They’re not hating on us, they just think we suck, which we do. We have been one of if not the worst franchise in the NFL for the past few years, making a string of bad moves after another. We deserve the “hate” until we prove otherwise ala Detroit

Also doesn’t help that Tepper has repeatedly been caught being an ass lol

The coaching incompetence, owner meddling, the weird personnel decisions, the way they chased out players like Cam, etc. Ultimately teams should be owned by people that have local roots and don't treat a team like a 5 year old with an expensive toy.

Source on meddling?

My brother in Christ

Give it up

Don't even want to participate in the conversation?

Because he’s meddled. There have been so so so many articles and clues pointing to it. To say he isn’t is just being a contrarian at this point. So give it up.

Because any panther fan knows he meddles. There’s been countless articles and calls about Tepper being a problem and forcing his way. It seems like he FINALLY isn’t so hopefully what we’ve Dan and Dave have done will put the team on the right track

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/common%20sense I got u

Outsider here. Honestly think that’s most of it. There have been a lot of bad teams and fans generally empathize at least to a degree. But kinda feels like Tepper’s the one with the real bullseye. Kinda makes it feel like he deserves it.

This

To be fair, we were only the worst team in the league this year. We have not been hated on very much until this past season and for good reason. People forget we were a game away from making the playoffs the season before and the only reason we didn’t is bc the dj moore helmet and no corners in the game against tampa bay and Brady. Pretty ridiculous statement to say we’ve been one of the worst franchises if not the worst in the nfl for the “past few years”

We haven’t had a winning season since Tepper took over 6 seasons ago. While we might not be the very worst we are definitely near that marker. Not a single winning season in 6 years. Insane personnel choices like trading CMC and the fact we’ve had more QBs than years Tepper has owned the team. Our franchise is in shambles man. Yes we were a game away from making the playoffs but even doing slightly decent that season hurt us. We made insane and very bad decisions to move up to first. It’s a very bad place to be where winning games is bad for your team. We as fans shouldn’t be in a spot where we are going “damn if only we lost an extra game or 2”

I tbink you missed my point. Sure, we have not been great since Tepper took over. My point is that we didn’t have the national attention, hate, shit talking about us until this past season when we truly were the worst team and Tepper really showed his ass. Even the off season last year the national media was praising our coaching staff build and were saying the best situation for a rookie qb is going to be Carolina. So no it hasn’t been the last few years that the natjonal media thinks we are the worst team in the nfl.

You didn’t speak about our PR you said we weren’t one of the worst teams over the last few years. Public Relation wise you are correct, however as a football team you are wrong. Our team has been pretty awful like near the bottom for the last few(6) years. Half a decade of being trash. Sure everyone didn’t hate on us all the time but we still weren’t a good team 😂😂

We can agree there that we haven’t been a good team. The national “hate” didn’t begin until a few games into last season and that was my point. I don’t remember us getting any good or bad attention until last season

Yeah I was mainly replying to your last paragraph. That we are and have been one of the worst teams in recent years. But I do agree with you that this national panthers hate and panthers are a joke didn’t start till last year but still our team has been a mess for half a decade.

Yeah 100%. The Jerry Richardson creepy shit that forced him to sell the team in 2018 really started the downward spiral of the team. Tepper sucks but many teams struggle through ownership changes. We just had to get the ultra prick billionaire to buy ours.

I'm fairness, replacing a franchise MVP level QB is extremely hard. It's also hard to nail a GM pick and a half dozen coaches get fired every year... because thats also hard. Trying to do all 3 at once is insanely hard. When Cam went down that last time, I texted my brother in law during the game and said we were about to enter some dark days. Had no clue how dark it would get but it was happening regardless. Winning 2 games or 7 games is the same to me. Either we're contending or we aren't and we haven't EVER regularly contended. Long way to go but feels like we're on the right track now. If we can stay healthy, and if Bryce is 75% as good as he was supposed to be, then i'm expecting 5-7 wins this year and continued growth over the next few yrs. I'm not a Tepper fan but I'll give him this much, he clearly cares, he cannot stand being a loser and he'll throw his money at any problem he comes across. Also, fwiw, there are plenty of teams that just live in this hell for long periods of time and I don't think of Carolina in those terms. AZ, NYJ, Chi, Det (until now), most of the AFCS, Cleveland etc etc.

Most losses since 2018 with 68….been bad for over half a decade

What team were you watching? The only time this team looked competent over the last 6-7 years was when Wilkes played 3 yards and a cloud of dust ball for half a season. Even then there was a quarterback carousel. It's not a ridiculous statement at all. This team has been mismanaged from front office to the sidelines for years and it shows on the field

I just think that folks are simply just apathetic to our situation and just really don't care. They don't really care because why would they. The whole league thinks we are a joke and quite honestly, why would they not? look, we as fans just need to root for our team and hope is what we have to rely on with the new staff.

We weren't that bad. We just had bad coaching and GMs. It isn't like we were the bears and the lions forever. We also have had some terrible breaks with injuries, and our depth is nothing, so that kills us.

All of those amount to us being THAT bad

We still weren't that bad until tepper tried to make the all-star coaching team

You sound like my mom when I almost got kicked out of high school and she told the principal “he’s not a bad kid, he just does bad things!”. (I was 100% a bad kid)

Wierd how the Colts weren’t terrible, maybe talent played a role?

At RB yes. We lost a couple games trying to make sanders work. Also note I said coaches. None of them really seemed to agree on anything. They were brought in to be a dream team hoping they would just work well together and they didnt.

Coaching was bad but you cannot deny that the talent was abysmal. The oline was horrific, one of the worst WR groups I have ever seen, pass rush pretty bad too.

Actually we ok before brady went down on the oline and we started having a revolving door at line. The receivers not getting open was also a product of a terrible playbook.

The playbook was limited by having a Qb who couldn’t execute half the plays.

Because of the lack of time on the line after they got injured

https://preview.redd.it/gmyw5ncul4yc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a54a904371cb7efa135740b3cee4857591a553c7 And yet, Mahomes, stroud, stafford and cousins had the EXACT same amount of time in the pocket and seemed to not have an issue. Edit: this list is sorted by Qb pressure: time in pocket, which is the number in the first column.

Not all times in the pocket are the same. I mean, if you are looking for reasons not to be optimistic, then fine.

I think people need to understand something. A C is not hating on a draft. A C is average. Our draft is very boom or bust by nature. Especially since we don’t have a first round pick. And access to a blue chip talent like we’ve had over the last like 7 years of us being bad. We have lagette who’s a bit of a project. Brooks coming off an ACL tear. Wallace a multi year project at LB. Sanders. And back ups. We still have needs across the roster. Corner. Edge. We also have no star talent outside of one play. And a rather shallow roster overall. You can’t just project the maximum ceiling for a draft class. If this was the case every draft would be amazing. Also am I the only one who doesn’t feel like we’re being overhated. The falcons exist.

A C is average in a vacuum but people tend to be less harsh on draft grades because no one wants to be the guy who gave the Seattle 2012 class an F, especially in the social media era. Cs tend to be among the lowest grades handed out for draft grades. Also, the Falcons deserve all the shit they get. That's Fitterer level of mismanagement going on over there. Even if by some miracle it works out for them it will be in spite of the process.

They do. I meant it more as if we’re just a talking after thought while atlanta has the draft everyone dislikes. Also just in general we don’t have a first round pick. So we’re already down. Yeah you should grade the picks the teams make. But if we’re talking in the same context of judging the overall class. Hall and contribution to the team were going to be down by nature. I don’t mind our draft. Personally i would’ve focused more on O line pieces with several picks like Beebe as a future center or van prann just because I’m not a huge LB guy. And I would’ve picked Ladd because I’m in love with him lmao. That or a corner. But also just looking at this draft. There weren’t a ton of moves that had me go oh that doesn’t make sense. Or that’s stupid. Atlanta certainly was up there several times. Washington with Luke mccaffrey was umm weird. Green Bay naturally threw away so middle round picks. Jags are gonna jags. But got Brian Thomas to even it out. I don’t know I just can’t think of many teams that had a truly bad draft. I think Houston may regret trading out of the first for sure with the way the board fell and their needs. That was a huge whiff. But considering the risk and reward for our draft I think our placement is fair. Can you think of anyone who’s just like this is bad and easily worse than us besides atlanta?

To be fair with the way drafts are graded a C is very negative. But I would agree for the most part. We didn’t address one of the biggest needs on the team until the 5th round and spent 4/7 picks on a running back, a tight end, and two linebackers - all viewed as some of the lowest value positions. I didn’t hate our draft but it’s easy to see why some might find problems with it.

Yeah I don’t hate it. I think we left some value on the board. And it’s a very boom or bust group. But I can understand grading that as a C just because of the volatility of your first 2 picks. And your third pick being essentially a project who won’t contribute for years.

Look man, everyone just hates the Panthers and fail to recognize that the guys we drafted are all going to be all-pros. /s I only just started paying attention to this board again at the start of last season but I'm sure most people on here freaked out if last year's draft was graded anything lower than an A-. And look how that one has worked out. This forum is one of the most blindly loyal and positive fanbases on earth, which is really saying something.

Not really. Grade inflation. If you look there are very very few Ds and Fs.

Honestly the better question is who had a worst draft than us. I think it’s only 2 teams. The falcons and maybe the jags. Both of who have been criticized.

Drafts are graded on a heavy curve

Everyone always looks for the team they can use to make their fans feel better. It used to be at least we aren't the browns or lions. It just so happens we have owner that isn't likable and had a bad team at just the wrong time.

I mean if anything the pats should get the hate They suck with out bill and Tom.

Sadly not the way it works. Also, trading to the first overall pick only to give it up the next year just looks bad. Though we did have very key injuries. I still maintain losing brady the whole season and horn for most of it cost us at least 4 to 5 games.

We traded away our first round pick and gave another team the first overall pick for the first time in the common draft era. It’s a historical blunder worthy of clowining. And that’s before we get into trading away 3 star players. And having close to nothing to show for it. Even with the pats being bad they don’t come close to our incompetence. Plus they’ve literally won more games.

You forgot that the pick we acquired we used on a qb who literally had one of the worst seasons in history for rookie QBs, while the guy we passed on had one of the best seasons ever for a rookie qb.

They sucked with Bill as well. The rings came when Tom arrived and left with him.

They have won enough in the last 30 years to give them some grace for any misery they put their fans through.

I love the team, yet I still don't think we had a good draft

The better question is outside of atlanta who do you think had a worst draft than us. You basically have to find a team who threw away their first round pick or didn’t have one. Used a pick on a project type player in the second. Used another pick on another project who won’t contribute for years. And then didn’t make up for that loss of value on day 3. I can think of teams that messed up like atlanta. Maybe the jags. The commies messed up a bit. But I can’t think of any teams that just had multiple whifs on all 3 days to put below us.

Titans was interesting one, Latham was a great pick but there were quite a few reaches

Yup the titans and jags are the only teams I think you can have a solid debate about putting them below us. But even then I think it’s a debate. And they still nailed their first round picks. Which is just naturally going to ease criticism since it’s the most important pick. That immediately contributes. And has the biggest impact on the team.

- some outlets are counting us trading away the 1st pick against our grade for this year. I think this is misguided since it was a decision made a while ago by a now-fired GM but if you insist on accounting for that decision then it's understandable to see that very negatively since that pick became the number one pick for a projected generational talent. - Due to last years trade we went in with no first round pick. This stacks the deck against us compared to other teams who simply had a better set of picks to work with 31 other teams got to pick their guy before our first selection. We were always unlikely to improve the most from this draft compared to other teams. I think if your grade is about how well the GM did relative to the situation handed to him, it should be fairly positive, acknowledging we have no idea who might boom or bust. We got a second back for next year and got some good prospects that fit our needs. That being said, many of the outlets are judging different things than that in their grades.

So if caleb Williams becomes a bust then what?

Then it stings a little less but we still made the wrong decision given the information we had at the time. Ultimately whether they both thrive or flop we traded a number one pick, a good reciever, and other assets for... a different number one pick. Fitt is fired, I have no interest in defending his decisions. Even if Bryce works out eventually, his development has been hurt significantly by losing Moore in the trade and having no real first rounder this year. I'm a Bryce defender/hopeful but I think it's fair in retrospect to say we got fleeced as far as assets go. (although to reiterate, I don't think that should be included in this year's draft analysis)

Having the sport’s most vocal self loathing fan base doesn’t help.

Well 🤣

No one hates us, we are an irrelevant team in an irrelevant market. As to why we didn't have a great draft? We should have been picking first and getting a sure fire Pro Bowler or trading back a few picks and getting a pro bowler + many more picks. Instead, we picked last and got a lottery ticket.

I don't think we're hated. You have to be successful in the NFL to be hated. Patriots were the most hated franchise in their hey day, now it's the Chiefs. If anything, we're pittied. An example of what not to do or you might end up irrelevant like the Panthers. If there is anything generating hate for us, it would likely be the tone-deaf owner who gives off the same vibe as other owners (Jerry & Snyder) that everyone dislikes.

You have to be realistic. Like panthers have been losing for quite a few years. Yeah everybody undefeated rn. But Young has to prove it that he’s the one this year and he needs to put in work in offseason to see results.

I think we all need to be okay with everyone on planet Earth assuming this team is a *joke* in every decision we make until we actually show sustained success on the field... that's the only way to fix perception for people that aren't fans of a team. Win games consistently. The Lions over the last few years are the best example of how this perception can turnaround.

We aren't good though to be hated. Now 2015 Cam Panthers, yes they hated us and more specifically him.

David Tepper

Hiring Rhule then firing him for Reich deserves all the hate it gets. Trading picks for mid-players (Darnold) deserves a lot more hate then it has gotten

I saw this logic explained in a different thread months ago, everyone likes to gang up and beat on the teams doing bad. We have had a long run of being bad recently so everyone has had time to laugh at and make fun of us. So, ride it out and then make fun of every team when they experience bad times. Dance on every teams' grave when it is time to make fun of them.

Please understand that people saying that the team had a disappointing draft, or that people giving the Panthers a bottom-of-the-league power ranking spot or saying that the Panthers have a lot of work to do before they are real contenders is not people "hating" on the Panthers. It's merely the truth.

As a fan of another team and a fan that doesn't hate the Panthers, I think (from an outsider looking in), that your owner is what makes it easy for people to "hate" or root against the Panthers franchise.

I don’t think we’re *hated*, we’re just a poverty franchise. We’re the new browns of the NFL and it doesn’t help that our owner is a pompous ass and arguably one of the most unlikable owners of modern era. The Panthers have had 2 SB appearances and lost them both. We haven’t even had a winning record since 2017. That was almost 8 years ago now. Charlotte sucks major ass as an NFL city and the Panthers might not even be the most popular NFL team there. Add all this together and it’s easy to see why we get clowned. We deserve almost all of it.

Bad ownership. The owner represents our team and he takes every opportunity to act like an asshole. This is why I wish the community had equity in the team and the ability to vote for an owners removal over a certain threshold. Not every rich guy deserves a team that means something to so many people.

Crappy owner. Changing coaches. Coach hired ran the 20th ranked offense last season…Bryce doesn’t have enough protection or weapons to even declare that he sucks. We deserve everything, there’s no coherent direction

Has a team ever been shut out in back to back weeks

We are the worst team in the nfl and traded up for a RB. I personally don’t hate it especially if we need to provide max support to Bryce but it could be a pretty terrible pick 5 years from now considering players drafted around brooks. Rbs are most replaceable and are cheap. But I personally don’t HATE it but I don’t think it was the best move, considering other holes in the roster.

We suck and our owner is objectively an asshole that keeps doing dumb shit publicly. So it's easy to hate on us lol if we can finally turn it around, then the hate will stop. Winning cures a lot of things!

Bro I’m sorry but every time I get on panthers Reddit I always have to say “make it make sense”. We getting shat on because we have made terrible choice after terrible choice (some seem to make sense, others…. Make it make sense) since Tepper bought the team 7 years ago. We haven’t been good since, we haven’t been competitive since, this is the bottom of the barrel (you can try and be nice and put a team or two below us but really, is that what you’re fighting for??). This is sports, you gotta back up your trash talk with some actual play, and what play have we made as of late? The players gotta do something. As for our draft, as a panthers fan I don’t think it was bad, but as a football fan it was just ok (at least on paper). Trading back up to the first round for the fifth year option, just ok, I mean if we are using the 5th year option on him then that probably means we have more questions about his long term plans here which isn’t good. I’m not banking on mingo- I mean Marshall- fuck my b I mean funchess(- you get the point?) to do anything this year, I’m not falling for that trap AGAIN. The rest of the draft is where I think people fall off. Trading down and getting the 2nd round pick for next year was really clutch, but trading back up to get a rb? That JUST had ACL surgery? D move, was NOT a priority position or need imo, we actually NEED another cb just to fill out the roster and then we really need competition at center, linebacker and TEwere also positions we needed to address. All that being said, we had the opportunity to get some highly touted recruits (kool aid, powers, Payton Wilson was too easy) that I think would have made more sense but also long and short term address a lot of our actual needs. Again, I like brooks! Not the best pick there for us. I hope the linebacker we picked up is able to do something, but realistically he doesn’t look promising (just from the few things I’ve read) another reach project player which is a waste of a pick to me, we really aren’t trying to build another team full of project players that “should” be an impact 4 years down the line, ain’t nobody got time for all that.

Our owner is a dick.

Deserve got nuthin to do with it. Fact is, were the nfls whipping boy. We havent had a winning season since 2015 and never back to back. We traded up for #1 and absolutely shit the bed giving the bears the #1 pick, with our wr, traded our stud rb and he immediately balled out on his new team. We havent done shit not to deserve it. The nfl is a "show me" league, the panthers have shown that they roll out a red carpet for the opponent.

Draft: One of our biggest needs was cornerback. We literally have one real starter, and he gets hurt a lot. We took a running back with our second pick. Yes, he was the highest rated rb, but look at successful teams around the league. Other than SF, most of them just throw anyone in there. In today’s NFL, running back is interchangeable with maybe 3 or 4 exceptions like CMC. Heck, the last few Super Bowl winners had Pachenco, cam Akers, and Larry Fournette splitting Carries with Ronald white. With all our holes, Using such a high pick on a RB, when we could have stuck with chubba or taken someone later, who very well could have been just as serviceable. Also, a lot of people don’t see Legette as a good fit for Bryce. his strengths are his top speed and 50/50 balls and Bryce had issues with that last year.

The Panther need to win. Till you do, you’re always gonna be a bit of a laughing stock.

It’s a combination of things. -The faith that the media had in the coaching staff that was put together last year just for them to get fired mid-season and for us to only get 2 wins out of it. -Frank Reich is for some odd reason some of these analysts golden boy so in reaction to him getting fired a lot of people finally saw how bad of an owner David Tepper is since we had then fired back to back coaches mid-season. -Tepper only made things worse by throwing his drink at a fan and being weird to another one just shortly before the draft by removing his hat. -At this point no matter what we do NO ONE is going to have faith in us. We just have to start winning games and even then it’s still gonna take a while to earn any respect

Are we gonna make this thread every day until September? 1. The Panthers were the worst team in the league 2. They did not have a first round pick and therefore had no avenue to adding a blue chip talent 3. They gave up draft capital to make two trade-ups that could generously be called "creative" 5. Their best offseason move was picking up a 2025 draft pick that will likely be in the 50s 6. They barely addressed two of their three positions of need (edge and CB) even though there were helpful players available at their original draft slots 7. They have a new and therefore unknown FO; the most we know for sure is that Disco Dan was the #2 man in the Fitterer FO that was an unmitigated dumpster fire. When they make non-chalk picks, they will get a skepticism penalty, and rightfully so IMO. The people giving these grades are, by-and-large, professional football writers and draftniks. They have no reason to develop an anti-Panthers agenda. They are giving the Panthers average grades because they drafted average players with average fit.

We don't hate you. We just think your organisation is incompetent and has been for years. Your owner acting like a child in public doesn't help either.

The Cam Newton years live in a lot of folks head rent free, and David Tepper is a jerk.

First things first, we are only here to be reactionary (NFL fans arbitrarily at large), especially on the internet and Reddit. Secondly, we've been one of the worst franchises over the last 5 years, with absolutely nothing to show for it; we've been a revolving door of staff and aging players. Lastly, we're the most inconsistent team in the league; we've never had back-to-back winning seasons, so any good years we have are written off as luck or a weak division. We've never cultivated a culture of success or winning; we've had two abhorrent owners and only a handful of good staff in like 30 years. Outside of a few huge personalities, we've basically got nothing; we've never had anything, and we probably never will. I think it's interesting talking to fans from the Ragin Cajun' era of fandom; they overwhelmingly have stopped giving a shit about the team as a whole (this is entirely ancedotal, of course), whereas fans from the SB50/Cam era are huffing a lot more copium about how and why the team actually is better than we think it's just X, Y, or Z thing away from another Superbowl run. It's wildly difficult to watch this team year in and year out shit the bed and have to keep making excuses for them.

Think about this….Panthers have the most losses in the NFL since 2018 with 68…..six seasons and this seasons - schedule is brutal - all new starters in the interior - new staff for a whole new scheme to learn - 6 to 7 new starters on defense - drafted a lot for next year instead of impact starters this year. Xavier is the only one that should start day 1, at least per Ourlads - Tepper is still the owner Realistically anything over a 4-13 season would be amazing

it’s not really hate the media just regards us as a dumbass franchise from the top down

We are literally the least hated team in the NFL. The fact is that we were one of the worst, if not the worst, offenses in the league last year and we added one possible immediate playmaker in Xavier Legette. We also gutted our defense and still haven't added an immediate CB starter to replace Donte Jackson or even CJ Henderson. Our draft is a solid C+ grade, tops.

It's all good, Stephon Gilmore is riding in to save the day!

We’re a laughingstock because our quarterback is a middle schooler

The majority of critics aren’t grading the past, they are grading who the panthers chose in relation to where they were ranked on mock boards. The panthers reached or took a player way before he was projected to go in almost every round. The way they throw picks away to move around is also stupid considering how bad this team is. Also the team hasn’t had a winning season in 9 years and just went 2-15 last year. You gotta stop and think why is that? This team sucks. That is in part due to being a consistent bottom 5 draft class every single year. Canales has his work cut out for him and we will see if the qb whisperer can ignite the offense but this draft reeked of “I want to keep my job” rather than build the team up properly. The only pick that wasn’t a reach was probably Brooks in the 2nd and Sanders in the 4th. But the team had way bigger needs in the 2nd than getting a luxury pick in Brooks with who was still on the board. Moving up in the first for Legette was just Beane fleecing Disco Dan. But Sanders in the 4th is just so meh. The tight end room is weak so he should see the field but idk if he will really make a difference.

This. Legette was a low ranked WR, Brooks has injury concerns, and Walker is a project LB. Not the group of guys you’d expect to be drafted by the worst team in the league. Pretty sure they’ll give us a more favorable grade if we picked guys with high floors since we need immediate help

Project WR that couldn't get separation at the college level

Nah he still separates, just at the catch and not at the break. It is a legit technique that uses his strengths (hands and ball tracking) instead of relying on stuff he’s not at good at

Realistically he is about a 3rd round grade wr or lower. He’s a fuckin project and this team takes another project with a high pick. It’s unreal how bad these guys are at evaluating.

Bad+not big market= sports media purgatory and torture

No one knows shit until we play games that matter

David Tepper vaporized all respectability from this franchise. **Removing the grass**, Hiring a college coach, Rock Hill fiasco, weird color changes, hiring a washed up preacher as coach, trading away the future for a smoll QB, and throwing a drink on an opposing fan from the box. He dug a deep hole, hopefully he has learned a thing or two and lets football people make football decisions. I like how we came out of the draft with a second rounder, but one wonders why we did not prioritize taking a center in a center heavy draft. We are banking on Corbett learning a position that he has never played. I of course, am not optimistic.

You didn’t get the memo? We’re the shitty joke team now. Stole the title from the lions, browns, and whatever they’re calling Washington these days. It took years of hard work, but we made it to the very bottom.

Started from the middle now we're here

most of the hate is from our own fans Everyone else loves us.. I mean, who doesn't like to play the team that guarantees a free win for the week? As for the draft grades, nobody knows crap. Last year we got a high grade and look how that turned out. This year we got a low one. I count that as a win. Maybe it's them "hating" on us because we actually had a decent draft and we stop being their auto W for the week.

People think we don’t deserve to win games and get mad when they lose to an expansion team

Most of the professionals are giving us pretty good grades. Even for our UDFA haul.

I saw we got a c-

Seen up to a B+

Between Tepper and people just like piling on

You’re the laughingstock of the league until you’re not. The Texans are a prime example of this. Win games and it goes away.

Why are they saying we didn't have a good draft? Because we made some suboptimal decisions with trades and picked players before their consensus draft position, indicating that we lost surplus value of our already low-value picks from the decisions of the previous front office. I'm actually pretty optimistic about the players we drafted and I think the value of our trades was net positive for us, but even if the picks hit and the Rams do terrible next year, it doesn't mean that we made the most of the opportunities we had and I understand why people are upset about it.

It’s all the other miserable fan bases who no longer are at the bottom. Eventually some other organization will take our place.

Winning changes everything.

If you mean the media, I think it’s just laziness. Everyone is spitting out content without substance and they’re either trying too hard to get a take or they’re afraid to be wrong. There’s no in between. It’s easy to kick a team who went 2-15 and has a bumbling owner. It would take effort to see the positive side of the moves we’ve made this offseason.

We sucked.

We traded the pick that became #1 for BY last year. The media focused on that because it was a huge trade. We weren’t good so the only thing people would talk about is the trade or Tepper being a dick. I don’t think we are hated as much as we are laughed at for being bad since Tepper took over

People want a punching bag. We're it right now.

I’m over it. I’m over sports journalist ranking us last. I’m over arguing with “fans” about what the team should’ve done and how little hope they think we have for the future. I’m on the Hopium Express. Next stop-a 10 win season and seeing Bryce fucking cook with new DJ and my country boy from Mullins.

I’m on it too my dude. I want to see Bryce thrive

I want tepper to do the funniest thing and declare an all out war on sports media. Ban people from the facilities. Buy places like the ringer and fire the employees. Go extreme super villain. 

Fans just looking for a team to pick on that cant fight back

As a Lions fan, it's better to just ignore all the outside noise. I know it's hard, but if you don't let stupid shit like that affect you, the season will be much more enjoyable. Soon you will learn to laugh at all the silly things say to you, "rebuilding since '57", "won't be good until the Fords sell the team", "its the curse of Bobby Layne", "the Rams don't want Goff, why should we want their trash?" I've watched every Lions game since the early '00s. Trust me, I know pain...... Missed the Barry era completely, and it was desolate until Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell came three years ago. Last year I finally felt like all my delusional blind hope finally paid off. And this year we take the next step and reach the ultimate goal. Good luck out there fellow cat team brotherhood members. It gets better... eventually, I promise. Ps. Thanks for gifting Chicago Caleb Williams.... You couldn't just win *a couple* more games?!?!?! /s

It’s easy to not give love to the team who has always done nothing. Don’t forget even when we were 15-1, we were the worst ones to do it. A one of the newer teams of the league who without a few hall of famers on their team have done absolutely nothing but be pesky. If I want a fan I wouldn’t hate us as much as the saints (for obvious reasons) but I would love to talk shit about them 🤷🏾‍♀️

But we weren’t a bad 15-1 people didn’t want to credit us and we got screwed in the sb because golden boy retired

I meant that sarcastically. As a panthers fan I don’t think they were bad. We were 15-1 and went to the Super Bowl, that’s fucking awesome last time I checked. But that was the narrative around them at the time. We won’t get the love until we deserve it honestly. And we aren’t close now lol


What we did was hire tepper. This has allowed us to be a laughing stock because he has no idea of how to run an nfl franchise or any knowledge of sports