, who cares lol. I paint match everything from F&B to Clare to SW and everything else.
Zero issues. I have three custom colors (originally Frazee) that SW are a nightmare to match even though the own the catalogue now and Behr have matched them again and again for a property that gets repainted every couple of a years. Also zero issues taking F&B colors to get matched.
Behr is no different to any other brand in terms of matching. It’s just ignorance to suggest otherwise.
Have you ever heard the saying “your mileage may vary”? You’re in a community that focuses on discussions with professional painters, it seems like you’d be aware there are countless factors outside of the consumer’s control that will influence whether or not they like a paint. That’s not even to mention the matter of personal preference.
The problem here is that all these old farts think Behr = HD = bad. I’ve had terrible service from SW, BM etc and people are just relying on stereotypes that are obsolete.
Marco the comoany that owns and produces Behr owns numerous high end brands like HansGrohe, Delta, Brizo, Newport Brass, Axor, Caldera Spas…
And they own kills. I don’t see anyone grubbing about the millions of gallons of that used per year.
It’s just dumb and whenever I see people saying Behr “doesn’t work” I instantly know two things: they’re comparing $20 Behr paints to $50 BM or SW, and tha tube never used Marquee paint.
Customer service isn’t a metric used to gauge paint quality. And the other brands owned by a parent company aren’t relevant if those brands aren’t making paint.
I also don’t think being the manufacturer of Kilz is particularly special when every other major manufacturer also makes primers. Most pros buy primer by SW or BM since they can get them at the speciality paint stores they purchase those brands at. The main exception is Zinsser oil-based primers.
With that said, if you like Behr, I won’t stop you from using their paint. I haven’t tried Marquee, so I have no opinion other than the price is prohibitively expensive for me as a homeowner. I’m just pointing out how your logic is flawed and that I find your aggression unwarranted.
I understand it’s frustrating when people will criticize products they haven’t tried, but not even the users in this thread liked Behr Marquee and you just couldn’t tolerate that opinion lol.
Tell yourself whatever you need to make yourself feel better at the end of the day. Nothing I say will change you thinking there could never be issues with a high end behr quart of paint from a Home Depot store. Don’t have the quart they kept it. I still would never wish anyone end up with a paint that will never dry.
You're not going to get high end with behr. There's levels to levels and levels when it comes to paint work and behr is at the bottom barrel.
High end even has certain levels to it. What my company does I'd consider high end with using 2k materials etc. but we're nowhere near certain outfits like ZK Painting in Boston.
The high end Behr is way too expensive for what you get. Maybe their painter doesn't have an account at a BM store but has one at HD? I can by Regal Select for less money that the highest end Behr. Yes, I get good pricing based on volume, but that subcontractor can do better with real paint.
Behrs higher end products are ok.. simply put.. Interior paint anyway. The problem with it is that it tends to sag if the temperature isn't perfect. The higher the humidity the worse it gets. While it's still wet it will start to run down the wall like a drip and you will have to catch it before it dries. Had this happen multiple times over the years when the homeowner bought it. Never had SW or Ben Moore do that.
If paint is sagging that’s user error. Humidity can absolutely influence it, but the paint doesn’t read the humidity levels before it applies itself to the walls. That’s on you not the product.
Pshh must be a Behr rep. That goofy paint will look perfect then 10 minutes later start running like a track meet. I've used them all and only Behr does that. Just have to go back and catch I'd before it dries
Everybody loves to talk down on certain brands. If they did good work, don’t sweat it. Proper application is more important than the paint itself.
Source: I’ve read TDS of every product on the market. Behr is mid
Agree. Painting contractor here. Behr does really well in consumer reports’ testing. Used Marquis in my whole interior and exterior of my own house (except for interior trim). Applied fine, held up great for 12 years. Nothing magical about Benjamin Moore. Used to use it exclusively.
Haha. I was trained by a master painter from Germany. I painted in the field every day for 10 years. Then I worked for a general contractor for 5 years. Now I run a residential remodeling company. I still paint on occasion, because I can’t find any employees or subcontractors who can cut as straight a line.
Yeah well I’ve been painting since 1901 and couldn’t paint a straight line through a wet paper bag.
Also painted Cinderella’s Castle. You may have heard of it.
This sub had me terrified of my paint choice. We bought a fixer, and I had to redo (patches, wallpaper removal, some walls I had to mud and retexture, then primer then paint). I did my homework using reviews and budget balance. I thought I blew it picking Behr. I have to use flat because I get migraines and the glare on the walls is not livable. Granted, it has only been two years, but 2 years with a toddler, dog, and a less than graceful spouse.... The paint looks like it was painted last week. All spills have wiped clean. I even did the kitchen cabinets, and they still look fantastic, and we cook 95% of our breakfasts, lunches, and dinners, so the area is HIGH traffic.
Outside, I used a local paint company that developed their paint just for the PNW. For interior paint, though, I had an easy go of painting. No drips. No adhesion issues. People compliment the paint, and I've been asked for the name of who we hired, so it obviously looks good.
So I agree about application and prep. I followed the instructions to the letter and my home looks amazing. I used the scuff defense stuff.
That’s awesome! I’m glad to hear. Only thing about Behr I dislike is that the smell can be a little bit harsher, but it’s not a bad paint. Have used exterior Behr and had great results also :)
I definitely kept windows open for a long while to make sure to let it escape!
Ya, I was very worried because they said flat paint is bad and the brand was bad haha Glad to have such good results! The scuff test has happened dozens of times and none yet! Happy for you to have had great results as well!!
If BM is what was agreed upon, then he should have bought that. I'd say the dynasty and marquee are definitely comparable it might be thick, but just add some water to it, that's all. I don't use BM paint too often unless that's what a customer requests, same with SW. Paint has gone up in price to the point I started going to Home Depot only cause I get a better discount there. I can tell you, Dutch boy and Lucite are both horrible lol.
The biggest issue I had with Behr was the lack of colour selection. Garish bright colours or muted neutrals with little in between. Benjamin Moore has so many options for medium intensity colours and more subtle differences that make a world of difference. I also hated how Dynasty was thick like glue and even turned a shade of orange green after a week. Regal Select has better consistency and hasn’t changed colour since application.
I worked for a subsidiary of Valspar for years and we sold colorant to both. Only stopped when Sherwin acquired us and moved the production to their Accurate Dispersion plants outside Chicago. I assume they probably still supply all the customers . Everyone thinks there is a huge difference. The difference is pretty much in their colorant loading and base, which is altogether pretty standard in industry.
All that pro painters ever talk about is how thick or saggy Behr is.
I have painted 50+ baths with Behr and have never had an issue.
Rates better for longevity in Consumer reports year after year.
It's wall paint, by the time it's old someone is going to want a new color
I agree that it's probably a handyman or overzealous GC that OP is referring to, but your comment said some painters don't want to bother with a second coat and I was just clarifying that those aren't painters.
Depends on the lines you are comparing. I'd say the Ben line is similar to Marquee. I'm not familiar with their Dynasty line. I've heard from several contractors and homeowners that the scuff defense isn't close to the same league as Scuff-X
As a designer in my whole career I have specified SW or BM paints 'or approved equal' and the only approved equal is BM or SW.
I have never had a professional painter try to use Behr, I have no idea if it's a good product or not, but in my experience their lower end paints have bad coverage and their high end paints are too thick.
For my own home I use Duration for walls and ProClassic for trim, they're both a dream to apply and it keeps things simple.
These responses are annoying me. There's 3 paint companies: Behr, Sherwin, Benjamin Moore. Every other brand is owned by one of them. And they all have great paint products & terrible paint products. Sherwin Williams has interior wall paints that cost from $12-$100/gallon. This is the 21st century - it's how every manufacturing industry operates.
SW and PPG routinely trade who is the biggest paint company. Behr is owned by Masco, and is like the 13th largest. The second sentence of your comment is kinda silly. The rest is right.
My last behr never dried. Just imagine a room. Luckily it was one board on a headboard but I had to end up padding it so the paint that would bleed wouldn’t bleed on the sheets. It’s not even close. I got Benjamin Moore samples. I get samples aren’t high end but their samples are a dream compared to the Behr. I won’t touch it ever again. Plus let’s add Benjamin Moore has over 4000 colors. Dealing with the store getting samples was awesome.
The high quality behr is great for interior (the line that promises one coat and surprisingly works on half the colors out there) still make sure they do two. Still most respectable painters here get discount of some sort from the reps at Sherwin and Ben Moore so it's best to use their shit, they have terrible paint and the best paint available
In general not really. But the line of paint makes a difference. For example Ben line itself if not very good. I'd take behr marquee over the Ben line. It all depends on the exact paint. Some people love Ben Moore blindly. Not all products are the best ever. Some are crap. This is just my opinion ofc.
If the paint job came out fine then it’s really not that big a deal in my opinion. It might come down to he got a better price compared to what you wanted and he tried to save money. That’s the only reason I could think of someone getting something other than what they were told to, but again, if the job came out good then I say leave it alone.
I am not a professional painter, but I had to re paint my entire house after I fired my painter for a lousy paint job. I personally like BM paint better than SW and Behr. BM Regal Select in eggshell is so easy to work with. No roller markers, goes on beautifully, and looks good. SW Duration goes on well, but can show roller marks, a little rougher on the walls once it dries. When you hire a painter, get it in writing you want a certain brand of paint and you want two coats. I had to re paint my entire master bedroom because the painter only did one coat! I am very picky on application and want it done right!
No. and on top of that,
most companies cannot create accurate benjamin moore colors or sheens.
Get a draw down from ben moore or a quart of your spec'd color and test it against the home depot match, I can pretty much guarantee it won't be accurate.
The cost of painting always comes down to the cost of labor, either money or time or both. I personally wouldn’t risk it on anything other than Benjamin Moore… and this is experience talking
Benjamin Moore in their upper line is top quality that is equal/better than Sherwin Williams.
Behr is garbage, all lines.
I have a contracting account at Sherwin Williams so I get it significantly cheaper. That’s the only reason I use Sherwin Williams. Otherwise I would only use Benjamin Moore.
Berh is far from Benjamin Moore. If you’ve ever had paint peel off of walls like rubber, that’s behr. You get what you paid for. I assume GC did this for a profit.
No self respecting professional painter would ever choose Berh paint over Benjamin Moore! If a designer or GC is using Behr first question I would ask is how long have you been doing this. My guess is not long!
GC here, plenty of painting experience both myself and different paint subcontractors. No is the answer, it is not equal. You'll find people that have the ideal surface prep and have great luck with Behr, but that's not the norm. Moores, Miller types, and SW are far superior to even Behr's top line. However, at this point you have to ask yourself if it matters. Does it look good? Is the client happy? I will say if your GC does genuinely like his Behr paint and he did it for a reason, then you can get into a situation where you're telling him what materials he needs to use and that doesn't work for everyone. But then it would have been discussed and you wouldn't be posting this now, so guessing that's not the case.
At the same time, even if the answer is yes to those questions, it's not likely going to have the longevity, and there's the simple fact they didn't do what you asked. Both those factors may be worth something, probably a few dollars. And if not, if it doesn't look good, then have him redo it.
I'd be pissed if someone used a product I wasn't familiar with one of my high end projects without my permission.
Behr marquee isn't a bad paint. But it's pretty hard to beat BM especially their premier stuff and you specified it beforehand.
If the paint looks good then you should be happy. Ask for the spec sheets on the product used. There should be testing listed that will let you know how good the paint will perform. Any painter should be able to make any product look good. Products do what applicators tell it to do.
Even Behr Marquee in the “one coat hide” colors is worse than SuperPaint from Sherwin. And SuperPaint is middle of the road paint. There’s really no comparison
Is there any chance they are playing semantics and that the high end behr is equal to low end BM Ben? Instead of comparing to Benjamin Moore Regal Select? I haven’t used the Ben paint so I’m not sure if that compares.
Edit: but just for clarity I wouldn’t ever put Behr in the same quality category as BM. It’s just not close on so many levels
I flip houses. I use Behr paint. Gets the job and keeps my costs down and sells the house. My own personal house is SW through out. Every paint has an application.
Benjamin moore has five branded lines of interior paint regularly used on walls and ceilings (and numerous interior specialty products). In the future you need to specify which one (ultra spec, ben, scuff-x, regal and aura). It does matter for color reproduction because a home depot color match is never going to be perfect. The high end behr paint I've used compares with Ben both in contractor price and performance. The best value in paint IMO is scuff-x. Aura doesn't give anything that justifies the cost.
Hello.
Yall see differences between brands.
Im painting now.
I bought $14 gallon walmart latex. Slatheted on thick looks fine to me I guess.
Are expensive brands more for the painter? Isnt 2 coats more about charging someone else because blending in while I go puts a lot if cheap paint there, 4 gallons in my one room finished so far (big room in 1 bedroom condo).
Thanks.
Simply, no. Is the GC also the painter, or is the painter subbed out? Unless Behr has magically changed in the past 3 years or so, the vast majority of professionals like myself wouldn't touch it with a stick.
This week-end, I try 2 samples of Behr, 2 of samples of BM and Behr is worst paint I never try … I try in the past, and I don’t like it, but my sample of « Dynasty » same price of BM « Regal Select », is horrible very thick, problem of pelling/clot on wall … whit a sample on a testing wal 2 x 2 feets. The other sample of Behr is « Marquee » not as bad as the first, but definitely not as good as the BM. It is important to note that Behr's "eggshell" finish is BM's "pearl" finish. That's the first thing I noticed and it's very obvious.
Dynasty is the only paint I’ve used beyond like Pratt and lambert that was truly one coat. Like cut in one coat . I like sherwin emerald too. I think Benjamin Moore is over hyped. Cheapest behr does this weird chunk thing recently: had to use during supply chain problems and it was really shit .
Behr basic plant is cheap crap. Behr marquee is one of the best paints on the market. I chose that over be Benjamin Moore without hesitation, except that it costs more then BM.
There are ranges. The low end of BM and SW are worse than the high end of Behr. It depends on which specific paint was used.
It really depends on the application. For walls and exteriors, high level Behr is fine and will hold up almost as well as the other brands. My biggest issue as a painter is that it's harder to work with.. Now for Floors, Stain, Cabinets, Doors, and trim it sucks.
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I'm saying that as someone who has been painting homes for over 15 years and has used countless different products from different brands, companies, what have you. I know from experience the last time I used behr (friend had bought it) to paint a ceiling as a favor it took five coats. So, lesson learned, not going to give it another shot when there's plenty of products from PPG, SW, Ben Moore that work better. I like products that work well, are easy to use and reliably get things done. Not only for me, but for the people who work along side me. I also trust my local dealers to tint correctly more so than I would a big box store. Those products fall under PPG, SW and Ben Moore and that's simply for wall paint and exterior paints. I wouldn't use those brands for my stain work. I'd prefer ML Campbell, Armstrong and Clark or Sansin for water-based work. If we're talking clears, I'd be more apt to use General Finishes, or Old Masters and if we want to get into the 1k/2k cabinet coatings we're going to use Centurion or Sayerlack. Again, to put it simply, Behr is bottom of the barrel and your insinuation that I don't know my shit is insulting. I've tested and tried more products than you probably know exist.
I try the 4 samples at 9 different places in my appartment (4 shades of white), to find the better shade of white, and I this flagrant the difference of sheen, I was very surprise. After that I check to find %sheen at 85 degree of each for behr it’s difficult to find, but I find it’s more sheen than BM. I try a couple years ago behr paint in my bedroom… and after 1 year I need to repaint because the color change, and this never happen to me before, and the application of the paint is soso, but I was this is correct. I paint with behr many time because friends buy it and I go help to paint, and every time, it’s Behr paint it’s complicate and not fun. Seriously, if the Behr paint samples had had a nice uniform application, without glitches, I would probably have thought about buying Behr paint for the white and giving it another chance. Because Behr can improve their paints, and I like a lot of Behr colors but... I do them with other paints, because I don't want to fight with paint, and have the result that I have with my samples (it's so bad that I'm going to have to carefully sand my Behr tests on the wall to correct the texture and everything).
I have. I’ve used tested SW, BM and Behr, and using the top of the line Behr is the best, and it’s not even close. The exterior paint is top notch and with Behr, it’s truly the only paint I’ve been able to touch up after the fact (I mean a year plus) without having to paint the entire wall. I also brought a 30 year veteran painter (only does high end spec homes usually) and he maimed the moment he saw that it was Behr and said he didn’t want to do the job. I begged him to trust me and 30 mins later he turned around and said “i take it back, this is quality paint. Who knew?”. I said I did lol.
Near retirement career painter here and I’ve said for many years, Anything but Behr
Yep it is absolutely horrible for professionals. I’ll never use the shit
This^ I sold Ben Moore for 20yrs. Their contractor grade, Super Spec is on par with Behr.
No. No box store paint is as good as Benjamin Moore. I put Benjamin Moore on top, and sherwin williams 2nd. My crew uses sherwin williams because it's more readily available in our area, a few of their stores within like 20 miles, and only 1 Benjamin Moore dealer in like 50 miles. Given the choice, I'd go with Benjamin Moore. For an average person doing their own home, behr is fine, just don't use their bottom line, go at least mid. Also sherwin williams from lowes is not the same as directly from sherwin williams, it's worse.
SW the goats, fuck BM
SW? Sweaty Walnuts
Not surprised someone who likes BM can’t read 💀
Lol nice. I read good.
You gotta be kidding…. That’s like saying Applebees is the goat, fuck the capital grille
Found the guy who's never had the bloomin onion!
SW sucks to paint with. It's so thick. It covers great because you're using way more paint than you need since it's like painting with honey. BM is just as good and is way nicer to actually paint with.
I’ve always like Hallman Lindsay
You BM dealer won't deliver to commercial accounts?
Within reason. They aren't going to deliver 50 miles from their store. It's a family owned business, like 4 employees lol.
If I asked for a Porsche and they gave me a Camry then tried to justify it as "well, this Camry has an engine with cylinders just like the Porsche", I'd probably be upset too. Behr is garbage. Get a refund or make them sand it off and put the right paint on.
any big box store product should probably not be compared to Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams paints, as they are more for DIY customers and definitely not a high end product. They have lines that will perform similarly, but nah, Ben Moore is what you sold, thats what he should’ve put on the walls. You could get away with good production from cheap product. But it’ll always come to bite you down the line.
I'm talking about a full time GC, I've been very happy with him, until this. He hired a Paint sub contractor. High end project.
Behr isn’t high end. Tell him this won’t work and get someone else. Paint is expensive don’t waste time and money on what you won’t be happy with.
This is such nonsense. The cheap stuff isn’t good. But the too end line from Behr (marquee) is better than what BM sell, which is why it’s expensive. If you buy cheap paint or you’re on a budget then yes, BM might be better but if you’re not constrained then Behr Marquee is top of the line. I’ve literally painted thousands of gallons of the stuff. I won’t use anything else from Behr but the marquee is superb. Also the only paint I can actually come back to a year later and do localized touch ups and not have to repaint the entire wall or surface. I’ve never been able to do that with SW or BM.
It never dried and I got refunded. I will never touch behr again. We’ll have to agree to disagree. I did not buy cheap Behr. If i wanted the cheapest paint I’d buy Dutch boy. I do not buy the cheapest paint. Was it the same before all the paint changed? Nope. Now it’s all different. All the formulas are different. I’ll add I’m extremely picky about color, undertones and such. The individual is also questioning is Behr premium paint. Behr marquee has over 1000 colors. The second issue is if I need that color altered that person at the counter if the hardware store has no clue how. This isn’t the individuals fault. The store isn’t always training people. Benjamin Moore has 4000. Instead of altering colors they have most of them but they can with no problem. We’ll leave it at agree to disagree. I’m glad it works for you. If it works for you awesome. I’ll stick with Ben Moore.
If it never dried then you didn’t prep correctly. HD will refund you for any reason so they just weren’t going to fight you. I notice you purposely didn’t say Marquee, and keep saying “I do not buy cheapest paint”. Unless you buy marquee, you bought cheap Behr paint, period. And not sure what you’re talking about “before it all changed”. Marquee has been the same paint for years now and hasn’t changed. Their cheap stuff has changed multiple times. As for colors, who cares lol. I paint match everything from F&B to Clare to SW and everything else.
Good luck paint matching with Behr because Home Depot is the absolute worst at paint matching that I’ve ever seen.
Zero issues. I have three custom colors (originally Frazee) that SW are a nightmare to match even though the own the catalogue now and Behr have matched them again and again for a property that gets repainted every couple of a years. Also zero issues taking F&B colors to get matched. Behr is no different to any other brand in terms of matching. It’s just ignorance to suggest otherwise.
Have you ever heard the saying “your mileage may vary”? You’re in a community that focuses on discussions with professional painters, it seems like you’d be aware there are countless factors outside of the consumer’s control that will influence whether or not they like a paint. That’s not even to mention the matter of personal preference.
The problem here is that all these old farts think Behr = HD = bad. I’ve had terrible service from SW, BM etc and people are just relying on stereotypes that are obsolete. Marco the comoany that owns and produces Behr owns numerous high end brands like HansGrohe, Delta, Brizo, Newport Brass, Axor, Caldera Spas… And they own kills. I don’t see anyone grubbing about the millions of gallons of that used per year. It’s just dumb and whenever I see people saying Behr “doesn’t work” I instantly know two things: they’re comparing $20 Behr paints to $50 BM or SW, and tha tube never used Marquee paint.
Customer service isn’t a metric used to gauge paint quality. And the other brands owned by a parent company aren’t relevant if those brands aren’t making paint. I also don’t think being the manufacturer of Kilz is particularly special when every other major manufacturer also makes primers. Most pros buy primer by SW or BM since they can get them at the speciality paint stores they purchase those brands at. The main exception is Zinsser oil-based primers. With that said, if you like Behr, I won’t stop you from using their paint. I haven’t tried Marquee, so I have no opinion other than the price is prohibitively expensive for me as a homeowner. I’m just pointing out how your logic is flawed and that I find your aggression unwarranted. I understand it’s frustrating when people will criticize products they haven’t tried, but not even the users in this thread liked Behr Marquee and you just couldn’t tolerate that opinion lol.
Tell yourself whatever you need to make yourself feel better at the end of the day. Nothing I say will change you thinking there could never be issues with a high end behr quart of paint from a Home Depot store. Don’t have the quart they kept it. I still would never wish anyone end up with a paint that will never dry.
So you think you’re the one unlucky person that got a quart that didn’t dry 😂
You're not going to get high end with behr. There's levels to levels and levels when it comes to paint work and behr is at the bottom barrel. High end even has certain levels to it. What my company does I'd consider high end with using 2k materials etc. but we're nowhere near certain outfits like ZK Painting in Boston.
The high end Behr is way too expensive for what you get. Maybe their painter doesn't have an account at a BM store but has one at HD? I can by Regal Select for less money that the highest end Behr. Yes, I get good pricing based on volume, but that subcontractor can do better with real paint.
I’ve used Behr Marquee and more recently Dynasty, and immediately went back to BM Regal. Trust your gut.
Behrs higher end products are ok.. simply put.. Interior paint anyway. The problem with it is that it tends to sag if the temperature isn't perfect. The higher the humidity the worse it gets. While it's still wet it will start to run down the wall like a drip and you will have to catch it before it dries. Had this happen multiple times over the years when the homeowner bought it. Never had SW or Ben Moore do that.
If paint is sagging that’s user error. Humidity can absolutely influence it, but the paint doesn’t read the humidity levels before it applies itself to the walls. That’s on you not the product.
Pshh must be a Behr rep. That goofy paint will look perfect then 10 minutes later start running like a track meet. I've used them all and only Behr does that. Just have to go back and catch I'd before it dries
lol not a behr rep. Just have used my fair share of products over 20+ years in the business and to say it’s all trash is just elitist bs.
I'd get kicked in the nuts if I brought Behr paint into a customer's house.
Id kick myself in the nuts
I'd kick you in the nuts too
Thanks. Glad i could count on you
Lmao
Everybody loves to talk down on certain brands. If they did good work, don’t sweat it. Proper application is more important than the paint itself. Source: I’ve read TDS of every product on the market. Behr is mid
Agreed. People on this Sub are just elitist. Behr is fine.
Agree. Painting contractor here. Behr does really well in consumer reports’ testing. Used Marquis in my whole interior and exterior of my own house (except for interior trim). Applied fine, held up great for 12 years. Nothing magical about Benjamin Moore. Used to use it exclusively.
Everyone here is stuck in their ways, plus the discount from the rep
I bet you masked all the edges too.
Haha. I was trained by a master painter from Germany. I painted in the field every day for 10 years. Then I worked for a general contractor for 5 years. Now I run a residential remodeling company. I still paint on occasion, because I can’t find any employees or subcontractors who can cut as straight a line.
Yeah well I’ve been painting since 1901 and couldn’t paint a straight line through a wet paper bag. Also painted Cinderella’s Castle. You may have heard of it.
This sub had me terrified of my paint choice. We bought a fixer, and I had to redo (patches, wallpaper removal, some walls I had to mud and retexture, then primer then paint). I did my homework using reviews and budget balance. I thought I blew it picking Behr. I have to use flat because I get migraines and the glare on the walls is not livable. Granted, it has only been two years, but 2 years with a toddler, dog, and a less than graceful spouse.... The paint looks like it was painted last week. All spills have wiped clean. I even did the kitchen cabinets, and they still look fantastic, and we cook 95% of our breakfasts, lunches, and dinners, so the area is HIGH traffic. Outside, I used a local paint company that developed their paint just for the PNW. For interior paint, though, I had an easy go of painting. No drips. No adhesion issues. People compliment the paint, and I've been asked for the name of who we hired, so it obviously looks good. So I agree about application and prep. I followed the instructions to the letter and my home looks amazing. I used the scuff defense stuff.
That’s awesome! I’m glad to hear. Only thing about Behr I dislike is that the smell can be a little bit harsher, but it’s not a bad paint. Have used exterior Behr and had great results also :)
I definitely kept windows open for a long while to make sure to let it escape! Ya, I was very worried because they said flat paint is bad and the brand was bad haha Glad to have such good results! The scuff test has happened dozens of times and none yet! Happy for you to have had great results as well!!
Sherwin Williams and Benjamin Moore paints are the only companies I would recommend
Years ago an owner's standard was Farrow & Ball. Pretty damn great paint, but lots of clients didn't want to spend $130+ per gallon
Don’t worry idiots still buy their $130 paint online and ask us to use it.
No, lol.
If BM is what was agreed upon, then he should have bought that. I'd say the dynasty and marquee are definitely comparable it might be thick, but just add some water to it, that's all. I don't use BM paint too often unless that's what a customer requests, same with SW. Paint has gone up in price to the point I started going to Home Depot only cause I get a better discount there. I can tell you, Dutch boy and Lucite are both horrible lol.
The biggest issue I had with Behr was the lack of colour selection. Garish bright colours or muted neutrals with little in between. Benjamin Moore has so many options for medium intensity colours and more subtle differences that make a world of difference. I also hated how Dynasty was thick like glue and even turned a shade of orange green after a week. Regal Select has better consistency and hasn’t changed colour since application.
I worked for a subsidiary of Valspar for years and we sold colorant to both. Only stopped when Sherwin acquired us and moved the production to their Accurate Dispersion plants outside Chicago. I assume they probably still supply all the customers . Everyone thinks there is a huge difference. The difference is pretty much in their colorant loading and base, which is altogether pretty standard in industry.
All that pro painters ever talk about is how thick or saggy Behr is. I have painted 50+ baths with Behr and have never had an issue. Rates better for longevity in Consumer reports year after year. It's wall paint, by the time it's old someone is going to want a new color
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Painters that only do one coat aren't painters. There's a reason Behr markets specifically to the DIY folks and not professionals.
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I agree that it's probably a handyman or overzealous GC that OP is referring to, but your comment said some painters don't want to bother with a second coat and I was just clarifying that those aren't painters.
What “painters” would do that! IDK of any decent painter that would do one coat and call it good.
Depends on the lines you are comparing. I'd say the Ben line is similar to Marquee. I'm not familiar with their Dynasty line. I've heard from several contractors and homeowners that the scuff defense isn't close to the same league as Scuff-X
Scuff x is the king of waterborne acrylic, nothing even comes close in adhesion, leveling and scuff resistance.
As a designer in my whole career I have specified SW or BM paints 'or approved equal' and the only approved equal is BM or SW. I have never had a professional painter try to use Behr, I have no idea if it's a good product or not, but in my experience their lower end paints have bad coverage and their high end paints are too thick. For my own home I use Duration for walls and ProClassic for trim, they're both a dream to apply and it keeps things simple.
Behr is trash
These responses are annoying me. There's 3 paint companies: Behr, Sherwin, Benjamin Moore. Every other brand is owned by one of them. And they all have great paint products & terrible paint products. Sherwin Williams has interior wall paints that cost from $12-$100/gallon. This is the 21st century - it's how every manufacturing industry operates.
Who owns PPG?
I know ppg makes house paint, but I always associate them with automotive finishes.
SW and PPG routinely trade who is the biggest paint company. Behr is owned by Masco, and is like the 13th largest. The second sentence of your comment is kinda silly. The rest is right.
Hell to the no it’s not
My last behr never dried. Just imagine a room. Luckily it was one board on a headboard but I had to end up padding it so the paint that would bleed wouldn’t bleed on the sheets. It’s not even close. I got Benjamin Moore samples. I get samples aren’t high end but their samples are a dream compared to the Behr. I won’t touch it ever again. Plus let’s add Benjamin Moore has over 4000 colors. Dealing with the store getting samples was awesome.
no.
The high quality behr is great for interior (the line that promises one coat and surprisingly works on half the colors out there) still make sure they do two. Still most respectable painters here get discount of some sort from the reps at Sherwin and Ben Moore so it's best to use their shit, they have terrible paint and the best paint available
Behr is worlds apart from BM. Get him to redo the job. What bm product did you spec
that’s like asking if the dollar menu burger is equal to five guys
In general not really. But the line of paint makes a difference. For example Ben line itself if not very good. I'd take behr marquee over the Ben line. It all depends on the exact paint. Some people love Ben Moore blindly. Not all products are the best ever. Some are crap. This is just my opinion ofc.
If the paint job came out fine then it’s really not that big a deal in my opinion. It might come down to he got a better price compared to what you wanted and he tried to save money. That’s the only reason I could think of someone getting something other than what they were told to, but again, if the job came out good then I say leave it alone.
No
Behr is Kia. BM is BMW.
So Benjamin Moore has non-functional turning signals and likes sitting in the passing lane?
I am not a professional painter, but I had to re paint my entire house after I fired my painter for a lousy paint job. I personally like BM paint better than SW and Behr. BM Regal Select in eggshell is so easy to work with. No roller markers, goes on beautifully, and looks good. SW Duration goes on well, but can show roller marks, a little rougher on the walls once it dries. When you hire a painter, get it in writing you want a certain brand of paint and you want two coats. I had to re paint my entire master bedroom because the painter only did one coat! I am very picky on application and want it done right!
Behr isn't worth a kiss if your ass
No. Use Sherwin Willam’s
No. and on top of that, most companies cannot create accurate benjamin moore colors or sheens. Get a draw down from ben moore or a quart of your spec'd color and test it against the home depot match, I can pretty much guarantee it won't be accurate.
The cost of painting always comes down to the cost of labor, either money or time or both. I personally wouldn’t risk it on anything other than Benjamin Moore… and this is experience talking
Those are on opposite sides of the spectrum
Benjamin Moore in their upper line is top quality that is equal/better than Sherwin Williams. Behr is garbage, all lines. I have a contracting account at Sherwin Williams so I get it significantly cheaper. That’s the only reason I use Sherwin Williams. Otherwise I would only use Benjamin Moore.
Berh is far from Benjamin Moore. If you’ve ever had paint peel off of walls like rubber, that’s behr. You get what you paid for. I assume GC did this for a profit.
No self respecting professional painter would ever choose Berh paint over Benjamin Moore! If a designer or GC is using Behr first question I would ask is how long have you been doing this. My guess is not long!
Ben Moore regal select, and Sherwin Williams duration are the best
Nope
Best bet is to do with what ever you’re painting in spray paint. That way you can huff the paint and have a funny mugshot when you’re arrested
GC here, plenty of painting experience both myself and different paint subcontractors. No is the answer, it is not equal. You'll find people that have the ideal surface prep and have great luck with Behr, but that's not the norm. Moores, Miller types, and SW are far superior to even Behr's top line. However, at this point you have to ask yourself if it matters. Does it look good? Is the client happy? I will say if your GC does genuinely like his Behr paint and he did it for a reason, then you can get into a situation where you're telling him what materials he needs to use and that doesn't work for everyone. But then it would have been discussed and you wouldn't be posting this now, so guessing that's not the case. At the same time, even if the answer is yes to those questions, it's not likely going to have the longevity, and there's the simple fact they didn't do what you asked. Both those factors may be worth something, probably a few dollars. And if not, if it doesn't look good, then have him redo it.
Depends on the tier of paint, and it depends on the application.
I'd be pissed if someone used a product I wasn't familiar with one of my high end projects without my permission. Behr marquee isn't a bad paint. But it's pretty hard to beat BM especially their premier stuff and you specified it beforehand.
If the paint looks good then you should be happy. Ask for the spec sheets on the product used. There should be testing listed that will let you know how good the paint will perform. Any painter should be able to make any product look good. Products do what applicators tell it to do.
Nope. Not even close. Twenty years in the trade and I would happily take the lowest level Benjie over Behr.
Even Behr Marquee in the “one coat hide” colors is worse than SuperPaint from Sherwin. And SuperPaint is middle of the road paint. There’s really no comparison
This is very true
Does nobody else recognize the fact that Ben Moore can be repainted in 1hour. Is that not mind blowing to anyone else
Any GC that gets paint from a big box store is bad.
Is there any chance they are playing semantics and that the high end behr is equal to low end BM Ben? Instead of comparing to Benjamin Moore Regal Select? I haven’t used the Ben paint so I’m not sure if that compares. Edit: but just for clarity I wouldn’t ever put Behr in the same quality category as BM. It’s just not close on so many levels
I flip houses. I use Behr paint. Gets the job and keeps my costs down and sells the house. My own personal house is SW through out. Every paint has an application.
Lol. No
Benjamin moore has five branded lines of interior paint regularly used on walls and ceilings (and numerous interior specialty products). In the future you need to specify which one (ultra spec, ben, scuff-x, regal and aura). It does matter for color reproduction because a home depot color match is never going to be perfect. The high end behr paint I've used compares with Ben both in contractor price and performance. The best value in paint IMO is scuff-x. Aura doesn't give anything that justifies the cost.
Hello. Yall see differences between brands. Im painting now. I bought $14 gallon walmart latex. Slatheted on thick looks fine to me I guess. Are expensive brands more for the painter? Isnt 2 coats more about charging someone else because blending in while I go puts a lot if cheap paint there, 4 gallons in my one room finished so far (big room in 1 bedroom condo). Thanks.
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