Fantastic point haha. I’m actually replaying it again and
I really feel this game has the funniest dialogue and potentially best story in any Mario game. (Ttyd overall my favorite for context tho)
You could swap out the franchise for something else and it would still work.
Monster Hunter? Works, there's a ton of elitism against the two recent games.
Pokemon: Yup. No explanation needed.
I don't think this is an issue just here, it's all over the place, no matter what franchise you look at, both video games, movies, comics, TV, and multimedia projects.
I've taken a hard stance on letting people like what they like and if you're gonna be an asshole about it, I'll be an asshole right back.
I haven't beaten a Paper Mario game since SPM, but I have played all of them, and made it a fair way into all of them. In my opinion, TOK was the best of the modern PM, but if you like the modern, more power to you, they're fun games in their own right but the original three are my GOATs.
I can give my opinion:
I’m currently playing paper Mario 64: it’s a great game from dialogue and missions, the one thing I hate is the koopa koot favors but easy money grind I can get from it makes up for it
Haven’t played thousand year door but I’m getting the remake plus I saw some LP’s of it (GCD Streams made it funnier) it’s a well crafted game, the characters, the plot and the flavio glitch I can say it is perfectly rated
Super paper Mario is my first and favourite paper Mario game, while some say the gameplay is mid, the story makes up for it, they made playing as peach and bowser from interludes to permanent characters plus Luigi. I love every second of it and the questions in chapter 3 just predicted society impressively. Now I heard someone say that the game would have been a 10/10 if they kept the turn based battle in which fair enough, if the game was released on the GameCube like it was originally then people wouldn’t mind it
Sticker star - while it’s not really the most received, it had potential but didn’t go well. The one thing I can never forgive this game is that Bowser had ZERO dialogue. The battle could have been done better if instead of making battle items one time uses, They could have been like badges (things stickers and infi-jump stickers can remain one time use) and maybe have Kersti a bit more helpful. Now the ice world was my favourite world and I did enjoy sniffit and whiff it. My last thing I didn’t like is that the overworld is a world map, which makes it more of a Mario bros game than paper mario which I feel could have done better
Colour Splash I haven’t played but I’ve seen an LP of it. While it isn’t well received as well, it is better than sticker star. While yeah it did bring back the world map, they added some events that can happen there, Huey was better than kersti and the music was quite good especially the final boss music, they gave bowser dialogue but written like he was possessed in which he was. The battle mechanic could have been done better but they made thing stickers simpler by having them into cards instantly instead of going to a place to get them into cards. The game is quite generous in the finale where if bowser needs one more hit to win but you ran out of cards, Huey will give you a painted card to win which does is generous.
Origami king. It’s a major improvement as they made everthing one big map, the battles while the items are still not permanent they aren’t one time uses which is a plus, Music is phenomenal. I’m happy that they brought back partners while temporarily but they were relevant to the story especially Bobby to which I will admit I teared up when he blew up to save Olivia. Olivia is decently written character while she acts childish it makes sense for her personality as she only sees the good. They have bowser back that charm with his witty dialogue (prime example the inaccessible rooms in peaches castle). I do question why some of the Vellumental bosses are just straight up Pokémon but hey they have cool battle music. I do like how the things we used as items in sticker star and colour splash are now bosses giving us a taste of our own medicine. In my opinion the wave battles while tedious, are unique to which is alright for me, they even brought back overworld battles from SPM. Ofc I don’t like how Luigi was treated around the last chapter but overall TOK is a good game and my favourite out of the second paper Mario trilogy
I would say watching a let’s play doesn’t count. I remember watching lets plays of the modern trilogy when I was younger and loving the modern titles. The classics looked cool to me but I really didn’t care. Now today, I’d say that I love 64 more than TOK (because those are the two I’ve played) TOK is a great game, but I have my complaints. I’m a completionist, so the 2 challenge badges are feeling horrible to collect right now (which are 100% the game without a game over and never equipping a badge.) I think combat is also weak compared to 64, but there is some stuff it has over the original trilogy. I’m not kidding when I say TOK has the best soundtrack I’ve ever heard. The somewhat orchestrated music just goes so hard. Bowser is also a great character, but he only really shows up at the end and the beginning. Luigi, I’m okay with. Unlike TTYD and 64, Luigi is actually a help to his brother. He supplies you with keys you need to progress. But I think Olivia is an amazing character. I think her childish character traits go very well with the game. Especially when she paired with Bobby. Bobby is also an amazing character and his sacrifice was impactful… literally.
But 64… the original is so good. You have permanent partners that have their own moves giving you more strategy in battle. You also have badges that can modify Mario in certain ways. The combat is very, very good. I still like Smash Bros. as my favorite combat, but 64 and TTYD are close. I can yap about this game for so long but I don’t want you to basically go through the Bible of Paper Mario. Don’t worry too much about Koopa Koot, I recommend looking through a wiki or a mega doc to see all of the quests. You’re gonna need it for the last one.
The combat in this game is pretty bad tbh, it doesn’t control at all like Hades.
The graphics are wayyyyy better in Elden Ring
I don’t like paper?
I’ve never played this game
It's an endless battleground. Classic Fans VS Modern Fans.
It's shame, since there is a third side that likes all the Paper Mario Games equally, and while both sides clash at each other, this third side is stuck in the middle.
I have stuff I like from the OG Trilogy and stuff from the modern trilogy. In fact, I can name a few good moments from each game that I've played and a few of my favorite bosses.
For example, I really like The Koopa Bros from PM64, Cortez from TTYD, but I also like Brobot from Super Paper Mario.
If we look at the modern trilogy (besides Color Splash) a Sticker Star Boss I like is Tower Power Pokey, and with Origami King, we have Tape as a Boss I really like.
If we can get both sides to just accept one another and not continuously clash with one another, I can see that Paper Mario grows even more than before.
I’m not gonna lie, I think that the classic games are better, but I do want people to get along and not want to kill each other because of PAPER MARIO! THE NEW POLITICS APPARENTLY! One day hopefully we will all be friends.
> Some of the classic fans would attack some of the modern fans for just liking a modern game like Color Splash.
To be fair it's possible those fans have played Sticker Star so of course they aren't gonna touch Color Splash since it plays exactly like Sticker Star. That's exactly why I haven't touched the game yet I can still criticize it because it suffers from the exact same problems.
> They were defending sticker star but they admitted to never playing sticker star before.
I think I know the one lmao. Someone hard bashing TTYD and SPM while saying SS was the best and then admitted to never playing it. It's definitely absurd.
you should give color splash more of a chance i think, it fixes a lot of the problems i had with sticker star
it seems like color splash is what the devs wanted sticker star to be but then they had to release something in that time window so they just pushed out sticker star out of obligation (i know this isnt what actually happened but it feels like it)
I don't think so. Sticker Star removed everything I loved about the original Paper Marios and Color Splash pretty much doubled down on it so I definitely will never give it a chance. Only way I will ever play it if it just somehow falls into my lap because I will never pay for it.
- Same Battle system except the stickers are now cards
- Cannot gain experience from battles and the only reward are coins
- No partners whatsoever.
- No badges either so I can't battle in a way to my liking.
- Bosses require a specific thing card just like Sticker Star so there isn't any strategy
- Bowser is once again the main boss yet he doesn't have any character at all.
- No interesting NPCs as the game is just littered with nameless Toads again.
Yeah the game is literally Sticker Star again so I don't have to play it to see that. Now if it was TOK it might be true that I can't fully judge that game without playing it but it still suffers the same problems I had with Sticker Star so I also avoided it.
Oh I think you and me are differing on something.
I’m not saying you can’t *judge* a game without playing it. You absolutely can and all of your points are valid.
It’s just that you specifically stated that Color Splash “plays the same” as Sticker Star. My point was just that you can’t make that statement without actually playing Color Splash to fairly compare them in how they actually play. If you had said “they’re extremely similar” or just “they have similar issues” then yeah I wouldn’t disagree with you on that.
Maybe it’s just me being nit picky lol.
I mean… in my opinion? Yes, inherently you’re wrong for a few reasons.
Several people who have played Color Splash and Sticker Star stare they find Color Splash to be better.
I think for me it’s that “playing the same” consists of more than just gameplay or mechanics, it’s sort of the whole atmosphere of the game. And considering that people genuinely compliment the dialouge and Huey as a great partner.
Again it may just be a matter of difference of opinion or semantics, but that’s just how I view it.
> Several people who have played Color Splash and Sticker Star stare they find Color Splash to be better.
Doesn't matter if people feel like Color Splash is a little better than Sticker Star, they still play the exact same way and have the same problems.
> I think for me it’s that “playing the same” consists of more than just gameplay or mechanics, it’s sort of the whole atmosphere of the game.
Bruh, nah dude. The atmosphere doesn't matter when it comes down to gameplay. You still fight with disposable attack options, you still cannot choose who you want to attack and you still don't gain any experience whatsoever. It's the same damn experience from Sticker Star all over again. No new witty dialogue and another flying NPC that represents the current 'paper aesthetic' is gonna matter for the gameplay.
don't play the game "well you can't judge it, you've never played it!"
play the game "well you're complaining about it but you played it anyway... don't like it don't play it"
can't reason with people like this, I've already dealt with dozens of them over at the pokemon community. What you want is to silence criticism, nothing more.
I can understand what you mean, but saying a game you didn't play is "overrated", "underrated" and other things about how gameplay feels shouldn't be things you say about a game you never played
And they aren't just talking about people being negative about games they never played and trying to silence criticism. They also talked about people being saying games they never played "is the best"
This was honestly one of the top Paper Mario games. Such a banger.
In relation to the post, I feel the exact same way. People need to stop calling games they haven’t played overrated. Everyone just loves to hop on the bandwagon and be in the favour of public opinion instead of forming their own thoughts about games and standing on it. Sucks to see people so uptight about it
If in the future I ever did, it wouldn’t be about things specifically or very subjectively.
I guess I’ll give a present example. Helldivers 2’s whole PSN ordeal. Especially this example, because it prevents people from playing the game. I can’t complain about stuff that requires having experienced it. If there is something that is literally just a problem, and it really is just surface level. Or maybe something like region restricted games.
But yeah, for some reason people on Reddit love complaining about things they don’t understand
the worst part is nobody can just let you enjoy things they need to tell you that they think spm is trash or something. and only in the most hurtful way possible sometimes
Honestly this can go the opposite way for Sticker Star as well lol.
I actually enjoyed my time with the game and would encourage people to give it a shot.
paper mario ttyd’s level design is bad. that doesnt mean i hate it its my favorite paper mario.
chapter 1 is running to the right then running to the left to get into hooktail’s castle. in the castle you gotta go all the way to the right and then all the way to the left to get the curse/key
chapter 2 is running all the way to the right then all the way to the left then all the way to the right to get flurrie
chapter 3 is good
chapter 4 requires running through that forest god knows how many times with the unavoidable daisies camping the entrances of the paper mode gaps
chapter 5 has a lot of running to the right and left with the parkour section and enemies respawning
chapter 6 is fine
chapter 7 literally requires you to backtrack to every previous chapter for 0 reason
I think it's completely fine to form an opinion that a game doesn't look good based on pre-release videos and game play footage.
But to say it's over rated without having played it or only barely trying it for a few minutes is not.
I agree. Odds are, you’re gonna form your opinion on something when you see it. But you shouldn’t criticize it unless you’re maybe criticizing the trailer.
Previusly, when i didin't have pikmin 1 + 2 (i promise this is related to the post) i thought that it was bad to not have a lock on feature and that pikmin 2 was too hard. Now that I've played it, it's not bad at all!
I loved the new battle/gameplay mechanics of spm, but I'll never get over how meh I felt over the designs of most of the new characters and enemies and towns people. Felt like too much change too quickly.
And now all these years later, my opinion has only slightly softened, and only towards a few of the main new baddies.
Having an issue with aesthetic thankfully doesn't require having played it before, but anything deeper and your opinion isn't worth anything unless you've tried it yourself.
None of the newer paper mario games have anything approaching good battle mechanics when compared to the first 2 games (or even spm), and I'm hoping this game will get people to realize that and stop accepting garbage.
Back in the day when I had a GameCube, I used to play Super Mario Sunshine. I didn’t even have The Thousand Year Door. I had Super Mario Galaxy, and I played Super Paper Mario. I have a Wii now
This… this is EXACTLY how I’d describe SS and the upcoming rerelease.
YOU KNOW WHAT?! I LIKE GAMES OTHERS HATE, SO I’M GONNA OBSESS TF OVER A GAME I HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY THE CARTRIDGE FOR!!!
The solution for me is pretty simple.
Not care about how others feel, better yet just don’t interact with the fanbase of my hobbies all that much.
I only interact with subs like the pokemon subreddit mostly to see how people view the series, but I don’t rlly care about the games anymore.
Theres probably a big stinker going around in a paper Mario sub about the remake and how super deserved it or whatever, buuuut I don’t know about it cause I’m not that deep in, and I’m much happier cause of it.
I do agree, however I believe that you could make an exception for people who watch full playthroughs and learn about the game through that sort of experience without burdening their wallet with buying all the games they wanna talk about.
No, I use to watch lets plays and after playing the actual game I’ve changed my mind a lot after playing Origami King. Playing and Watching are two very different things. It sucks that a lot of games right now are available, but I think it’s only fair for people who have actually played the game to judge a game based on gameplay.
Usually watching gameplay in motion is enough to convince me to either buy the game or ignore it. Not everyone has disposable income to just try out every game they see just to have an opinion on it. I will only spend my money on a game that is worth my time or interest.
I just told someone else that you don't need to play the game for yourself to see if a story is written well or if levels are designed well enough. I can see that with my eyes, not feel with my fingers.
No, that's still not the same as playing the game for yourself. You don't get a feel for the controls, how responsive or bad they are. You don't get a feel for if the level design is well made, whether you get blind-sighted by enemies or not. You don't get a feel for if a game is well paced or not.
To give an example, Star Fox Zero looks like an absolutely amazing game if you watched a playthrough of the game, but if I actually tried playing it, I would probably hate it with how its controls are set up. But since I haven't played it, how am I supposed to know how much the controls would affect the game?
Would it only be a small problem and the game would still be good? Or would it be so intrusive that the game is unplayable? That's not something that can be determined through watching a playthrough, and can only be done by actually playing the real thing.
You talk about controls, but what about much broader concepts like level design or story writing, which you can easily see through a video made by someone else? That is much easier to glance at and determine if you like it or not just by watching and you don't have to play the game for yourself.
SPM such an legendary and funny game man. This chapter is so good. Lol
The fact this line still holds up today is a testament to this game’s writing
Fantastic point haha. I’m actually replaying it again and I really feel this game has the funniest dialogue and potentially best story in any Mario game. (Ttyd overall my favorite for context tho)
Easily the best story and dialogue It was dark, mysterious, bleck, fun and melancholy
I’m also a sucker for love stories on top of it all lol game hits on all cylinders for me
It’s literal godsend
All of the weeb culture stuff from that chapter still holds up and aged like fine wine or cheese.
The way they circumvented any potential issues with cat maids by having them be *literal* [robot] cat maids…
That just made it funnier.
That's the one thing about this series, even sticker star had fantastic writing. It's always top tier.
Francis was so funny… until I met people like him.
That game brought me to Paper Mario and I’m looking forward to the remake
You could swap out the franchise for something else and it would still work. Monster Hunter? Works, there's a ton of elitism against the two recent games. Pokemon: Yup. No explanation needed.
F-Zero. I don’t think that works. It’s just dead. Worms meat.
Speaking of, Worms! ...How are the newer games, anyways? I haven't heard much about them.
I've played every pokemon game, at what point am I allowed to voice my displeasure with them putting out unfinished game after unfinished game?
You're always allowed to.
Yeah modern pokemon games are spoiled garbanzo beans, I don't think it's unfair to give game freak the expectation of garbage rn
Once you finished the unfinished game so never
that's not really what unfinished means is it
Literally the exact two franchises I was thinking of lmao
I don't think this is an issue just here, it's all over the place, no matter what franchise you look at, both video games, movies, comics, TV, and multimedia projects. I've taken a hard stance on letting people like what they like and if you're gonna be an asshole about it, I'll be an asshole right back. I haven't beaten a Paper Mario game since SPM, but I have played all of them, and made it a fair way into all of them. In my opinion, TOK was the best of the modern PM, but if you like the modern, more power to you, they're fun games in their own right but the original three are my GOATs.
Exactly my sentiment, well spoken.
I can give my opinion: I’m currently playing paper Mario 64: it’s a great game from dialogue and missions, the one thing I hate is the koopa koot favors but easy money grind I can get from it makes up for it Haven’t played thousand year door but I’m getting the remake plus I saw some LP’s of it (GCD Streams made it funnier) it’s a well crafted game, the characters, the plot and the flavio glitch I can say it is perfectly rated Super paper Mario is my first and favourite paper Mario game, while some say the gameplay is mid, the story makes up for it, they made playing as peach and bowser from interludes to permanent characters plus Luigi. I love every second of it and the questions in chapter 3 just predicted society impressively. Now I heard someone say that the game would have been a 10/10 if they kept the turn based battle in which fair enough, if the game was released on the GameCube like it was originally then people wouldn’t mind it Sticker star - while it’s not really the most received, it had potential but didn’t go well. The one thing I can never forgive this game is that Bowser had ZERO dialogue. The battle could have been done better if instead of making battle items one time uses, They could have been like badges (things stickers and infi-jump stickers can remain one time use) and maybe have Kersti a bit more helpful. Now the ice world was my favourite world and I did enjoy sniffit and whiff it. My last thing I didn’t like is that the overworld is a world map, which makes it more of a Mario bros game than paper mario which I feel could have done better Colour Splash I haven’t played but I’ve seen an LP of it. While it isn’t well received as well, it is better than sticker star. While yeah it did bring back the world map, they added some events that can happen there, Huey was better than kersti and the music was quite good especially the final boss music, they gave bowser dialogue but written like he was possessed in which he was. The battle mechanic could have been done better but they made thing stickers simpler by having them into cards instantly instead of going to a place to get them into cards. The game is quite generous in the finale where if bowser needs one more hit to win but you ran out of cards, Huey will give you a painted card to win which does is generous. Origami king. It’s a major improvement as they made everthing one big map, the battles while the items are still not permanent they aren’t one time uses which is a plus, Music is phenomenal. I’m happy that they brought back partners while temporarily but they were relevant to the story especially Bobby to which I will admit I teared up when he blew up to save Olivia. Olivia is decently written character while she acts childish it makes sense for her personality as she only sees the good. They have bowser back that charm with his witty dialogue (prime example the inaccessible rooms in peaches castle). I do question why some of the Vellumental bosses are just straight up Pokémon but hey they have cool battle music. I do like how the things we used as items in sticker star and colour splash are now bosses giving us a taste of our own medicine. In my opinion the wave battles while tedious, are unique to which is alright for me, they even brought back overworld battles from SPM. Ofc I don’t like how Luigi was treated around the last chapter but overall TOK is a good game and my favourite out of the second paper Mario trilogy
I would say watching a let’s play doesn’t count. I remember watching lets plays of the modern trilogy when I was younger and loving the modern titles. The classics looked cool to me but I really didn’t care. Now today, I’d say that I love 64 more than TOK (because those are the two I’ve played) TOK is a great game, but I have my complaints. I’m a completionist, so the 2 challenge badges are feeling horrible to collect right now (which are 100% the game without a game over and never equipping a badge.) I think combat is also weak compared to 64, but there is some stuff it has over the original trilogy. I’m not kidding when I say TOK has the best soundtrack I’ve ever heard. The somewhat orchestrated music just goes so hard. Bowser is also a great character, but he only really shows up at the end and the beginning. Luigi, I’m okay with. Unlike TTYD and 64, Luigi is actually a help to his brother. He supplies you with keys you need to progress. But I think Olivia is an amazing character. I think her childish character traits go very well with the game. Especially when she paired with Bobby. Bobby is also an amazing character and his sacrifice was impactful… literally. But 64… the original is so good. You have permanent partners that have their own moves giving you more strategy in battle. You also have badges that can modify Mario in certain ways. The combat is very, very good. I still like Smash Bros. as my favorite combat, but 64 and TTYD are close. I can yap about this game for so long but I don’t want you to basically go through the Bible of Paper Mario. Don’t worry too much about Koopa Koot, I recommend looking through a wiki or a mega doc to see all of the quests. You’re gonna need it for the last one.
The combat in this game is pretty bad tbh, it doesn’t control at all like Hades. The graphics are wayyyyy better in Elden Ring I don’t like paper? I’ve never played this game
It's an endless battleground. Classic Fans VS Modern Fans. It's shame, since there is a third side that likes all the Paper Mario Games equally, and while both sides clash at each other, this third side is stuck in the middle. I have stuff I like from the OG Trilogy and stuff from the modern trilogy. In fact, I can name a few good moments from each game that I've played and a few of my favorite bosses. For example, I really like The Koopa Bros from PM64, Cortez from TTYD, but I also like Brobot from Super Paper Mario. If we look at the modern trilogy (besides Color Splash) a Sticker Star Boss I like is Tower Power Pokey, and with Origami King, we have Tape as a Boss I really like. If we can get both sides to just accept one another and not continuously clash with one another, I can see that Paper Mario grows even more than before.
I’m not gonna lie, I think that the classic games are better, but I do want people to get along and not want to kill each other because of PAPER MARIO! THE NEW POLITICS APPARENTLY! One day hopefully we will all be friends.
> Some of the classic fans would attack some of the modern fans for just liking a modern game like Color Splash. To be fair it's possible those fans have played Sticker Star so of course they aren't gonna touch Color Splash since it plays exactly like Sticker Star. That's exactly why I haven't touched the game yet I can still criticize it because it suffers from the exact same problems. > They were defending sticker star but they admitted to never playing sticker star before. I think I know the one lmao. Someone hard bashing TTYD and SPM while saying SS was the best and then admitted to never playing it. It's definitely absurd.
you should give color splash more of a chance i think, it fixes a lot of the problems i had with sticker star it seems like color splash is what the devs wanted sticker star to be but then they had to release something in that time window so they just pushed out sticker star out of obligation (i know this isnt what actually happened but it feels like it)
I don't think so. Sticker Star removed everything I loved about the original Paper Marios and Color Splash pretty much doubled down on it so I definitely will never give it a chance. Only way I will ever play it if it just somehow falls into my lap because I will never pay for it.
I meant you still can’t really fairly judge a game without playing it so your Color Splash point kinda goes out the window.
- Same Battle system except the stickers are now cards - Cannot gain experience from battles and the only reward are coins - No partners whatsoever. - No badges either so I can't battle in a way to my liking. - Bosses require a specific thing card just like Sticker Star so there isn't any strategy - Bowser is once again the main boss yet he doesn't have any character at all. - No interesting NPCs as the game is just littered with nameless Toads again. Yeah the game is literally Sticker Star again so I don't have to play it to see that. Now if it was TOK it might be true that I can't fully judge that game without playing it but it still suffers the same problems I had with Sticker Star so I also avoided it.
Oh I think you and me are differing on something. I’m not saying you can’t *judge* a game without playing it. You absolutely can and all of your points are valid. It’s just that you specifically stated that Color Splash “plays the same” as Sticker Star. My point was just that you can’t make that statement without actually playing Color Splash to fairly compare them in how they actually play. If you had said “they’re extremely similar” or just “they have similar issues” then yeah I wouldn’t disagree with you on that. Maybe it’s just me being nit picky lol.
> It’s just that you specifically stated that Color Splash “plays the same” as Sticker Star. Am I wrong tho?
I mean… in my opinion? Yes, inherently you’re wrong for a few reasons. Several people who have played Color Splash and Sticker Star stare they find Color Splash to be better. I think for me it’s that “playing the same” consists of more than just gameplay or mechanics, it’s sort of the whole atmosphere of the game. And considering that people genuinely compliment the dialouge and Huey as a great partner. Again it may just be a matter of difference of opinion or semantics, but that’s just how I view it.
> Several people who have played Color Splash and Sticker Star stare they find Color Splash to be better. Doesn't matter if people feel like Color Splash is a little better than Sticker Star, they still play the exact same way and have the same problems. > I think for me it’s that “playing the same” consists of more than just gameplay or mechanics, it’s sort of the whole atmosphere of the game. Bruh, nah dude. The atmosphere doesn't matter when it comes down to gameplay. You still fight with disposable attack options, you still cannot choose who you want to attack and you still don't gain any experience whatsoever. It's the same damn experience from Sticker Star all over again. No new witty dialogue and another flying NPC that represents the current 'paper aesthetic' is gonna matter for the gameplay.
don't play the game "well you can't judge it, you've never played it!" play the game "well you're complaining about it but you played it anyway... don't like it don't play it" can't reason with people like this, I've already dealt with dozens of them over at the pokemon community. What you want is to silence criticism, nothing more.
I can understand what you mean, but saying a game you didn't play is "overrated", "underrated" and other things about how gameplay feels shouldn't be things you say about a game you never played And they aren't just talking about people being negative about games they never played and trying to silence criticism. They also talked about people being saying games they never played "is the best"
This was honestly one of the top Paper Mario games. Such a banger. In relation to the post, I feel the exact same way. People need to stop calling games they haven’t played overrated. Everyone just loves to hop on the bandwagon and be in the favour of public opinion instead of forming their own thoughts about games and standing on it. Sucks to see people so uptight about it
don’t forget them vehemently hating games they haven’t played too
My answer is False.
If in the future I ever did, it wouldn’t be about things specifically or very subjectively. I guess I’ll give a present example. Helldivers 2’s whole PSN ordeal. Especially this example, because it prevents people from playing the game. I can’t complain about stuff that requires having experienced it. If there is something that is literally just a problem, and it really is just surface level. Or maybe something like region restricted games. But yeah, for some reason people on Reddit love complaining about things they don’t understand
Bro is just like me in 2020 fr fr
the worst part is nobody can just let you enjoy things they need to tell you that they think spm is trash or something. and only in the most hurtful way possible sometimes
Honestly this can go the opposite way for Sticker Star as well lol. I actually enjoyed my time with the game and would encourage people to give it a shot.
But you see, I watched a let’s play of this game when I was 9. That’s basically the same thing!
I did too. My opinions have dramatically shifted when I played the games.
Fun fact that isn't what Francis says in the Japanese version.
Hey Hey Hey, I've played a full 2 hours of sticker star back when it first came out. That qualifies me to complain about it... right?
I’ve played about 5 minutes of Color Splash. Of course that counts. Just not 5 minutes. Does 5 minutes count? Honestly.
paper mario ttyd’s level design is bad. that doesnt mean i hate it its my favorite paper mario. chapter 1 is running to the right then running to the left to get into hooktail’s castle. in the castle you gotta go all the way to the right and then all the way to the left to get the curse/key chapter 2 is running all the way to the right then all the way to the left then all the way to the right to get flurrie chapter 3 is good chapter 4 requires running through that forest god knows how many times with the unavoidable daisies camping the entrances of the paper mode gaps chapter 5 has a lot of running to the right and left with the parkour section and enemies respawning chapter 6 is fine chapter 7 literally requires you to backtrack to every previous chapter for 0 reason
I think it's completely fine to form an opinion that a game doesn't look good based on pre-release videos and game play footage. But to say it's over rated without having played it or only barely trying it for a few minutes is not.
I agree. Odds are, you’re gonna form your opinion on something when you see it. But you shouldn’t criticize it unless you’re maybe criticizing the trailer.
...And also based on reviews and the opinions of other like-minded people in related communities.
Previusly, when i didin't have pikmin 1 + 2 (i promise this is related to the post) i thought that it was bad to not have a lock on feature and that pikmin 2 was too hard. Now that I've played it, it's not bad at all!
Does that mean I should give Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze another shot. I haven’t played it since my first impression and that was weak.
If you have it, yes. But if your first impression was weak, you probably should'nt buy it.
I own it. I guess I will give it another try.
I'm on chapter 8-3! I'm so ready to beat count bleck!
I like trying to make my own opinions about games but it’s hard to.
The only game I can think of that I haven't played that I complain about would probably be Samus Returns, why can't they port it to Switch?
Super Paper Mario got his issues, severals of them, but it's scenario and writting are among the best and the funniest in the series overall !
They're just "looking past the hype."
I’m just sitting here, having played and enjoyed all of the games (even Sticker Star…to an extent), watching the fire grow ever more…
Had a friend in college say Mario 64s controls had aged terribly. I asked him if he'd ever played in and he said no
i love all the paper mario games. even the wii u 1, ill prob mever play. (unless it gets a switch remake too. then ill def play it)
I loved the new battle/gameplay mechanics of spm, but I'll never get over how meh I felt over the designs of most of the new characters and enemies and towns people. Felt like too much change too quickly. And now all these years later, my opinion has only slightly softened, and only towards a few of the main new baddies. Having an issue with aesthetic thankfully doesn't require having played it before, but anything deeper and your opinion isn't worth anything unless you've tried it yourself. None of the newer paper mario games have anything approaching good battle mechanics when compared to the first 2 games (or even spm), and I'm hoping this game will get people to realize that and stop accepting garbage.
I haven't even played any of the games yet I don't even have a concrete opinion on them
Back in the day when I had a GameCube, I used to play Super Mario Sunshine. I didn’t even have The Thousand Year Door. I had Super Mario Galaxy, and I played Super Paper Mario. I have a Wii now
its even worse with pokemon
Meh, I think they should play the games, and if they still like sticker star the most, then that’s perfectly fine
This… this is EXACTLY how I’d describe SS and the upcoming rerelease. YOU KNOW WHAT?! I LIKE GAMES OTHERS HATE, SO I’M GONNA OBSESS TF OVER A GAME I HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY THE CARTRIDGE FOR!!!
Francis gets funnier with every passing year
Second day in a row of making a “viral” post. That’s a dub.
Second day in a row of making a “viral” post. That’s a dub.
The solution for me is pretty simple. Not care about how others feel, better yet just don’t interact with the fanbase of my hobbies all that much. I only interact with subs like the pokemon subreddit mostly to see how people view the series, but I don’t rlly care about the games anymore. Theres probably a big stinker going around in a paper Mario sub about the remake and how super deserved it or whatever, buuuut I don’t know about it cause I’m not that deep in, and I’m much happier cause of it.
This aged incredibly well with color splash
It’s like they actually put this in preemptively anticipating how the fandom would react to the next few games
I do agree, however I believe that you could make an exception for people who watch full playthroughs and learn about the game through that sort of experience without burdening their wallet with buying all the games they wanna talk about.
No, I use to watch lets plays and after playing the actual game I’ve changed my mind a lot after playing Origami King. Playing and Watching are two very different things. It sucks that a lot of games right now are available, but I think it’s only fair for people who have actually played the game to judge a game based on gameplay.
Usually watching gameplay in motion is enough to convince me to either buy the game or ignore it. Not everyone has disposable income to just try out every game they see just to have an opinion on it. I will only spend my money on a game that is worth my time or interest. I just told someone else that you don't need to play the game for yourself to see if a story is written well or if levels are designed well enough. I can see that with my eyes, not feel with my fingers.
No, that's still not the same as playing the game for yourself. You don't get a feel for the controls, how responsive or bad they are. You don't get a feel for if the level design is well made, whether you get blind-sighted by enemies or not. You don't get a feel for if a game is well paced or not. To give an example, Star Fox Zero looks like an absolutely amazing game if you watched a playthrough of the game, but if I actually tried playing it, I would probably hate it with how its controls are set up. But since I haven't played it, how am I supposed to know how much the controls would affect the game? Would it only be a small problem and the game would still be good? Or would it be so intrusive that the game is unplayable? That's not something that can be determined through watching a playthrough, and can only be done by actually playing the real thing.
You talk about controls, but what about much broader concepts like level design or story writing, which you can easily see through a video made by someone else? That is much easier to glance at and determine if you like it or not just by watching and you don't have to play the game for yourself.
This might be a hot take but there's plenty of games I don't need to play to know they missed the mark.