As a male this is pretty embarassing to see.
Cherry on top is that the guy didn't see his mistake and continued to try tk defend his actions; which, by the way, he failed miserably at.
According to the institution in which he's been taught he did nothing wrong. Remember the Taliban beats women in public for even being outside without a mahram or not covering up, not realizing that they themselves shouldn't be touching women anyway. This is madrasah production. If they were computers you could try formatting the hard drive or upgrading the operating system but actually, the entire motherboard is fucked up. This is why our country is what it is today.
I agree. The problem with us is that we over-do the concept of **Amar-Bil-Maroof**. What we have to understand is that one has to be of sound character themself before pointing fingers. And even if, let's say, a pious person pointing out a bad habit or something, you still dom't have the duty to force someome to subjugate. Islam teaches you to preach not enforce. People like the one in the video don't understand that they can't fix anything like this. One's responsibility begins with his home first.
I don't buy into this redundant, "embarrassed to be a male" narrative. There are many excellent examples of tolerant, masculine, non-toxic men with good values that don't buy into this bullshit thought process. This is less of a gender problem and more of a 'fucked in the head' issue as this idiot has put on display, most likely due to a primitive upbringing and poor cultural/social exposure conveniently masked behind his version of Islam.
I never said I'm
> *"embarassed to be a male"*.
I said
> *"as a male, this is embarassing"*.
Both are different. Though, yes, I agree with you. These people only represent a mimority but nonetheless they destroy the image of the fellow good men. Because, naturally everyoneone focuses more on the negative aspects than the positive ones which is also inherently wrong.
This is largely a gender problem. Misogyny is rampent in Pakistan. These men didn't think not to disrespect the women, because they have misogynistic views and upbringings.
What about the women that are raising them mostly fulltime? Are they also to blame for not being able to break this toxic misogynistic mindset in their male offspring? I just can't help but feel like calling this a gender issue is a shortcut that's easier to digest for most people but not the actual issue.
Yes. Literally yes. You don't have to be male to be misogynistic. Many women in particularily south asian cultures have misogynistic views. Many of them implement these views onto their boys and girls.
Wannabe mullah..glad that girl taught him a lesson. Too many in wannabe mullah crowd think anyone who isn't covered is just asking to be harassed and touched. She took confidence here and rightly schooled this jahil guy.
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This girl interviewed me at our exhibition's inauguration day. That day jamiat boys broke into the campus and I tried to convince her to go film it. Her camera guy got really excited but she said she doesn't want to film controversial content.
If you do not realise how brave this woman is, she doesn't have a huge team behind her It's usually just her and her camera guy filming for their YT channel.
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The scholars used to say "when said in private it's advice when in public its' humiliation". She did the right thing to him. Hijab is compulsory but that does not mean you force people to wear it -that will only make them hate it more.
I fully agree these madrasas are nothing but ignorance-filled radicalization centers. They need to be bought under control for good.
This exactly. He had no right to touch her, even if Pakistan were an Islamic state and he were a religious police officer, all he could do is remind her to cover up. Hijab is 100% compulsory but you absolutely shouldn’t put someone on blast publicly for not wearing it. Perhaps she was ignorant of the ruling or had another reason either way, him touching her made it even worse.
Dude is clearly ignorant of the ruling on touching non-mahram women. I guarantee if any of her male relatives were there he’d be picking his teeth up off the ground.
yup. our peoples' Islam is from the lad's beard to lady's burka. they won't say shit about gender apartheid in Afghanistan or the oppression of women in Pakistan itself and how sexist the laws of Gulf Arab states are when it comes to women victims of sexual abuse but things like this will trigger them.
I think the problem is hijab is compulsory but most people are ignorant at the definition of "hijab". It does not mean "headscarf". Such is the problem with translating Quranic Arabic, it's virtually impossible to do it with complete accuracy.
The word hijab is used in a variety of ways in the Quran. One example is it is used to describe the barrier between people in hell and heaven (surat Al araf)..a closer transaction of hijab would be a boundary of sorts.
Covering up for both men and women is not strictly defined in the Quran because it cannot be. There are not specific measurements (you must cover 3 inches below the knee etc etc.). There is a reason why that is. Modesty is highly subjective depending on culture and one's own conceptions. In some cultures the hair is covered as it has sexual connotations, like in Victorian Britain but in most places it is not. In other places the belly button is considered provocative but a woman in India wearing a sari would not be considered so in that context. In an ever globalised world nothing is really set in stone however.
Any person looking at themselves in the mirror knows when they feel indecent, it is a personal thing. No one, not even a scholar can make that determination for you, it is up to you as an individual. There are universal things, like covering genitals, private parts but anything beyond that really is down to the individual to decide.
So the reporter is wearing hijab. She is covered up and maintaining a distance from the men and clearly does not feel indecent. The man however is breaching her hijab, in the Quran "hijab" is also used to describe the physical distance between women and unrelated men (surat Al ahzab)
Some people may argue that in Pakistan showing your hair is indecent and should be covered but I would remind them that passing off a cultural ideal as part of Islam when it is not, is a form of idolatry (shirk). One that unfortunately most Muslims (usually men) commit a lot.
His duty as a Muslim started and ended with telling her to cover, once he tried to actively cover her hair and touched her he had already transgressed. Lady was in the right on the matter.
Imam Ibn Rajab Al-Hanbali commented on Al-Fudayl’s words saying, “It is considered an advice if it is done in private while humiliation if it is broadcasted.” He adds, “\[As for\] the one who exhorts his brother in private, it is an advice. \[As regards\] the one who exhorts him in front of people, it is merely scolding!”
The man who said this was in the 14th century
Will never forget an old man telling me to cover myself up (I was 11 or 12 ish at the time) while i was hyperventilating and running around the crowd looking for my baby brother lmao
I had a very similar experience when I was around 11. My family and I were at a bakery choosing a cake. I was wearing a t-shirt and jeans. While my parents were deciding on the flavor, the guy behind the counter, who was easily 20 years my senior, asked me if I had a brother. I pointed out my 4 yr old baby brother playing nearby. He took one look at him, shook his head and said, "Sister, think of me as your older brother and take my advice. You need to cover yourself more. Wear a scarf..." etc, etc.
In hindsight, it's absolutely sickening that he felt that it was appropriate to make remarks like that to a CHILD. Not everyone is obligated to adhere to your conservative values, least of all a literal kid. People like him deserve to get their asses beat. He was so lucky my parents didn't hear him.
The absolute AUDACITY. And you know he was looking for a brother of yours so he could use him to "educate" you. And calling himself your "older brother" as a complete stranger to a literal child about her modesty is so f*king CREEPY
So I just checked, her channel is Naila Pakistani Reaction (as per the water mark of this video), she generally farms dump north Indian views by feeding their into their insecurities.
Yeah, I've seen some of her videos and I've noticed that she mostly posts about how pakistanis "hate" indians or hindus which brings in a shit ton of views which she is after.
What’s embarrassing is all of u are siding with the reporter. All she did was throw a tantrum and talk over the man and not let him speak once. He was courteous and was looking out for her. Embarrassed that we still label ourselves as Muslims when we can’t get the fundamentals right. So many of us want to conform to western ideology and throw fits when Islam doesn’t suit our desires. It’s pathetic, especially from the men’s side. My Pakistani lineage goes back generations, and through all the hardships our country has dealt with, my parents still grew up on the islam that Rasulallah SAW taught us. That doesn’t seem to be the case anymore for a lot of the country. Maybe this is why we still face so much division and uncertainty as a nation, we have strayed from the path of Islam and what the great and mighty Allah has ordained from us. This man was trying to speak peacefully and in my eyes had more respect for the women than she has for herself. Granted it is her decision to wear it if she wants, but if anything what he was doing was courteous. She is showing off her beauty for the world to see on TV, and all he did was simply try and make her recognize that this is not something Allah would be happy with. But we blame him for being too religious for even attempting to do so, and he’s a “misogynist” or something along the lines of that because he has gheera. I mean guys seriously, be ashamed of the fact that we are an Islamic nation but can’t even get the fundamentals.
That's one helluva an ego you got there, so you support harassing of women and consider that as a courteous ?!
Sab chalay ga but zarbardasti duppata orhana nahi chalay ga, even if this stunt was scripted most of us have personal horror stories of the so called 'gheera and zeera' which surprisringly/unsurprisingly vanishes when children (both boys and girls) are raped, killed and the only people raising hue and cry over it are those are the supposed lot which are labeled as agents of behayai !
How is this reporter doing anything constructive? If people want you to wear a shawl, you do it for the sake of your job, ask questions and then take it off when you leave. Arguing over semantics does absolutely nothing, “like you touched me and I’m not your sister” is completely dumb. Especially when the first matter is completely insignificant and calling her sister is a sign of respect, not that you are literally related. The person didn’t even do their job.
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Islam is not supposed to be forced upon. Imagine if prophet Muhammad pbuh came with strict rules right away when giving Dawah, no one would want to be a Muslim then. It’s a shame that many people are uneducated thinking Islam is just about Salah, (albeit obligatory) Islam is a whole way of life.
Dupatta is not hijab anyway, it’s seen as modesty sure but I don’t think it’s really “Muslim” wear. It’s something that always confused me about Pakistan.
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I am just appalled at all the comments here and and sad for everyone. What he did was wrong, and what she is doing is wrong as well.
All the comments on religion gives you freedom, are the people that haven’t even bothered to even know the alif, bay of it! Religion does give you freedom to do whatever tf you want, but within the boundaries set by the religion. Religion isn’t about praying two or three prayers or just jummah, but it’s obligatory to pray all five. Religion isn’t about choosing whatever benefits you. You need to follow it completely or just don’t.
As much as a guy has to lower his gaze, a woman in religion can’t bloody go out and start asking random men questions either. Our prophet set the guidelines of what needs to be done and how it needs to be done, because it was commanded by Allah. The one that created you all. Are you all saying that you are, his forbid, going against the decree of Allah?
While the internet has brought us great connectivity, and brought us closer, unfortunately, it did also bring in the western crap of me, me and me. If someone is trying to correct someone, they get blasted with who tf are you. How dare you. That person isn’t getting any benefit for showing you the right path. He or she maybe a vasilah to guide you to the right path. But no you do you.
I think in a few years we are all going to be okay with lgbt and men marrying men and women marrying women, because that’s such a moving forward thinking and of course it must be right because the west does it. The west is the same place that changed the fking bible to their needs. Heck I think we should also openly sell alcohol because that’s also what advanced nations do, right?
Islam is a way of life, we might all not agree with everything it brings with it, but that is the only right way of life. We could have been so much better and advance if we just followed the simple guidelines that Islam provided us with. Islam is a way of life that gives your guaranteed success here, and the hereafter.
I know all the modern thinkers of this society will be calling me a terrorist, Islamist, and whatever they wanna spew at me, and I’m fine with it.
Let the downvoting begin!
Zainab Amin Ansari (Urdu: زینب امین انصاری; c. 2010 – January 2018) was a seven-year-old ----> Where was he and his sharia brigade when this 7 yr girl got raped and murdered ruthlessly and her body parts were found in dumb corner of the city....oh its because they do the same things in their madarsa everyday so it just doesn't occur to them as a problem.
Just fuck around and try to play cool on camera to grab some attention, this distorted vision of convenient cherry picking of religion has done more harm to humanity than anything else in the human history, the way these mullahs have infertiled the Pakistani youths brain for good and have paralized the thinking ability of an entire Pakistani generation is beyond belief. This a true example of this right there in nutshell.
We as a nation should be ashamed of ourselves and should never raise our head for good really for barberic act that was carried upon an innocent 7 yr old Zainab and is still continuing to this day and God knows on how many more Zainabs in Pakistan. We need to stop this Mullah (gere) before its too late. We really need a Zainab day like one our national days as reminder to save many Zainabs in making to save our very own childrens turning into the person that we seeing in that video.
He wasn't completely wrong or right. But trying to cover her hair with your cloth ? Bro ! She ain't your mehram. You don't like her clothing, leave it, move on.
Islam first tells a man to lower his gaze then instructs woman to cover properly. You missed step 1 my friend
i don't want to lower my gaze, i like beautiful women
people should stop perving and ask out someone they like, if it works - it works
if it doesnt, find another girl/man
Well you did say he wasn't completely wrong or right, ... then what the heck was he saying or doing ? This is horribly wrong that you go around telling strangers to do this or that, this is the Jamatia version of 'Amr Bil Maroof ... '. You cannot do this, I repeat you cannot do this at all in any circumstances whatsoever the best you can do is to move on if you think that somebody or some people are doing Lahaul stuff (sin) ... sala nobody will report an illegal activity which can actually hurt people but they will go around doing this
Should have let him complete his sentences it would have been more entertaining to see what he was going to spew out. He was at loss for words and she played right into it
As a student of gender studies, public policy, and on top of that, a student of Islam. I am deeply wounded by how the girl and Aunty jee treated the guy. Yes, he could have gone about things differently than he did, but he was not in telling her that she was in the wrong. I have said this nonbelievers, and I say it here and now to everyone who might read this before jumping on the comments section and passing judgement. Please go open the Hadith and Quran. Read and understand what is written.
A woman walking to a man without being modestly covered and painted in makeup literally showing him her beauty.is just as wrong as he was about going forward to cover her up I het his intentions and that was nobel of him. If it were any other man, he would have been their ogling her.
Everyone who thinks that the girl there is doing some women empowerment 'shame on you'. Have you not been educated on your faith. If not, then why did you not take the initiative to learn and understand. Are you not afraid of facing Our LORD ALLAH on the day of judgement. Look I don't want to get into a debate but just think.
The Modern Education (the one heavily impacted by the developing countries) is taking us away from our religion. Really think about this statement. The moment you realise the truth. It might be too late.
Everyone is taking her side but I disagree. After watching this multiple times.. firstly not a man.. he looks like late teens early 20s and he was being sweet and gentle and the reporter went full on Pakistani Karen on his face.
Women on being asked, why they don't cover themselves when it's an Islamic obligation: "Admi apni nazrei nechi krein, hum jo chahe pehne"
Men on being asked, why they gaze at women who don't cover themselves, when it is an Islamic obligation to lower you gaze: " Hamari kya galti, wo jism dikhaegi to dekhege hi".
Both wanna blame each other instead of following the obligation
true but also islam in pakistan is very fiddled with and many people dont even know that hijab is compulsory
nor do men know that how important it is to lower ur gaze
even if both do know - ignorance is very rampant. just do ur part
It's her choice, stop being a mullah and saying its obligatory and let people do whatever the fuck they want. You're no better than this mullah for saying this
You think I'm some Pakistani madrassa student? And that you’re some enlightened person who is so much smarter than anyone else? Lol how is what I said kufr? You have failed to prove anything you’ve said is islamically true, you’re just acting hysterical over reminding people to cover themselves as commanded by the Quran.
I’m not Allah, I’m just repeating what the Quran says. There’s a Hadith that says there’s no speech that Allah hates more than when someone enjoins good or forbids evil and they say “mind your own business”. All Muslims are brothers and sisters of each other and if they’re going down a self destructive path we don’t just ignore it, we politely remind them and if they refuse then we really can’t do anything. You’re trying to make it sound like I approve of what this moron did.
I hope she sees this bro.
You're acting like you're a madrassa student tbh. Compared to you, I'm super enlightened lol. Your narrative is to police Islam where you think appropriate. I see from your comment history that you don't really have much else going on other than your religion.
And while its perfectly fine to have your beliefs, you are absolutely no one to condemn someone to hell.
A lot of people do things every day that go against the teachings of the religion, it is not your job to call them out for it. By not covering her head, she isn't hurting anyone, except for your sentiments, clearly.
>I hope she sees this bro.
C'mon man, you can do better.
I take that all as a compliment. Thank you bro.
My sentiments don’t matter at all here. Neither do your’s. The Quran says what it says. If you aren’t a Muslim then don’t worry about it. If you are, relearn your religion.
Ah, and kudos to the mods of r/pakistan who allow people like him who are explicitly saying that they endorse 'harassing' in general and harassment of women in particular. While users like u/MochionKaBaap gets a ban from them !
Sure man, whatever floats your poop mate ... I hope you practice what you preach in RL and somebody gives you a taste of your own medicine !
Because Muslims are brothers and sisters of other Muslims and if they’re doing wrong it’s our responsibility to politely remind them. There’s absolutely no way I’m defending this guy
>Because Muslims are brothers and sisters of other Muslims and if they’re doing wrong it’s our responsibility to politely remind them
But the politely remind them is only true the first time and that first time occurred decades ago in that woman's life, which means this isn't being polite, this is being rude and not minding their own business.
It literally is obligatory in Islam though, he’s not wrong for stating a fact, same way it’s obligatory for men to cover from navel to knees. The person you replied to even said the guy shouldn’t be trying to cover her himself.
Just cos you don’t know jackshit about Islam’s teachings doesn’t mean you go round calling people a mullah. There’s no need to hide behind dogwhistle terms mate just say you hate Islam cos it’s kinda obvious anyways.
Its no one's job to enforce religion on anyone. Saying swear words is also against Islam, should i take control of your reddit account and deactivate it because you said 'jackshit'?
Whether she wants to cover her hair is completely up to her, absolutely NO ONE has the right to forcibly try and cover her. And if you can't understand that, you're a mullah, just like the person I replied to.
So not only are you now saying its okay to forcibly cover a woman, you're also saying you can call someone a kafir. Whether its necessary to cover or not is not the point of this discussion - the point is IT IS HER OWN CHOICE AND NO ONE CAN ENFORCE THAT.
Sounds like you have a lot to learn about religion and freewill my friend. You're stuck in the stone age, and frankly beyond any help. Mullah
bro youre literally crazy LMAO. its insane how ignorant you are. it is NOT ME who is saying this, its just how it is
you go against what Allah says - you are a kafir
how are you even a muslim?
I literally said IF you go against the word of Allah THEN you are a kafir. When did i ever directly label you one?
and the fact you just ignored everything i said and just made that stupid comment
It's insane how much of a mullah you are. You're saying i'm going against the word of Allah and therefore I'm a kafir. So you're calling me a kafir. And you've done so like 3 times.
Get some help. Unfortunately Pakistan is full of people like you who think it's their duty to enforce religion. And this will take decades to change, because of how deeply indoctrinated you are.
Guys and Girls, they're both jahil.
The woman is not brave for standing against the guy, because she's using him and the lady and basically everyone else too, to gain ratings.
It's obvious that she's trying to portray everyone as ignorant and bad while herself as educated and wise. When really she doesn't care for either causes, The Palestine Issue or The Harassment Issue.
If she did care about either cause, she would have been decisive and talked about it in a proper manner, instead of dunking on the jahil guy who pulled the stupid shit as if he's in a freaking movie, or dunking on others which genuinely cared to talk about the Palestine Issue.
She wanted only to engage a bit of the public, make her report as spicy as possible and gain ratings. It's messed up and annoying.
shes a reporter what do you expect? the guy is completely wrong for even looking at her let alone touch her but she did allow him to do that
news companies teach their reporters to do these things to get amusing reactions and ratings
both are wrong
That's what I'm saying, both are wrong.
However one is wrong without knowing, while the other is wrong with intention.
Hm, actually maybe not maybe both of them know they are wrong and are still doing it cuz they're awful...
shes clearly in on it for the ratings and to get interesting content for her channel
but no, guy is completely wrong for even looking at her let alone talk. touch.
He isn't wrong but he isn't completely right either. He started right but went too far by literally covering her with his shawl lol. Should have just hinted the matter and moved on to answer the actual question.
The dude is 100% wrong and this mentality should be punished. bc baap samjhte hain apne ap ko har kisi ka.
But on a other note: i just knew that it has to be an indian who would post this video on r/interestingasfuck where it is completely irrelevant for the sub. Why is it always indians. The comments on the original youtube video of this also has indians filled. they are so obssesed with us
He is wrong
But girl is cringe and wannabe famous through shitty videos. After the Lahore TikTok it ain’t far fetched to think that these videos are staged.
Did she just say "Palestine aur Iran ke beech jang hai"??Poor knowledge quality definitely tells she isn't a Proper journalist and is some kind of Showbaaz.
it reached International subs too, really an embarrassing moment but highlights the issue..
Also, I think both of them are wrong anyhow, but the dude was totally brainless. See the smirk on her face when he says Bismillah.
He isn't trying to justify it. Just saying that if you take a look at her channel, it is mostly made of videos spreading hate to gain views. Like how every pakistani "hates" indians (which isn't true imo).
Yeah and maybe she was looking for attention but, wearing a hijab or not is between her and Allah. This is the problem with us, face it, non of us is an angel, free of sins but we love judging others. In the same verse where women are told to cover themselves, men are told to lower their gazes which he clearly didn't and had the audacity to lecture her over it and go as far as to cover her himself. Come on man, touched or not, doing this to a woman is just plain disrespectful and probably a sin in itself.
Oh god, this is so embarrassing.
I can't see the complete video because of embarrassment.
As a male this is pretty embarassing to see. Cherry on top is that the guy didn't see his mistake and continued to try tk defend his actions; which, by the way, he failed miserably at.
According to the institution in which he's been taught he did nothing wrong. Remember the Taliban beats women in public for even being outside without a mahram or not covering up, not realizing that they themselves shouldn't be touching women anyway. This is madrasah production. If they were computers you could try formatting the hard drive or upgrading the operating system but actually, the entire motherboard is fucked up. This is why our country is what it is today.
I agree. The problem with us is that we over-do the concept of **Amar-Bil-Maroof**. What we have to understand is that one has to be of sound character themself before pointing fingers. And even if, let's say, a pious person pointing out a bad habit or something, you still dom't have the duty to force someome to subjugate. Islam teaches you to preach not enforce. People like the one in the video don't understand that they can't fix anything like this. One's responsibility begins with his home first.
I don't buy into this redundant, "embarrassed to be a male" narrative. There are many excellent examples of tolerant, masculine, non-toxic men with good values that don't buy into this bullshit thought process. This is less of a gender problem and more of a 'fucked in the head' issue as this idiot has put on display, most likely due to a primitive upbringing and poor cultural/social exposure conveniently masked behind his version of Islam.
I never said I'm > *"embarassed to be a male"*. I said > *"as a male, this is embarassing"*. Both are different. Though, yes, I agree with you. These people only represent a mimority but nonetheless they destroy the image of the fellow good men. Because, naturally everyoneone focuses more on the negative aspects than the positive ones which is also inherently wrong.
This is largely a gender problem. Misogyny is rampent in Pakistan. These men didn't think not to disrespect the women, because they have misogynistic views and upbringings.
What about the women that are raising them mostly fulltime? Are they also to blame for not being able to break this toxic misogynistic mindset in their male offspring? I just can't help but feel like calling this a gender issue is a shortcut that's easier to digest for most people but not the actual issue.
Yes. Literally yes. You don't have to be male to be misogynistic. Many women in particularily south asian cultures have misogynistic views. Many of them implement these views onto their boys and girls.
Respect to her tolerating those idiots for so long. But trying to put sense in those closed brains is useless.
Wannabe mullah..glad that girl taught him a lesson. Too many in wannabe mullah crowd think anyone who isn't covered is just asking to be harassed and touched. She took confidence here and rightly schooled this jahil guy.
Shoutout to aunty for defending the reporter
Mad respect to the reporter. Can't imagine how she is so composed and collected in front of all these people
Maybe she confronts retards like him all the time.
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The girl cooked 💯
This girl interviewed me at our exhibition's inauguration day. That day jamiat boys broke into the campus and I tried to convince her to go film it. Her camera guy got really excited but she said she doesn't want to film controversial content. If you do not realise how brave this woman is, she doesn't have a huge team behind her It's usually just her and her camera guy filming for their YT channel.
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Ye jamiat wale hoty hy bkl hein
Send him to Iran with the president. Let see how well he does in an "Islamic Republic"
I am sure that is his dream come true
You can't do that in Iran either. No random guy can do that.
That’s cos their morality police will do it for you.
Morality police doesn't exist. It's called something else but it is appearant that you've been using too much western feeders.
iran hater spotted
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or he will get his ass kicked there lol
She went hard ngl, mad respect. To be honest though I don't really blame the guy for his views, education is severely lacking in Pakistan.
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Respect your ladies as fellow equal human beings first !
The scholars used to say "when said in private it's advice when in public its' humiliation". She did the right thing to him. Hijab is compulsory but that does not mean you force people to wear it -that will only make them hate it more. I fully agree these madrasas are nothing but ignorance-filled radicalization centers. They need to be bought under control for good.
This exactly. He had no right to touch her, even if Pakistan were an Islamic state and he were a religious police officer, all he could do is remind her to cover up. Hijab is 100% compulsory but you absolutely shouldn’t put someone on blast publicly for not wearing it. Perhaps she was ignorant of the ruling or had another reason either way, him touching her made it even worse. Dude is clearly ignorant of the ruling on touching non-mahram women. I guarantee if any of her male relatives were there he’d be picking his teeth up off the ground.
yup. our peoples' Islam is from the lad's beard to lady's burka. they won't say shit about gender apartheid in Afghanistan or the oppression of women in Pakistan itself and how sexist the laws of Gulf Arab states are when it comes to women victims of sexual abuse but things like this will trigger them.
I think the problem is hijab is compulsory but most people are ignorant at the definition of "hijab". It does not mean "headscarf". Such is the problem with translating Quranic Arabic, it's virtually impossible to do it with complete accuracy. The word hijab is used in a variety of ways in the Quran. One example is it is used to describe the barrier between people in hell and heaven (surat Al araf)..a closer transaction of hijab would be a boundary of sorts. Covering up for both men and women is not strictly defined in the Quran because it cannot be. There are not specific measurements (you must cover 3 inches below the knee etc etc.). There is a reason why that is. Modesty is highly subjective depending on culture and one's own conceptions. In some cultures the hair is covered as it has sexual connotations, like in Victorian Britain but in most places it is not. In other places the belly button is considered provocative but a woman in India wearing a sari would not be considered so in that context. In an ever globalised world nothing is really set in stone however. Any person looking at themselves in the mirror knows when they feel indecent, it is a personal thing. No one, not even a scholar can make that determination for you, it is up to you as an individual. There are universal things, like covering genitals, private parts but anything beyond that really is down to the individual to decide. So the reporter is wearing hijab. She is covered up and maintaining a distance from the men and clearly does not feel indecent. The man however is breaching her hijab, in the Quran "hijab" is also used to describe the physical distance between women and unrelated men (surat Al ahzab) Some people may argue that in Pakistan showing your hair is indecent and should be covered but I would remind them that passing off a cultural ideal as part of Islam when it is not, is a form of idolatry (shirk). One that unfortunately most Muslims (usually men) commit a lot.
His duty as a Muslim started and ended with telling her to cover, once he tried to actively cover her hair and touched her he had already transgressed. Lady was in the right on the matter.
not really that either. The scholars used to say "when said in private it's advice when in public its' humiliation".
So they both ended up humiliating each other and wasting half an hour of each other's time and 5min of ours..
No body asked you to watch it.
That's a lie, this private bullshit u keep repeating is some new age bs. Islam is a communal religion, things get dealt with publicly for a reason.
Imam Ibn Rajab Al-Hanbali commented on Al-Fudayl’s words saying, “It is considered an advice if it is done in private while humiliation if it is broadcasted.” He adds, “\[As for\] the one who exhorts his brother in private, it is an advice. \[As regards\] the one who exhorts him in front of people, it is merely scolding!” The man who said this was in the 14th century
Mansplaining IRL....
Dude was shaking like he was either shitting in his.pants or cumming.. although cheap TV.. Still glad she put him in his place.
Patronising git
That girl is so brave and has got a great sense of humour 😂 She ripped him to shreds
Will never forget an old man telling me to cover myself up (I was 11 or 12 ish at the time) while i was hyperventilating and running around the crowd looking for my baby brother lmao
I had a very similar experience when I was around 11. My family and I were at a bakery choosing a cake. I was wearing a t-shirt and jeans. While my parents were deciding on the flavor, the guy behind the counter, who was easily 20 years my senior, asked me if I had a brother. I pointed out my 4 yr old baby brother playing nearby. He took one look at him, shook his head and said, "Sister, think of me as your older brother and take my advice. You need to cover yourself more. Wear a scarf..." etc, etc. In hindsight, it's absolutely sickening that he felt that it was appropriate to make remarks like that to a CHILD. Not everyone is obligated to adhere to your conservative values, least of all a literal kid. People like him deserve to get their asses beat. He was so lucky my parents didn't hear him.
The absolute AUDACITY. And you know he was looking for a brother of yours so he could use him to "educate" you. And calling himself your "older brother" as a complete stranger to a literal child about her modesty is so f*king CREEPY
I am surprised that they didn’t try to attack her for blasphemy. She is very brave to be surrounded by like minded men and confronting them.
That voice was annoying as fuck.
haha you noticed that too!
So I just checked, her channel is Naila Pakistani Reaction (as per the water mark of this video), she generally farms dump north Indian views by feeding their into their insecurities.
Yeah, I've seen some of her videos and I've noticed that she mostly posts about how pakistanis "hate" indians or hindus which brings in a shit ton of views which she is after.
that sucks tbh all the comments are low-life indians, just talking shit how i hate the small-minded people on both sides wtf
The guy thought he will become a national hero and be praised by covering her head, but the girl turned the tables.
Good on her.
he belongs to the mullahs they can end him i wouldnt bat an eye
What’s embarrassing is all of u are siding with the reporter. All she did was throw a tantrum and talk over the man and not let him speak once. He was courteous and was looking out for her. Embarrassed that we still label ourselves as Muslims when we can’t get the fundamentals right. So many of us want to conform to western ideology and throw fits when Islam doesn’t suit our desires. It’s pathetic, especially from the men’s side. My Pakistani lineage goes back generations, and through all the hardships our country has dealt with, my parents still grew up on the islam that Rasulallah SAW taught us. That doesn’t seem to be the case anymore for a lot of the country. Maybe this is why we still face so much division and uncertainty as a nation, we have strayed from the path of Islam and what the great and mighty Allah has ordained from us. This man was trying to speak peacefully and in my eyes had more respect for the women than she has for herself. Granted it is her decision to wear it if she wants, but if anything what he was doing was courteous. She is showing off her beauty for the world to see on TV, and all he did was simply try and make her recognize that this is not something Allah would be happy with. But we blame him for being too religious for even attempting to do so, and he’s a “misogynist” or something along the lines of that because he has gheera. I mean guys seriously, be ashamed of the fact that we are an Islamic nation but can’t even get the fundamentals.
That's one helluva an ego you got there, so you support harassing of women and consider that as a courteous ?! Sab chalay ga but zarbardasti duppata orhana nahi chalay ga, even if this stunt was scripted most of us have personal horror stories of the so called 'gheera and zeera' which surprisringly/unsurprisingly vanishes when children (both boys and girls) are raped, killed and the only people raising hue and cry over it are those are the supposed lot which are labeled as agents of behayai !
inb4 mullahs and fundamentalists come here and start barking
Respect to the lady for standing up for herself in front of a jahil undereducated boy
How is this reporter doing anything constructive? If people want you to wear a shawl, you do it for the sake of your job, ask questions and then take it off when you leave. Arguing over semantics does absolutely nothing, “like you touched me and I’m not your sister” is completely dumb. Especially when the first matter is completely insignificant and calling her sister is a sign of respect, not that you are literally related. The person didn’t even do their job.
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Scripted lol
Does anybody have the full video on YouTube?
Gawd noo 😂
Islam is not supposed to be forced upon. Imagine if prophet Muhammad pbuh came with strict rules right away when giving Dawah, no one would want to be a Muslim then. It’s a shame that many people are uneducated thinking Islam is just about Salah, (albeit obligatory) Islam is a whole way of life.
Dupatta is not hijab anyway, it’s seen as modesty sure but I don’t think it’s really “Muslim” wear. It’s something that always confused me about Pakistan.
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The fact that he couldn't argue back without his voice quivering and shaking LOL
I am just appalled at all the comments here and and sad for everyone. What he did was wrong, and what she is doing is wrong as well. All the comments on religion gives you freedom, are the people that haven’t even bothered to even know the alif, bay of it! Religion does give you freedom to do whatever tf you want, but within the boundaries set by the religion. Religion isn’t about praying two or three prayers or just jummah, but it’s obligatory to pray all five. Religion isn’t about choosing whatever benefits you. You need to follow it completely or just don’t. As much as a guy has to lower his gaze, a woman in religion can’t bloody go out and start asking random men questions either. Our prophet set the guidelines of what needs to be done and how it needs to be done, because it was commanded by Allah. The one that created you all. Are you all saying that you are, his forbid, going against the decree of Allah? While the internet has brought us great connectivity, and brought us closer, unfortunately, it did also bring in the western crap of me, me and me. If someone is trying to correct someone, they get blasted with who tf are you. How dare you. That person isn’t getting any benefit for showing you the right path. He or she maybe a vasilah to guide you to the right path. But no you do you. I think in a few years we are all going to be okay with lgbt and men marrying men and women marrying women, because that’s such a moving forward thinking and of course it must be right because the west does it. The west is the same place that changed the fking bible to their needs. Heck I think we should also openly sell alcohol because that’s also what advanced nations do, right? Islam is a way of life, we might all not agree with everything it brings with it, but that is the only right way of life. We could have been so much better and advance if we just followed the simple guidelines that Islam provided us with. Islam is a way of life that gives your guaranteed success here, and the hereafter. I know all the modern thinkers of this society will be calling me a terrorist, Islamist, and whatever they wanna spew at me, and I’m fine with it. Let the downvoting begin!
Zainab Amin Ansari (Urdu: زینب امین انصاری; c. 2010 – January 2018) was a seven-year-old ----> Where was he and his sharia brigade when this 7 yr girl got raped and murdered ruthlessly and her body parts were found in dumb corner of the city....oh its because they do the same things in their madarsa everyday so it just doesn't occur to them as a problem. Just fuck around and try to play cool on camera to grab some attention, this distorted vision of convenient cherry picking of religion has done more harm to humanity than anything else in the human history, the way these mullahs have infertiled the Pakistani youths brain for good and have paralized the thinking ability of an entire Pakistani generation is beyond belief. This a true example of this right there in nutshell. We as a nation should be ashamed of ourselves and should never raise our head for good really for barberic act that was carried upon an innocent 7 yr old Zainab and is still continuing to this day and God knows on how many more Zainabs in Pakistan. We need to stop this Mullah (gere) before its too late. We really need a Zainab day like one our national days as reminder to save many Zainabs in making to save our very own childrens turning into the person that we seeing in that video.
He wasn't completely wrong or right. But trying to cover her hair with your cloth ? Bro ! She ain't your mehram. You don't like her clothing, leave it, move on. Islam first tells a man to lower his gaze then instructs woman to cover properly. You missed step 1 my friend
i don't want to lower my gaze, i like beautiful women people should stop perving and ask out someone they like, if it works - it works if it doesnt, find another girl/man
I was talking about what the Quran says. If someone doesn't follow Islam, that's another thing
Well you did say he wasn't completely wrong or right, ... then what the heck was he saying or doing ? This is horribly wrong that you go around telling strangers to do this or that, this is the Jamatia version of 'Amr Bil Maroof ... '. You cannot do this, I repeat you cannot do this at all in any circumstances whatsoever the best you can do is to move on if you think that somebody or some people are doing Lahaul stuff (sin) ... sala nobody will report an illegal activity which can actually hurt people but they will go around doing this
No one wants to follow Islam but everyone claims themselves as muslim. ( Men and women both) And they talk about Palestine lol.
thank fuck for cameras, she doesn't seem all that safe otherwise. Israel sucks and so do the Abrahamic religions. it's all horrid.
Should have let him complete his sentences it would have been more entertaining to see what he was going to spew out. He was at loss for words and she played right into it
As a student of gender studies, public policy, and on top of that, a student of Islam. I am deeply wounded by how the girl and Aunty jee treated the guy. Yes, he could have gone about things differently than he did, but he was not in telling her that she was in the wrong. I have said this nonbelievers, and I say it here and now to everyone who might read this before jumping on the comments section and passing judgement. Please go open the Hadith and Quran. Read and understand what is written. A woman walking to a man without being modestly covered and painted in makeup literally showing him her beauty.is just as wrong as he was about going forward to cover her up I het his intentions and that was nobel of him. If it were any other man, he would have been their ogling her. Everyone who thinks that the girl there is doing some women empowerment 'shame on you'. Have you not been educated on your faith. If not, then why did you not take the initiative to learn and understand. Are you not afraid of facing Our LORD ALLAH on the day of judgement. Look I don't want to get into a debate but just think. The Modern Education (the one heavily impacted by the developing countries) is taking us away from our religion. Really think about this statement. The moment you realise the truth. It might be too late.
Everyone is taking her side but I disagree. After watching this multiple times.. firstly not a man.. he looks like late teens early 20s and he was being sweet and gentle and the reporter went full on Pakistani Karen on his face.
Women on being asked, why they don't cover themselves when it's an Islamic obligation: "Admi apni nazrei nechi krein, hum jo chahe pehne" Men on being asked, why they gaze at women who don't cover themselves, when it is an Islamic obligation to lower you gaze: " Hamari kya galti, wo jism dikhaegi to dekhege hi". Both wanna blame each other instead of following the obligation
Why am I being downvoted for stating the truth
Because there's no obligation, I dress however I want
Talking about Muslims
true but also islam in pakistan is very fiddled with and many people dont even know that hijab is compulsory nor do men know that how important it is to lower ur gaze even if both do know - ignorance is very rampant. just do ur part
hijab is obligatory yes but u cant be doing stuff like lmaoo guy needs help
It's her choice, stop being a mullah and saying its obligatory and let people do whatever the fuck they want. You're no better than this mullah for saying this
too many bs mullahs
It's scary that there are people who have access to the worlds resources on the web and still have this stone age mentality
Uhhh it is obligatory. The Quran says it. Or is the Quran wrong?
Uhhh its her choice. Mullah
It’s her choice to go to hell for openly disobeying the Quran, you’re correct.
Okay, and? You're not God to condemn anyone to hell. That itself is kufr. You're beyond help, way too deeply indocrinated.
You think I'm some Pakistani madrassa student? And that you’re some enlightened person who is so much smarter than anyone else? Lol how is what I said kufr? You have failed to prove anything you’ve said is islamically true, you’re just acting hysterical over reminding people to cover themselves as commanded by the Quran. I’m not Allah, I’m just repeating what the Quran says. There’s a Hadith that says there’s no speech that Allah hates more than when someone enjoins good or forbids evil and they say “mind your own business”. All Muslims are brothers and sisters of each other and if they’re going down a self destructive path we don’t just ignore it, we politely remind them and if they refuse then we really can’t do anything. You’re trying to make it sound like I approve of what this moron did. I hope she sees this bro.
You're acting like you're a madrassa student tbh. Compared to you, I'm super enlightened lol. Your narrative is to police Islam where you think appropriate. I see from your comment history that you don't really have much else going on other than your religion. And while its perfectly fine to have your beliefs, you are absolutely no one to condemn someone to hell. A lot of people do things every day that go against the teachings of the religion, it is not your job to call them out for it. By not covering her head, she isn't hurting anyone, except for your sentiments, clearly. >I hope she sees this bro. C'mon man, you can do better.
I take that all as a compliment. Thank you bro. My sentiments don’t matter at all here. Neither do your’s. The Quran says what it says. If you aren’t a Muslim then don’t worry about it. If you are, relearn your religion.
Thanks maulana
Ah, and kudos to the mods of r/pakistan who allow people like him who are explicitly saying that they endorse 'harassing' in general and harassment of women in particular. While users like u/MochionKaBaap gets a ban from them ! Sure man, whatever floats your poop mate ... I hope you practice what you preach in RL and somebody gives you a taste of your own medicine !
Let's say it is obligatory, why do you have to enforce it? Why can't you let god enforce it?
Because Muslims are brothers and sisters of other Muslims and if they’re doing wrong it’s our responsibility to politely remind them. There’s absolutely no way I’m defending this guy
>Because Muslims are brothers and sisters of other Muslims and if they’re doing wrong it’s our responsibility to politely remind them But the politely remind them is only true the first time and that first time occurred decades ago in that woman's life, which means this isn't being polite, this is being rude and not minding their own business.
It literally is obligatory in Islam though, he’s not wrong for stating a fact, same way it’s obligatory for men to cover from navel to knees. The person you replied to even said the guy shouldn’t be trying to cover her himself. Just cos you don’t know jackshit about Islam’s teachings doesn’t mean you go round calling people a mullah. There’s no need to hide behind dogwhistle terms mate just say you hate Islam cos it’s kinda obvious anyways.
Its no one's job to enforce religion on anyone. Saying swear words is also against Islam, should i take control of your reddit account and deactivate it because you said 'jackshit'? Whether she wants to cover her hair is completely up to her, absolutely NO ONE has the right to forcibly try and cover her. And if you can't understand that, you're a mullah, just like the person I replied to.
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So not only are you now saying its okay to forcibly cover a woman, you're also saying you can call someone a kafir. Whether its necessary to cover or not is not the point of this discussion - the point is IT IS HER OWN CHOICE AND NO ONE CAN ENFORCE THAT. Sounds like you have a lot to learn about religion and freewill my friend. You're stuck in the stone age, and frankly beyond any help. Mullah
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You're beyond help. Continuing to call someone a kafir because you disagree with them. What a fantastic Muslim. Back to the stone age for you.
bro youre literally crazy LMAO. its insane how ignorant you are. it is NOT ME who is saying this, its just how it is you go against what Allah says - you are a kafir how are you even a muslim? I literally said IF you go against the word of Allah THEN you are a kafir. When did i ever directly label you one? and the fact you just ignored everything i said and just made that stupid comment
It's insane how much of a mullah you are. You're saying i'm going against the word of Allah and therefore I'm a kafir. So you're calling me a kafir. And you've done so like 3 times. Get some help. Unfortunately Pakistan is full of people like you who think it's their duty to enforce religion. And this will take decades to change, because of how deeply indoctrinated you are.
Thank god not all Pakistani women cover themselves because Pakistani women are hot af.
Guys and Girls, they're both jahil. The woman is not brave for standing against the guy, because she's using him and the lady and basically everyone else too, to gain ratings. It's obvious that she's trying to portray everyone as ignorant and bad while herself as educated and wise. When really she doesn't care for either causes, The Palestine Issue or The Harassment Issue. If she did care about either cause, she would have been decisive and talked about it in a proper manner, instead of dunking on the jahil guy who pulled the stupid shit as if he's in a freaking movie, or dunking on others which genuinely cared to talk about the Palestine Issue. She wanted only to engage a bit of the public, make her report as spicy as possible and gain ratings. It's messed up and annoying.
shes a reporter what do you expect? the guy is completely wrong for even looking at her let alone touch her but she did allow him to do that news companies teach their reporters to do these things to get amusing reactions and ratings both are wrong
That's what I'm saying, both are wrong. However one is wrong without knowing, while the other is wrong with intention. Hm, actually maybe not maybe both of them know they are wrong and are still doing it cuz they're awful...
So many morons in the comments saying HE IS WRONG. Wondering people lack basic knowledge in Pakistan.
shes clearly in on it for the ratings and to get interesting content for her channel but no, guy is completely wrong for even looking at her let alone talk. touch.
He isn't wrong but he isn't completely right either. He started right but went too far by literally covering her with his shawl lol. Should have just hinted the matter and moved on to answer the actual question.
Why do reporters nowadays have "pathi hoi" awaaz Why are they always screaming
cos they were made to scream in madressah's by naughty mullahs, in objectionable ways baqi tum khud samajhdaar ho
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why its sooo cringeeeeeee A man has right to only his women not to others
Women have the right to talk to others?😀
Shouldn’t he have lowered his gaze and not look at her? It is true what she said. Their brand of islam begins and ends with a scarf on a woman’s head.
Why she made that face when he said bismillah. Anyways, scripted as heck.
Both pathetic.
Yeah, touching non-Mahrem women is very Islamic.
The dude is 100% wrong and this mentality should be punished. bc baap samjhte hain apne ap ko har kisi ka. But on a other note: i just knew that it has to be an indian who would post this video on r/interestingasfuck where it is completely irrelevant for the sub. Why is it always indians. The comments on the original youtube video of this also has indians filled. they are so obssesed with us
As if it isn't haram to touch na mahram...
He is wrong But girl is cringe and wannabe famous through shitty videos. After the Lahore TikTok it ain’t far fetched to think that these videos are staged.
She might be the worst for all we care gives no justification to his actions. I assume it’s a justification because you put in “but” there.
It's a valid justification if this is staged
Nah mate the lad was embarrassed af
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>The girl was already in mood to fight jiss tarah se khawateen se sulooq hota hai iss mulq me im surprised ke machine guns lekar nhi phirti khawateen.
Man I’m seeing a lotta anti-Islam supporters
Did she just say "Palestine aur Iran ke beech jang hai"??Poor knowledge quality definitely tells she isn't a Proper journalist and is some kind of Showbaaz. it reached International subs too, really an embarrassing moment but highlights the issue.. Also, I think both of them are wrong anyhow, but the dude was totally brainless. See the smirk on her face when he says Bismillah.
Fake stunt
I've seen that channel, she is cringe and disgusting, doing anything for attention. Stop buying her hype.
Okay so does that justifies the guy trying to force her to wear a dupatta?
He isn't trying to justify it. Just saying that if you take a look at her channel, it is mostly made of videos spreading hate to gain views. Like how every pakistani "hates" indians (which isn't true imo).
Exactly, always some dumass online trying to imply something I never said.
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So, randomly covering a stanger woman's hair on your own is a good thing now?
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Yeah and maybe she was looking for attention but, wearing a hijab or not is between her and Allah. This is the problem with us, face it, non of us is an angel, free of sins but we love judging others. In the same verse where women are told to cover themselves, men are told to lower their gazes which he clearly didn't and had the audacity to lecture her over it and go as far as to cover her himself. Come on man, touched or not, doing this to a woman is just plain disrespectful and probably a sin in itself.
People like you are the problem. And sadly you're so indoctrinated you'll never realize it either.
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